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Phonak Spice

2010-09-01 14:06:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  sonor/zildjian
Thenew top of the line item that Phonak will dispatch on EUHA in October is called Spice...Roadshows in Germany beginning Sepember 20, CEU Course on October fifth. I haven't discovered any points of interest yet. Would someone be able to reveal to me more?

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jbender4 Originally Posted by DocAudio

In the event that it's in circumstances with foundation clamor exhibit the portable amplifier is no doubt in directional mode which decreases commotions from straightforwardly behind you and to the side. As you spouse moves towards the front of you she continuously moves into the "engaged range" and ends up noticeably discernable. Greatest discernability ought to be specifically before you.

Contingent upon which Naida you have, you might have the capacity to get a hyper-cardiod example or bi-directional example, the one above is cardiod. The higher tech level, the greater adaptability in polar examples you will have.

The way that you can have such an all around outlined case of how a directional amplifier functions is very cool. Clearly not for you...lol...

Much obliged to you for that delineation. It enable me to comprehend it better. I figure with my old guides, it was essentially "Hear everything", while I need to get use to the directional elements. I can comprehend the advantages & even hear it now, yet I'm trusting that it can be balanced a bit, since it is by all accounts somewhat extraordinary.

I have the Naida XI UP.

Guest Originally Posted by jbender4

In any case, I have one inquiry.. I see that when I'm in an uproarious domain (or slight clamor), I can't hear any voice talked behind me. For instance, I was at the shopping center and my significant other call for me when she was directly behind me and I couldn't hear her by any means. We did a few test with this and I just began hearing her as she move sideways from me. I've encounter a similar thing at work. I can hear extremely well with question before me and sideways, yet in the event that somebody gets back to for me from the, I'm lost.

I'm expected for my second change one week from now, yet needed to inquired as to whether this is ordinary with these Spice helps? I just have the auto program for the time being (need to get use to the Soundrecover, before including different projects). Once more, this issue appear to be busy's most exceedingly bad in a loud domain.

On the off chance that it's in circumstances with foundation commotion display the portable amplifier is in all probability in directional mode which decreases clamors from straightforwardly behind you and to the side. As you spouse moves towards the front of you she steadily moves into the "engaged range" and ends up noticeably discernable. Most extreme discernability ought to be specifically before you.

Contingent upon which Naida you have, you might have the capacity to get a hyper-cardiod example or bi-directional example, the one above is cardiod. The higher tech level, the greater adaptability in polar examples you will have.

The way that you can have such an all around represented case of how a directional amplifier functions is very cool. Clearly not for you...lol...

ylandra Mention it to your audi - I take note of that I have a few issues from behind, however not totally, and presumably to a great extent since I just have misfortune in one ear. I take note of that regardless I have issues hearing ladies' voices, yet we continue making changes, and will in the long run hit the nail on the head.

Initially Posted by jbender4

It has been seven days since I've begun wearing my Naida Spice helps. As yet getting use to every one of the sounds and generally speaking, I've been please with them.

In any case, I have one inquiry.. I see that when I'm in a boisterous situation (or slight commotion), I can't hear any voice talked behind me. For instance, I was at the shopping center and my significant other call for me when she was directly behind me and I couldn't hear her by any stretch of the imagination. We did a few test with this and I just began hearing her as she move sideways from me. I've encounter a similar thing at work. I can hear exceptionally well with question before me and sideways, however in the event that somebody gets back to for me from the, I'm lost.

I'm expected for my second change one week from now, however needed to inquired as to whether this is ordinary with these Spice helps? I just have the auto program until further notice (need to get use to the Soundrecover, before including different projects). Once more, this issue appear to be grinding away's most exceedingly awful in an uproarious domain.

jbender4 It has been seven days since I've begun wearing my Naida Spice helps. As yet getting use to every one of the sounds and in general, I've been please with them.

In any case, I have one inquiry.. I see that when I'm in a boisterous domain (or slight commotion), I can't hear any voice talked behind me. For instance, I was at the shopping center and my better half call for me when she was directly behind me and I couldn't hear her by any stretch of the imagination. We did a few test with this and I just began hearing her as she move sideways from me. I've encounter a similar thing at work. I can hear extremely well with question before me and sideways, yet in the event that somebody gets back to for me from the, I'm lost.

I'm expected for my second change one week from now, yet needed to inquired as to whether this is typical with these Spice helps? I just have the auto program until further notice (need to get use to the Soundrecover, before including different projects). Once more, this issue appear to be grinding away's most noticeably bad in a loud domain.

seb Razno,

Do you have a Dry n Store? If not I would get one, it dries out your HA on the off chance that they get wet. Other alternative is remove the HA's whether you will be sweating a ton, or make them hear Aid Sweat Bands, they work extraordinary at keeping HA dry from sweat, rain or snow.

ylandra That's precisely why I changed to a Naida. Truly however, portable hearing assistants have existed sufficiently long, and ALL have this issue - WHY don't the producers simply make them ALL water safe??

alpine1 Sweat is awful for Phonaks (and all guides obviously), when my V's have done what you depict they have should have been revamped by Phonak.

Initially Posted by Razno

One more inquiry.

I was doing some diligent work and there was a ton of sweat on my head. It begun to switch program all alone.

Presently on one guide program catch don't work at all and on another it at some point work at some point it don't . It was two days back, so it presumably wont dry out any more.

Is that catch on channel and the amount it cost to be supplanted?

Much obliged

Razno One more inquiry.

I was doing some diligent work and there was a ton of sweat on my head. It begun to switch program all alone.

Presently on one guide program catch don't work at all and on another it at some point work at some point it don't . It was two days prior, so it presumably wont dry out any more.

Is that catch on channel and the amount it cost to be supplanted?

Much appreciated

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

Gee.. Its Ceramic shrewd S9 and stick came out. What is changed? on case or on collector itself?

Its great to know how test collector.

Anyway, its not recipient. Its either chilly, or further ear harm on show or right guide goin insane. Mine "an" is part milder on right - not in adjust (low freq).

Ooo...never fit a Ceramic one so I don't know whether they are different...sorry.

On the off chance that it's not the reciever it might me be able to the mic. I question it would be a sudden drop in hearing...you would see it without the portable amplifier in moreover...

Could be/in all probability is dampness which may have made something in the portable amplifier short out. On the off chance that you turn it on tomorrow and it is by all accounts working and afterward removes once more, 99% shot that it's dampness.

Razno Originally Posted by DocAudio

Yes if it's a more established RIC. In the event that it's inside the previous year, the stick just pushes off to the side and the recipient should come right out...the stick doesn't come such a distance out however. Try not to need you to break it!!! Good fortunes!

Gee.. Its Ceramic keen S9 and stick came out. What is changed? on case or on recipient itself?

Its great to know how test collector.

Anyway, its not beneficiary. Its either frosty, or assist ear harm on show or right guide goin insane. Mine "an" is part milder on right - not in adjust (low freq).

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

Much appreciated.

I saw a video some place on phonak site. Evacuate stick and haul out.

Yes if it's a more seasoned RIC. On the off chance that it's inside the previous year, the stick just pushes off to the side and the recipient should come right out...the stick doesn't come such a distance out however. Try not to need you to break it!!! Good fortunes!

Razno Originally Posted by DocAudio

yes. do you know how to take them off???

Much appreciated.

I saw a video some place on phonak site. Evacuate stick and haul out.

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

Would i be able to test collectors on keen s by swaping left and right one?

yes. do you know how to take them off???

pbs Originally Posted by ylandra

I wish there was a "Like" catch.

My audi's a pleasant lady, yet she continues revealing to me I have unreasonable desires. On the off chance that hoping to not have an uproarious thundering murmur in my supported ear, or hoping to not have the sound pack down so far that I can't hear anybody talking in a swarmed room is implausible, at that point yes, I have improbable desires. I'm not expecting super spy lucidity, but rather truly...

Inquire as to whether she is hoping to be ponied up all required funds .............

Razno Can i test recipients on keen s by swaping left and right one?

ylandra Originally Posted by pbs

In the event that she did her occupation legitimately and stayed up with the latest, she wouldn't need to be told anything!!

I wish there was a "Like" catch.

My audi's a decent lady, yet she continues revealing to me I have doubtful desires. On the off chance that hoping to not have an uproarious thundering murmur in my supported ear, or hoping to not have the sound pack down so far that I can't hear anybody talking in a swarmed room is improbable, at that point yes, I have unlikely desires. I'm not expecting super spy clearness, but rather genuinely...

pbs Originally Posted by DaisyD

I realize that it will be discharged - however a few people like my Audie don't care for being told anything. Bit pitiful truly.

On the off chance that she did her employment appropriately and stayed up with the latest, she wouldn't need to be told anything!!

DaisyD Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

Obviously Target 2.0 will be discharged in Australia.

Is there any valid reason why it wouldn't be?

I realize that it will be discharged - however a few people like my Audie don't care for being told anything. Bit pitiful truly.

EnglishDispenser Of course Target 2.0 will be discharged in Australia.

Is there any valid reason why it wouldn't be?

DaisyD Originally Posted via carnutfl

I simply stacked TARGET 2.0 to my HA and icom. What a distinction. The majority of the raspyness and issues with hearing my own particular voice are no more. They appear to have diminished the over enhancement of low commotion without yielding the intensification of the top of the line sounds.

Something individuals with Phonak Spice helps should investigate

MMMMMMMM I was told by Audie that Phonak haven't discharged Target 2.0 in Australia so far and likely won't.

Razno They just requested it since i demanded. I trust its greatest one.

I attempted tulip and this one and after fb test new one gave me substantially more pick up.

Since jaw development in ear tulip was additionally unsteady in low freq.

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

Shut vault. To begin with was tulip formed, and after that supplanted with one with two little gaps in it.

Ok! got it. I have discovered that I get entirely great outcomes with their recently planned shut arch and don't generally miss the tulip vault by any stretch of the imagination. It has 3 unique sizes while the tulip vault was only one so I'm ready to fit this shut arch on significantly more patients all the more serenely. I don't know whether they have a long version...I would solicit the expert who takes mind from you to discover. I want to depend on one hand the quantity of times I've utilized a long tip.

Razno Originally Posted by DocAudio

I don't know I comprehend what torpedo vault you are talking about.

Shut vault. To begin with was tulip formed, and after that supplanted with one with two little gaps in it.

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

That new torpedo arch - is it avaiable like tulip in various lenght or just a single?

I have short one and keeping in mind that it not drop out, it lose great seal. I think longer one would be better since speaker will be shut from moving out with tragus, and stll be sufficiently profound for better seal.

I don't know I recognize what torpedo vault you are talking about.

Razno That new torpedo arch - is it avaiable like tulip in various lenght or just a single?

I have short one and keeping in mind that it not drop out, it lose great seal. I think longer one would be better since speaker will be shut from moving out with tragus, and stll be sufficiently profound for better seal.

eyesgreendeaf Ok, I get it. Much obliged to you.

Guest Originally Posted by eyesgreendeaf

the 20dB Gain tab doesn't exist for ipfg. How might I make it change for my naida V sps when fundamental? What does tk mean in the product ?

Expanding the TK will diminish the volume for delicate sounds (partner to the Target 2.0 20dB tab). TK remains for Compression Threshold Kneepoint. On the off chance that you change the view on iPFG to Input/yield and afterward Target and select 500Hz for instance, by expanding the TK you diminish the yield for delicate sounds. By diminishing the yield, you diminish the measure of volume for those delicate sounds.

HTH

eyesgreendeaf Originally Posted by DocAudio

Likewise a proposal is to cut back the volume for the delicate sounds (this would be the 20dB Gain tab). That may help with the "shushing" sound. You may be grabbing a vent or some other clamor in the workplace.

the 20dB Gain tab doesn't exist for ipfg. How might I make it modify for my naida V sps when vital? What does tk mean in the product ?

eyesgreendeaf Originally Posted by Deb in CO

I'm happy I happened to see this since I've truly been interested/confounded about how the SoundRecover really sounds. Scholastically I see how it functions, yet by and by, won't it really change even the adjustment of a man's voice? Also, assuming this is the case, mightn't that now and again misshape a man's importance? Am I appearing well and good? For example, in the Thai dialect, tone and intonation can totally change the significance of a word. Presently while that is not for the most part valid in English, a people tone (and recurrence without a doubt now and then goes into that) can totally change the importance of a word. For example, to tell a youngster you're exceptionally satisfied with them, you may state "Charles!" with a high pitch, however in the event that you're distraught at him it will probably be a low, snarling "Charles!"

Soundrecover sets aside a considerable measure of opportunity to alter. I'm in my eighth week and have started to see results. Regardless I require more weeks. The mind needs a great deal of time to offer importance to new sounds. In any case, advantage is worth.

Guest Originally Posted by Tatters

Express gratitude toward you...I value that for another client like me there is an alteration period; I simply feel right now that discourse is less certain with the HA...there is excessively foundation clamor (which I would not regularly see at all)...a kind of a low level shushing sound. I work in an office, and with the HA I discover all the foundation commotion is tending to overwhelm what individuals are stating to me. I'm holding up to check whether Target 2 can offer assistance.

Likewise a recommendation is to cut back the volume for the delicate sounds (this would be the 20dB Gain tab). That may help with the "shushing" sound. You may be getting a vent or some other commotion in the workplace.

Tatters Originally Posted by DocAudio

The trouble in managing the individuals who are after "common" sounding sounds would they say they is haven't listened "normal" in years so what are they basing that correlation off of? The purpose of a listening device isn't to make things sound "regular", it's to make sounds (particularly discourse) clearer and less demanding to recognize sounds with respect to the wearer. As far as I can tell, sound recuperate benefits the patient as a rule. I don't think I've turned it off for anybody.

Express gratitude toward you...I value that for another client like me there is a modification period; I simply feel right now that discourse is less certain with the HA...there is excessively foundation clamor (which I would not typically see at all)...a kind of a low level shushing sound. I work in an office, and with the HA I discover all the foundation commotion is tending to overwhelm what individuals are stating to me. I'm holding up to check whether Target 2 can offer assistance.

Deb in CO Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

He noticed at first that it didn't sound "right" ... be that as it may, inside days it turned into the "genuine" sound for him.

I'm happy I happened to see this since I've truly been interested/confounded about how the SoundRecover really sounds. Scholastically I see how it functions, yet by and by, won't it really change even the regulation of a man's voice? What's more, assuming this is the case, mightn't that now and again misshape a man's significance? Am I seeming well and good? For example, in the Thai dialect, tone and expression can totally change the significance of a word. Presently while that is not for the most part valid in English, a people tone (and recurrence without a doubt in some cases goes into that) can totally change the importance of a word. For example, to tell a kid you're extremely satisfied with them, you may state "Charles!" with a high pitch, however in the event that you're distraught at him it will probably be a low, snarling "Charles!"

eyesgreendeaf I measured my recurrence run as 25 hz - 9000 hz .

I utilized my PC and an earphone and a speaker .

EnglishDispenser SoundRecover can be incredible : it "spared" an auto workman customer of mine.

He could never again hear the slipping of an alternator belt ... not vocation improving.

(The belt whimper is at 2300 Hz ... I quantified it .. what about that for benefit!)

In any case with SoundRecover I moved that down to 1900 Hz, so he could hear the slipping belt once more!

He noticed at first that it didn't sound "right" ... in any case, inside days it turned into the "genuine" sound for him.

He is currently a VERY glad bunny!

eyesgreendeaf Thanks for the connection. I will attempt diverse frequencies when at home.

Razno Originally Posted by eyesgreendeaf

My soundrecover is set at 4khz with a proportion of 2.1 so I can hear sounds up to around 9000 or 10000 hz?

Test it. set it on 10.000 hz...

Must have firefox to work online , however you can spare document (.wav) and play it in player.

I can bearly hear 10.000 with soundrecover, yet i am on open fit, shut vault so restricted in HFgain....

eyesgreendeaf How does soundrecover influence recurrence go? I figure, with soundrecover , freqeuncy run is more extensive to the client. I don't know how touchy is the mouthpieces of my listening devices( naida V sp) yet I think I do hear sounds past 6900 hz with help of soundrecover. My soundrecover is set at 4khz with a proportion of 2.1 so I can hear sounds up to around 9000 or 10000 hz?

Guest Originally Posted by Tatters

Yes I am far fetched about the advantages of Sound Recover. I think the hypothesis is that since it encourages you to hear sounds that you have the lost the capacity to hear something else, that this will help with discourse cognizance and so on. Yet, this appears to me to be to the impairment of the "instinctive nature" of the sound. On the off chance that discourse sounds more unnatural when utilizing Sound Recover, at that point maybe it ought not be utilized by any stretch of the imagination? I still can't seem to attempt it turned off myself. It is so disappointing relying on the audi for giving things a shot like this...it makes the entire procedure of modification so arduous...

Almost the greater part of the patients I have that have Phonak listening devices don't care for how things sound when sound recuperate is off, or they don't see excessively contrast. The main circumstances I've seen individuals inclining toward sound recuperate to be less solid is for fresh out of the box new clients who are not usual to hearing high-recurrence sounds by any means. At that point once they are accustomed to hearing those commotions again they have great execution and clearness of discourse.

The trouble in managing the individuals who are after "regular" sounding sounds would they say they is haven't listened "normal" in years so what are they basing that examination off of? The purpose of a listening device isn't to make things sound "normal", it's to make sounds (particularly discourse) clearer and less demanding to recognize sounds with respect to the wearer. I would say, sound recoup benefits the patient much of the time. I don't think I've turned it off for anybody.

Tatters Originally Posted by DaisyD

After my sixteenth visit and 11 months down the track my Audie killed sound recuperate totally yesterday and it has had a significant huge effect in my comprehension of discourse. Regardless I would not prescribe these guides to anybody despite everything I believe that they are a "sham" however they are beginning to sound OK.

Yes I am suspicious about the advantages of Sound Recover. I think the hypothesis is that since it encourages you to hear sounds that you have the lost the capacity to hear something else, that this will help with discourse cognizance and so on. Be that as it may, this appears to me to be to the inconvenience of the "instinctive nature" of the sound. On the off chance that discourse sounds more unnatural when utilizing Sound Recover, at that point maybe it ought not be utilized by any means? I presently can't seem to attempt it turned off myself. It is so disappointing relying on the audi for giving things a shot like this...it makes the entire procedure of alteration so protracted...

Guest Originally Posted by DaisyD

After my sixteenth visit and 11 months down the track my Audie killed sound recuperate totally yesterday and it has had a significant critical effect in my comprehension of discourse. Despite everything I would not prescribe these guides to anybody regardless I surmise that they are a "sham" however they are beginning to sound OK.

It's too terrible that your emotions about the HA's are so negative. Did the audiologist ever propose attempting an alternate producer? I have had a couple of individuals who have attempted the Phonak's totally loathe them. 99% of the time when we change to an alternate manu, the issues are gone and they are extremely upbeat.

DaisyD After my sixteenth visit and 11 months down the track my Audie killed sound recoup totally yesterday and it has had a significant critical effect in my comprehension of discourse. Despite everything I would not prescribe these guides to anybody regardless I surmise that they are a "sham" yet they are beginning to sound OK.

Tatters Originally Posted via carnutfl

I simply stacked TARGET 2.0 to my HA and icom. What a distinction. A large portion of the raspyness and issues with hearing my own particular voice are no more. They appear to have lessened the over intensification of low commotion without giving up the enhancement of the top of the line sounds.

Something individuals with Phonak Spice helps should investigate

Much obliged! I get mine updated soon; raspyness and an excess of accentuation on foundation commotion is unquestionably what I am experiencing, so I am anticipating the redesign. I'll post back here what improvement it makes.

carnutfl I simply stacked TARGET 2.0 to my HA and icom. What a distinction. A large portion of the raspyness and issues with hearing my own voice are no more. They appear to have diminished the over intensification of low clamor without yielding the enhancement of the top of the line sounds.

Something individuals with Phonak Spice helps should investigate

doubledown Originally Posted by bledbet705

Is there a guide that is pass on the best to have? Individuals appear to be fastidious about the Phonak Smart 9's. Is there a guide that verges on coordinating normal ear execution? I am still in the beauty time frame on my new 9's and I would prefer not to commit a $4200 error. Be that as it may, I should state, however I may have overlooked what characteristic sound is, the 9's in an uncrowded setting are "regular". I have had them for a week and a half. Do I have the Target 2.0 programming?

I trust you are trialing different guides. I mean would you test drive one auto when getting one? The phonak flavor helps have a notoriety because of their 20 channel bolster for sounding normal in calm circumstances. Be that as it may, they are awful in commotion and at times calm circumstance due to their soundflow include. nonetheless, their stereozoom include that utilizations 2 helps to concentrate on sounds in clamor, transforms a flop of a guide into the leader. The guide that used to be lord of the slope were the oticon agil star line of helps. individuals who abhor phonaks commonly assert oticons to be all the more natually sounding likely because of their discourse protect highlight. for single guide execution in clamor oticon can't be beat. I would propose you begin another string and incorporate your listening ability test comes about on the off chance that you need additionally offer assistance.

widex likewise have a notoriety for sounding more common, potentially because of the way they utilize recurrence transposition. Be that as it may, they perform not also in commotion.

pbs Originally Posted by bledbet705

Is there a guide that is pass on the best to have? Individuals appear to be fastidious about the Phonak Smart 9's. Is there a guide that verges on coordinating regular ear execution? I am still in the beauty time frame on my new 9's and I would prefer not to commit a $4200 error. In any case, I should state, however I may have overlooked what common sound is, the 9's in an uncrowded setting are "regular". I have had them for a week and a half. Do I have the Target 2.0 programming?

For common sound attempt the Widex 440 Clears. far clearer than the Phonak S Smart IX

CryMeARiver Thanks to this string, I have downloaded and introduced the refreshed Phonak Target programming and have refreshed the portable hearing assistants also. Kid, what a distinction up until now! I have kept my Ambras in the drawer since this mid year due to the poor sound quality. My audi persuaded me it was only a crumbling of my listening ability. I was feeling lost with no where to go. What I need to know is the reason didn't my audi get in touch with me in regards to this? She knew the amount I was battling. Express gratitude toward God there is an approach to program your own particular guides on the off chance that you look sufficiently profound. I cherish having this control regardless of the possibility that the experts believe it's untrustworthy. It's my life! I question my audi would have ever told me about this imperative redesign.

carnutfl You need to inquire as to whether he downloaded and programed your guide with the 2.0 TARGET form. It is quite recently as of late out, and many Audi's may have not downloaded it. Likewise, attempt your guide in a boisterous situation also, to check whether despite everything they work for you.

bledbet705 Is there a guide that is pass on the best to have? Individuals appear to be particular about the Phonak Smart 9's. Is there a guide that verges on coordinating common ear execution? I am still in the beauty time frame on my new 9's and I would prefer not to commit a $4200 error. In any case, I should state, however I may have overlooked what regular sound is, the 9's in an uncrowded setting are "common". I have had them for a week and a half. Do I have the Target 2.0 programming?

pbs Originally Posted by prodigyplace

I am certain Phonak's guides are exceptionally competent and individuals like DocAudio have had a considerable measure of achievement with them. Tragically, a few of us have had encounters with less talented Phonak experts.

Yes, and it is dependent upon Phonak to offer ONLY through individuals as gifted in their product as DocAudio OR, make their set-up method less confounded as say, Widex has done. They had the decision on the course to showcase however no doubt, from this discussion, that they bombed in many occasions.

prodigyplace I am certain Phonak's guides are extremely able and individuals like DocAudio have had a great deal of accomplishment with them. Tragically, a few of us have had encounters with less talented Phonak experts.

pbs Originally Posted by prodigyplace

This is the way that, I think, Phonak missed. Maybe they have learned with the Spice+ chips. The reality of the situation will become obvious eventually.

With different brands, there is next to no the audi needs to do to get a sensible sound outcome. That happened to pbs & Widex and to me with a Starkey mark. Other than the standard input change, my fitter simply raised the general volume level on my projects. I will probably backpedal for advance minor alteration, yet the sound has been vastly improved than my AuD audi could get from Phonak aids.This put a significantly bigger weight on the audi than required ny different merchants to program the guides effectively.

True Prodigy. The makers must understand that the audi is as much a piece of the chain as say, the person who outlines it.

You have two options - make it simple to alter and offer it by means of audis who are not really up to speed, or make it muddled and offer ONLY through audis who are FULLY prepared in the Phonak set-up methodology. Up until this point, Phonak have, as a rule, have it absolutely wrong and their notoriety has endured thus!!

prodigyplace Originally Posted by pbs

Hello there Doc,

Yes, I was just joking. I am exceptionally satisfied with the Widex. Brilliant sound quality and the T Coil works!!It was very amazing exactly how little the audi needed to do to the Widex to get them without flaw.

This is the way that, I think, Phonak missed. Maybe they have learned with the Spice+ chips. The reality of the situation will become obvious eventually.

With different brands, there is almost no the audi needs to do to get a sensible sound outcome. That happened to pbs & Widex and to me with a Starkey mark. Other than the standard criticism alteration, my fitter simply raised the general volume level on my projects. I will probably backpedal for assist minor modification, yet the sound has been vastly improved than my AuD audi could get from Phonak helps.

This set a substantially bigger weight on the audi than required ny different sellers to program the guides effectively.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

Lol...I believe you're fine. I don't believe that this refresh would have had a major effect in the phonak's you attempted...

I've heard some incredible things about the Clear HA's by widex...I think you settled on a decent and proper decision for you given your troubles with Phonak.

Hello Doc,

Yes, I was just joking. I am exceptionally satisfied with the Widex. Radiant sound quality and the T Coil works!!

It was very shocking exactly how little the audi needed to do to the Widex to get them without flaw.

Tatters Originally Posted by DocAudio

The new programming will be utilized with all zest products...so I envision that the new elements will exchange over. I snared a demo HA I had and it inquired as to whether I needed to update the firmware (I disregarded it since I was recently giving something a shot with audiogram coordinate) so yes, on the off chance that you have the Spice chip when it gets snared your expert ought to be redesigning your listening device to mirror the progressions.

Much obliged. I have to make a careful recommendation to my audi to overhaul their Target programming!

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

Damn!! I have recently purchased and paid for the Widex!!!!

Lol...I believe you're fine. I don't imagine that this refresh would have had a major effect in the phonak's you attempted...

I've heard some awesome things about the Clear HA's by widex...I think you settled on a decent and fitting decision for you given your troubles with Phonak.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by DocAudio

The new programming will be utilized with all zest products...so I envision that the new elements will exchange over. I snared a demo HA I had and it inquired as to whether I needed to overhaul the firmware (I disregarded it since I was quite recently giving something a shot with audiogram coordinate) so yes, in the event that you have the Spice chip when it gets snared your expert ought to be redesigning your amplifier to mirror the progressions.

You mean Starkey has not cornered the market on adding new elements to more established guides?

Try not to tell ZCT that.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

The new programming will be utilized with all zest products...so I envision that the new elements will exchange over. I snared a demo HA I had and it inquired as to whether I needed to update the firmware (I overlooked it since I was quite recently giving something a shot with audiogram coordinate) so yes, on the off chance that you have the Spice chip when it gets snared your expert ought to be overhauling your amplifier to mirror the progressions.

Damn!! I have recently purchased and paid for the Widex!!!!

Guest Originally Posted by Tatters

I've perused the declarations on the Phonak site and it is not clear to me whether the Spice+ focal points are accessible in more established Spice models. Does anybody know without a doubt?

I just got my Spice 9's in September, and a portion of the Spice+ highlights unquestionably solid extremely intriguing, e.g., more characteristic hearing background in calm circumstances, enhanced sound quality. Right now I get a great deal of low level "stirring" and "shushing" commotions which implies I am verging on dismissing the guide. I am not even at the nomimal 100% solution yet.

The new programming will be utilized with all zest products...so I envision that the new components will exchange over. I snared a demo HA I had and it inquired as to whether I needed to redesign the firmware (I disregarded it since I was recently giving something a shot with audiogram coordinate) so yes, in the event that you have the Spice chip when it gets snared your expert ought to be updating your listening device to mirror the progressions.

Tatters I've perused the declarations on the Phonak site and it is not clear to me whether the Spice+ points of interest are accessible in more seasoned Spice models. Does anybody know without a doubt?

I just got my Spice 9's in September, and a portion of the Spice+ includes certainly stable exceptionally fascinating, e.g., more common hearing background in calm circumstances, enhanced sound quality. Right now I get a great deal of low level "stirring" and "shushing" clamors which implies I am verging on dismissing the guide. I am not even at the nomimal 100% solution yet.

pbs Originally Posted by seb

It wasn't that they were tuning in but instead became weary of the considerable number of dissensions and returned HA!

It will be intriguing to take after this subject and check whether the grievances blur away as the new programming grabs hold. By and by, I enjoyed the S Smart IX, aside from the out of stage feeling that specific sounds caused and the way that on the grounds that each time the audis fiddled with them they deteriorated. I simply lost certainty.

I had an entirely unexpected involvement with the Widex - the same audi appeared to recognize what he was doing and it appeared in the outcomes. I imagine that it could just have been down to the distinction in the set-up programming.

seb It wasn't that they were tuning in but instead became weary of the considerable number of dissensions and returned HA!

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

Thought all of you may be intrigued however this is what was situated in the new refresh's "news" segment with respect to what Target 2.0 offers: (and can likewise be found on their site)

Spice+

10/11/2011 - The sound of value

Expanded unconstrained client acknowledgment particularly for mellow to direct hearing misfortunes

The Phonak fitting equation has been improved to better address the difficulties postured by the individual properties of the ear, the picked acoustic coupling, the immediate sound achieving the ear and increased sound.

More characteristic hearing knowledge in calm

We have refined extension (delicate squelch) to successfully oversee unobtrusive flag adequacy vacillations continuously for calm circumstances.

Moreover, smooth adjustment of the time constants addresses fleeting vacillations in input signals when in calm, for instance amid short discourse stops and longer times of quiet.

Phonak Target™ 2.0 - Streamlined for fitting achievement

Refined fitting work process for speedier fitting achievement

Disentangled program administrator for instinctive manual program administration

Helpful pragmatic orders and activities that you will appreciate

Leap forward Designs - Innovative styles that awe

With the Phonak Spice Generation we presented a great assortment of styles in many sizes and power classes. Notwithstanding improving the majority of the current Spice instruments with Spice+ favorable circumstances, we are presently pleased to display new plan advancements in three key regions: water resistance, scaling down and availability.

Sounds like somebody at Phonak was at last tuning in!!

Guest It's the same. I trust the + remains for the expansion of the more up to date models to compliment their current lines.

prodigyplace Are the Spice+ models the same, or are there new names & numbers? Is Spice+ new equipment or just updated firmware for the guides?

Simply inquisitive, particularly to help others here.

Guest Thought all of you may be intrigued however this is what was situated in the new refresh's "news" segment in regards to what Target 2.0 offers: (and can likewise be found on their site)

Spice+

10/11/2011 - The sound of value

Expanded unconstrained client acknowledgment particularly for gentle to direct hearing misfortunes

The Phonak fitting recipe has been upgraded to better address the difficulties postured by the individual properties of the ear, the picked acoustic coupling, the immediate sound achieving the ear and opened up sound.

More characteristic hearing knowledge in calm

We have refined development (delicate squelch) to adequately oversee inconspicuous flag sufficiency vacillations continuously for calm circumstances.

Besides, smooth adjustment of the time constants addresses fleeting variances in input signals when in calm, for instance amid short discourse stops and longer times of hush.

Phonak Target™ 2.0 - Streamlined for fitting achievement

Refined fitting work process for speedier fitting achievement

Disentangled program chief for natural manual program administration

Advantageous reasonable summons and activities that you will appreciate

Achievement Designs - Innovative styles that awe

With the Phonak Spice Generation we presented an amazing assortment of styles in many sizes and power classes. Notwithstanding enhancing the majority of the current Spice instruments with Spice+ focal points, we are currently pleased to display new outline developments in three key regions: water resistance, scaling down and network.

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

Greetings Doc,

I don't surmise that it is an issue of you accepting accountability for your own particular instruction. You are clearly a devoted proficient. Be that as it may, from my own particular experience, there are audis out there wha are permitted to offer Phonak items wh don't know how to set up the more up to date items. It is these individuals who squander the customers time and who besmirch the name and notoriety of Phonak. It is in this way up to Phonack to guarantee that the general population to whom they offer their items are completely acquainted with the setting up methodology. The hurry to box move the item ought to be tempered with a tinge of duty. All things considered, we are not discussing a shabby discard item when a couple of HAs and the frill can approach the cost of a little family auto.

As should be obvious from the posts on this discussion, it doesn't take much to lose an item's notoriety and it can take a great deal of box moving to recapture it.

Best respects,

Ok, I see your point. Yes...I figure that is a point that Phonak should consider.

While despite everything I trust the obligation to be proficient lies solidly with the expert, Phonak should appreciate ensuring the general population administering their item are doing as such in a compelling way.Reps are typically the individual in charge of that so maybe they are slacking in their obligations in a few regions? This would be an issue for Phonak to manage if that is the situation.

prodigyplace It is additionally Phonak's duty to safeguard that their programming is instinctive to utilize. they compose the product for their guides and elements, so it is their duty.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

Well I should consciously differ with you in regards to who is in charge of ensuring that the expert is skillful at doing their job...I don't consider Phonak in charge of ensuring I know how to utilize their product. I am the one in charge of my insight base...no one else. Yes Phonak must offer help however it's my duty to search it out on the off chance that I am uncertain of what I am doing.

To the extent the Phonak worker's being knowledgeable...the reps I have are extremely knowledgeable in the product and list of capabilities of the new items. All the audiologists I have talked with in Phonak's audiology office have likewise had a to a great degree abnormal state of information about their items/programming. Maybe the reps in the region you are found have not done their employment in ensuring they are as learned about the items they offer as they ought to be. On the off chance that they are inadequate around there Phonak must prepare them further. That is the place Phonak's obligation in the majority of this stops...IMHO.

Possibly I'm in the minority of individuals that accept accountability for my own instruction and training...I simply don't feel like I ought to be lounging around sitting tight for somebody to come and hold my hand all through this. Phonak revealed their first programming change in >13 years...I don't believe it's an extend for any sensibly thinking grown-up/proficient to understand that perhaps they required somewhat instructional exercise on it.

Hey Doc,

I don't imagine that it is an issue of you accepting accountability for your own particular training. You are clearly a committed proficient. In any case, from my own particular experience, there are audis out there wha are permitted to offer Phonak items wh don't know how to set up the fresher items. It is these individuals who squander the customers time and who besmirch the name and notoriety of Phonak. It is in this manner up to Phonack to guarantee that the general population to whom they offer their items are completely acquainted with the setting up strategy. The hurry to box move the item ought to be tempered with a tinge of duty. All things considered, we are not discussing a shoddy discard item when a couple of HAs and the frill can approach the cost of a little family auto.

As should be obvious from the posts on this discussion, it doesn't take much to lose an item's notoriety and it can take a ton of box moving to recapture it.

Best respects,

Guest Originally Posted by Razno

There is new Target 2.0.0

I think about whether they did a few improvements to make it harder to make fundamentaly blunders close to suports for new guide's and embellishments.

No, it's to incorporate their new water-resistent items and their new Naida S RIC item int he product offering up. There may be a couple of minor changes in the elements inside the product however my figure is if there is, it won't be anything major.

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

I don't concur Doc. The item has Phonak's name and notoriety on it and thusly it is Phonak's duty to ensure that they have audis that do know how to set up their items. Considerably more imperative, they ought to guarantee that their immediate workers - the reps FULLY comprehend the item. From my own particular experience, on two events, this has unquestionably not been the situation. Passage Motor Company, for instance, gets out many merchants each your for not staying aware of preparing.

Well I should consciously differ with you in regards to who is in charge of ensuring that the expert is skilled at doing their job...I don't consider Phonak in charge of ensuring I know how to utilize their product. I am the one in charge of my insight base...no one else. Yes Phonak must offer help yet it's my obligation to search it out on the off chance that I am uncertain of what I am doing.

To the extent the Phonak representative's being knowledgeable...the reps I have are exceptionally knowledgeable in the product and list of capabilities of the new items. All the audiologists I have talked with in Phonak's audiology division have likewise had an amazingly abnormal state of learning about their items/programming. Maybe the reps in the range you are found have not done their employment in ensuring they are as educated about the items they offer as they ought to be. In the event that they are inadequate here Phonak must prepare them further. That is the place Phonak's duty in the majority of this stops...IMHO.

Possibly I'm in the minority of individuals that accept accountability for my own particular instruction and training...I simply don't feel like I ought to be lounging around sitting tight for somebody to come and hold my hand all through this. Phonak revealed their first programming change in >13 years...I don't believe it's an extend for any consistently thinking grown-up/proficient to understand that perhaps they required somewhat instructional exercise on it.

Razno There is new Target 2.0.0

I think about whether they did a few improvements to make it harder to make fundamentaly blunders adjacent to suports for new guide's and adornments.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

To be blunt...the audiologists that are having issues programming ought to get off their duffs and go to an instructional class or have their rep come in and demonstrate to them generally accepted methods to utilize it and every one of the components inside it.

The issue isn't in the software...it's the end-client not owning up to the possibility that they aren't as comfortable with the product as they ought to be and getting the preparation they require.

The product is truly incredible, IMHO. Substantially simpler to explore and has a considerable measure of components in it to help with understanding issues. On the off chance that the audiologist can't discover them/doesn't comprehend what to do..it's the Audiologists' fault...not Phonak's.

I don't concur Doc. The item has Phonak's name and notoriety on it and in this way it is Phonak's duty to ensure that they have audis that do know how to set up their items. Considerably more imperative, they ought to guarantee that their immediate representatives - the reps FULLY comprehend the item. From my own understanding, on two events, this has unquestionably not been the situation. Portage Motor Company, for instance, gets out many wholesalers each your for not staying aware of preparing.

Guest Originally Posted by seb

Doc,

In the event that you read these post and I know you do, you will see many individuals' Audi's known as the rep for help and they didn't recognize what to do to settle the issues either, so I think the fault is both the Audi's and solidly on the shoulders of Phonak.

Not knowing how to explore/utilize the product isn't Phonak's fault...if you can't explore the software...well that is the audiologists/fitters issue. They must get comfortable with the fitting software...not Phonak's business to keep an eye on and hold their hand all through the procedure.

QC issues with the item themselves...that's altogether conceivable however it's not programming related...PBS's announcement was that the expert couldn't get them legitimately programmed...I don't see that as a product issue.

seb Doc,

On the off chance that you read these post and I know you do, you will see many individuals' Audi's known as the rep for help and they didn't comprehend what to do to settle the issues either, so I think the fault is both the Audi's and unequivocally on the shoulders of Phonak.

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

Greetings Doc,

So what, on the off chance that anything would they say they are doing about the troubles that such a large number of audis are purportedly having legitimately programming the S Chips?

Respects,

To be blunt...the audiologists that are having issues programming ought to get off their duffs and go to an instructional class or have their rep come in and demonstrate to them proper methodologies to utilize it and every one of the components inside it.

The issue isn't in the software...it's the end-client not owning up to the possibility that they aren't as comfortable with the product as they ought to be and getting the preparation they require.

The product is truly incredible, IMHO. Substantially less demanding to explore and has a considerable measure of components in it to help with persistent issues. On the off chance that the audiologist can't discover them/doesn't comprehend what to do..it's the Audiologists' fault...not Phonak's.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

The refresh is to incorporate the new items that they just propelled, not as a repair for the past Target form. The new items are water-safe BTE/CRT's a piece of their Spice stage.

Hello Doc,

So what, in the event that anything would they say they are doing about the challenges that such a variety of audis are purportedly having legitimately programming the S Chips?

Respects,

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

Indeed, in any event they have tuned in and acted. Pity it wasn't done BEFORE they discharged the Spice chips! It may have spared me 3 months of agro!!!

The refresh is to incorporate the new items that they just propelled, not as a repair for the past Target variant. The new items are water-safe BTE/CRT's a piece of their Spice stage.

pbs Originally Posted by MatthewJones

I figure their locales are getting beat.. More likely than not smashed before as it was inaccessible.

557 megs - Coming down VERY SLOWLY!! Pretty much 1/2 way.... C'mon child.. You can do it..

All things considered, at any rate they have tuned in and acted. Pity it wasn't done BEFORE they discharged the Spice chips! It may have spared me 3 months of agro!!!

pbs Originally Posted by bledbet705

I have serious hearing misfortune because of hydrops. Following 6 years with $6000 Sonic Inovations Inova advanced, I just gotten an arrangement of Phonak Smart IX's from my aud. She has not turned on all the product yet. Nonetheless, I find astonishing execution contrasted with the SI's. I am getting 95% of discourse even on BBC programs. Notwithstanding, the pressure in the high range as set by the manufacturing plant is excessively hot. So hot that it misshapes if the high stable has any volume. Admonition: Focusing on one individual in a room loaded with talking hasn't been balanced yet I trust. In the event that those two things can enhance for me, I will swear by Phonak.

if not you will be swearing AT Phonak!!!

bledbet705 I have extreme hearing misfortune because of hydrops. Following 6 years with $6000 Sonic Inovations Inova computerized, I just gotten an arrangement of Phonak Smart IX's from my aud. She has not turned on all the product yet. In any case, I find astounding execution contrasted with the SI's. I am getting 95% of discourse even on BBC programs. Be that as it may, the pressure in the high range as set by the production line is excessively hot. So hot that it mutilates if the high stable has any volume. Admonition: Focusing on one individual in a room loaded with talking hasn't been balanced yet I trust. In the event that those two things can enhance for me, I will swear by Phonak.

MatthewJones I figure their destinations are getting beat.. More likely than not slammed before as it was inaccessible.

557 megs - Coming down VERY SLOWLY!! Pretty much 1/2 way.... C'mon infant.. You can do it..

alpine1 It is here! Large as expressed

Initially Posted by DocAudio

I'll need to check whether the download is accessible...

Guest I'll need to check whether the download is accessible...

MatthewJones It shows up Target 2.0 turned out today. I have not perused any outline data or anything yet.

With respect to them getting along together, I would need to state that for me, it resembles 70% Automated. Its the fine tweaking and getting comfortable with the majority of the different choices and all the more vitally what works for the HA client. IMHO.......

If all else fails GET THE PHONAK LOCAL REP INVOLVED...

ylandra I have spent the most recent 5 days working my way through this string. I have taken in a LOT. Much obliged to you to everybody who has contributed through your adventures to get to this point.

At my audi arrangement today, she was experiencing difficulty getting my icom, mypilot, and Audeo S IX to play pleasantly together. She got Phonak on the telephone and discovered that they just discharged "a refresh" today. I don't know whether it was programming or firmware, but rather I think it might have been both. It was a tremendous download and took pretty much perpetually, yet it's introduced, for what it's worth.

EnglishDispenser I still feel that patient care is basic however.

Obviously you are impeccably right. Without watching over my customers I wouldn't have a business!

I was misrepresenting a bit to highlight the way that "minding" without anyone else's input is never again adequate ... you now truly do require more than a shallow information of the innovation to be a capable portable hearing assistant distributor.

pbs Originally Posted by Um bongo

Regardless I believe that patient care is fundamental however. Mechanical progress is just fine, yet in the event that you leave the most imperative component out of the condition (the person) will battle.

That is the reason the absence of physicality with web buys is an issue. Customers should be helped through the procedure first and demonstrated the advantages of the innovation on their terms. Blinding them with an arrangement of execution measurements is entirely futile.

Well said Um bongo!! In any case, to indicate them "the advantages of the innovation on their terms" the audis should first have a more full comprehension of that innovation. It is here that Phonak specifically has let down the audis.

As a graduate electronic designer I can disclose to you that the most straightforward thing to do is to outline something that is either hard to fabricate or difficult to utilize. The specialty of good outline is to meet both of those criteria. The second of these criteria - the utilization - incorporates the audis, the imperative connection between the item plan and the end client. Without this connection even the cleverest configuration will come up short.

Um bongo Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I presume that being "minding" is not any sufficiently more (or even fundamental?) to be a proficient listening device gadget.

A learning of electronic plan, programming outline, advanced flag preparing and so forth is by all accounts rather more imperative these days.

Before around 1996 the gadget basically gave guiding a simple guide tossed in as a major aspect of the bundle ... possibly as a fake treatment.

However in 2011 the advanced hearing innovation really works, so the distributor never again should be a 'social butterfly' yet unquestionably should be an 'innovation individual'.

There will be an exchange day and age for the 'old school' to clear a path for the "nerds" .. or, on the other hand to change their demonstration and basically retrain.

Censuring Phonak's fitting programming for being 'excessively perplexing' is an 'old school' method for taking a gander at the new innovation.

Um Bongo, myself and other people who are absolutely glad working with PCs, acoustics, computerized flag handling, remote innovation, the Web and so on are the future ... be anxious, exceptionally perplexed!

Despite everything I surmise that patient care is fundamental however. Innovative progress is fine and dandy, yet in the event that you leave the most vital component out of the condition (the individual) will battle.

That is the reason the absence of physicality with web buys is an issue. Customers should be helped through the procedure first and demonstrated the advantages of the innovation on their terms. Blinding them with an arrangement of execution insights is truly futile.

prodigyplace I don't have your answer, however the last arrangement of Phonak helps I attempted, the audiologist ran the criticism director. They at that point balanced the guides as indicated by the outline from a genuine ear estimation of discourse. She at that point expected the guides were modified impeccably It was hard to inspire her to make any more changes.

doubledown from what i've perused the accompanying may offer assistance

1) guarantee you have the most recent firmware and ipfg

2) guarantee the correct ear shape measure/style is chosen

3) run criticism director and recalculate after every arrangement of modifications. Would anybody be able to tell me which ought to be done first and why?

on the off chance that the above does not work at that point take a stab at killing sound recuperate. play Judas on the off chance that it doesn't offer assistance. on the off chance that that does not work at that point lessen the pick up on the high recurrence by 2db at any given moment.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser;68351[B

]I presume that being "minding" is never again enough (or even essential?) to be an effective listening device gadget.

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A learning of electronic outline, programming plan, computerized flag preparing and so forth is by all accounts rather more imperative these days.

Before around 1996 the distributor basically gave advising a simple guide tossed in as a major aspect of the bundle ... perhaps as a fake treatment.

However in 2011 the advanced hearing innovation really works, so the distributor never again should be an 'extrovert' yet certainly should be an 'innovation individual'.

There will be an exchange day and age for the 'old school' to clear a path for the "nerds" .. or, on the other hand to change their demonstration and basically retrain.

Pointing the finger at Phonak's fitting programming for being 'excessively unpredictable' is an 'old school' method for taking a gander at the new innovation.

Um Bongo, myself and other people who are absolutely upbeat working with PCs, acoustics, advanced flag handling, remote innovation, the Web and so forth are the future ... be apprehensive, exceptionally perplexed!

Really, my present HA fitter fits the "minding" depiction. He seems to program helps sensibly. He handles a few brands, however not Phonak.

The plant settings on the Phonak helps were dfisatrous, in correlation. My AuD was not ready to enhance the circumstance much either.

I see said in another string that Phonak rolled out extensive improvements in their product. Possibly they neglected to grow great aides & documentation for their merchants who utilize the product. Not very many individuals jump at the chance to do documentation.

We should fear change??

kevels55 Hi Folks

I found the Target programming extremely easy to use as long as I modified my Ambra's to a certain and correct arrangement, at that point there were no issues! I am no Audi or HIS and attempt as I did to educate my own Audi, they couldn't exactly get a handle on the annoy, just on the grounds that they were really unnerved of their PC................. it demonstrated to me once more, of which the majority of us are extremely very much aware of, this familiar aphorism rings a bell (in intense) when you require a vital employment accomplished for yourself; "On the off chance that you need something done well, at that point do it without anyone else's help!"

Program your own, on the off chance that you are a decently PC sagacious individual, at that point its like shelling peas and nobody is better met all requirements to adjust your guides than yourself as you probably are aware in a moment in the event that it works or not..............once you feel comfortable around the product, its a doddle

Cheers Kev.

Guest Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I presume that being "minding" is not any sufficiently more (or even important?) to be a productive portable amplifier allocator.

A learning of electronic plan, programming outline, computerized flag handling and so forth is by all accounts rather more imperative these days.

Preceding around 1996 the container basically furnished advising with a simple guide tossed in as a feature of the bundle ... possibly as a fake treatment.

However in 2011 the advanced hearing innovation really works, so the distributor never again should be an 'extrovert' yet unquestionably should be an 'innovation individual'.

There will be an exchange day and age for the 'old school' to clear a path for the "nerds" .. or, then again to change their demonstration and basically retrain.

Pointing the finger at Phonak's fitting programming for being 'excessively perplexing' is an 'old school' method for taking a gander at the new innovation.

Um Bongo, myself and other people who are absolutely upbeat working with PCs, acoustics, computerized flag handling, remote innovation, the Web and so forth are the future ... be perplexed, extremely apprehensive!

There is a reason that the field of Audiology did moves to change to a clinical doctorate as the section level degree. One was unquestionably to oblige the undeniably more specialized level important to play out a great deal of the undertakings we do consistently, one being amplifiers.

Initially Posted by Razno

My audi revealed to me that hipro isn't good with target and new S helps.

Is that valid? i think i saw on phonak site that it's good. Perhaps old serial form isn't perfect?

Would someone be able to affirm if that is valid?

I have utilized a hello there professional box with the new programming so your audiologist isn't right.

Old (and I mean old) Phonak HA's aren't perfect with the Noah-link...but I think everything is as yet good with the Hi-Pro box.

EnglishDispenser I speculate that being "minding" is never again enough (or even fundamental?) to be a proficient portable amplifier distributor.

A learning of electronic outline, programming plan, advanced flag preparing and so on is by all accounts rather more vital these days.

Before around 1996 the gadget basically furnished advising with a simple guide tossed in as a component of the bundle ... perhaps as a fake treatment.

However in 2011 the advanced hearing innovation really works, so the allocator never again should be a 'social butterfly' yet unquestionably should be an 'innovation individual'.

There will be an exchange day and age for the 'old school' to clear a path for the "nerds" .. or, on the other hand to change their demonstration and basically retrain.

Pointing the finger at Phonak's fitting programming for being 'excessively intricate' is an 'old school' method for taking a gander at the new innovation.

Um Bongo, myself and other people who are absolutely upbeat working with PCs, acoustics, advanced flag handling, remote innovation, the Web and so on are the future ... be apprehensive, exceptionally perplexed!

seb Or in any event concocted an instructional exercise that will help the Audi when they get stuck in an unfortunate situation programming the HA.

prodigyplace I think Phonak needs to spend more assets in building up their programming to their Spice helps can be customized all the more effortlessly.

pbs Originally Posted by Gittje

Yes. The good thing was that I didn't got twisting and it just took 3 sessions to modify the Clear440, yet then again I didn't have the inclination that music sprung up and was nitty sufficiently gritty as I have had with the Phonak Ambra MicroM.

It's a genuine pity that the audi couldn't fix later changes on the Ambra helps and had gone to a point that he didn't need any further changes. So Friday I restored the HA as I got toward the finish of my time for testing.

Phonak withits Spice chip have concocted something that lone not very many audis appear to have the capacity to work with effectively. I strove for quite a long time to get the Phonak S Smart IX to work before I basically surrendered. I am exceptionally satisfied with the Clear 440s. Possibly you have a more noteworthy valuation for music than I.

Good fortunes.

Gittje Originally Posted by pbs

Did you attempt music mode on the Widex?

Yes. The good thing was that I didn't got bending and it just took 3 sessions to alter the Clear440, yet then again I didn't have the inclination that music sprung up and was nitty sufficiently gritty as I have had with the Phonak Ambra MicroM.

It's a genuine pity that the audi couldn't fix later changes on the Ambra helps and had gone to a point that he didn't need any further changes. So Friday I restored the HA as I got toward the finish of my time for testing.

pbs Originally Posted by Gittje

I attempted the Widex Clear440 C4-9 with open fit and discovered them ... Or maybe exhausting. The Phonak Ambra give me significantly more detail in music mode than the Widex.

Did you attempt music mode on the Widex?

Razno My audi disclosed to me that hipro isn't perfect with target and new S helps.

Is that valid? i think i saw on phonak site that it's perfect. Possibly old serial variant isn't perfect?

Would someone be able to affirm if that is valid?

Gittje Next week I have another appointement with my audi to tune the Ambra's at my taste.

For the minute I got acoustic telephone in the primary opening, stereo zoom in the second and music in the third.

Duophone doesn't work for me, so I mean to program "quiet" or "solace". What's the distinction between the two?

prodigyplace Originally Posted by Gittje

I attempted the Widex Clear440 C4-9 with open fit and discovered them ... Or maybe exhausting. The Phonak Ambra give me significantly more detail in music mode than the Widex.

Since there are many individuals content with Phonak helps, they are likely great on the off chance that you have an expert who is exceptionally talented in programming the Spice helps.

There are a considerable measure of experts who think they can, however they create unfortunate outcomes. I initially attempted the Solana MicroP (a level lower than the Ambra) and afterward the Cassia (the following level down). I was trusting beginning crisp with another model would allow the audiologist to program accurately since she would not attempt another brand. I was mixed up and I restored the guides.

I don't have anything against Phonak, at the same time, as indicated by many encounters on this gathering, they are hard to program accurately.

Gittje Originally Posted by pbs

... yet at the same time in no way like the Widex Clear 440 Fusion.I am backpedaling to the Widex!!!

I attempted the Widex Clear440 C4-9 with open fit and discovered them ... Or maybe exhausting. The Phonak Ambra give me significantly more detail in music mode than the Widex.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by alpine1

Ugh, that is not what I need to hear either as I'm thinking about that same HA.

I'd be intrigued to hear what the disappointment reason may have been. On the off chance that their anything like Phonak they won't reveal the indepth reason!!

Ideal from the industrial facility, there was a steady repetitive sound the backgreound that the audiologist wound up calling "circuit commotion". She was inevitably to safeguard it a few, however not dispose of it. Voices sounded "echoey" on occasion.

Soon after I got the Cassias, I went on a long outing. When we halted at a fast food put in, I set my request. The youthful clerk at that point said something. I did not understand what she said even after her rehashing it. I at that point rehashed my request. Evidently, she was simply asking whether the request was to eat inside, or to be bundled to go. I wound up eating it inside after it was bundled to go. That was humiliating.

I abandoned that audiologist, had an awful involvement with self programming the low end innovation Hearsource helps, and afterward chose I needed to attempt a Starkey mark after I examined things on this discussion.

alpine1 Ugh, that is not what I need to hear either as I'm thinking about that same HA.

I'd be intrigued to hear what the disappointment reason may have been. On the off chance that their anything like Phonak they won't disclose the indepth reason!!

Initially Posted by prodigyplace

I just took them to my fitter today to send them out for repair. They both kicked the bucket inside days of each other

I am currently utilizing my 9 year old Widex Senso Diva ITC helps until the point when I recover my different ones.

I trust I don't have to utilize Microtech's 3 year guarantee numerous more circumstances.

prodigyplace Let me add to the tune.

I tries the Phonak Solana MicroP and after that the Cassia, both Spice helps. I at long last surrendered and returned them to the degreed audiologist.

I have since purchased Microtech marked Starkey S Series iQ 11 CIC helps from an amplifier fitter. They have been vastly improved and more affordable than the Phonak aids.Unfortunately, I just took them to my fitter today to send them out for repair. They both passed on inside days of each other

I am currently utilizing my 9 year old Widex Senso Diva ITC helps until the point that I recover my different ones.

I trust I don't have to utilize Microtech's 3 year guarantee numerous more circumstances.

pbs Originally Posted by DaisyD

I paid $9,000.00 for my AudeoS in January this year. I have been returned to my Audie for 15 yes 15 goes at attempting to get them right and they are as yet awful in clamor. Why did I purchase them.....because I was sucked in by a significant number individuals saying how awesome they were.....and I thought my Audie could get them right............well she hasn't and didn't and I don't think she ever will and I am screwed over thanks to these Aids. I would absolutely not prescribe them to anybody and I am so sad I squandered that much cash on something that I can't hear appropriately with. My fabulous children came today for a visit and the guides grabbed each holler and shout and any outside clamor that they could get however figured out how to not get any speech.............grrrrr I despise them.

I attempted the Audeo S Smart for THREE months and numerous, many outings to the audi.They were appalling. I went to another audi and he demanded that I should attempt them again - they were marginally better yet at the same time not at all like the Widex Clear 440 Fusion.

I found with the Phonaks that specific sounds set them off into swaying and that this at that point gave me a dispersed out feeling in my mind. The frequencies that did this appeared to be around 1200 hz however regular sounds like running water, plates conflicting in an eatery, crinkling paper and so on would send them nuts.

Having now attempted two sets - from two distinctive audis I need to accept that there is some kind of problem with the outline. I am backpedaling to the Widex!!!

seb Daisy,

Maybe an eloquent letter from a legal advisor to the audiologist, Phonak or both may get some activity.

I think 15 outings to the Audi is a little finished the top attempting to get the guides dialed in. On the off chance that this doesn't demonstrate that Phonak has delivered either a lemon or an item that doesn't work, nothing will. Good fortunes! I think you will require it.

DaisyD Originally Posted by Gittje

Yes, I saw that.

I paid $9,000.00 for my AudeoS in January this year. I have been returned to my Audie for 15 yes 15 goes at attempting to get them right and they are as yet terrible in clamor. Why did I purchase them.....because I was sucked in by a significant number individuals saying how extraordinary they were.....and I thought my Audie could get them right............well she hasn't and didn't and I don't think she ever will and I am screwed over thanks to these Aids. I would positively not prescribe them to anybody and I am so sad I squandered that much cash on something that I can't hear appropriately with. My excellent children came today for a visit and the guides grabbed each holler and shout and any outside commotion that they could get however figured out how to not get any speech.............grrrrr I detest them.

Gittje Originally Posted by seb

In the event that you've done much perusing on the Forum you have seen that a great deal of Audi's are having issues setting up the new Phonak helps.

Yes, I saw that.

seb I would not like to go to that outrageous, however in the event that he can't get the rep or some learning on the Ambra's before your following visit you might need to go somewhere else. In the event that you've done much perusing on the Forum you have seen that a great deal of Audi's are having issues setting up the new Phonak helps. At the end of the day good fortunes!

carnutfl Originally Posted by Gittje

Is this a standard methodology?

My audi went to a course about the Ambra's last year, however they weren't accessible yet. He got his initially match of Ambra's to fit on me in June. He revealed to me that the product of the Ambra's has been restored as well and that he needs to discover his direction.

Possibly you ought to be finding out his entryway and giving him back the HA. You paid excessively to have an unpracticed audi.

Gittje Originally Posted by seb

Likewise ask for the rep be at your next change so you can find the solutions to your inquiries and make alterations effectively, since it sounds like your Audi doesn't know Phonak items genuine well.

Is this a consistent method?

My audi went to a course about the Ambra's last year, yet they weren't accessible yet. He got his initially combine of Ambra's to fit on me in June. He revealed to me that the product of the Ambra's has been reestablished as well and that he needs to discover his direction.

seb Gittje,

Time to get your Audi to call the Phonak rep and get some learning about the items he/she are offering. Likewise ask for the rep be at your next change so you can find the solutions to your inquiries and make modifications effectively, since it sounds like your Audi doesn't know Phonak items genuine well. The remote and ICom are accessible for the Ambra's. On the off chance that nothing else go to phonak's site to discover. Great juck.

Gittje Originally Posted by goldenagecomics

I've had my Ambra MicroP BTEs a little more than seven days now... In the wake of perusing the majority of the posts in this string and numerous others on the discussion, and in the wake of counseling the audi, I put the accompanying projects in the manual openings: Acoustic Phone (DuoPhone), StereoZoom, ZoomControl (with myPilot control actuated), Music, Calm and quiet in space 6 (opening 6 is held just for the quiet component if initiated).

I have direct hearing misfortune and am experimenting with a few portable amplifiers since February this year. To begin with the Phonak Exelia Art, at that point the Widex 440 Clear and since June the Phonak Ambra MicroM.

At first the Audi just modified the programmed mode and included my demand music in the primary manual opening. Half a month later, having perused more about the guides, I made a request to program couple telephone, stereo zoom and solace.

Being unexperienced with writing computer programs Ambra's, my audi didn't recognize what I was requesting at first. At long last he discovered it, however disclosed to me that the Ambra MicroM just can have 3 extra projects. Presently the ball was in my court to be shocked in the wake of having perused many posts on this gathering where 5 tot 6 extra projects could be included.

Is it so the Ambra MicroM just has 3 manual openings to include particular projects? What's more, what's in store from the remote control Pilot One and the I-come. My audi didn't appear to discover them "unquestionable requirements"

Um bongo Originally Posted by notaguru

I'm truly appreciative for the information, which will upgrade Monday's meeting with the audi-of-the-day. This visit I plan to request a particular arrangement that incorporates the Phonak rep.I utilize an accuracy freq generator and free-air speaker to judge the execution of the fitting and of the guides, together (for adjust) and one guide at any given moment. The guides should sound much the same separately, and the sound source should seem, by all accounts, to be in the inside when both guides are ON. Alteration needs are really self-evident.

Ideally I'll find a few solutions in regards to the ICOM gadget, and furthermore will request the Sound Recover work.

Zoom? I never known about it.

As of now, the catches control volume, and I was informed that PROGRAM CONTROL is programmed. I speculate that it can be set so I have control over the program AND the volume, and will discover.

Now that is really trivial on a cutting edge help, as you'll get the input director doing it's nut and commotion crossing out executing the increase down at the recurrence you are measuring.

notaguru I'm truly appreciative for the information, which will upgrade Monday's meeting with the audi-of-the-day. This visit I plan to request a particular arrangement that incorporates the Phonak rep.

I utilize an accuracy freq generator and free-air speaker to judge the execution of the fitting and of the guides, together (for adjust) and one guide at any given moment. The guides should sound much the same independently, and the sound source should have all the earmarks of being in the inside when both guides are ON. Change needs are quite self-evident.

Ideally I'll find a few solutions with respect to the ICOM gadget, and furthermore will request the Sound Recover work.

Zoom? I never known about it.

Right now, the catches control volume, and I was informed that PROGRAM CONTROL is programmed. I presume that it can be set with the goal that I have control over the program AND the volume, and will discover.

carnutfl Have the Audi turn down the sound recuperate first. At that point under "fitting" go to quiet setting, Automatic change, discourse, and search for the condition "Empty and Boomy" Have that condition turned down no less than one score, perhaps two. My underlying setting was as yours and that is the thing that my audi did.

RoseRodent Well yesterday I felt free to began a trial with the Solana MicroP. What's more, it has affirmed my doubt that I am a characteristic self-developer, it is a genuine tie that the Target programming is so secured, I am irritated that I am essentially being made a request to pick between the best hearing instruments that I can't put my own inclinations onto or lesser innovation which I can control for myself.

So what I consider them up until this point: The audioshoe is exceptionally perfect in the way it appends, yet it covers the vast majority of the back of the listening device, so regardless of what shading you have picked, the most unmistakable piece of the HA is the shade of the audioshoe, just accessible in exhausting hues.

I detest the vaults. I kept going all of 2 hours before I jettisoned them and put my Siemens ones on them. They pretty much fit, however you do need to take them out pretty precisely not to wind up with a stuck vault. I'm certain the greater part of individuals don't care for impediment, yet it creates the impression that I do! I wore completely impeded forms through my youth and later wore ITE shell helps, I am utilized to impediment, and having a conductive segment it doesn't have an entire stack of effect to me at any rate, my voice dependably echoes in my mind

The tube shape is not a decent match to my ears, there's dependably a waggly bit left finished

In many projects it sounds like everybody is addressing me through a PA framework

Soundrecover I worship. Yes, I know, not intended for my sort of misfortune, but rather don't thump it till you've attempted it. Each one of those clamors that are agonizing and twisted even at 30dB are quite recently gone, no all the more strolling around feeling like I've been shot in the cerebrum with a BB firearm when somebody presses a catch on the ATM. I'm going to get me some a greater amount of that!! It was the principle reason I needed to attempt these portable hearing assistants however it's been let off in 3 alone for my 4 programs Soundrelax def appears to work, however not certain how fundamental it is contrasted with soundrecover cos boisterous commotions don't generally trouble me that much, the recurrence matters.

I can comprehend my little girl. That is practically extremely valuable, and in the event that we can make whatever remains of the instrument work out for me in different circumstances at that point that is a simple deal, I can address my daughter without anybody getting baffled.

With current programming I can't comprehend men. They seem like they have been suppressed first however then played back through an intensifier in a vast echoey room, so it's difficult to disclose to the audi, he says does it sound stifled or echoey - um, both! Any tips on what to do about that on thankfully got! Those beeps are an agony! I would prefer not to have NO beeps, yet the beeps are truly long, and they don't overlay the other sound, they quiet everthing until the point that it's finished beeping, that is truly irritating that on the off chance that you change program to show signs of improvement access to sound it really makes you miss several seconds while it plays a cheerful tune - is there an option where it will at present make some sort of affirmation that it's changed program however doesn't beep like a distraught thing? Particularly on come back to Soundflow Automatic, that is a loooooong tune - on the off chance that you expel the beeps is it still clear you changed program so you can check what number of you spun through?

I like the Zoomcontrol, and I think I favor it manual than programmed on the grounds that in the event that you have somebody each side of you and one is calm and one is uproarious I wager the auto zooms to the boisterous individual - possibly somebody with the Ambra or IX arrangement will affirm how that performs?

I really appear to have the capacity to make sense of where things are. I hear an alert and I took a gander at the auto with its blazing lights. Never happened, will be substantially more secure intersection the road now. Would love to hear a superior depiction of Stereozoom, it's the one thing about the Ambra that I find enticing, however the handout simply fiddle-faddles around the point that there is a system of microhphones that creates a bar - unless it will shoot lasers out at individuals (which sounds kinda cool!) that doesn't sound good to me.

Seeing audi again Monday, any proposals on how we can dispose of the "everybody is talking through an amplifier" sound? I am not somewhat troubled if stuff sounds "regular" or not, I've never had completely utilitarian hearing, I've worn amplifiers everlastingly, I dont' have any casing of reference for what "characteristic" sounds like, and it's significantly more essential to me that I get perceptibility. In the event that everybody sounds like a Cyberman yet I recognize what they are stating to me at that point that is totally fine by me, however the issue a few seconds ago is that it mutes up the sound quality. I think the issue for me with Target is that is begins with the possibility that you need things as normal as could be allowed, which is a decent beginning stage for late-stunned people and gentle misfortunes I'm certain, yet I'm very used to and very content with things sounding abnormal, I'd rather there was a case you could tick for "simply make it capable of being heard and hang the outcomes" and begin the fitting from that point.

JordanK Originally Posted by notaguru

Me, as well. What's more, my TV sound, by means of a Bluetooth transmitter. The iCom naturally changes to telephone when a call comes in, however how would I instruct it to switch between the portable PC and the TV? This evening I'm going by the VA and would like to find a solution... obviously, if there is one I'll post it here.

The iCom can associate with different gadgets in the meantime. My comprehension is that the telephone dependably takes need. So..if you are staring at the TV or tuning in to sound from the PC and a call comes in, the iCom will change to the telephone call. After the call is done, the iCom will change back to the exact opposite thing you were tuning in to.

The main way I am aware of to switch between gadgets is by means of the myPilot remote. When you are utilizing the iCom, the myPilot show demonstrates to you what gadget the iCom is associated with and I think you can cycle between different gadgets. I don't by and by discover the need to do this all the time. Run of the mill situation is that you are staring at the TV and a call comes in. The TV is hindered while you accept the call. After the call, the iCom consequently changes back to the TV.

Where I keep running into issues is the point at which I have both my iPhone and bluetooth empowered house telephone both associated with the iCom in the meantime. Since both are phones, the iCom some of the time gets stirred up. At the point when both telephones are associated and you are chatting on one of the telephones, the iCom is by all accounts sufficiently brilliant not to interfere with you when the other telephone rings. Once in a while when you hangup the primary telephone and after that get a call from the second telephone, the iCom doesn't reconnect to the second telephone naturally. It just occurs around 15-20% of the time and some days it never happens. I don't know why this happens and it might be my blame. Here is the situation. You are in your office with both your cell and land line telephones associated with the iCom and you have the iCom around your neck. You accept a call from your bluetooth landline telephone through the iCom and hangup following 15 minutes. You at that point stroll to the washroom down the corridor with the iCom around your neck associated with your cellphone (which is on your hip). When you return to your work area, the land line rings again and the iCom doesn't get the call. Its still associated with your wireless however you have strolled more than 30 feet far from the other telephone and when you stroll once more into scope of the land line telephone, perhaps it isn't savvy enough to reconnect. Killing the iCom/on fixes the issue. Not certain the iCom was truly intended to manage these sorts of complexities...hehehehe.

Jordan.

notaguru Originally Posted by TerryB

You ought to have the capacity to match both pieces in the meantime. The telephone ought to be associated, however not cornering the iCom until the point when a call arrives. I have my PC and telephone associated in the meantime.

Me, as well. Furthermore, my TV sound, by means of a Bluetooth transmitter. The iCom naturally changes to telephone when a call comes in, however how would I instruct it to switch between the portable workstation and the TV? This evening I'm going to the VA and would like to find a solution... obviously, if there is one I'll post it here.

TerryB You ought to have the capacity to combine both pieces in the meantime. The telephone ought to be associated, yet not hoarding the iCom until the point that a call arrives. I have my PC and telephone associated in the meantime.

Initially Posted by notaguru

TerryB said "3. The product of the iCom permits different associations. The telephone stays beat need"

Yes - I found that. In any case, I have not figured out how to change from PHONE to OTHER PAIRED BT, and between different BT inputs. Have you?

What's more, thank you for the complete reaction. I'll keep running over yonder today to check whether anybody can spell AMBRA. I am especially keen on the Sound Recover work, since enhancement alone does not help much with segregation. Furthermore, if there is a Book of Revelations for the audiologist, maybe they'll permit me a look at that blessed archive.

Once more, I'm thankful for the data. These guides are unquestionably a stage up from the ReSound Canta 7 they supplant, yet I'm certainly not utilizing their full advantage.

notaguru TerryB said "3. The product of the iCom permits various associations. The telephone stays beat need"

Yes - I found that. However, I have not figured out how to change from PHONE to OTHER PAIRED BT, and between different BT inputs. Have you?

Also, thank you for the far reaching reaction. I'll keep running over yonder today to check whether anybody can spell AMBRA. I am especially inspired by the Sound Recover work, since enhancement alone does not help much with segregation. What's more, if there is a Book of Revelations for the audiologist, maybe they'll permit me a look at that sacred report.

Once more, I'm thankful for the data. These guides are certainly a stage up from the ReSound Canta 7 they supplant, however I'm unquestionably not utilizing their full advantage.

TerryB Notaguru,

Here is the thing that I think I know:

1. Sound recoup IS fused into the accessible elements of the guides. It should be turned on and changed in accordance with your misfortune. It takes sounds from the chose recurrence upward and pack the recurrence heard in the guide. Mine are set to take frequencies over 5.6 kHz and pack 1.8 to 1. Which implies particularly that 1800 Hertz of range over 5.6 would be heard inside 1000 Hertz of yield.

2. I haven't any involvement with the twofold tap. Too bad.

3. The product of the iCom permits various associations. The telephone stays beat need so you ought to have the capacity to tune in to the TV, however in the event that the telephone rings, it should "cut in" until the point when the discussion is finished and when you hang up it should discharge from the telephone and backpedal to the TV. Since I tune in to TV acoustically, I can't vouch for this by and by.

4. The agreement amongst Phonak and the VA requires that you just compare with the VA. I attempted to contact Phonak on an inquiry and was alluded back to my VA audi. what's more, he was told of my transgression. Luckily my audi. is great and he was delicate with me.

I don't comprehend why they continue exchanging audis on you unless this is their plan for getting you the snappiest app't. In the event that you need to see a similar individual and expand on their experience, and so forth you may need to hold up longer to see them once more. When I saw my audi in February he was at that point booking appt's in April. I see him tomorrow and get new Full shell In The Ear Ambras.

Good fortunes to you.

Respects,

TerryB

notaguru Over 10 years of HOH, every single past guide were exorbitant by means of private audiologists, yet I simply fit the bill to get a couple of Ambra MicroP BTEs from the VA at no charge, HOWEVER:

Every VA visit is with an alternate audie, thus far nobody has seen these guides before so it's dependably an Easter Egg Hunt. That is particularly so with the ICOM.

Maybe somebody here can help me with the accompanying.

1. Is SoundRecover consolidated into these instruments? What would it be advisable for me to tell the audie-of-the-day in the event that I'd jump at the chance to attempt it?

2. In the ICOM, how might I execute the twofold tap to trigger REDIAL? It's depicted in the User Guide, which alludes me to the audie, obviously they have no clue.

3. In the ICOM, by what method would i be able to helpfully change from CELLPHONE BLUETOOTH to TELEVISION BLUETOOTH (I have a different TV Bluetooth transmitter). At the present time, I need to kill the telephone!

4. Is there a Customer Service asset at Phonak, or is client bolster entirely through the apportioning channel?

I like the Ambra helps a considerable measure, yet presume that my experience could be gigantically all the more fulfilling...

Much appreciated!!

carnutfl Save some cash and run with the 3 or 5 models of the Smart. Various elements of the model 9 are not usable with a bicros as a moment help, for example, Stereo zoom,auto zoom and duophone.

hearsme I had my third hearing test in the same number of weeks today it was recommended that I run for Spice 9 with bicros yet I've seen that theirs a 3 & a 5 so should I go for the 9 or will 3 or 5 fill in as great!

chatteremail I'm making a decent attempt to like the Smart S IX's, however so far I can't change the unnatural "buzz" from specific voices (I have Target programming and am truly adaptable with it). It's certainly an arrangement executioner; does any master here have some particular thoughts regarding what to take a gander at? (BTW, the Agil Pro's have no such issue).

mstrmac Originally Posted by mstrmac

Alright. I requested that my Audie clear up what really Phonak did to my HA'a and yes He said they swapped out the guides. He clarified that Phonak is the main organization that re-utilizes the underlying serial # doled out to a customer aside from when that guide is lost. On account of it being lost, another serial number is given. My Audie clarified that for bookkeeping and record keeping purposes the first serial number is carved on the new swapped Internals. My musings - >Maybe for my situation since i am still on a time for testing.

It has been clarified that HA's are not taken a shot at as far expelling and supplanting parts of the unit now-a-days more often than not, i envision particularly for the little Rite HA's the unit is just supplanted. My Audie manages no less than 5 HA brands and i dont think he is pulling my leg (more interesting methods of expression). So what do you think?

I ought to have kept my worries off the board and utilized private messages to the specialists here.

So i messaged Phonak straightforwardly and here is the reaction 1 hour later....

Dear Mr. McMaster:

Much obliged to you for going to the Phonak site and for your request. Your audiologist is right. On the off chance that a custom item is changed, it holds the first serial number. This empowers Phonak to track the total history of the item.

Much obliged to you,

xxxx xxxxxx

Phonak-US Consumer Desk xxxxxxxxxxx@phonak.com

Phonak LLC www.phonak-us.com

mstrmac Originally Posted by hearnow

The serial numbers continue as before paying little respect to repair. The main time it is swapped is if the entire guide is swapped over. I am ignorant of coding in the serial number, yet we have been getting 1049.... Generally as of late.

Alright. I requested that my Audie clear up what really Phonak did to my HA'a and yes He said they swapped out the guides. He clarified that Phonak is the main organization that re-utilizes the underlying serial # alloted to a customer with the exception of when that guide is lost. On account of it being lost, another serial number is given. My Audie clarified that for bookkeeping and record keeping purposes the first serial number is scratched on the new swapped Internals. My musings - >Maybe for my situation since i am still on a time for testing.

It has been clarified that HA's are not taken a shot at as far expelling and supplanting parts of the unit now-a-days more often than not, i envision particularly for the little Rite HA's the unit is just supplanted. My Audie manages no less than 5 HA brands and i dont think he is pulling my leg (more interesting methods of expression). So what do you think?

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

The serial numbers continue as before paying little respect to repair. The main time it is swapped is if the entire guide is swapped over. I am uninformed of coding in the serial number, however we have been getting 1049.... Generally as of late.

The year/month coding is the same over the sonova gathering: 1004 demonstrates a work from last April, and so forth. That is not quite the same as when they are delivered and the receipt date for guarantee.

hearnow Originally Posted by mstrmac

Inquisitive on the off chance that you can gather any information from those serial numbers like date of make, a coordinated set whatever.

I just recovered my guides today and checked the serial numbers to see of they changed the internals. Nope they didn't.

I expected to get the # 1 recipients wires since they were too long... sent back on the grounds that i have the delicate C-shells which is shaped around the beneficiaries. And..... the HA's and the PilotOne remote were likewise supposively sent back in light of my dissensions. Thought my Audie said they supplanted the Amps, may have misconstrued. Same serial numbers.

Gracious by the way when programming the remote you have to evacuate the battery to begin with, there is a notice yet its not extremely unmistakable. There was some kind of problem with it and was settled in light of the fact that it ended up plainly discontinuous or inert only a couple of times. Ideally all will be alright at this point.

I simply need all to be well and go my joyful way. Trialing HA's ought to be a simpler affair. @ $6000 its distressing, yet StereoZoom is a decent apparatus for me and justified, despite all the trouble i presume.

Much appreciated Hearnow

The serial numbers continue as before paying little mind to repair. The main time it is swapped is if the entire guide is swapped over. I am ignorant of coding in the serial number, however we have been accepting 1049.... Generally as of late.

mstrmac Originally Posted by hearnow

Those are your serial numbers

Inquisitive in the event that you can gather any data from those serial numbers like date of produce, a coordinated set whatever.

I just recovered my guides today and checked the serial numbers to see of they changed the internals. Nope they didn't.

I expected to get the # 1 beneficiaries wires since they were too long... sent back on the grounds that i have the delicate C-shells which is shaped around the recipients. And..... the HA's and the PilotOne remote were additionally supposively sent back as a result of my protests. Thought my Audie said they supplanted the Amps, may have misconstrued. Same serial numbers.

Goodness by the way when programming the remote you have to evacuate the battery in the first place, there is a notice yet its not extremely unmistakable. There was some kind of problem with it and was settled on the grounds that it wound up plainly irregular or inert only a couple of times. Ideally all will be alright at this point.

I simply need all to be well and go my happy way. Trialing HA's ought to be a simpler affair. @ $6000 its distressing, however StereoZoom is a decent instrument for me and justified, despite all the trouble i presume.

Much appreciated Hearnow

hearnow Those are your serial numbers

mstrmac To those Hearing guide pro's on the board an inquiry.

What do those numbers and letters mean inside the battery lodging?

1048 06c3.... left HA

1048 06ax.... right HA

Those are what is inside my Smart S Aids.

Much obliged

Welcome it.

mech29 Originally Posted by AMT

Would anyone be able to affirm if the mic volume on the Icom is flexible. Individuals experience difficulty hearing me through the Icom. I thought I read here somewhere that it was however my audi claims it is not and her phonak rep says it is definitely not.

much obliged

You must be near the telephone to get max volume,The guidelines likewise say to hold the mic near your mouth if the volume is low.

AMT Can anybody affirm if the mic volume on the Icom is customizable. Individuals experience difficulty hearing me through the Icom. I thought I read here somewhere that it was yet my audi claims it is not and her phonak rep says it is most certainly not.

much appreciated

mstrmac Originally Posted by mirong

Would you be able to please twofold check/affirm that? I was in my audi's office Wednesday, when he called Phonak Canada getting some information about this, and they don't know anything about it.

As indicated by my audi "The present firmware form for the Ambra and Solana SP listening devices is 1.1.4".

He's fitted a few Spices as of now, however I'll be his first (BI)CROS. He propose the Solana, since the additional Ambra highlights are a waste with a CROS.

Introductory fitting planned for Mar 2.

What my Audiologist revealed to me affirmed what others have said. With respect to my understanding.....

At the point when the PC goes online , if there is any product refreshes it will refresh either consequently or my your Audiologist's charge.

At whatever point your guides get wired to the product, Target will perceive any firmware refresh for your guides. I am not a master and don't know about CROS or BICROS HA's. Ask a board Audiologist your worries.

trust this makes a difference

mirong Originally Posted by mstrmac

My Audiologist checked for me this previous week and here is the thing that he composed:

"I checked with Phonak and the product redesign (he implies firmware refresh) just addresses one issue with just the Ambra portable amplifier, that being that a few clients were taking note of a "tweeting" quality to the sound which the product update addresses. Additionally, it includes the ability to utilize the Spice portable hearing assistants in a CROS or BICROS mode which does not make a difference to your design. So doubtlessly this product redesign is truly not pertinent to your portable hearing assistants (Smarts) the extent that I can tell. Expectation this gives some elucidation."

xxxxx xxxxxx, M.S. CCC-A

Audiologist, xxxxxxx

Would you be able to please twofold check/affirm that? I was in my audi's office Wednesday, when he called Phonak Canada getting some information about this, and they don't know anything about it.

As indicated by my audi "The present firmware variant for the Ambra and Solana SP listening devices is 1.1.4".

He's fitted a few Spices as of now, however I'll be his first (BI)CROS. He propose the Solana, since the additional Ambra highlights are a waste with a CROS.

Starting fitting booked for Mar 2.

cjlizzard jordanK and others. It is undoubtedly despicable that some audi's have not gained the programming ability required to legitimately fit the Smarts. at the point when an individual is spending the sort of cash that Phonak is asking its criminal that their purported proficient hasn't gotten broad preparing on the product to appropriately carry out the employment. In the event that it wasnt for the information I've picked up from this site i wouldnt be getting a large portion of the execution that I am now...simply unsatisfactory!!

doubledown Software "update" is an awesome open door for the producers to settle missed issues.

hearnow Sounds like a broken guide to me. Get it swapped out for another guide. I have fitted many these and still can't seem to experience what you are depicting.

mstrmac Third fitting. Thursday Feb 10

Needed to chip away at the Zoom projects to improve them work. Needed to affirm doubt that i require a shorter speaker wire which will occur after i really choose to purchase. Ensured we were on latest Target and firmware refresh.

Clarified that my iPhone might be the offender that is making an issue meddling with DuoPhone flag handling when i move the telephone around my ear. Utilized a companions Samsung flip telephone, worked fine with great lucidity. Have not settled what to do about this little issue.

Enlightened the Audie regarding an awkwardness, i was hearing a delicate low recurrence sound more in my left portable hearing assistant than my privilege. Likewise educated Audie that when i thump on a table the correct guide is fresh, higher and clear. The left is quieted and compacted sounding.

In any case, before we snared the guides i argued for my true serenity to ensure the coupling, and earmould numbers were inputed before running the criticism director. He ran the input mgr. again before beginning with my above concerns. Don't know whether it was done well the first run through.

So far after this session these portable hearing assistants are truly working extraordinary. There is a significant contrast from before yesterdays appt. So considerably less demanding tuning in. Music sounds better. Voices sound more characteristic and clear. I am currently contemplating turning the Soundrecover move down next fitting. Did not completely test the zoom programs much yet, but rather i hear change.

I was thinking how awesome my experience is this saturday while driving up the street with these Smarts. I was not agonizing over having them set up as well as can be expected be and stressing over supporting the cost. Thinking how agreeable they are.

At that point i chose to perceive how the zooms function while in my vehicle in various projects. While going through projects, my correct listening device wound up plainly stuck in one program again and did not react to my PilotOne remote. My remote was not distant. Pulled over and restarted Aid. This is the third time this occurred in four weeks. I ought not need to pay for this portable amplifier on the off chance that i choose to get the Phonak Smarts.

Has anybody had issues with your flavor helps not reacting to charges when pushing through projects, at that point rebooting them to make them go?

mstrmac Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Can any of the audis on this discussion affirm that Phonak has a firmware refresh for the Spice chips? On the off chance that that is the situation, what are the bugs it fixes?

My Audiologist checked for me this previous week and here is the thing that he composed:

"I checked with Phonak and the product redesign (he implies firmware refresh) just addresses one issue with just the Ambra portable amplifier, that being that a few clients were taking note of a "trilling" quality to the sound which the product overhaul addresses. Additionally, it includes the ability to utilize the Spice amplifiers in a CROS or BICROS mode which does not make a difference to your design. So no doubt this product overhaul is truly not applicable to your portable amplifiers (Smarts) the extent that I can tell. Expectation this gives some illumination."

xxxxx xxxxxx, M.S. CCC-A

Audiologist, xxxxxxx

Stratuscom Can any of the audis on this discussion affirm that Phonak has a firmware refresh for the Spice chips? On the off chance that that is the situation, what are the bugs it fixes?

JordanK These truly are magnificent portable amplifiers. I'm quite recently getting up to speed with every one of the notes in this dialog string and it's such a disgrace to see, to the point that there are still audiologists out there attempting to fit the Spice helps without legitimate preparing. It's practically similar to the part of the audiologist is changing from being a sound specialist to waiting be a PC software engineer. Some audiologists can't deal with the complexities of the Spice stage and the Target programming.

I simply completed around 3 months with these amplifiers I'm still amazingly satisfied.

JordanK

Micro Originally Posted by jwittenmyer

Miniaturized scale, what program do you use in the auto? I see our audiograms are comparable. Did your audi make any changes in accordance with get such great outcomes or simply allowed the Target-modified settings to sit unbothered?

At first, my audie practically left the programming on Target's default (as well as can be expected tell). Since I didn't have the remote yet, she gave me Direct Control Left and Right as a manual choice by squeezing the catch. I utilized Direct Control Right (Zoom Right) when driving, and it removed the street commotion originating from having the window so near my left side (and also clamor from the windshield and air vents in the dash). It additionally appeared to remove the majority of whatever is left of the consistent commotion from within the auto. I could then effectively comprehend individuals on my right side (and behind me), and the radio.

Amid the second fitting, I supplanted the Power Receiver on the correct favor a Standard Receiver for the sole reason that I couldn't keep it in my ear. Notwithstanding what tip I utilized, it would slide out. When she put the Standard Receiver in, with the open vault, that required doing REM once more, criticism supervisor, and reconstructing. She was in a surge, and it's not exactly as impeccable as the first run through around, yet I'm nit-picking.

Since I got the MyPilot at the same time, I changed the manual projects. Presently, I have Acoustic Phone in opening 1, trailed by Speech in Noise, Stereo Zoom, AutoZoom, and Music. Since I would now be able to do ZoomControl by means of the remote, I don't have Direct Control any more on the catches. Once in a while I wish I did. If I somehow managed to supplant something, it would be AutoZoom. I've had minimal use for that.

My Auto (SoundFlow) still works to a great degree well, so I abandon it there more often than not. In case I'm tuning in to gushed music by means of Droid X/iCom, I utilize the Music mode. I requested her to build the low frequencies volume, with the goal that sound is somewhat more full than the discourse modes. As I would see it, that mode is helpful ONLY for that gushed music. It's poor for whatever else, as one may anticipate.

When she reinvented the framework with the new collector, her worry was whether she could drive it enough to make it valuable for my listening ability misfortune on that side. In any case, surprisingly the correct side is somewhat louder than the left side. My mind has balanced, in spite of the fact that for the principal couple of days, I toyed with bringing down the volume on that side a score on the remote. I don't do that any more. (I'll have that balanced when I backpedal for what I think will be the last excursion.)

With the re-programming, I found that the foundation clamor end is not exactly as forceful as it used to be, so it relies upon where I'm sitting in the auto whether I utilize Speech in Noise or one of the Zoom bearings. I push through and see what removes the street clamor. I think it may rely upon where the clamor is originating from, also. Now and then, I can't tell, so I go through until the point when things are clearest. Up until now, paying little heed to where I'm situated or whose auto I'm in, I can discover a mode that works truly well (typically, one of the Zoom headings). I may say that (regardless of whether genuine or not I don't have the foggiest idea about) the more I abandon it in one mode in a particular situation, the better it works. I don't know whether it learns and enhances the preparing or some of it is in my mind, however that appears to work.

jwittenmyer Micro, what program do you use in the auto? I see our audiograms are comparable. Did your audi make any changes in accordance with get such great outcomes or simply allowed the Target-customized settings to sit unbothered?

Micro Originally Posted by DaisyD

Much obliged Roger for that data. That is the thing that I needed to hear that other individuals can hear in eateries and so on where these ones I am trialling are totally terrible. Twister Yasi couldn't have made more clamor than what these guides are making out in the open spots.

DaisyD:

I am truly sorry to learn (no quip expected) that you are having such trouble with your Spice helps. As somebody specified, it beyond any doubt sounds like you have to flame your audie.

I've had my Smart S IX's since early December, and I am just about as glad as anybody could be, PARTICULARLY in uproarious eateries, gatherings, and every one of the circumstances where (I know the greater part of you realize what I mean) I've gestured and acted to some degree inept for quite a long time. It is RARE for me to miss any piece of a discussion these days, in the most troublesome circumstances. Truth be told, I'll wager I can see superior to a man with idealize hearing, essentially in light of the fact that I have help with the preparing and centering and sifting that they don't have.

In an auto, when I select the correct program (it doesn't do this part naturally), the street commotion is basically gone, and radio or discussion is clear.

Despite everything i'm figuring out how best to utilize the MyPilot and iCom. Those were a battle as a result of me, not due to any glitch.

I can't represent distinctive hearing misfortunes or circumstances not the same as my own, yet I'm so inspired with the Spice preparing that I can just envision that anybody disappointed with these guides has not been fitted appropriately - I trust it's not the blame of the guides by any stretch of the imagination.

No, I don't work for Phonak. It's quite recently that I can hear once more, and I'm sufficiently satisfied that I, truly, prefer not to take the guides off during the evening.

Sparafucile I've been perusing the last couple of posts about the most up to date Phonaks, and I am ridiculously frustrated to peruse about the audiologists that you all have.

My audi was under-performing with Target and the Spice chips, and I have three weeks of damnation in fitting them, yet she knew enough to get the Phonak rep into her office and instruct the four audiologists about fitting Spice helps.

Also, moreover, she called me in late toward the evening, and had the rep utilize me as a preparation illustration.

Toward the finish of the fitting session, ALL of the input/reverberate/tweets and other sound ancient rarities were gone, and I would now be able to disclose to you that my Ambras are heavenly instruments! I trialed Oticon Agil Pros, and now that the Ambras are legitimately fitted there is no examination.

What I believe that you have to do is get your audi to bring in a Phonak rep and figure out how to fit them, or get another audi!

hearjoy Originally Posted by CryMeARiver

I have been attempting the Ambra Micro M's with open arches and thin tubes. I cannot start to depict how baffled I am. The audi just put the stereo zoom in one of the openings and the rest is programmed. Voices sound squaky or barky. On the primary day I saw stuttering however it doesn't appear to be as terrible at this point. The stereo zoom truly focuses in on discourse yet I cannot perceive what is being said. The voices are cruel and fairly echoey. I comprehend that maybe some adjusting or even a thin tip may offer assistance. I truly had high expectations.

Do any of you Audi's have thoughts for fitting these to my low recurrence/turn around treat nibble hearing misfortune?

I think I'll attempt the Agil Pro's next. I met somebody with comparable misfortune to mine and she has done amazingly well with the Agil's. I am additionally frustrated that I need to go up to a power help to get a t-curl. Why is Phonak so threatening to t-loops?

I am not an audi, but rather I likewise have bring down recurrence misfortune than a great many people on here. From what I comprehend, and from HA trials myself, the open vaults are not proper for your misfortune. They permit bring down frequencies to go through your ear unamplified. By and by, I would not utilize whoever gave them to you as your audi. You ought to be taking a gander at shut arches or custom molds or ITE.

jwittenmyer Got my fitting done today at long last. Keen IX with earthenware case. I truly like it up until this point. I think I require a bigger arch since they move outward after some time and I need to drive them back in. With my high-just misfortune, it's an inconspicuous change so I'll need to wear them for some time to give a decent assessment. My audi wouldn't program any of the program openings. She was pressing me up and inquired as to whether I needed whatever else, and I resembled... uhh.. better believe it. I need SteroZoom, AutoZoom, and Duophone. She acted like she'd never customized any of those things. I fundamentally needed to walk her through it. I consider what number of individuals she's fitted without giving them any projects...

jwittenmyer At the Audis. She can't discover Autozoom in the program director. Where is it? Offer assistance!

I took the mouse and made sense of it myself while she was on hold holding up to address Phonak.

CryMeARiver I have been attempting the Ambra Micro M's with open arches and thin tubes. I cannot start to depict how baffled I am. The audi just put the stereo zoom in one of the openings and the rest is programmed. Voices sound squaky or barky. On the main day I saw drawling however it doesn't appear to be as terrible at this point. The stereo zoom truly focuses in on discourse however I cannot perceive what is being said. The voices are unforgiving and to some degree echoey. I comprehend that maybe some calibrating or even a thin tip may offer assistance. I truly had high expectations.

Do any of you Audi's have thoughts for fitting these to my low recurrence/turn around treat chomp hearing misfortune?

I think I'll attempt the Agil Pro's next. I met somebody with comparable misfortune to mine and she has done to a great degree well with the Agil's. I am likewise disillusioned that I need to go up to a power help to get a t-curl. Why is Phonak so unpleasant to t-loops?

DaisyD Originally Posted by rogburr

I have had my Spice Smart IX helps for a little more than five weeks now and have observed them to be an emotional change hearing voices in eateries, fast food puts, my wellbeing club, and so forth. There is no examination between these guides and my past Oticon Epoqs, which are great guides in their own privilege. The Spice stage is an incredible sound processor with great voice assistance.

In any case, amid my unique fitting my audie neglected to tell the Target programming that I had the xP control recipients with custom molds. This came about, similar to you, in having colossal boisterous low recurrence clamor on the grounds that the product defaulted, I think, to an open fit tip. I backpedaled in two days and she changed the setting to xP which had magnificent outcomes; the noisy lows were no more. Amid this procedure she needed to enter in the numeric codes that are imprinted on the custom shape.

I have a more awful misfortune than you and have mucho influence with the xP beneficiary. Your SxP help just goes out to 5000 Hz while the xP goes out to 7200Hz and the general recipient goes out to 8800 Hz. That is the reason I have dependably avoided super power helps. Perhaps you are quite recently finished controlled and have some other fitting issues like I had with my first fitting. Anyway, you ought to be having MUCH preferable outcomes over you have portrayed. I say this not knowing you, but rather simply talking for the most part.

Perhaps you should attempt an alternate audiologist.

Roger

California

Much appreciated Roger for that data. That is the thing that I needed to hear that other individuals can hear in eateries and so forth where these ones I am trialling are totally repulsive. Typhoon Yasi couldn't have made more clamor than what these guides are making openly puts.

rogburr Originally Posted by DaisyD

For all you cheerful Spice wearers would you be able to please reveal to me the amount you can comprehend in a Restaurant or even at the nearby strip mall. I have been trialing Audeo S with SP collector and furthermore BTE Ambras and I am so baffled in the execution of both of these guides. I have quite recently rolled in from a Restaurant (and there was not a lot of commotion for hearing individuals) and I couldn't comprehend single word that was said to me. Not even the individual sitting alongside me nor the individual inverse. The zoom and stereo did literally nothing. I went to the Supermarket yesterday and I couldn't hear what the "checkout chick" was stating either. I am not by any means that awed with either the Audeos or Ambras in a peaceful situtation yet today around evening time the foundation clamor was recently awful. Not certain whether it is my Audies naiveté and absence of information of these Aids or whether it is the standard with so much foundation clamor going on. It sounds like 10 fly planes taking off. I am that near returning both arrangements of Aids and staying with my Phonak micropowers. I can hear and see a lot more with the micropowers than I can with these new ones.

I have had my Spice Smart IX helps for a little more than five weeks now and have observed them to be an emotional change hearing voices in eateries, fast food puts, my wellbeing club, and so on. There is no correlation between these guides and my past Oticon Epoqs, which are great guides in their own particular right. The Spice stage is an extraordinary sound processor with awesome voice assistance.

In any case, amid my unique fitting my audie neglected to tell the Target programming that I had the xP control recipients with custom molds. This came about, similar to you, in having gigantic uproarious low recurrence commotion in light of the fact that the product defaulted, I think, to an open fit tip. I backpedaled in two days and she changed the setting to xP which had brilliant outcomes; the uproarious lows were no more. Amid this procedure she needed to enter in the numeric codes that are imprinted on the custom shape.

I have a more terrible misfortune than you and have mucho influence with the xP collector. Your SxP help just goes out to 5000 Hz while the xP goes out to 7200Hz and the standard recipient goes out to 8800 Hz. That is the reason I have dependably avoided super power helps. Perhaps you are quite recently finished fueled and have some other fitting issues like I had with my first fitting. Anyway, you ought to be having MUCH preferred outcomes over you have portrayed. I say this not knowing you, but rather simply talking by and large.

Possibly you should attempt an alternate audiologist.

Roger

California

doubledown In arrange not to capture this string I've posted my answer here.

xbulder Originally Posted by DaisyD

For all you glad Spice wearers might you be able to please disclose to me the amount you can comprehend in a Restaurant or even at the nearby mall. I have been trialing Audeo S with SP collector and furthermore BTE Ambras and I am so disillusioned in the execution of both of these guides. I have quite recently rolled in from a Restaurant (and there was not a lot of clamor for hearing individuals) and I couldn't comprehend single word that was said to me. Not even the individual sitting beside me nor the individual inverse. The zoom and stereo did literally nothing. I went to the Supermarket yesterday and I couldn't hear what the "checkout chick" was stating either. I am not by any stretch of the imagination that inspired with either the Audeos or Ambras in a peaceful situtation yet today around evening time the foundation clamor was quite recently appalling. Not certain whether it is my Audies naiveté and absence of learning of these Aids or whether it is the standard with so much foundation clamor going on. It sounds like 10 fly planes taking off. I am that near returning both arrangements of Aids and staying with my Phonak micropowers. I can hear and see a lot more with the micropowers than I can with these new ones.

go and have a go at something your audi is very involvement with!

hearnow Originally Posted by DaisyD

For all you cheerful Spice wearers might you be able to please disclose to me the amount you can comprehend in a Restaurant or even at the neighborhood mall. I have been trialing Audeo S with SP collector and furthermore BTE Ambras and I am so frustrated in the execution of both of these guides. I have recently rolled in from a Restaurant (and there was not a lot of commotion for hearing individuals) and I couldn't comprehend single word that was said to me. Not even the individual sitting alongside me nor the individual inverse. The zoom and stereo did literally nothing. I went to the Supermarket yesterday and I couldn't hear what the "checkout chick" was stating either. I am not so much that awed with either the Audeos or Ambras in a peaceful situtation yet today around evening time the foundation commotion was quite recently loathsome. Not certain whether it is my Audies freshness and absence of information of these Aids or whether it is the standard with so much foundation clamor going on. It sounds like 10 fly planes taking off. I am that near returning both arrangements of Aids and staying with my Phonak micropowers. I can hear and see a lot more with the micropowers than I can with these new ones.

Your audi needs to check the recurrence reaction of you micropowers and ensure you are getting a comparative reaction from the new guides utilizing genuine ear measurements.I have fitted countless new SPICE run helps at this point and have not met a solitary individual who favored their past innovation over the new. At first the SPICE go was precarious to set up effectively, however once you know the product and the item well, the result is quite often great. With the micropowers additionally being from Phonak, you should show signs of improvement reaction from the more current guides if set accurately. You and I have PM'd regularly and I comprehend your circumstance superior to most here, however it is not my place to make any of that data open however.

The inquiry one needs to ask is, whether you are so content with you micropower's the reason would you say you are thinking about a change?

glucas Two words for your audie:

"You're terminated" !

DaisyD For all you cheerful Spice wearers might you be able to please reveal to me the amount you can comprehend in a Restaurant or even at the nearby strip mall. I have been trialing Audeo S with SP collector and furthermore BTE Ambras and I am so frustrated in the execution of both of these guides. I have quite recently rolled in from a Restaurant (and there was not a lot of clamor for hearing individuals) and I couldn't comprehend single word that was said to me. Not even the individual sitting alongside me nor the individual inverse. The zoom and stereo did literally nothing. I went to the Supermarket yesterday and I couldn't hear what the "checkout chick" was stating either. I am not so much that inspired with either the Audeos or Ambras in a peaceful situtation however today around evening time the foundation commotion was quite recently frightful. Not certain whether it is my Audies naiveté and absence of information of these Aids or whether it is the standard with so much foundation commotion going on. It sounds like 10 fly planes taking off. I am that near returning both arrangements of Aids and staying with my Phonak micropowers. I can hear and see a great deal more with the micropowers than I can with these new ones.

mirong Hi everyone, New client here, long-term HA client. At present on Phonak Exelia (BICROS), just shy of 3 years. The one thing I "abhor" about it, that in CROS/BICROS mode it loses the majority of its advanced capacities, it pretty much turns into a simple HA. So you can envision that I'm perusing this entire SPICE string with awesome intrigue. In the event that the BICROS can genuinely work, do zooming and so on., that would be awesome. I've requested that my audi "bring it on", so I'll perceive how that truly goes... Here, in Vancouver BC, simply this week, Phonak had a major introduction for all the nearby audis on SPICE and so forth. (With the exception of Island Hearing, which is claimed by Phonak).

mstrmac Originally Posted by xbulder

the new phonak shell cover for their new bte's looks encouraging..

I have been debating swapping my Smart S nine's for the Ceramic cases. I have perused the Phonak information about it and read your other post concerning it. Would you be able to expound why i should. I know they don't cost more than the plastic cases. Attempting to legitimize giving my Audie a justifiable reason other than why not. Its most likely more cost proficient assembling savvy, however i cannot clarify why. Presumably all the excellent models and hues will be standard in earthenware material soon.

xbulder the new phonak shell cover for their new bte's looks encouraging..

doubledown but I would envision for most likely an astonishing number of clients with just a single useful ear, this is a feasible choice.

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

Don't know yet. Smaller than usual dispatch planned for tomorrow. Conflicts with the opening session of the 6-Nations, so you'll need to work out which one I'm going to......

I have the rep booked in one week from now so I'll know at that point.

Much obliged to you & enjou the Rugby

Kadougan One critical note. I have had issues with customers and the "information learning" work. In the Audeo S Smart V and Ambra fittings the product defaults to information learning. This implies as the customer is getting to be noticeably used to the listening devices and testing, the progressions they make are influencing the programming of the portable amplifiers PERMANENTLY. I was having poor achievement when I initially beginning fitting these and frequently had reports that "they worked extremely well for 2 or 3 days yet have been awful since". I would unequivocally suggest debilitating the information learning for information logging at first fit (information logging just records the progressions for the fitter to see however does not roll out improvements to the programming). Information Learning could be re-connected with at a later arrangement at the customer/fitter's caution.

Kadougan Originally Posted by Um bongo

C'mon Kev, everyone needs to twiddle

There's most likely a touch of being green about the product and not understanding the part of the underlying criticism director rush to set the pick up.

You require the audiologist to have the capacity to make changes, else will hit a block divider when you returned with a slight issue. IMHO with the Spice individuals are being somewhat awkward with the principal alter.

Shouldn't need to alter excessively at first fit when the FB administrator is likewise considering a RECD estimation. Not certain what individuals need. From my perspective as a fitter I need however many controls and alternatives as could be allowed when I fit a listening device. Not that I will make each modification accessible but rather it's decent to know you're capable. It appears to be some would rather that the makers have just a major "Simple" catch in their product that plays out a "best fit" and abandon it at that. We as a whole realize that not very many customers wind up at "best fit" settings before the finish of their trial. Similarly as with whatever else compelling correspondence is required between the customer and fitter. The fitter must make inquiries that truly get to the base of the issue, make alterations in light of their discoveries AND comprehend the upsides and downsides of any modification they make (ideally conveying them to the client).

As dependably Um Bongo your posts may be... Unadulterated Genius.

Um bongo Originally Posted by doubledown

I figured this. In any case, for knowing and the way that it's so natural to attempt (I don't think asking a kindred listening device client to cover one ear is asking excessively). I need to know whether stereozoom and zoomcontrol is usable by a man with one great ear utilizing 2 completely practical guides.

An extremely straightforward test. You bring a man with 2 completely utilitarian zest helps which this board has a great deal of. Put both guides on and after that turn on stereozoom or zoomcontrol. pull the speaker of one guide out of one ear and cover that ear. At that point check whether on the ear for which the speaker is not hauled out check whether these components work fine. Hello we may gain some new useful knowledge about these elements. By doing this we will learn if a man with one great ear can really utilize 2 completely practical guides. May not be a commonsense arrangement but rather in any event we know it's a choice.

BiCROS works in an unexpected way. You'll require the flag channeled from both ears to the one great ear all the time generally your cerebrum won't have the capacity to set up the spatial field.

On account of the Spice circuit (in two-sided mode) it won't give adequate force to the contradicting ear to give you a decent reference, however the deferral may be sufficiently exact to give you flag area. It will be putting out most of the sound on the wrong side which won't help by any means.

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

I am trusting that this will prompt better achievement rates for this ppopulation, which beforehand needed to make due with extensive and frequently insufficient arrangements.

I trust the exchange mic is substantially less expensive than a total hearing instrument however, as you could fudge this arrangement since the CORE stage turned out, yet the customer would have needed to purchase two the maximum instruments to accomplish this, which was by and large unworkable. Might you be able to accommodate if the mic is less expensive Um Bongo?

Don't know yet. Scaled down dispatch planned for tomorrow. Conflicts with the opening session of the 6-Nations, so you'll need to work out which one I'm going to......

I have the rep booked in one week from now so I'll know at that point.

Micro Originally Posted by doubledown

I figured this. In any case, for knowing and the way that it's so natural to attempt (I don't think asking a kindred portable hearing assistant client to cover one ear is asking excessively). I need to know whether stereozoom and zoomcontrol is usable by a man with one great ear utilizing 2 completely utilitarian guides.

An exceptionally basic test. You bring a man with 2 completely useful zest helps which this board has a great deal of. Put both guides on and after that turn on stereozoom or zoomcontrol. pull the speaker of one guide out of one ear and cover that ear. At that point check whether on the ear for which the speaker is not hauled out check whether these components work fine. Hello we may discover some new information about these elements.

By doing this we will learn if a man with one great ear can really utilize 2 completely practical guides. May not be a handy arrangement but rather at any rate we know it's a choice.

I don't know what you're attempting to see by this test; be that as it may, I did it. In any of the zoom modes, each of the four receivers are bolstering sound to both sides, contingent upon what course you've requested.

I went to zoom left and expelled the left guide from my ear. I could hear in my correct ear. I rubbed the amplifiers on my correct ear (inverse the zoom heading) and I couldn't hear the rubbing; be that as it may, when I rubbed the mouthpieces on the left guide, I could obviously hear that in my correct ear.

It's anything but difficult to do that test without expelling your guide or covering your ear. When you can rub on an amplifier on one side (with zoom mode) and hear that in the inverse ear, the remote association between the two is entirely self-evident.

Is that what you were searching for?

doubledown Originally Posted by hearnow

At the point when just a single portable amplifier is chosen amid fitting, the binaural projects i.e. StereoZoom, ZoomControl and DuoPhone are not accessible for determination.

I figured this.

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

It would appear that somewhat of a stage forward for the wearers, having a steerable directional example utilizing only one ear will be an extensive accomplishment.

Kind of takes portable amplifiers from being simply strolling sticks to enhancing the bionic capacity of the patient.

I am trusting that this will prompt better achievement rates for this ppopulation, which already needed to make due with substantial and frequently incapable arrangements.

I trust the exchange mic is substantially less expensive than a total hearing instrument however, as you could fudge this arrangement since the CORE stage turned out, yet the customer would have needed to purchase two the maximum instruments to accomplish this, which was for the most part unworkable. Might you be able to accommodate if the mic is less expensive Um Bongo?

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

Not yet, most likely about mid Feb. The CROSS/BI-CROSS sounds energizing.

It would appear that somewhat of a stage forward for the wearers, having a steerable directional example utilizing only one ear will be a significant deed.

Kind of takes listening devices from being simply strolling sticks to enhancing the bionic capacity of the patient.

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

Have they discharged the CROS/BiCROS adaptation with you yet?

Evidently the Stereozoom will at present be a choice, which for add up to one-sided misfortunes will be a gigantic jump forward.

Not yet, likely about mid Feb. The CROS/BI-CROS sounds energizing.

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

At the point when just a single listening device is chosen amid fitting, the binaural projects i.e. StereoZoom, ZoomControl and DuoPhone are not accessible for determination.

Have they discharged the CROS/BiCROS adaptation with you yet?

Evidently the Stereozoom will at present be an alternative, which for add up to one-sided misfortunes will be a huge jump forward.

hearnow Originally Posted by doubledown

http://www.hearingaidforums.com/show...9&postcount=12

Would anybody be able to with binaural elements turned on please test to check whether a man with one practical ear can really utilize this element. Possibly take one of your guides and haul the speaker out of your ear and perhaps attempt to conceal a similar ear and check whether you can utilize the binaural elements with the other portable amplifier? I would envision that stereozoom would work fine and zoomcontrol will work just on the off chance that you guide the sound to the ear with the speaker connected to it. much appreciated

At the point when just a single listening device is chosen amid fitting, the binaural projects i.e. StereoZoom, ZoomControl and DuoPhone are not accessible for determination.

doubledown Can anyone with binaural elements turned on please test

Sparafucile Originally Posted by doubledown

Acquit if this was at that point clarified. I comprehend the stereozoom makes a bar shape receiver with the 4 mouthpieces to catch sound. so is the sound created the same for both guides? so in a way it's mono and not stereo?

StereoZoom is a barely centered shaft forward of the listening devices, and discourse is heard in both ears. ZoomControl in Auto mode gives concentrate on discourse from any heading and "mixes" discourse into both ears. It would then be able to be changed from Auto mode into a directional mode into any of four headings; the discourse is heard in both ears. You should have the myPilot.

doubledown Pardon if this was at that point clarified.

Luga Originally Posted by davidbarry

You know, truly, I couldn't think about a more baffling occupation than being an audi. So such a variety of things to stress over, modify, learn. And after that you have individuals like us with all our idiosyncracies and pet peeves...takes such persistence and, shockingly, some don't have much. Be that as it may, on the opposite side it must be exceptionally remunerating when you are truly ready to help some person to hear plainly and contribute so incredibly to a patient's enhanced personal satisfaction.

Well said! Will convey this post to my audie when I request my cases to be traded...

lol

davidbarry Originally Posted by German

Exceptionally decent. I need to choose in the following days.

My sound requested the dark chrome for me and the fitting was finished by phonak-sound.

I could rise the pulse of my sound on the off chance that I change to the clay smarts now.

You know, truly, I couldn't think about a more disappointing occupation than being an audi. So such a variety of things to stress over, modify, learn. And after that you have individuals like us with all our idiosyncracies and pet peeves...takes such tolerance and, sadly, some don't have much. In any case, on the opposite side it must be exceptionally compensating when you are truly ready to help some person to hear obviously and contribute so extraordinarily to a patient's enhanced personal satisfaction.

German Very pleasant. I need to choose in the following days.

My sound requested the dark chrome for me and the fitting was finished by phonak-sound.

I could rise the circulatory strain of my sound on the off chance that I change to the artistic smarts now.

sgogeta4 Ohh, looks provocative! I ponder when they'll get these in! I'm envious since I quite recently got mine!!

mstrmac The Phonak Smart S has changed. New Ceramic case.http://www.phonak.com/com/b2b/en/pro...t/ceramic.html

TerryB I settled on in the ear in light of the fact that the BTE continued getting closed around sweat dampness getting imto the battery.

TerryB

Um bongo Originally Posted by sgogeta4

What precisely are the upsides and downsides of each of these frame components?

Like NayTatas stated, you can profit by less impediment with less "item" in your ear, the greater BTE's will have more yield. The ITE's are reasonable for individuals who don't need anything over the ear.

Everything relies upon how terrible your misfortune is joined with the qualities of your misfortune, the physical state of your ear and the style you lean toward.

NayTatas I'll give the Senior individuals a chance to give a superior reaction, however for me, my Audi suggested the RIC in light of the fact that my listening ability misfortune is direct. I trust the RIC will take into account more regular sounds to be heard and eliminated the impediment.

sgogeta4 What precisely are the advantages and disadvantages of each of these shape variables?

Um bongo Originally Posted by NayTatas

Would someone be able to clarify the distinction between Phonak's Audeo Smart IX and the Ambra line both on he Spice stage? Both appear to have a similar innovation.

It's what producers call 'frame figure', or to us insignificant mortals - the shape.

The Audeos are the rendition with the speaker outwardly in what's known as a RIC (Receiver in waterway) and the Ambra's have the speaker within in both the BTE (behind the ear) and ITE (in the Ear) variants.

The chip is the same in both.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by hearnow

Target has a repair hearing ais butoon that can deal with issues like this on the spot. It transpired of my fittings and the catch settled it.

I wish my audi would have realized that. We could have attempted it before he sent it off.

NayTatas Can somebody clarify the contrast between Phonak's Audeo Smart IX and the Ambra line both on he Spice stage? Both appear to have a similar innovation.

hearnow Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Bummer...

I went in for one basic snappy setting change today to my Ambras and keeping in mind that the portable amplifiers were associated with the PC the correct guide gave the low battery flag at that point quit. At first I couldn't motivate it to return on (after new battery), and afterward when it came back it wouldn't associate with the PC. We attempted the iCube and Hi-Pro with no good fortune. It's currently on its approach to Phonak for repair. Exactly when things were going so well.

Target has a repair hearing ais butoon that can deal with issues like this on the spot. It transpired of my fittings and the catch settled it.

Stratuscom Bummer...

I went in for one basic snappy setting change today to my Ambras and keeping in mind that the amplifiers were associated with the PC the correct guide gave the low battery flag at that point quit. At first I couldn't inspire it to return on (after new battery), and after that when it came back it wouldn't interface with the PC. We attempted the iCube and Hi-Pro with no good fortune. It's currently on its approach to Phonak for repair. Exactly when things were going so well.

goldenagecomics Originally Posted by gmlr

My central issue is: do you truly have "typical" discussions on "ordinary" clamor places like in the auto, eatery or in the road? I have to know the truth...thanks ahead of time.

As is commonly said, "your mileage may change" as for your HA experience, and this is valid as everybody hears in an unexpected way. Having said that, the Ambras I am presently utilizing make a decent showing with regards to in places with "ordinary" clamor as you depict. The "StereoZoom" highlight is especially powerful in these settings.

gmlr Originally Posted by AMT

I got a couple of Audeo S Smarts about seven days prior thus far things are great...big change over the old h/a's. I have gone from fearing day by day gatherings since I couldn't hear most discussions in the space to having the capacity to effectively take an interest in the discussions and hearing everything plainly. Indeed, even need to advise the spouse to stop hollering at me all the time I can hear her.

Two or three inquiries when sitting in front of the television it appears to be somewhat quieted are the guides obstructing the television or treating it like back ground clamor. Would it be advisable for me to utilize the music program or some other program for television?

Has anybody had achievement utilizing a two route radio with icom appears like a postponement with icom grabbing the radio sound.

When I go exterior sounds like I am in a typhoon, I think we neglected to turn twist hinder on of something. I should register with that.

Other astute extremely content with the new guides and the open arches are exceptionally agreeable to wear I need to continue verifying whether I lost one.

Phil

May I know your audiogram? Much obliged (will attempt my first guides ever Audeo S Smart IX as well).

This is my audiogram

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gmlr Originally Posted by goldenagecomics

I met with my audi today and had the iCom gushing system balanced. He included a few lows and mids and somewhat diminished the highs. We are moving the correct way to getting a more normal and full stable from the iCom when gushing music (bluetooth from iPhone) and TV sound with TV Link.

I've had my Ambra MicroP BTEs a little more than seven days now and am exceptionally satisfied. I have the iCom, TVLink and myPilot and have been exceptionally inspired with the execution in an assortment of settings. In the wake of perusing the majority of the posts in this string and numerous others on the discussion, and in the wake of counseling the audi, I put the accompanying projects in the manual openings: Acoustic Phone (DuoPhone), StereoZoom, ZoomControl (with myPilot control initiated), Music, Calm and quiet in space 6 (opening 6 is held just for the quiet element if actuated). I end up being extremely happy with the Auto program, yet regularly change to StereoZoom, which is my most loved manual program up until now. Other than the iCom changes specified above, I keep on using the default settings for every single other program, including Auto.

I am additionally extremely satisfied with the bluetooth usefulness between my iPhone 4, iCom and HAs. Everybody who has tuned in to my sound through the iCom mouthpiece amid a telephone call has been complimentary and say that it sounds much superior to anything the Streamer I utilized with my past Oticon Epoq BTEs. My lone objection so far is that the iCom battery does not have extraordinary life and will require re-charging at any rate once every day, and possibly more on the off chance that you are investing a great deal of energy gushing music and TV. I will likewise call attention to that I have worn the iCom underneath my shirt and tie, and the sound reports while on the telephone have been great. Along these lines, it's conceivable to go into "stealth mode" with the iCom.

I am new to the Ambras however would be happy to answer any questios that anybody on the discussion may have about these HAs, particularly in the event that you are pondering putting resources into this extraordinary innovation.

I plan to backpedal to the audi in up to 14 days to do somewhat more tweaking on the iCom and maybe in the Music manual program.

Hi "goldenagecomics", I am extremely upbeat for you. I have attempted to be fitted with Phonak Audeo S Smart IX without progress. Audi hadn

goldenagecomics Originally Posted by Stratuscom

There is additionally an approach to bring down the portable amplifier receiver volume while gushing with the iCom utilizing the MyPilot. Past entries on this string and other iCom strings examine these issues.

See string 9032. I attempted to present the HTMl connect on it yet I figure as a "Lesser Member" it won't let me.

lazyh2 Originally Posted by Stratuscom

When utilizing spilling sound with the iCom, the listening devices return to the past mode if gushing stops for 5 seconds. On the off chance that gushing is originating from the TVLink or a FM remote receiver, it returns to the past mode following 60 seconds. The deferral in sound spilling when a radio transmission starts again makes two-way radio discussion inconceivable. In any case, you can bolt sound gushing by squeezing the iCom catch and at the same time squeezing the iCom off catch. It takes a little practice.

That is extraordinary. It chipped away at the primary attempt. How could you locate that out?

Much obliged.

JordanK Originally Posted by goldenagecomics

2. After a telephone call today with my iPhone 4, the iPod program started spilling music after the call was finished. This was a significant amazement. Is there a setting that would keep the programmed enactment and spilling of music?

I have a similar issue with my iCom and the Spice Smart IXs. It kinda makes me insane in light of the fact that I regularly utilize the iCom to chat on the telephone around 2-3 hours per day. I have done a wide range of seeking on the web and this has all the earmarks of being an Apple iPhone bug versus an issue with the iCom. From what I can assemble, it occurs with numerous outsider bluetooth headsets and sound gadgets. Take a stab at seeking on "iphone plays music without anyone else" or "iphone plays music out of the blue"

In the event that somebody makes sense of this, please let me know.

Jordan.

AMT Stratuscom ....thanks for the tip so in the event that I comprehend it right in the event that I connect my radio to the icom and hold the icom catch and off catch it will stream persistently, will it do this throughout the day till I turn it off or will it deplete the battery rapidly.

Phil

Stratuscom Originally Posted by AMT

Has anybody had achievement utilizing a two route radio with icom appears like a postponement with icom getting the radio sound.

When utilizing gushing sound with the iCom, the listening devices return to the past mode if spilling stops for 5 seconds. On the off chance that gushing is originating from the TVLink or a FM remote amplifier, it returns to the past mode following 60 seconds. The deferral in sound gushing when a radio transmission starts again makes two-way radio discussion unthinkable. Be that as it may, you can bolt sound gushing by squeezing the iCom catch and at the same time squeezing the iCom off catch. It takes a little practice.

There is additionally an approach to bring down the portable amplifier mouthpiece volume while spilling with the iCom utilizing the MyPilot. Past entries on this string and other iCom strings talk about these issues.

AMT I got a couple of Audeo S Smarts about seven days back thus far things are great...big change over the old h/a's. I have gone from fearing day by day gatherings since I couldn't hear most discussions in the space to having the capacity to effectively partake in the discussions and hearing everything obviously. Indeed, even need to advise the spouse to stop hollering at me all the time I can hear her.

Two or three inquiries when sitting in front of the television it appears to be somewhat quieted are the guides hindering the television or treating it like back ground commotion. Would it be a good idea for me to utilize the music program or some other program for television?

Has anybody had achievement utilizing a two path radio with icom appears like a deferral with icom getting the radio sound.

When I go exterior sounds like I am in a tropical storm, I think we neglected to turn twist obstruct on of something. I should register with that.

Other insightful exceptionally content with the new guides and the open vaults are extremely agreeable to wear I need to continue verifying whether I lost one.

Phil

goldenagecomics I met with my audi today and had the iCom gushing project balanced. He included a few lows and mids and somewhat diminished the highs. We are moving the correct way to getting a more characteristic and full stable from the iCom when spilling music (bluetooth from iPhone) and TV sound with TV Link.

I've had my Ambra MicroP BTEs a little more than seven days now and am extremely satisfied. I have the iCom, TVLink and myPilot and have been extremely inspired with the execution in an assortment of settings. Subsequent to perusing the greater part of the posts in this string and numerous others on the gathering, and in the wake of counseling the audi, I put the accompanying projects in the manual spaces: Acoustic Phone (DuoPhone), StereoZoom, ZoomControl (with myPilot control enacted), Music, Calm and quiet in opening 6 (space 6 is saved just for the quiet component if initiated). I end up being exceptionally happy with the Auto program, yet regularly change to StereoZoom, which is my most loved manual program up until now. Other than the iCom modifications said above, I keep on using the default settings for every single other program, including Auto.

I am additionally exceptionally satisfied with the bluetooth usefulness between my iPhone 4, iCom and HAs. Everybody who has tuned in to my sound through the iCom amplifier amid a telephone call has been complimentary and say that it sounds much superior to anything the Streamer I utilized with my past Oticon Epoq BTEs. My exclusive grievance so far is that the iCom battery does not have extraordinary life and will require re-charging at any rate once every day, and perhaps more in the event that you are investing a great deal of energy gushing music and TV. I will likewise call attention to that I have worn the iCom underneath my shirt and tie, and the sound reports while on the telephone have been great. Thus, it's conceivable to go into "stealth mode" with the iCom.

I am new to the Ambras however would be happy to answer any questios that anybody on the gathering may have about these HAs, particularly in the event that you are considering putting resources into this incredible innovation.

I plan to backpedal to the audi in possibly 14 days to do somewhat more tweaking on the iCom and maybe in the Music manual program.

sgogeta4 Awesome string, I'm certainly must rehash this string when I have my new HAs. I just returned from the audi and will get my new Phonak Audeo S Smart IX HAs in a couple of days. So energized!

goldenagecomics Originally Posted by Stratuscom

1. I had this issue after the audi balanced a portion of the projects for the iCom physically. Full stable returned when we reset them to the Target suggested settings.

2. This transpires additionally with my iPhone 4. I find that if the iPod program is still in memory it will begin playing after a telephone call even it I have already set it on delay.

3. The Speech-in-Noise has more forceful clamor crossing out in SoundFlow then when modified in manual; thusly I have let it well enough alone for a manual opening.

4. I have SoundFlow (the programmed program) changed to give better discourse understanding. In light of this I had "Quiet" modified in manual set to the Target prescribed settings when I need to hear more full sounds and am not worried about discourse appreciation.

That is exceptionally useful. A debt of gratitude is in order for your remarks. I should make sure to expel the iPod application from memory after I utilize it.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by goldenagecomics

Presently for my inquiries:

1. When gushing from the TV Link to the iCom and HAs, the sound is extremely tinny, with almost no bass. I have seen the same with my iPhone gushing music through the iCom. Are there any prescribed changes to give the sound more bass (a more full, wealthier sound)?

2. After a telephone call today with my iPhone 4, the iPod program started spilling music after the call was finished. This was a significant astonishment. Is there a setting that would keep the programmed actuation and gushing of music?

3. I had Sound in Noise left off the program list the same number of here did not think that its exceptionally helpful. Any remarks with respect to whether I ought to at any rate have it included a void opening to attempt?

4. Does anybody see an advanteage to utilizing the "Quiet" program as a manual choice?

I'm certain I will have different inquiries as I keep on using these new HAs and value everybody's info.

1. I had this issue after the audi balanced a portion of the projects for the iCom physically. Full stable returned when we reset them to the Target prescribed settings.

2. This transpires likewise with my iPhone 4. I find that if the iPod program is still in memory it will begin playing after a telephone call even it I have already put it on stop.

3. The Speech-in-Noise has more forceful commotion scratching off in SoundFlow then when modified in manual; accordingly I have let it well enough alone for a manual space.

4. I have SoundFlow (the programmed program) changed to give better discourse understanding. On account of this I had "Quiet" customized in manual set to the Target prescribed settings when I need to hear more full sounds and am not worried about discourse cognizance.

goldenagecomics Originally Posted by TerryB

I'm confounded about you remark on spilling of music on your ipod after you completed the process of chatting on the iphone. The iCom can combine to a few diverse Bluetooth gadgets and telephone is most astounding need. The iPod would need to have been transmitting the music for the iCom to lift it up after the call finished and send it to you. There is nothing that I am aware of in the iCom to peush the iPod begin playing.

TerryB

I don't know why it began playing the music. I was utilizing the iCom to make a call with my iPhone 4. I had not been playing music (truth be told, I had not played music at all today before it did this). After I finished the call, I heard music in the HAs and found that the iPod program worked into the iPhone 4 was spilling music through the iCom. I didn't touch the telephone before it began doing this. The gushing of music started with no clear client input. Weird, yet genuine. I have just matched the iCom with my iPhone 4 and no other gadget.

TerryB I'm confounded about you remark on gushing of music on your ipod after you completed the process of chatting on the iphone. The iCom can match to a few diverse Bluetooth gadgets and telephone is most noteworthy need. The iPod would need to have been transmitting the music for the iCom to lift it up after the call finished and send it to you. There is nothing that I am aware of in the iCom to peush the iPod begin playing.

TerryB

goldenagecomics I have been wearing HA's since 1998 (begun with CICs and now on my second arrangement of BTEs). In the course of the most recent couple of months I have invested a considerable amount of energy perusing the posts on this gathering and have observed them to be to a great degree supportive. On account of all who have posted their encounters here.

Recently, I was fitted with another arrangement of Ambra MicroP BTEs. These were in replecement of my Oticon Epoq BTEs. Notwithstanding the HAs, I am additionally utilizing the myPilot, iCom and TV Link. All appear to be acting as I trusted they would. Equipped with various posts from this gathering, I requested that my audi program DuoPhone, Stereo Zoom, Zoom Control and Music. I likewise have the quiet actuated as another manual determination. I like the Auto mode and have begun to look all starry eyed at Stero Zoom. I have not yet had a chance to utilize Stereo Zoom in a boisterous domain, however will likely have a shot in a day or two. In auto mode, no changes were made and it has the default programming (once more, as recommended in this discussion).

Presently for my inquiries:

1. When gushing from the TV Link to the iCom and HAs, the sound is exceptionally tinny, with almost no bass. I have seen the same with my iPhone gushing music through the iCom. Are there any prescribed changes to give the sound more bass (a more full, wealthier sound)?

2. After a telephone call today with my iPhone 4, the iPod program started spilling music after the call was finished. This was a significant amazement. Is there a setting that would keep the programmed enactment and gushing of music?

3. I had Sound in Noise left off the program list the same number of here did not think that its exceptionally valuable. Any remarks with respect to whether I ought to in any event have it included a void space to attempt?

4. Does anybody see an advanteage to utilizing the "Quiet" program as a manual choice?

I'm certain I will have different inquiries as I keep on using these new HAs and value everybody's info.

Luga Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Does anybody know whether it is conceivable to totally kill the offside amplifier in Acoustic Phone mode? Second inquiry, what does the "DirectTouch" determination do in the Acoustic Phone mode when chosen?

My comprehension from my visit to the Audie is that immediate touch should enable you to utilize the phone on either side of your head. At the point when the HAs identify the magnet on the phone speaker, the HAs should coordinate sound in the fitting course (i.e. in the event that you utilize the telephone on the correct side, sound ought to be coordinated to one side HA and the other way around).

You can likewise request that the Audie offer inclination to one side or right ear should you have an inclination utilizing the phone on either side in a similar programming screen.

I discovered that the magnet in a few phones is not sufficiently capable to set off the immediate touch system.

Finally if Direct Touch is empowered (and Duo Phone is one of your projects), i trust you can initiate it in either course by squeezing the catch on the HA on the fitting side (so in the event that you enact it on the left HA, sound will be coordinated to the correct HA and the other way around).

I had Direct Touch killed as my iPhone does't set it off and I generally utilize the telephone on the left side. Thankful on the off chance that somebody can affirm the clarification above.

Much obliged

Luis

Its all great

hearnow Originally Posted by DaisyD

I am going to toss my hands noticeable all around and give up!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply had a call from Audie and she is wiped out today and has rescheduled arrangement now for next Monday

I can't trust you setback, I feel so sad for you.

Stratuscom Does anybody know whether it is conceivable to totally kill the offside mouthpiece in Acoustic Phone mode? Second inquiry, what does the "DirectTouch" determination do in the Acoustic Phone mode when chosen?

mstrmac Originally Posted by DaisyD

I am going to toss my hands noticeable all around and give up!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply had a call from Audie and she is wiped out today and has rescheduled arrangement now for next Monday

I share your fustration. I got fitted nov 23rd. Audie didnot know how to program stereo zoom and autozoom and pair telephone. After one week he bombed again and left me on soundflow auto till this past Monday when I terminated him.

Went to Sonus and tues got fitted with custom shells and new smarts. Sound at Sonus did the REM. Speechmapping. Furthermore, input mgr. Improving. Have every one of the projects stacked for the most part default target.

Persistence.

All done in 60 minutes.

Sent from my iphone

DaisyD Originally Posted by hearnow

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

I am going to toss my hands noticeable all around and give up!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply had a call from Audie and she is wiped out today and has rescheduled arrangement now for next Monday

hearnow Originally Posted by DaisyD

Furthermore, I have attempted BTE (Siemens) and I totally loathed them. Will perceive how things go today when I have another arrangement. Ideally I will in any event get back home with them

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

DaisyD Originally Posted by hearnow

Genuine, yet in the event that you took after DaisyD's past post (Sujadon) at that point you would see Ambras were talked about also, yet the audi suspected that Smart S IX with SP beneficiaries could be practically identical to the micropowers already worn.

What's more, I have attempted BTE (Siemens) and I completely despised them. Will perceive how things go today when I have another arrangement. Ideally I will in any event get back home with them

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

Unquestionably Ambras would be a superior alternative here. The power RIC will battle on a current client even with a custom Dome. Insufficient oomph IMHO.

Genuine, yet in the event that you took after DaisyD's past post (Sujadon) at that point you would see Ambras were talked about too, yet the audi felt that Smart S IX with SP beneficiaries could be practically identical to the micropowers beforehand worn.

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

I can envision your failure in the wake of having had held up as long as you did. You would think the audiologist would permit more opportunity for a fitting, thinking of it as was her first time. I am sad you had such a negative affair.

You are correct that the criticism administrator is intended to be keep running in your ear, else it is totally pointless and would likewise be a piece of the reason you can't hear as it would have limited pick up hugely if the input director was keep running outside the ear. Request that her kill SoundRecover BEFORE running the criticism administrator as I have as of late discovered that it's cooperation wth the input director can make some acustic ancient rarities (this will evidently be settled in target 1.1 due early Feb).The audi may likewise need to build the MPO’s on these guides to expand volume for you. Likewise request that her perform genuine ear check while fitting as this will give her substantially more data with reference to whether you are really hearing what you ought to or not.

An audiogram done in March should at present be appropriate, yet you may approach her for a screening audiogram on the off chance that you are concerned.

Unquestionably Ambras would be a superior alternative here. The power RIC will battle on a current client even with a custom Dome. Insufficient oomph IMHO.

hearnow Originally Posted by DaisyD

Today I was fitted with a couple of Audeo S Smarts with control x beneficiary. Audie had permitted a hour for me. I had worked out how the Remote Control was to be customized from remarks (particularly JordanK) which I had shaped from this string. I requested "quiet" to be one of them - Audie says to me "No" you can't have it. I said yes I could and she at that point rang Phonak and yes I could have it. I requesting that her run Feedback Manager - she said she had done that when she customized the guides yesterday.....mmmmm - I thought this must be done when I was wearing them. I could just comprehend around half of what she was stating to me and I disclosed to her I wasn't content with the sounds at all as my old micropowers were much clearer than these new ones. Upshot was she came up short on time thus I exited the guides there and will backpedal again tomorrow and she will attempt and program them so I can comprehend what she is stating. I was extremely frustrated as I had requested these guides in November and it has taken as of not long ago for them to be provided by Phonak. For the measure of cash that I am paying with no assistance from the Govt. I would have expected more time and fulfillment. Also, NO before somebody instructs me to change Audies, when you live in a nation town one doesn't have a ton of decision.

BTW my last hearing test was in March 2010 - I would have imagined that I ought to have had one today before the guides were customized.

I can envision your mistake subsequent to having had held up as long as you did. You would think the audiologist would permit more opportunity for a fitting, thinking of it as was her first time. I am sad you had such a negative affair.

You are correct that the criticism director is intended to be keep running in your ear, else it is totally futile and would likewise be a piece of the reason you can't hear as it would have confined pick up monstrously if the input supervisor was keep running outside the ear. Request that her kill SoundRecover BEFORE running the input chief as I have as of late discovered that it's connection wth the criticism director can make some acustic relics (this will clearly be settled in target 1.1 due early Feb).The audi may likewise need to build the MPO’s on these guides to expand volume for you. Likewise request that her perform genuine ear confirmation while fitting as this will give her a great deal more data regarding whether you are really hearing what you ought to or not.

An audiogram done in March should in any case be appropriate, however you may approach her for a screening audiogram in the event that you are concerned.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by DaisyD

Today I was fitted with a couple of Audeo S Smarts with control x collector. Audie had permitted a hour for me. I had worked out how the Remote Control was to be modified from remarks (particularly JordanK) which I had framed from this string. I requested "quiet" to be one of them - Audie says to me "No" you can't have it. I said yes I could and she at that point rang Phonak and yes I could have it. I requesting that her run Feedback Manager - she said she had done that when she modified the guides yesterday.....mmmmm - I thought this must be done when I was wearing them. I could just comprehend around half of what she was stating to me and I disclosed to her I wasn't content with the sounds at all as my old micropowers were much clearer than these new ones. Upshot was she came up short on time thus I cleared out the guides there and will backpedal again tomorrow and she will attempt and program them so I can comprehend what she is stating. I was exceptionally frustrated as I had requested these guides in November and it has taken up to this point for them to be provided by Phonak. For the measure of cash that I am paying with no assistance from the Govt. I would have expected more time and fulfillment. Also, NO before somebody instructs me to change Audies, when you live in a nation town one doesn't have a considerable measure of decision.

BTW my last hearing test was in March 2010 - I would have felt that I ought to have had one today before the guides were customized.

You are appropriate about the criticism director being run first with the guides in your ear. It is likewise imperative that the sound coupling and vent measure be entered precisely. Walk of 2010 is most likely sufficiently late to be near you current hearing capacity. I wouldn't stress excessively over that, yet I would request that her run with the Target default settings at first. That ought to be sufficient to kick you off and even an unpracticed audiologist can do that much in a brief timeframe.

DaisyD Today I was fitted with a couple of Audeo S Smarts with control x beneficiary. Audie had permitted a hour for me. I had worked out how the Remote Control was to be modified from remarks (particularly JordanK) which I had shaped from this string. I requested "quiet" to be one of them - Audie says to me "No" you can't have it. I said yes I could and she at that point rang Phonak and yes I could have it. I requesting that her run Feedback Manager - she said she had done that when she customized the guides yesterday.....mmmmm - I thought this must be done when I was wearing them. I could just comprehend around half of what she was stating to me and I disclosed to her I wasn't content with the sounds at all as my old micropowers were much clearer than these new ones. Upshot was she came up short on time thus I exited the guides there and will backpedal again tomorrow and she will attempt and program them so I can comprehend what she is stating. I was exceptionally baffled as I had requested these guides in November and it has taken up to this point for them to be provided by Phonak. For the measure of cash that I am paying with no assistance from the Govt. I would have expected more time and fulfillment. What's more, NO before somebody instructs me to change Audies, when you live in a nation town one doesn't have a great deal of decision.

BTW my last hearing test was in March 2010 - I would have suspected that I ought to have had one today before the guides were customized.

nc2kids Hello ED,

Do you think a Phonak Cros Link will work for my situation on the off chance that I utilize Naida V UP in my correct ear? I have been measuring my choices on the off chance that I should redesign my Micropower V on right ear to Ambra or simply move my Naida V UP from my left ear to my correct ear at that point purchase the Phonak Cros Link. Would value your conclusion on this. Much obliged.

EnglishDispenser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROS_hearing_aid

alpine1 What is a CROS variation?

Full time Zoom Control can lessen battery life to 2 days ... which I have heard is the fundamental motivation behind why Phonak haven't discharged a CROS variation.

EnglishDispenser ZoomControl will be more suited to this reason, yet you will be going through batteries rapidly (3-4 days I'd presume).

Full time Zoom Control can diminish battery life to 2 days ... which I have heard is the primary motivation behind why Phonak haven't discharged a CROS variation.

Additionally, you might need to set the audiogram for the dead side to be 0dB i.e. consummate. This will execute sound yield & accordingly spare battery control on the dead side.

Sparafucile Originally Posted by AMT

What is a sensible cost for the icom and mypilot remote?

What number of various projects are there and what number of do you approach with the mypilot remote.

Phil

Hello Phil,

Don't know whether this is a sensible cost, since my audi charged my medical coverage, yet the myPilot was $575 and the iCom $325.

In spite of the fact that I'm exchanging the Smart IXs in for Ambras one week from now, they both have five programmable spaces - StereoZoom and AutoZoom ought to be there, and Music. Soind-in-Noise must be in an opening additionally, the last one is your decision.

You can get to any of them, in addition to Automatic (akaSoundFlow) which is the thing that I have it default to.

AMT Finally got some keen 1X's requested and got a couple of questions....when I get time I should rehash this string again from the earliest starting point.

What is a sensible cost for the icom and mypilot remote?

What number of various projects are there and what number of do you approach with the mypilot remote.

I should spend the end of the week perusing whatever I would so be able to I have some thought what I need when I go see her one week from now. Any things to ensure she does when she programs them? I don't know whether she has sold a hefty portion of these and how comfortable she is with them.

much obliged

Phil

hearnow Originally Posted by doubledown

How does stereozoom work with just a single decent ear? anyone trialing or obtained a zest help with this condition? appears like there may be an advantage in having 2 listening devices just to exploit the stereozoom include despite the fact that for every single other circumstance the guide on the hard of hearing ear won't be doing anything.

Considering that the guide can pass sound data from one guide to the next, I would envision it would simply be a program change to change over one guide to carry on as a croslink sort help.

ZoomControl will be more suited to this reason, yet you will be going through batteries rapidly (3-4 days I'd presume). You may discover more cost execution advantage in the mid range Spice, for example, the Smart S V which likewise has ZoomControl.

doubledown How does stereozoom work with just a single decent ear? anyone trialing or obtained a flavor help with this condition? appears like there may be an advantage in having 2 portable amplifiers just to exploit the stereozoom include despite the fact that for every single other circumstance the guide on the hard of hearing ear won't be doing anything.

Considering that the guide can pass sound data from one guide to the next, I would envision it would simply be a program change to change over one guide to carry on as a croslink sort help.

Um bongo Originally Posted by gmlr

Much obliged Jordan. You

gmlr Originally Posted by JordanK

I have no involvement with the Widex portable hearing assistants however I tested the Resound Alera 9s before getting fitted with the Smart IXs.

Jordan.

Much obliged Jordan. You've said about you tried Resound Alera 9s before Phonak. Why did you slant on Smarts? Alera 9s is my third choice I guess...My audiologist on reality is extremely enclined on Aleara's against Phonak's. She revealed to me that even Phonak's has more power, Alera's sound are cristal clear, and have more components to hear on uproarious situations. What's you're considering? Much obliged.

JordanK Originally Posted by gmlr

Hi Jordan, Merry Christmas!!!

I figure my audiogram is like yours. I will purchase my first guides, and subsequent to looking into a ton, I have practically chosen (99%) to purchase a couple of new Widex Clear Passion 440, what is not discharged in USA yet...but in any case I might want to get your input about the Phonak Smart IX or the new AMBRA. Is it accurate to say that you are truly hearing admirably on boisterous enviroments? Would you be able to have ordinary discussions at wherever? If it's not too much trouble let me know your input as nitty gritty as possible. Much obliged ahead of time.

My Audiogram:

.....250 500 750 1000 2000 4000 8000

L... 15 30 55 70 65 60

R .. 15 25 50 60 90 105 110

Sorry for the postponement in reacting. I was voyaging somewhat finished the most recent week.

The short solution to your inquiry is that I can hear much better in exceptionally loud conditions with these portable amplifiers. Other new clients are announcing comparable outcomes. In the event that you revisit every one of the messages in this specific talk subject, you can read every one of the notes that I posted on the new Spice variant of the Smart IXs. I truly like these amplifiers. The key new thing in the Spice discharge that makes hearing in boisterous situations substantially less demanding is the StereoZoom. Also...they have redesigned the processor in these guides to a considerably quicker form and this appears to make a superior showing with regards to of sound preparing. The main negative so far is that Phonak has altogether changed the programming and a hefty portion of the audiologists are as yet attempting to make sense of how to utilize the product appropriately. I didn't have this issue on the grounds that my audiologist is extremely educated and taken in the product by setting up an arrangement of Spice Audeo Yes listening devices for himself (he is likewise hearing hindered).

Observe every one of my posts in this string and let me know whether there is something specifically you might want to know. I have no involvement with the Widex amplifiers yet I tested the Resound Alera 9s before getting fitted with the Smart IXs.

Jordan.

cnicklo Hi all,

I needed to post a report on my involvement with the Audeo S Smart IX's. I had my first followup visit with my audiologist a week ago. Wish I could state everything went swimmingly, yet I know this discussion should be about all encounters - both positive and (for my situation) baffling.

I met with my Audiologist with three noteworthy needs:

1) Address discontinuous criticism on my correct side

2) Adjust the sound to be more full/wealthier versus as well "trebly" to my enjoying

3) Make acclimations to the iCom to enhance initiation deferral and music spilling.

The principal issue was tended to moderately effortlessly. We moved from the open tip to the new torpedo tip which I as of now had in my left ear. I found that I enjoyed the torpedo tip a great deal on the left - it gave me better stable with exceptionally negligible impediment. We added it to one side, and reran the setup tests. It gave much better "headroom" for us to evade criticism.

From that point, we began taking a shot at the second issue - more full, wealthier sound. I had seen that my own particular voice sounded exceptionally "fresh" - an overprocessed "edge" as I would talk in the auto program (the music program was vastly improved - possibly in light of the fact that we had evacuated a considerable measure of the handling). The audiologist began making changes. We got his voice to sound decent however had a ton of trouble disconnecting the issue with mine. As he would attempt to evacuate the trebly stable, things would get muted. As he attempted to settle that, we'd backpedal to overprocessed "freshness".

I had been perusing this gathering a ton and realized that all the tweaking may be causing its own particular issues. We even begun once again. Running the tests sans preparation and making no changes, however I wasn't content with the underlying sound profile. Still exceptionally pitched to the highs and "overprocessed" for my preferring.

We needed to end the session by then - the two of us feeling somewhat baffled - realizing that we had modern instruments and a complex program yet not feeling we could get them where we needed. We wound up returning to the program I had strolled in with just to get me on my way with something that was working truly well for me.

We didn't get the chance to concentrate on things like iCom, where I was additionally searching for a few changes to enhance music-tuning in.

Today, we have a followup session. The audiologist has assigned a considerable measure of additional time for me (he's incredible by the way - truly centered around attempting to ensure things function admirably for me and a decent audience as I attempt and depict what I'm hearing and where I might want the sound to go). He will call Phonak technical support on the off chance that we get into issues once more. Didn't think we required the rep with us now however offered to call them in for my next session if necessary.

I do think one about the real issues here in the U.S. in any event is that Phonak has discharged the HAs and Target programming without doing preparing. As I comprehend it, they are attempting to fly under the radar of the FDA by not being plain about propelling and Marketing the Spice line here (its not even on their US site). This is identified with the issues Widex is encountering with their Clear 440 remote item. Phonak's application for the Spice didn't dig too profound into its remote abilities. Widex's did, and the FDA is presently soliciting assorted types from questions (radiation emittance, obstruction with different frequencies). They have not endorsed Widex to discharge its item in the U.S. despite the fact that they had affirmed almost indistinguishable items from Phonak and Oticon in view of the applications these two organizations had submitted (concentrated essentially on their portable hearing assistant abilities versus remote)

I'm happy that Phonak can get their item out, yet the administration examination is making everybody worried that they could stop offers of every remote item (which nobody needs to happen). Every one of the players met with FDA in December to attempt and get things going. The meeting was as far as anyone knows positive. Widex was cheerful they would get the endorsement to discharge the Clear 440 here in January. Last I listened, however, this was not looking liable to happen. . .

Hopefully my session today goes well. Any musings or information would be invited.

Chris

RonnieG Hello everybody,

Simply needed to post a report on my experience up until this point.

Having had a poor ordeal after the Phonak rep made alterations amid my second fitting, I went in and my audiologist reinvent the listening devices to the past settings. This was finished by choosing a past date in target. Everything went quit easily and I saw a critical change in my listening ability since. Things still solid excessively trebly and there is as yet a slight contortion to my own voice.

I think I realize what the issue is. The past settings in target were designed when I had the power vaults. I now have custom cshells and my audiologist did not run the objective programming to represent this change. While I used to see a lot of program exchanging with the power vaults, I truly don't see much with the cshells. Indeed, I have numerous projects that I can physically switch between on the mypilot and I truly can't tell a lot of a contrast between them. Voice sounds just appeared to be more normal with the power vaults. Discourse and sounds were more characteristic and full. There was unquestionably more base. I don't know whether this is because of the way that I had finish impediment with the power arches contrasted with less impediment with the cshells (little 1mm vent). Coincidentally, the cshells are significantly more agreeable. I couldn't wear the power arches for over 5 hours on end because of a consuming sensation in my correct ear.

Anyway, my next fitting arrangement is in 10 days. Around then I will request that my audiologist re-try the fitting starting with no outside help and allow the prescribed Target settings to sit unbothered. In any case, these are awesome portable hearing assistants and I am extremely satisfied with them. They are unquestionably superior to my old Micropowers.

I'll post my experience a while later.

Merry Christmas!

gmlr Originally Posted by JordanK

I for one surmise that the new Target programming is most likely a considerable measure simpler to utilize. The primary issue is that most audiologist are use to utilizing the old programming stage and pick up anything new is like...learning anything new. You need to get prepared and after that invest energy honing your abilities. The other distinction is that the old programming got you to a beginning stage and after that the audiologist was relied upon to do a lot of tweaking and changes more than 4-6 arrangements. The new programming appears to get the fitting amazingly near the last fitting and you just need to roll out minor improvements to get it culminate. Most audiologist can't avoid the enticement to fiddle (with an end goal to take in the product in the field) and this is botching up a portion of the fittings.

I simply had my fourth fitting yesterday and I believe I'm finished with any progressions for the present. These listening devices are currently impeccably setup for me. All progressions made in the last 4 fittings were extremely minor. Included a few db in the StereoZoom. Erased a couple of projects. Included a couple of projects. Diminished the pick up when utilizing the iCom to stream bluetooth, and so forth. These were all little changes and we positively didn't mess around with any of the commotion diminishment or balance settings. The other thing is...when we initially began the main fitting we began without any preparation. We didn't import any information from another program. He revamp everything including the genuine ear sound qualities utilizing that little tube in your ear waterway and did criticism tests, and so forth. The other thing that aided is that my audiologist is additionally HoH and he got himself an arrangement of Audeo Yes Spice portable amplifiers and invested a lot of energy taking in the product by honing on himself nightfall. That aided a lot. We as a whole simply should be patient and let the audiologist settle in with the new programming. When this happens....everything ought to be great.

My listening devices are good to go for now. The main last changes we made to them yesterday was to erase the Speech in Noise program and the Calm program. Those two projects are quite recently not required with the Smart IXs. My program lineup is currently:

Programmed

Acoustic Phone (DuoPhone)

StereoZoom

ZoomControl

Music

Quiet

This works splendidly for me and I'm upbeat. The main thing that I might want to find later on is an iPhone application to supplant the myPilot. Presently how cool would that be?

Wishing all of you an exceptionally cheerful and safe occasion!

Jordan

Hi Jordan, Merry Christmas!!!

I figure my audiogram is like yours. I will purchase my first guides, and in the wake of investigating a ton, I have practically chosen (99%) to purchase a couple of new Widex Clear Passion 440, what is not discharged in USA yet...but in any case I might want to get your criticism about the Phonak Smart IX or the new AMBRA. Is it true that you are truly hearing great on boisterous enviroments? Would you be able to have typical discussions at wherever? If you don't mind tell me your input as nitty gritty as possible. Much appreciated ahead of time.

My Audiogram:

.....250 500 750 1000 2000 4000 8000

L... 15 30 55 70 65 60

R .. 15 25 50 60 90 105 110

rogburr Originally Posted by mstrmac

Would not Manual AutoZoom control right or left fulfill what you requirement for Speech. Case is whether you have an immediate touch modified opening and you zoom appropriate/back to hear better on your correct side, your left HA will likewise in a split second transmit what you right HA hears with the goal that you hear in both ears that side.

At the point when the apparent right ear (terrible ear) volume approaches the left (great ear) volume major trouble rises to the surface as far as understanding discourse. In a few circumstances, contingent upon how I feel that day, perhaps, I need to keep the correct volume underneath that of the left, so I don't think your approach would help with this specific issue. Be that as it may, a debt of gratitude is in order for a pontentially smart thought.

rogburr Originally Posted by Kyaniet

I review from my exelia's modifications made in iPFG that it could change the volume of every gadget seperately. I really requested that my audi do as such and she set the product up that way.

I don't know whether this is as yet conceivable in target yet likely will.

I will discover Monday at the fitting. Great to know. Much obliged.

rogburr Originally Posted by Kyaniet

Rogburr,

Why not attempt Ambras? At that point you have catches for both volume and program exchanging

I thought the Ambras were tube and thin tube gadgets, not a power RITE like I require. Will investigate them.

Much obliged.

Kyaniet Originally Posted by mstrmac

Would not Manual AutoZoom control right or left achieve what you requirement for Speech. Case is whether you have an immediate touch customized space and you zoom ideal/back to hear better on your correct side, your left HA will likewise in a split second transmit what you right HA hears with the goal that you hear in both ears that side.

I review from my exelia's modifications made in iPFG that it could change the volume of every gadget seperately. I really requested that my audi do as such and she set the product up that way.

I don't know whether this is as yet conceivable in target yet most likely will.

mstrmac Originally Posted by rogburr

Enormous negative with me is the poor outline of the on-help catch capabilites. Can't deal with both volume and program changes like my present Epoch help does. This will constrain me to get a remote which I don't care for by any stretch of the imagination. Additionally, I some of the time change volume on right ear just to represent distinctive hearing circumstances. Can't do monaural volume changes unless you have the $500 MyPiolet remote! Not great. Roger

Sacramento, CA, USA

Would not Manual AutoZoom control right or left achieve what you requirement for Speech. Case is whether you have an immediate touch customized space and you zoom appropriate/back to hear better on your correct side, your left HA will likewise in a split second transmit what you right HA hears with the goal that you hear in both ears that side.

Kyaniet I concur with Jordan: begin sans preparation, don't duplicate old settings and begin trialing with the default settings from target. It's my experience also that these underlying settings are astoundingly well! Try not to let the audi roll out real improvements subsequently, particularly as long as he/she is not familliar enough with flavor and target. Little changes ought to be sufficient to get the settings as impeccable as they can be.

Yet, perhaps a few people need to much. Is it sensible to request full stable and ideal comprehension of discourse in each believable circumstance without being willing to bargain? I figure these gadgets are so great after the underlying setup that we have a tendency to overlook they are still guides!

Something else I did was folllowing the exhortation Phonak gives on their site: make utilization of flexcontrol at whatever point you think you require it to hear better. In Phonak words flexcontrol is not just about volume control but rather it's a method for finetuning. Visit utilization of flexcontrol will show signs of improvement changed in accordance with our necessities. Also, every volume click you make will be logged and that may give appropriate data for following visits. Furthermore, meanwhile your brains will get used to the new gadgets too.

I had savia's for a long time and trialed Exelia Art this harvest time however to me the zest arrangement are as of now 10 times superior to anything the Exelia's with regards to how much and simple I can comprehend of what's being said! What's more, the extraordinary projects autozoom and stereozoom help me in circumstances where I typically utilized smartlink like in the auto or in an eatery or at a gathering.

BTW: I have conventional BTE Ambra's SP.

Kyaniet Rogburr,

Why not attempt Ambras? At that point you have catches for both volume and program exchanging

rogburr Hello

My Audi has fit the Smart Spices before so has some involvement with the Target programming. I will be getting the S Smart IX control with custom forms as I have an extreme to significant HF misfortune. My manual projects will be: Music, StereoZoom, AutoZoom, and conceivably quiet. I will be getting the PioletOne remote and the iCom gadget. No bluetooth. Will most likely program the on-help catch to change volume, not programs. The SoundRecovery program my become possibly the most important factor too.

Enormous negative with me is the poor outline of the on-help catch capabilites. Can't deal with both volume and program changes like my present Epoch help does. This will constrain me to get a remote which I don't care for by any stretch of the imagination. Additionally, I some of the time change volume on right ear just to represent diverse hearing circumstances. Can't do monaural volume changes unless you have the $500 MyPiolet remote! Not great.

Anyway, will report back my underlying impressions.

Gracious, will revise signature later.

Roger

Sacramento, CA, USA

JordanK Originally Posted by mstrmac

Hello there Jordan. Might you be able to clear up what you mean what you said in cite above? "utilizing that little tube in your waterways". Is it truly quite recently beginning by entering the Coupling, the earpiece utilized and the vent estimate, at that point with the guides in your ears run the criticism chief?

A debt of gratitude is in order for all your post. I have learned alot here. More than my Audie has. Its too awful that there is not a discussion at Phonak so that gadgets of Phonak or some other brands of item can converse with each other.

My audiologist does a test to gauge how your ear waterway changes the sound as it enters your listening ability channel. The hypothesis is that everybody's listening ability waterways are molded diversely and the shape influences how you listen. The test acts as takes after. There is a little box which is associated with his PC that you stay nearby your neck. There are two wires appended to this crate with minor receivers on the finish of the wires. Connected to the mouthpieces are little thin tubes that are set profoundly in your ear channel. He initially puts the tubes in your ear and positions a speaker around 3 feet away. A nonstop tone is played from the speaker from low to high recurrence and the PC measures the sound that is being gotten toward the finish of the tubes before your ear drums. The audiologist at that point rehashes this test yet this time he leaves the tubes set up and furthermore embeds your listening devices as well. I think the second test measures the sound hitting your eardrum from the blend of normal sound in addition to your listening devices. He at that point takes the outcomes from these two tests and enters them some place in the Target programming.

I think this technique adjusts the portable amplifiers to the state of your ear channel. Perhaps one of the audiologists can bounce in and clarify this better.

Jordan.

mstrmac Originally Posted by JordanK

He revamp everything including the genuine ear sound qualities utilizing that little tube in your ear trench and did input tests, and so on.

Hello there Jordan. Would you be able to clear up what you mean what you said in cite above? "utilizing that little tube in your trenches". Is it truly quite recently beginning by entering the Coupling, the earpiece utilized and the vent estimate, at that point with the guides in your ears run the criticism supervisor?

Much obliged for all your post. I have learned alot here. More than my Audie has. Its too terrible that there is not a gathering at Phonak so that allocators of Phonak or some other brands of item can converse with each other.

My Audie affirmed information disclosed in a before post here that the Phonak reps, after the occasions, will be doing preparing. Its been more than 4 weeks demoing these shrewd S helps. The sum total of what i have is Auto and zoom left and zoom right. Its truly baffling and disillusioning. To such an extent that i have thought about doing another trial at another Audiologist.

JordanK I by and by believe that the new Target programming is likely a considerable measure simpler to utilize. The fundamental issue is that most audiologist are use to utilizing the old programming stage and pick up anything new is like...learning anything new. You need to get prepared and afterward invest energy honing your aptitudes. The other contrast is that the old programming got you to a beginning stage and afterward the audiologist was relied upon to do a considerable amount of tweaking and modifications more than 4-6 arrangements. The new programming appears to get the fitting to a great degree near the last fitting and you just need to roll out small improvements to get it culminate. Most audiologist can't avoid the enticement to fiddle (with an end goal to take in the product in the field) and this is fouling up a portion of the fittings.

I simply had my fourth fitting yesterday and I believe I'm finished with any progressions for the present. These portable amplifiers are currently superbly setup for me. All progressions made in the last 4 fittings were extremely minor. Included two or three db in the StereoZoom. Erased a couple of projects. Included a couple of projects. Diminished the pick up when utilizing the iCom to stream bluetooth, and so forth. These were all little changes and we positively didn't mess around with any of the commotion lessening or evening out settings. The other thing is...when we initially began the main fitting we began without any preparation. We didn't import any information from another program. He revamp everything including the genuine ear sound attributes utilizing that little tube in your ear waterway and did input tests, and so on. The other thing that aided is that my audiologist is likewise HoH and he got himself an arrangement of Audeo Yes Spice portable amplifiers and invested a lot of energy taking in the product by honing on himself night-time. That aided a considerable amount. We as a whole simply should be patient and let the audiologist settle in with the new programming. When this happens....everything ought to be great.

My listening devices are good to go for the present. The main last changes we made to them yesterday was to erase the Speech in Noise program and the Calm program. Those two projects are recently not required with the Smart IXs. My program lineup is currently:

Programmed

Acoustic Phone (DuoPhone)

StereoZoom

ZoomControl

Music

Quiet

This works flawlessly for me and I'm glad. The main thing that I might want to find later on is an iPhone application to supplant the myPilot. Presently how cool would that be?

Wishing all of you an exceptionally cheerful and safe occasion!

Jordan

kevels55 Originally Posted by Um bongo

C'mon Kev, everyone needs to twiddle

There's presumably a touch of being green about the product and not understanding the part of the underlying input supervisor race to set the pick up.

You require the audiologist to have the capacity to make alterations, else will hit a block divider when you returned with a slight issue. IMHO with the Spice individuals are being somewhat cumbersome with the main alter.

Yes Um bongo, you are most likely right............. You typically are!

I ain't no Audi, however I know a little about programming, I'm continually attempting to take in more however! Similarly as with all things, everything has circumstances and end results, it appears to me all the more so with this Spice stage and as you apropos put it, if Spice individuals are "somewhat blundering" at that point IMHO this approach has somewhat of a domino effect?.............. would it be advisable for it to not be all the more delicately, delicately?

What's more, yes, as with everything new we would all need to twiddle, fiddle and change to our souls content, yet unless the Audi is HOH or up to speed with the product then the customer won't not have a decent involvement with the hands of the uninitiated? Once more, on the off chance that it ain't broken...........

Cheers, Kev

German The Oticon programming made a recommendation. My sound did not tail it totally.

She calls it opportunity for the sound.

She won't be fulfilled to offer HA with autimatic fitting.

Indeed, even we had the issue to do the fitting physically to the smarts and the issue, that distinctive Phonak individuals had an alternate opposite response to the issue.

I think, when you change something in the fitting, at that point you realize what other HA are doing. Not so with the smarts. We needed to improve something and were constantly astonished what the smarts are doing at that point.

At the point when the smarts are useful for individuals who are OK with the programmed fitting, at that point all others will have an issue.

Um bongo Originally Posted by kevels55

Hello there xbuilder

appears to be intelligent to me that having taken after this string, the new Target programming consolidated with the flavor, at that point Target takes every necessary step for the Audi and the HA's just turned out to be awkward once the Audi has changed them! To my state of mind and this would appear to reflect the greater part of the end clients trialing these HA's, they appear to be amazing at first fitting, tis after the Audi's get in about the guts of the program that the issues happen, not very many of these Audi's will have had enough preparing to be absolutely skillful with them?............They should give Target a chance to do its stuff, make as meager alterations as could reasonably be expected, include/expel settings where vital and allow the rest well to sit unbothered

Presently shoot me down on fire in the event that you all and young ladies like..................But in the event that it chips away at its own, there is no reason for attempting to settle it?

Cheers, Kev

C'mon Kev, everyone needs to twiddle

There's presumably a touch of being green about the product and not understanding the part of the underlying input supervisor hurry to set the pick up.

You require the audiologist to have the capacity to make alterations, else will hit a block divider when you returned with a slight issue. IMHO with the Spice individuals are being somewhat blundering with the main change.

kevels55 Originally Posted by xbulder

They are to bulky to fit... My school who fits huge amounts of phonak said there is a long expectation to absorb information. This CANT BE Agil executioners!!!

Hello there xbuilder

appears to be coherent to me that having taken after this string, the new Target programming joined with the zest, at that point Target takes every necessary step for the Audi and the HA's just turned out to be unwieldy once the Audi has changed them! To my state of mind and this would appear to reflect the greater part of the end clients trialing these HA's, they appear to be phenomenal at first fitting, tis after the Audi's get in about the guts of the program that the issues happen, not very many of these Audi's will have had enough preparing to be absolutely skillful with them?............They should give Target a chance to do its stuff, make as meager changes as could be allowed, include/evacuate settings where fundamental and allow the rest well to sit unbothered

Presently shoot me down on fire on the off chance that you folks and young ladies like..................But in the event that it takes a shot at its own, there is no reason for attempting to settle it?

Cheers, Kev

TerryB I have high trusts in my VA audi as he was exceptionally amped up for the Spice stage and had given it a shot. He was extremely satisfied that Phonak had discharged it to the VA in the meantime as the general US discharge. I'm certain that the preparation must be troublesome for him and his companions to acquire with the enormous load on their time at the VA doctor's facility. I'm not mindful of how regular citizen audis are stacked up by the boomer's maturing, so I don't recognize what their preparation calendar might be. Under prepared specialized individuals is one of the risks of being on the "front line of innovation".

TerryB

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nan2 I concur with Micro that the aud should be the one taking a gander at the comprehensive view and alteration points of interest.

Fascinating that there have been a few remarks about Spice programming being troublesome and I am an ideal example for that. Specialized data I convey to the audiologist I get from the Phonak, only the on-line pamphlet, not abnormal state math. That is the means by which I think about DuoPhone and AutoZoom. At that point I fill in with more detail from this discussion (thank you, much obliged!)

Empowering refresh is that the audi needs us to meet with a Phonak rep, better believe it! He called me at home and I truly loved DuoPhone, aside from a discontinuous sharp ringing. It may be some sort of criticism, however it has vibration in the tone.

I am the principal Ambra for this audiologist so rehashed visits will be tedious, yet could be a win-win for the two of us. I do feel he could have done more homework...

Stratuscom Originally Posted by xbulder

They are to unwieldy to fit... My school who fits huge amounts of phonak said there is a long expectation to absorb information. This CANT BE Agil executioners!!!

I don't think about being "Agil executioners," however these guides don't need to be entangled. My companion ran with the Ambras. He is not actually insightful. The audiologist ran with the prescribed settings in Target, just introduced AutoZoom and StereoZoom, and didn't get a remote. He utilizes Auto 90% of the time and when he needs assistance with discourse, he tries one of the manual modes. It's working awesome for him. He may take a gander at including different components in a month or two.

Micro Originally Posted by nan2

Smaller scale, I would prefer not to make the audi frantic either! in any case, I just originated from a depleting hour+ session. From the Phonak site I printed a pamphlet page about DuoPhone and I additionally caught wind of DuoPhone on this gathering. The audi had no clue what truly matters to me! He said I as of now had programmed "simple telephone" or he could give "Telephone by means of T-curl in addition to mic." Finally after a couple of calls to a rep he found the expression "DuoPhone" in the product and I think he customized for it, yet he anticipates that it will be programmed and I trust I have to press the program catch on the guides to summon DuoPhone.

This is only one illustration. The audi is totally lost with this new programming. Is it genuine that Phonak will give preparing to hearing experts one month from now? In the event that I needed to discover an audi who is profoundly comfortable with the product how might I do that? (California)

My first post on this discussion tended to my most squeezing need, to better comprehend telephone approaches the landline at work.

I decline to surrender! Why buy these guides with little thought of what they can do? My next inquiry for the audi will include auto ZoomControl. Regardless of the possibility that an element does not work for me I should realize that it is accessible and try it out on the off chance that it sounds valuable.

I should include that my audi is an extremely Nice Person. He works from his home and his costs/costs are direct. He will invest a great deal of energy with me, yet today he was getting to be fatigued recently attempting to turn the guides on by means of the product, significantly less discover DuoPhone. Wouldn't he be able to hone with the new programming all alone?- - that is my main event at work.

A debt of gratitude is in order for tuning in.

Appears to me that your audiologist is not up to speed. What we realize in this discussion can help us to decide if an audiologist has been prepared or not and may expand/diminish our trust in him/her. However, there is a point past which all the more "training" by the patient on specialized subtle elements may accomplish more damage than great.

My AuD did not prescribe DuoPhone (which, I accept, is under Acoustic Telephone) and said I'd loathe it. I demanded that it be one of the alternatives introduced in light of the fact that there was space for it, and I knew it would be for a short time before I could see her once more. I utilize it constantly, despite the fact that it chips away at just a single side right now (and it persuaded me to get an iCom to get a similar impact through Bluetooth).

My remarks were an endeavor to recognize advising an AuD how to settle an issue (based, maybe, on another person's report here) and characterizing the "issue." As well as simply investigating choices and projects together. I'm proposing to consider depicting what isn't right or what you like, instead of strolling in and saying "I need the highs diminished in Music, I need the lows expanded in Calm, and I need the mids lessened in Speech in Noise" or something to that effect.

Definitely, we ought to go to the AuD's office with some information. In any case, there is a gap of distinction between clarifying the circumstances where the guides are not as much as ideal and advising an AuD precisely what parameters to embed in light of another person's involvement. Truth be told, in light of the fact that somebody supposes they recognize what changes were made to their programming that either settled or demolished their fitting may not mean they know each registration the-crate the AuD did in the product.

Unmistakably, in any event for quite a while, will see an extensive variety of abilities related with the Target programming. Those Audi's that have zero involvement with it will battle, and their customers won't be as fulfilled as they would be with another supplier. I think these are awesome guides, and I'm sorry to learn that some are having issues getting them set up legitimately.

xbulder Originally Posted by German

The Spice-helps have extraordinary conceivable outcomes. Be that as it may, increasingly I don't know, whether it was the correct choice to let the Oticon Agils go.

My YES helps are somewhat great, alright. We attempted to exchange the fitting to the smarts. The print-out appeared, that we didn't succeed.

Target did not exchange the fitting.

I am as yet not certain, if the flavor stage is a similar machine in YES and Smarts.

My sound at that point attempted to duplicate the projects physically with the printout.

Today I got the mail, that she requested a phonak representive for January 13.

Zest helps appear to be great. In any case, what is it worth, when they are so troublesome.

Agils are less demanding to fit. May be the new programming Target is not the work process of each sound. So I need to hold up til thirteenth January and see what the sound from Phonak will do.

They are to bulky to fit... My school who fits huge amounts of phonak said there is a long expectation to absorb information. This CANT BE Agil executioners!!!

Um bongo Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Um bongo,

On the off chance that I comprehend what you are stating, somebody who might want a more full stable with more bass ought to consider a more forceful coupling (Classic molds versus a vault) and a higher power collector than what they would regularly require?

That is a choice to consider, however it might offer ascent to more impediment than you are content with. Turning up the low recurrence sounds in the I-com program would be my underlying inclination.

kevels55 Originally Posted by nan2

Smaller scale, I would prefer not to make the audi distraught either! be that as it may, I just originated from a depleting hour+ session. From the Phonak site I printed a handout page about DuoPhone and I likewise caught wind of DuoPhone on this discussion. The audi had no clue what really matters to me! He said I as of now had programmed "simple telephone" or he could give "Telephone through T-curl in addition to mic." Finally after a couple of calls to a rep he found the expression "DuoPhone" in the product and I think he customized for it, yet he anticipates that it will be programmed and I trust I have to press the program catch on the guides to conjure DuoPhone.

This is only one illustration. The audi is totally lost with this new programming. Is it genuine that Phonak will give preparing to hearing experts one month from now? On the off chance that I needed to discover an audi who is profoundly acquainted with the product how might I do that? (California)

My first post on this discussion tended to my most squeezing need, to better comprehend telephone approaches the landline at work.

I decline to surrender! Why buy these guides with little thought of what they can do? My next inquiry for the audi will include auto ZoomControl. Regardless of the possibility that an element does not work for me I should realize that it is accessible and try it out in the event that it sounds valuable.

I should include that my audi is an extremely Nice Person. He works from his home and his costs/costs are direct. He will invest a considerable measure of energy with me, however today he was getting to be fatigued recently attempting to turn the guides on by means of the product, significantly less discover DuoPhone. Wouldn't he be able to rehearse with the new programming all alone?- - that is my specialty at work.

A debt of gratitude is in order for tuning in.

I need to concur with you nan2! Some Audi's might be divine beings and wizards joined, yet many are lost in PC programs, the basic truth is, some have'nt got a scooby in the matter of what they are doing and attempt to play it by ear (quip proposed ) For example, today I spent the best piece of two hours with an Audi, diverse arrangement of portable amplifiers from this string without a doubt, 1 x Naida V UP & 1 x Niada V SP, Audi was utilizing iPFG and endeavoring to change the guides together, at that point introduce a Mypilot which she recomended me to purchase! Suffice to state its still not introduced, in the wake of battling for thirty minutes, I proposed that perhaps the reason she couldn't connect the two guides together with Hi Pro was they were diverse guides, she could attach to 1, however not both at the same time, but rather no she carried on in any case, senior Audi's were brought in, programming was reinstalled, yet at last she was befuddled, for similar reasons (2 unique guides) Mypilot would introduce on one guide yet not both! Rationale kinda let me know before hand.......................But hello, I'm no Audi!

Cheers Kev

German The Spice-helps have awesome conceivable outcomes. Be that as it may, increasingly I don't know, whether it was the correct choice to let the Oticon Agils go.

My YES helps are somewhat great, alright. We attempted to exchange the fitting to the smarts. The print-out appeared, that we didn't succeed.

Target did not exchange the fitting.

I am as yet not certain, if the zest stage is a similar machine in YES and Smarts.

My sound at that point attempted to duplicate the projects physically with the printout.

Today I got the mail, that she requested a phonak representive for January 13.

Flavor helps appear to be great. Yet, what is it worth, when they are so troublesome.

Agils are less demanding to fit. May be the new programming Target is not the work process of each sound. So I need to hold up til thirteenth January and see what the sound from Phonak will do.

nan2 Micro, I would prefer not to make the audi frantic either! be that as it may, I just originated from a debilitating hour+ session. From the Phonak site I printed a leaflet page about DuoPhone and I likewise found out about DuoPhone on this discussion. The audi had no clue what truly matters to me! He said I as of now had programmed "simple telephone" or he could give "Telephone by means of T-loop in addition to mic." Finally after a couple of calls to a rep he found the expression "DuoPhone" in the product and I think he modified for it, however he anticipates that it will be programmed and I trust I have to press the program catch on the guides to conjure DuoPhone.

This is only one case. The audi is totally lost with this new programming. Is it genuine that Phonak will give preparing to hearing experts one month from now? In the event that I needed to discover an audi who is profoundly comfortable with the product how might I do that? (California)

My first post on this gathering tended to my most squeezing need, to better comprehend telephone approaches the landline at work.

I decline to surrender! Why buy these guides with little thought of what they can do? My next inquiry for the audi will include auto ZoomControl. Regardless of the possibility that an element does not work for me I should realize that it is accessible and try it out on the off chance that it sounds helpful.

I should include that my audi is an extremely Nice Person. He works from his home and his costs/costs are direct. He will invest a ton of energy with me, however today he was getting to be fatigued quite recently attempting to turn the guides on through the product, significantly less discover DuoPhone. Wouldn't he be able to rehearse with the new programming all alone?- - that is my main event at work.

A debt of gratitude is in order for tuning in.

Micro Originally Posted by Stratuscom

There was one zone of difference. Regardless I feel the end client needs more data to help the audiologist in getting a decent fitting. Data like what we gather from this discussion. She trusted the end client simply needs to precisely depict what he/she is encountering and depend on the audiologist's mastery to determine all issues, yet that is a point for another string.

Maybe another string (both of you may not really be particularly in difference); be that as it may, a remark: when I was preparing to be an aircraft tester, I assessed a plane I'd not flown some time recently, and a teacher solicited what I thought from one of the flight attributes. I said I thought the CNBeta should have been expanded (one of the 26 terms in a moment arrange differential condition that portrays flying machine taking care of attributes). He stated, "Don't do that! Try not to advise the designers [audiologists] how to settle it. Figure out how to watch totally and how to precisely depict your perceptions. Give the specialists a chance to make sense of how best to manage the issue you have found and portrayed."

I think our instruction and swapping of tales on this gathering are exceptionally significant; be that as it may, we should utilize this to enhance our perceptions and our revealing of those perceptions. In the event that we begin advising the AuD's to build the mids in such-and-such program or when/how to run a criticism program, I believe will lose a portion of the estimation of their mastery (and make them frantic). Moreover, every one of our ears and all our listening ability are distinctive. What works for one may not be best for any other individual.

My tuppence.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by cnicklo

4) iCom Adjustments

At the present time, the iCom has a deferral as it actuates, so I will once in a while miss ready tones on my PC. I'll hear the iCom enactment tone taken after by the distinction tone - yet no PC alarm in the center. I'd get a kick out of the chance to see this defer balanced, if conceivable.

To secure consistent sound gushing with the iCom and prevent if from returning to the last program five seconds in the wake of spilling stops: Press and hold the iCom catch. While holding the iCom catch immediately push the iCom control catch.

This exclusive chips away at iComs with the most recent programming.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Um bongo

On the off chance that I may, the issue isn't especially with the I-Com, it's an issue with the level of venting managed by the fitting (particularly with a milder misfortune like yours). Bunches of the bass is simply "lost" by the absence of seal on the beneficiary.

Settling it is genuinely clear: you either have the low pitch increase turned up on the I-Com program OR you increment the seal around your recipient with an all the more impeding tip: which may make your own particular voice sound boisterous.

Whichever case it might be hard to accomplish the drive level you need with such a little speaker, as an optional capacity of what the guide is truly proposed to do.

Um bongo,

On the off chance that I comprehend what you are stating, somebody who might want a more full stable with more bass ought to consider a more forceful coupling (Classic molds versus a vault) and a higher power recipient than what they would regularly require?

TerryB Stratuscom and JordanK,

I am particularly making the most of your posts in foresight of getting my Ambra helps Tuesday the 28th (5days, 22hours).

I had equipment issues with the Audeo Smart ixs, yet none with the sound of them. On the off chance that my audi can do also for me with the S stage as he did with the Core, it will be fine.

Much appreciated once more,

TerryB

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

I think now I have attempted these portable amplifiers in pretty much every conceivable mix of sound situations and they are to a great degree adaptable. Of the 5 programs that I right now have setup (Calm, Speech in Noise, Music, StereoZoom, AutoZoom), I am finding that I never utilize the Calm or the Speech in Noise settings. The programmed mode handles most circumstances great and the mix of StereoZoom and ZoomControl is all you truly requirement for uproarious circumstances. I may simply have the audiologist supplant Calm with DuoPhone and supplant the Speech in Noise with something else. Including quiet may be a decent decision when you need calm without taking out the portable amplifiers (plane, perusing in an uproarious domain, and so forth).

I never utilized Manual Speech-in-clamor, since Speech-in-commotion in Soundflow is more forceful than can be set in Manual, so I had it taken out. I diminished the mids somewhat in Soundflow which expanded Speech cognizance fundamentally for me, however this caused a slight loss of low recurrence sounds. I had Calm Situations in Manual programed with somewhat higher mids for when I need more full sounds (flying creatures twittering, chimes wringing, toilets flushing, and so on) and needn't bother with greatest discourse perception. The quiet choice does not take up one of the five program openings, however includes an extra 6th position. The hindrance with having a quiet determination is you need to cycle between more projects to get to the one you need.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Had my fourth fitting today, this time with the Phonak Tech Rep. The greater part of the fitting issues were settled. Primary concern: She reset the majority of the projects to the Target suggested values and that settled everything.

The prescribed settings brought back a substantially wealthier sound in sound gushing with the iCom, in both Bluetooth Audio and Audio Jack. Changing the pick up from the suggested settings even a little can make the sound weaken enormously. The low frequencies returned and the highs sounded characteristic. I additionally could hear sounds once more, similar to the auto signals, PC tones, and so on that I had heard the main day before we began disturbing the settings. Discourse segregation additionally enhanced fundamentally. We added in somewhat more bass to the Manual Calm and Manual Music programs, however I have not had an opportunity to test those projects to see the impact. We cut the lows and the highs down in Acoustic Phone. My expectation is that will enable the Acoustic Phone mode to work in an uproarious situation.

The Tech Rep's idea on why you could hear reverb and your voice sound mechanical is perhaps the audiologist didn't run the input program first and additionally didn't enter the amplifier's correct acoustic coupling setup including the vent estimate. Indeed, even slight varieties here can cause sound twisting.

Concerning the crackling clamor, she saw dampness in my ear tubes. This can make the listening device create the static like commotion. The static clamor did not return after my guides spent the night in the dryer. A terrible battery is additionally a probability.

MyPilot not demonstrating the correct battery charge level for either the portable amplifiers or the MyPilot is certainly a product breakdown. The unit should be flashed again with the most recent programming and afterward supplanted if that doesn't settle it.

We talked at extraordinary length for the need to control the portable hearing assistant mic pick up amid iCom sound gushing and disposing of the postponement in sound start up when in Bluetooth Audio or Audio Jack. See conceded she saw the need and would present an answer to Phonak for their thought. She said Phonak has an astounding client input program and gives careful consideration to criticism from the clients and audiologists. They will dependably consider criticism that originates from at least two clients. So on the off chance that you think this is critical as well, request that your audiologist make this demand to Phonak too. Both of these issues could be settled with a product change.

The Tech Rep said the FDA was ease back to support the Spice portable hearing assistants for dispersion in the U.S. Once endorsed Phonak quickly put the guides available before the gadgets could get preparing. This has caused various fitting issues. An exhaustive preparing program for containers will start in January which should resolve a hefty portion of the fitting issues.

At the present time I am exceptionally content with my new listening devices.

Much appreciated Stratuscom! These are better than average remarks. I think one about the reasons why I have had such a decent involvement with the new Audeo S Smart IXs is that my audiologist truly didn't shift any of the settings once the Target programming made my underlying settings. This is somewhat nonsensical to how audiologists have functioned in the past with past forms of the product where the underlying settings are only a beginning stage. As I review, the main thing we truly did was to knock the pick up somewhat in the StereoZoom setting on the grounds that the logging capacity demonstrated that I was always bringing the volume up in this program by a solitary tap on the myPilot. I think we additionally likewise dropped the volume somewhat in the iCom bluetooth program since I was finding that my AT&T bluetooth arrive line telephone was a bit too noisy when I utilized the iCom and there isn't any volume change catches on the iCom. Other than that...my settings are basically the objective suggested settings.

So...if you are perusing this and you are going to get fitted with the new Spice listening devices, remind your audiologist to allow the settings to sit unbothered until the second or third fitting.

I'm into my second month of utilizing these portable hearing assistants and I am truly satisfied. I have my fourth fitting tomorrow morning and will restore the Alera 9s around then and pay the bill for the Smart IXs. There is truly nothing to grumble about with these portable amplifiers. The main issues I've seen is that occasionally Phonak's new torpedo arches make within my left ear somewhat sore. I may simply get some information about the shaped thin tips. The main other silly thing is an odd issue with my iCom and bluetooth associations with my AT&T landline or potentially my iPhone. When I hangup from a call utilizing the iCom and my bluetooth landline telephone, some of the time the iPod include on my iPhone begins playing consequently. I think the reason this happens is that the iCom remains associated with both gadgets in the meantime (despite the fact that sound is just being transmitted from the land line telephone). At the point when the iCom disengages from the land line telephone, I think the iCom is by one means or another additionally sending a flag to the iPhone that gets confused as a demand to begin playing music. Its not a major ordeal but rather its somewhat irritating. I did a Google look on "iPhone consequently plays music" and it creates the impression this is a progressing issue with the iPhone and outsider headsets, and so on. My doubt is this is an Apple versus a Phonak programming bug.

I think now I have attempted these portable hearing assistants in pretty much every conceivable mix of sound situations and they are to a great degree flexible. Of the 5 programs that I presently have setup (Calm, Speech in Noise, Music, StereoZoom, AutoZoom), I am finding that I never utilize the Calm or the Speech in Noise settings. The programmed mode handles most circumstances great and the mix of StereoZoom and ZoomControl is all you truly requirement for boisterous circumstances. I may simply have the audiologist supplant Calm with DuoPhone and supplant the Speech in Noise with something else. Including quiet may be a decent decision when you need calm without taking out the listening devices (plane, perusing in a boisterous domain, and so on).

Continue posting your remarks and I will keep on doing the same.

Respects,

Jordan.

TerryB I have begun wearing a PDA holster on my belt to contain my telephone and HA remote. I'm wearing the iCom since I utilize it for my phone and Desk telephone. I used to convey the telephone in my pocket however was continually dropping collapsing cash which adhered to the telephone "comfortable". Much better in the holster.

TerryB

Stratuscom Originally Posted by banshee

I am likewise starting to think I have to get a remote. I have been attempting to assess them in auto mode, with several projects got to by means of the catches on the listening devices (autozoom, stereozoom). Sounds like you have significantly more choices with the remote, however I don't know in case will have a craving for having one in reach constantly.

I do like the MyPilot. It gives me more control. It enables me to switch between programs rapidly and to see in a split second the present program and volume settings. In any case, the main choice that I have discovered you can achieve with the MyPilot that you can't do with the program catches on the listening devices is ManualZoom. ManualZoom appears to work better for me in an auto or plane than AutoZoom or UltraZoom.

banshee Originally Posted by Stratuscom

The Tech Rep's idea on why you could hear reverb and your voice sound mechanical is potentially the audiologist didn't run the criticism program first and additionally didn't enter the portable amplifier's correct acoustic coupling arrangement including the vent measure. Indeed, even slight varieties here can cause sound mutilation.

A debt of gratitude is in order for this information, Stratuscom. What's more, I saw Um Bongo's consequent remarks also - bless your heart. I'm happy for you that you had such a fruitful session with the tech rep. As to what you expressed about reverb/mechanical commotion, I do realize that we ran the input program, however I don't think about the other part. I do realize that we made a few adjustments to make my voice less tinny. Yet, what they were I can't review. I'm anticipating getting them back to attempt it again in light of this new data. I am additionally starting to think I have to get a remote. I have been attempting to assess them in auto mode, with a few projects got to through the catches on the portable amplifiers (autozoom, stereozoom). Sounds like you have significantly more choices with the remote, yet I don't know in case will have a craving for having one in reach consistently.

Stratuscom Another remark the Tech Rep made was to enable a month to change in accordance with the new settings. I am certain this is the situation on the off chance that you don't have any real issues. It takes that ache for you (and most likely the listening devices, in spite of the fact that she didn't say that) to adapt.

After the fitting we went to supper. The commotion level at the eatery was medium. With the producers settings, StereoZoom was the best mode for discussion one-on-one. Be that as it may, at first I was missing piece of the discussion, particularly from the server who had a peaceful voice. Cranking the volume down two or three ticks in StereoZoom lessened the clamor volume around me yet left the volume of the individual I was confronting unaltered. I could see each word, even from the peaceful server.

There was one region of contradiction. Despite everything I feel the end client needs more data to help the audiologist in getting a decent fitting. Data like what we gather from this discussion. She trusted the end client simply needs to precisely depict what he/she is encountering and depend on the audiologist's mastery to determine all issues, however that is a theme for another string.

Um bongo Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Had my fourth fitting today, this time with the Phonak Tech Rep. The greater part of the fitting issues were settled. Main concern: She reset the greater part of the projects to the Target suggested values and that settled everything.

The prescribed settings brought back a considerably wealthier sound in sound spilling with the iCom, in both Bluetooth Audio and Audio Jack. Changing the pick up from the prescribed settings even a little can make the sound fall apart significantly. The low frequencies returned and the highs sounded normal. I additionally could hear sounds once more, similar to the auto signals, PC tones, and so forth that I had heard the primary day before we began upsetting the settings. Discourse segregation additionally enhanced altogether. We added in somewhat more bass to the Manual Calm and Manual Music programs, yet I have not had an opportunity to test those projects to see the impact. We cut the lows and the highs down in Acoustic Phone. My expectation is that will enable the Acoustic Phone mode to work in an uproarious domain.

The Tech Rep's idea on why you could hear reverb and your voice sound mechanical is potentially the audiologist didn't run the criticism program first as well as didn't enter the amplifier's correct acoustic coupling arrangement including the vent measure. Indeed, even slight varieties here can cause sound bending.

With respect to the crackling commotion, she saw dampness in my ear tubes. This can make the portable amplifier create the static like commotion. The static commotion did not return after my guides spent the night in the dryer. An awful battery is additionally a plausibility.

MyPilot not demonstrating the best possible battery charge level for either the portable amplifiers or the MyPilot is certainly a product glitch. The unit should be flashed again with the most recent programming and after that supplanted if that doesn't settle it.

We talked at awesome length for the need to control the listening device mic pick up amid iCom sound gushing and dispensing with the postponement in sound start up when in Bluetooth Audio or Audio Jack. See conceded she saw the need and would present an answer to Phonak for their thought. She said Phonak has an incredible client criticism program and gives careful consideration to input from the clients and audiologists. They will dependably consider criticism that originates from at least two clients. So on the off chance that you think this is imperative as well, request that your audiologist make this demand to Phonak also. Both of these issues could be settled with a product change.

The Tech Rep said the FDA was ease back to favor the Spice amplifiers for dispersion in the U.S. Once affirmed Phonak promptly put the guides available before the containers could get preparing. This has caused various fitting issues. A complete preparing program for distributors will start in January which should resolve huge numbers of the fitting issues.

At the present time I am extremely content with my new listening devices.

This isn't only for criticism. The guide really models it's own particular increase in view of these settings. It's imperative this is keep running at beginning fit or if the vent/form/vault is adjusted, generally pick up pay isn't connected to mirror the CC of the ear waterway. Essentially you'll wind up with a default level of pick up - in a substantial channel the low frequencies will simply get 'lost': somewhat like yelling into an extensive games lobby.

Stratuscom Had my fourth fitting today, this time with the Phonak Tech Rep. The greater part of the fitting issues were settled. Primary concern: She reset the majority of the projects to the Target prescribed esteems and that settled everything.

The prescribed settings brought back a considerably wealthier sound in sound spilling with the iCom, in both Bluetooth Audio and Audio Jack. Changing the pick up from the prescribed settings even a little can make the sound break down incredibly. The low frequencies returned and the highs sounded common. I likewise could hear sounds once more, similar to the auto signals, PC tones, and so on that I had heard the main day before we began disturbing the settings. Discourse separation additionally enhanced fundamentally. We added in somewhat more bass to the Manual Calm and Manual Music programs, yet I have not had an opportunity to test those projects to see the impact. We cut the lows and the highs down in Acoustic Phone. My expectation is that will enable the Acoustic Phone mode to work in a boisterous domain.

The Tech Rep's idea on why you could hear reverb and your voice sound mechanical is conceivably the audiologist didn't run the criticism program first or potentially didn't enter the listening device's correct acoustic coupling setup including the vent estimate. Indeed, even slight varieties here can cause sound contortion.

With respect to the crackling commotion, she saw dampness in my ear tubes. This can make the listening device create the static like commotion. The static clamor did not return after my guides spent the night in the dryer. A terrible battery is likewise a plausibility.

MyPilot not demonstrating the best possible battery charge level for either the amplifiers or the MyPilot is certainly a product breakdown. The unit should be flashed again with the most recent programming and afterward supplanted if that doesn't settle it.

We talked at extraordinary length for the need to control the portable amplifier mic pick up amid iCom sound spilling and disposing of the deferral in sound start up when in Bluetooth Audio or Audio Jack. See conceded she saw the need and would present an answer to Phonak for their thought. She said Phonak has a great client input program and gives careful consideration to criticism from the clients and audiologists. They will dependably consider criticism that originates from at least two clients. So in the event that you think this is critical as well, request that your audiologist make this demand to Phonak too. Both of these issues could be settled with a product change.

The Tech Rep said the FDA was ease back to affirm the Spice portable hearing assistants for dissemination in the U.S. Once affirmed Phonak instantly put the guides available before the gadgets could get preparing. This has caused various fitting issues. An exhaustive preparing program for containers will start in January which should resolve a hefty portion of the fitting issues.

At the present time I am extremely content with my new portable amplifiers.

cnicklo I've observed the battery perused out to be very all in or all out.

Recently, my correct ear battery went out. Since I put both batteries in the meantime, I utilized My Pilot to keep an eye on the left. It demonstrated full status. After ten minutes, it gave me the low battery caution. . .

Initially Posted by Stratuscom

Does any individual who has a MyPilot get the battery level pointer to peruse anything other than full? My signs are constantly full for the MyPilot and the portable hearing assistants.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by TerryB

I have seen low batt on the MyPilot show for left guide and MyPilot.

TerryB

Much obliged, I'll need to investigate the issue.

TerryB Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Does any individual who has a MyPilot get the battery level pointer to peruse anything other than full? My signs are constantly full for the MyPilot and additionally the portable amplifiers.

I have seen low batt on the MyPilot show for left guide and MyPilot.

TerryB

Stratuscom Does any individual who has a MyPilot get the battery level marker to peruse anything other than full? My signs are constantly full for the MyPilot and the listening devices.

cnicklo Thanks, Um Bongo.

I associated that I could enhance some with the issue by exchanging into an alternate tip. So, I'm additionally sure that the iCom and the projects in Target likewise should be balanced. The sound is truly pitched to the mids and highs.

You're additionally right that it will be hard to get the earphones quality sound I'm searching for from the littler drivers in the HAs. Like I said in my before post, I'm slightly avaricious and need it all!

We'll see what StratusCom realizes. My next arrangement is this week on Wednesday, so I'll plan to post a refresh a short time later with the changes we made and what I'm encountering.

Fare thee well,

Chris

Initially Posted by Um bongo

In the event that I may, the issue isn't especially with the I-Com, it's an issue with the level of venting managed by the fitting (particularly with a milder misfortune like yours). Loads of the bass is simply "lost" by the absence of seal on the recipient.

Settling it is genuinely direct: you either have the low pitch increase turned up on the I-Com program OR you increment the seal around your recipient with an all the more blocking tip: which may make your own voice sound noisy.

Whichever case it might be hard to accomplish the drive level you need with such a little speaker, as an auxiliary capacity of what the guide is truly proposed to do.

banshee Originally Posted by Stratuscom

I just recollected. I had a similar issue of irregular commotion quite a while back with a prior match of Phonaks. Phonak supplanted the beneficiaries twice yet the issue proceeded. Turned out I had an awful bunch of batteries. That may not be the issue here, but rather on the off chance that you are as yet encountering commotion you may attempt a crisp battery from an alternate producer, or on the off chance that it is going on in one ear just, take a stab at exchanging the batteries and check whether the issue takes after. It is conceivable these new portable amplifiers are significantly more delicate to voltage varieties.

Smart thought, bless your heart. I didn't significantly consider batteries as a conceivable wellspring of the issue. My guides are as of now at Phonak getting the "fix", whatever that winds up being. I'm truly inquisitive what your rep will say in regards to the inquiries you'll be inquiring.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by banshee

What's more, maybe if s/he has known about a more worldwide issue with discontinuous input/clamor. From what Phonak said to my audi, it seemed like they think about that specific issue.

I just recalled. I had a similar issue of discontinuous commotion quite a long while back with a prior combine of Phonaks. Phonak supplanted the collectors twice however the issue proceeded. Turned out I had an awful group of batteries. That may not be the issue here, but rather in the event that you are as yet encountering commotion you may attempt a new battery from an alternate producer, or on the off chance that it is occurring in one ear just, have a go at exchanging the batteries and check whether the issue takes after. It is conceivable these new amplifiers are significantly more touchy to voltage varieties.

Um bongo Originally Posted by cnicklo

Hey Stratuscom,

A debt of gratitude is in order for offering to check in with the Phonak rep on any inquiries. Mine stem for the most part from the iCom.

In the event that you have room schedule-wise and opportunity, I'd truly jump at the chance to see better any tips to make the iCom stream more full, wealthier sound (for music and TV tuning in, particularly).

I'd likewise get a kick out of the chance to know whether there is any approach to empower a "mics to quiet" program that can be utilized with the iCom and maybe chose utilizing the MyPilot or catches. I'd get a kick out of the chance to tune in to music with no surrounding clamor being sustained by the mics on the HAs.

Absolutely comprehend on the off chance that you can't get to these or if its an excess of inconvenience.

Chris

On the off chance that I may, the issue isn't especially with the I-Com, it's an issue with the level of venting managed by the fitting (particularly with a milder misfortune like yours). Loads of the bass is simply "lost" by the absence of seal on the collector.

Settling it is genuinely direct: you either have the low pitch increase turned up on the I-Com program OR you increment the seal around your collector with an all the more blocking tip: which may make your own voice sound boisterous.

Whichever case it might be hard to accomplish the drive level you need with such a little speaker, as an auxiliary capacity of what the guide is truly proposed to do.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by banshee

I figure I wouldn't see any problems with got notification from the rep if this reverb and mechanical sound can be settled by tuning the guides by one means or another. I think that its fascinating that Ronnie didn't encounter it until after they were changed in a fitting. What's more, maybe if s/he has known about a more worldwide issue with irregular input/clamor. From what Phonak said to my audi, it seemed like they think about that specific issue.

Banshee,

I will get some information about the clamor in the automode. Recently, my left portable amplifier would create a commotion about like clockwork, however just when I was in my auto. Rebooting the listening device made it leave. I will specify your voice sounding mechanical as well.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by cnicklo

In the event that you have sufficient energy and opportunity, I'd truly get a kick out of the chance to see better any tips to make the iCom stream more full, wealthier sound (for music and TV tuning in, particularly).

I'd additionally jump at the chance to know whether there is any approach to empower a "mics to quiet" program that can be utilized with the iCom and maybe chose utilizing the MyPilot or catches. I'd jump at the chance to tune in to music with no surrounding commotion being sustained by the mics on the HAs.

Hello there Chris,

Getting a more full stable from the iCom is one of my solicitations of the Phonak rep also. I am certain there is an approach to do this on the grounds that my iCom was more full and wealthier before we introduced the projects in Target.

A pick up control for the amplifier mikes with the MyPilot is an element I was anticipating prescribing that Phonak program into the framework if conceivable. You can kill the mikes totally in every individual iCom program with Target at the present time. You can't control it with the MyPilot.

cnicklo Hi Stratuscom,

Much obliged for offering to check in with the Phonak rep on any inquiries. Mine stem for the most part from the iCom.

On the off chance that you have room schedule-wise and opportunity, I'd truly get a kick out of the chance to see better any tips to make the iCom stream more full, wealthier sound (for music and TV tuning in, particularly).

I'd likewise jump at the chance to know whether there is any approach to empower a "mics to quiet" program that can be utilized with the iCom and maybe chose utilizing the MyPilot or catches. I'd get a kick out of the chance to tune in to music with no surrounding commotion being nourished by the mics on the HAs.

Thoroughly comprehend on the off chance that you can't get to these or if its a lot of inconvenience.

Chris

Initially Posted by Stratuscom

I meet with the Tech Rep tomorrow. In the event that anybody has any inquiries they might want me to request them let me know.

banshee Originally Posted by Stratuscom

I meet with the Tech Rep tomorrow. On the off chance that anybody has any inquiries they might want me to request them let me know.

I figure I wouldn't see any problems with got notification from the rep if this reverb and mechanical sound can be settled by tuning the guides by one means or another. I think that its intriguing that Ronnie didn't encounter it until after they were changed in a fitting. What's more, maybe if s/he has known about a more worldwide issue with discontinuous input/commotion. From what Phonak said to my audi, it seemed like they think about that specific issue. A debt of gratitude is in order for offering, Stratuscom.

RonnieG Originally Posted by JordanK

Does anybody know what amount the PilotOne costs? I have the myPilot yet I'm thinking about whether it bodes well to likewise purchase the PilotOne and simply keep it on your key chain. It looks little and here and there I don't have a craving for bearing the myPilot.

JordanK.

The Phonak rep demonstrated to me a demo PilotOne amid my fitting. It's entirely vast. I would state the length of a forefinger and twice as wide.

RonnieG Originally Posted by banshee

Got a moment match and they don't criticism (same settings), however in absolutely programmed mode, I get an irritating measure of reverb and my own voice sounds rather mechanical. In general, I locate the nature of sound rather on the unforgiving side. Ronnie specified contortion, so I'm thinking about whether what we're hearing is comparative. Like others, the steady auto-exchanging is troublesome (for the most part in my auto), and I additionally thoroughly consider the sound the iCom with my iPhone is truly tinny with add up to absence of bass.

@banshee

Your privilege. It sounds like there is irregular reverb and my own voice sounds mechanical. I didn't have this issue preceding my current fitting. I'm certain there is an approach to change the sound to your loving.

As far as the icom, take a stab at interfacing the iphone by means of sound link and check whether this makes a difference. It did with me. I will carry this up with my audiologist amid my next appt.

Stratuscom I meet with the Tech Rep tomorrow. On the off chance that anybody has any inquiries they might want me to request them let me know.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Micro

Around four days in the wake of getting mine (have had them for around ten days now), while sitting unobtrusively staring at the TV in Auto mode, the correct one (control recipient) all of a sudden tossed a couple of piercing irregular sounds in, practically like shrill crackling. I failed immediately, and it wouldn't "boot" by any stretch of the imagination. Unusually, after a few endeavors, I found that squeezing the catch on beat caused a tone in the guide in my left ear (spinning through the manual projects each one in turn as I squeezed the catch), so it was imparting and on the web, yet there was no stable at all from the privilege. I turned it off and left it off for around ten minutes, and it booted fine. Has worked delightfully as far back as without a repeat...

I have encountered the "crackling once in a while" too. It once in a while leaves all alone, in some cases by exchanging programs, and if that doesn't work it generally leaves when I "reboot" the processors. It could be a processor "hiccup," however I think about whether possibly there is an incidental issue with the remote correspondence between the two guides. It doesn't happen frequently enough to be an issue yet.

Micro Originally Posted by banshee

Has any other person out there had this issue with reverb as well as startling criticism?

I have not had any reverb or the sort of input you're encountering.

Around four days subsequent to getting mine (have had them for around ten days now), while sitting discreetly staring at the TV in Auto mode, the correct one (control recipient) all of a sudden tossed a couple of piercing strange sounds in, practically like sharp crackling. I walked out on immediately, and it wouldn't "boot" by any stretch of the imagination. Peculiarly, after a few endeavors, I found that squeezing the catch on beat caused a tone in the guide in my left ear (spinning through the manual projects each one in turn as I squeezed the catch), so it was imparting and on the web, however there was no solid at all from the privilege. I turned it off and left it off for around ten minutes, and it booted fine. Has worked wonderfully as far back as without a repeat.

Despite everything I don't hear any program exchanging whatsoever in any circumstance while in Auto mode, yet that mode works incredible for most circumstances I've been in.

My lone issue, irrelevant to the guides themselves, is that the power arches fly out of my ears while biting on sustenance. Irritating and humiliating. I requested another size and a tulip, just to attempt.

banshee I have been endeavoring to demo the new Smart S's subsequent to experimenting with the Oticon Agil Pros for most likely 3-4 weeks and am having a hopeless time of it. The primary match that my audi got for me got sent back because of the way that they would all of a sudden input for no specific reason. Thus severely that I needed to tear them out of my ears. Got a moment match and they don't input (same settings), yet in absolutely programmed mode, I get an irritating measure of reverb and my own particular voice sounds rather mechanical. Generally speaking, I locate the nature of sound rather on the cruel side. Ronnie said bending, so I'm thinking about whether what we're hearing is comparable. Like others, the steady auto-exchanging is vexatious (for the most part in my auto), and I additionally thoroughly consider the sound the iCom with my iPhone is truly tinny with add up to absence of bass. I am a novice performer and am in this manner really exacting when tuning in to music. I don't have any of these issues with the Agil Pro at present still love them. I REALLY need to love these new Phonaks as well, particularly in the wake of perusing all the positive encounters in this string, so it's been somewhat a discouraging background up until now. Has any other individual out there had this issue with reverb and additionally surprising criticism? Phonak claims they have a fix for at any rate some of these issues, thus they are being sent in. In the event that they have an answer that requires restoring the guides, I should not be the main individual having issues I wouldn't think.

RonnieG German

Much obliged for your info. I was anxious somebody would state something to that effect. Presently I'm longing that we would have quite recently allowed everything to sit unbothered. I will go in on Monday morning and check whether my audiologist will have the capacity to reset the portable amplifiers and the icom to plant default. I'll have her add different projects to the mypilot purge spaces and I'll post my encounters.

Much appreciated once more.

German @ RonnieG

To begin with I had the Oticon Agil master. I was extremely fulfilled. The sound changed the fitting and she changed to my extraordinary earpiece. I am certain that was an awful choice. Following 3 month of testing I saw the same with my Phonaks.

Great in the first place, fitting made it contorted. Power vaults are louder in my ear than the earpiece with ventilation.

We attempted to take a before session, however Target did not duplicate it. She made a print-out and could see it. We are chipping away at it, since 3 weeks.

With the stethoskope: with the xpower collector there was no chance.

With the standard beneficiary I generally say I hear alongside the collector.

I consider an electronic arrangement, however up to now I utilize them regularly.

Oticon Agils were flawless, until the point when the fitting got more nitty gritty.

The same with the Phonaks. Presently I generally ask my sound to let the projects as are they. I have no zooms introduced, in light of the fact that I am anxious, the great fitting will be gone once more. I have my old Phonak YES at the time again with the power vaults. They have the old projects.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by sonor/zildjian

I've utilized the new fitting programming now for some days...

sonor/zildjian,

Any bits of knowledge you may have on the best way to get a solid match with Target would be valued.

Stratuscom Phonak is presenting the mid and gauge of Spice era portable amplifiers in the U.S. They are at first giving these product offerings to a couple of select audiologists. In the event that somebody is sitting tight for the lower valued Spice product offerings you ought to have your audiologist request that Phonak incorporate him/her in the underlying framework.

Stratuscom After my first fitting, the mids and lows were too high. Discourse cognizance was poor. My audi diminished the mids and lows marginally and discourse appreciation made strides. I was astounded how little he needed to diminish the lows for discourse to end up plainly clear. Amid my last change, I needed to expand the lows for the iCom programs. My Audi expanded bass lift for all projects which enhanced sound spilling from the iCom, yet Speech cognizance in the non-iCom programs decayed. I should invert this setting.

When I initially utilized the iCom the sound was incredibly full, common, and great. At that point we introduced the iCom programs in Target, bluetooth and sound jack, and the nature of sound went path down. The treble was too high with no bass and all sounds lost their fulness. We have since expanded the pick up in the mids and lows, which was a change, yet the sound is as dislike it was in the first place.

When you initially introduce an iCom program, Target gives you the alternative of choosing an underlying profile, Calm circumstance, Speech-in-commotion, and so on. We picked Speech-in-clamor in light of the fact that the Phonak rep said that would decrease the postpone time for sound jack to start gushing. It did, from around four seconds to two seconds. Be that as it may, I think about whether that is the thing that caused the fulness of sound from the iCom to diminish. Target does not give you the alternative to change the profile after the main introduce of the program. I think you need to erase the program and reinstall it to change the profile. My next fitting is in two days and the Phonak Rep will be there. Ideally we can resolve this at that point.

My audiologist says that preparation for Target did not go before the presentation of the new Spice amplifiers. Preparing on an individual premise is happening now and as the audiologists acquire involvement with Target, fittings will clearly make strides. We have to give the procedure several months for the audiologist to end up plainly capable before we condemn the Spice portable amplifiers.

RonnieG Hello All,

I had my second visit with my audiologist yesterday morning and a Phonak rep was available to acquaint her with the new Target programming. This is what happened.....

1. My custom hard shells came in and they are extraordinary. They're around 25% littler than my old micropower shells and that is with lodging a power collector! They fit delightfully and I can't tell that they're in my ears. No sentiments of impediment or inconvenience at all. They have a thin vent contrasted with my old shells - approx 1mm in distance across.

2. The Phonak rep made a few changes since I griped about a lot of exchanging and sound handling and I trust that he did this basically in the solace in clamor program. I don't know precisely what he did but rather I recall that him altering the huge dark line on top of the diagram show and additionally changing a couple of various numbers on the center of the screen. Apologies, not an exceptionally specialized portrayal but rather I won't start to imagine I know much about listening device programming. He didn't change the affectability of the auto program switching....he kept it appropriate in the center (I think it was at the medium setting).

Since the changes, while the listening devices are in auto mode, everything appears to be too trebly with a recognizable measure of contortion. This is particularly genuine when there is a great deal of foundation clamor or when more than one individual is talking. Everything appears to be too uproarious and there is a foundation extremely black out murmur. I don't know whether it's the warmth vents that I'm hearing for sure. I've had a go at putting the amplifiers in stereozoom and standing directly before a vent and the murmur is significantly less noticable, notwithstanding when I crank the volume up the distance. Voice sounds in stereozoom and autozoom are substantially less trebly however voice sounds, despite the fact that clearer and less twisted, are weakened and I need to crank the volume up to the max so as to welcome a volume that is like the automode with no volume change.

I am bothered in light of the fact that I had a greatly improved ordeal before any changes were made while in auto. Sound was considerably more normal and discourse was such a great amount of less demanding to get it. Of course, the auto exchanging between programs was substantially more recognizable however it wasn't awful and I was kinda accustomed to it (or it was going on a great deal less every now and again as the portable hearing assistants took in my inclinations and situations). Truth be told, I truly don't feel that these things are exchanging at all any longer. I've focused on them with various sounds in an assortment of various conditions and I can't see any adjustment in handling - even in an auto with the radio on, the windows moved down, a plane overhead and the children shouting in the back seat...there is no lessening at all, everything just pours in.

I have an arrangement on Monday morning to modify. Any musings or proposals would be significantly refreshing. I know it's undoubtedly the majority of the settings that were changed amid my visit. Does the Target programming have a backpedal to past setting? Is the change from control vaults to cshells contributing? Why all the treble and mutilation? Why is everything so uproarious in auto?

3. We likewise invested some energy attempting to change the icom to acceptably increase sound from my electronic stethoscope while connected to the sound jack. He rolled out a few improvements here too relating for the most part to the sound jack yield edges, lamentably without progress. I'll simply need to keep utilizing my enhanced stethoscope the out-dated way...taking my listening devices out and connecting them to my ears!

One thing that I've seen is that sound spilling from my Mac and my iphone sounds below average. On the off chance that I connect the iphone or macintosh to the sound jack and stream by means of icom to my listening devices, everything sounds magnificent however bluetooth spilling does not sound great by any stretch of the imagination. I had an icom with my unique audeo smarts and I didn't have this issue. Gushing music by means of bluetooth from my Mac sounded extraordinary. My present issues might be identified with the progressions that the Phonak rep made to the icom to attempt and get my stethoscope to work. Does anybody know whether it's conceivable to reset the icom to industrial facility default?

4. As far as projects, I selected to have stereozoom and autozoom customized into the mypilot remote in openings 2 and 3 separately. Whatever other proposals for programs?

Anyway, that is my story up to this point. Much obliged ahead of time for any proposals.

Ronnie

Kyaniet I've been wearing my Ambra SP for 1 week now. I had expected that my audi would arrange the P yet he went for the SP. My left ear has disintegrated since the past tests and is at around 70 - 75 dB for most frequencies right now. He needed to make sure the HA's would have some room left in the event that it deteriorates in the years to come.

I join the club of Spice fans. I can hear so much better now with simply the default settings. I barely need to request that individuals rehash themselves any longer. The projects I have are: stereozoom, autozoom, acoustic telephone and FM. So I have 1 opening left.

A weekend ago I was with my dad in a sort of little reataurant with every other table being used. I put the guides in stereozoom and it was astonishing. MY eyes let me know there was loads of talking around us yet to my ears it resembled my dad and me were the main ones there!

Today I had the greatest test for Ambra. I was at a gathering at work where the territory was swarmed with several individuals. Somebody began a discussion with me and in stereozoom I could comprehend all that he said.

I have my next meeting with my audi one week from now however there's hardly any finetuning to do. I simply have a portion of the issues others specified some time recently.

1) I believe ít's the quiet program in programmed. I'm experiencing difficulty with boisterous male voices while there's no clamor display. Changing to autozoom is an answer however I'd get a kick out of the chance to take care of the issue. I ponder what is ideal: turning down the low frequencies or following the exhortation somebody gave before: place quiet in a space and give it the settings of discourse in commotion. Is there something I need to surrender when I take after this counsel?

2) There is by all accounts such a variety of projects for telephone. Acoustic, simple, pair (somebody specified simple telephone too). What is ideal? Easyphone won't work for me so I know I need to swich programs. Acoustic telephone gets excessively clamor. Would it be a good idea for me to have acoustic balanced (bring down the bass, similar to somebody let me know here earlier) or take another program?

These are the main things that should be changed so I'm a glad man!

Micro Originally Posted by Stratuscom

My Ambras had the alternative of the left or right side for DuoPhone

My AuD did NOT have any desire to program it by any means (in this manner, she may have not been as constant in choosing any crates for alternatives). She said that her patients/customers (what are we?) utilize DirectTouch. Since I have that modified, too, I've attempted it, and it's a poor substitute for DuoPhone, honestly. It does a touch of a similar thing (one side turned up; the opposite side turned down; sound funneled to both ears from one side), however it's not so clear to me. The DuoPhone nearly overwhelms me, so I need to hold the telephone far from the guide a bit or (as I'm figuring out how to do with everything now) crank the volume down on the handset from full UP.

To the extent not filling all the program spaces goes, she said her patients/customers get confounded or overpowered, so she needed to give me just two openings filled. I was a bit offended that she thought I couldn't monitor five projects. I really don't utilize them excessively, other than to explore, however I know I would think about whether I didn't have them to play with. For me, Auto is working to a great degree well (and I like DuoPhone).

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Micro

I trust the program that empowers DuoPhone is called "Acoustic Telephone." It works extraordinary with the exception of mine works just on the correct side, yet I want to hold the telephone in my left hand. I thought maybe you had a choice of which side you held the telephone (by entering the program with the catch on that side), however that doesn't take a shot at mine. I at that point thought maybe the Smarts would make sense of which mic the telephone discussion was coming through and consequently select that side (volume up on that side and mics stifled on the opposite side). That didn't take a shot at mine, either.

My Ambras had the alternative of the left or right side for DuoPhone

Micro Originally Posted by cnicklo

At the point when my audiologist was setting up my underlying fitting, I asked for placing DuoPhone into one of the accessible spaces.

He needed to call Phonak to figure out how to do this with the new Target fitting programming. As I recall that it, he needed to include "Simple Phone" as one of the projects and afterward I trust he checked a crate to empower the DuoPhone highlight which streams the telephone sound into both ears.

Chris

I trust the program that empowers DuoPhone is called "Acoustic Telephone." It works extraordinary aside from mine works just on the correct side, however I like to hold the telephone in my left hand. I thought maybe you had a choice of which side you held the telephone (by entering the program with the catch on that side), yet that doesn't take a shot at mine. I at that point thought maybe the Smarts would make sense of which mic the telephone discussion was coming through and consequently select that side (volume up on that side and mics stifled on the opposite side). That didn't chip away at mine, either.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by cnicklo

Ultimately, I'd love to have a program that would empower me to tune in to music or telephone through iCom with the HA's outer mics quieted. At the present time, in uproarious circumstances (like on the tram), The HA mics are grabbing and sending through so much encompassing clamor that I can scarcely hear my music. It truly debases the experience I'm searching for.

The mics can be turned or volume lessened in the Audio Streaming projects. I don't accept there is an approach to two Audio Jack or two Bluetooth Audio programs, one with the mic on and one with it off. The capacity to control the mic volume by means of remote would be an incredible element to have.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by cnicklo

4) iCom Adjustments

At this moment, the iCom has a deferral as it initiates, so I will infrequently miss ready tones on my PC. I'll hear the iCom initiation tone taken after by the distinction tone - however no PC caution in the center. I'd jump at the chance to see this defer balanced, if conceivable.

I need to utilize the Audio Jack to bear on two-route interchanges over a radio. The postponement before the spilling goes ahead makes this incomprehensible. The postpone time can be abbreviated by choosing "Discourse in-Noise" as the underlying project when initially including the Audio Jack program, however it doesn't totally dispose of it. On the off chance that you figure out how to kill it let us know.

Kadougan As an expansion to the Duophone dialog it is conceivable to have set with the easyphone highlight which does not require the push of the catch (works best with telecoil and a telephone with a solid attractive flag (landline superior to most cordless/cellphones).

cnicklo When my audiologist was setting up my underlying fitting, I asked for placing DuoPhone into one of the accessible spaces.

He needed to call Phonak to figure out how to do this with the new Target fitting programming. As I recall that it, he needed to include "Simple Phone" as one of the projects and after that I trust he checked a case to empower the DuoPhone highlight which streams the telephone sound into both ears.

My total program list is as per the following: DuoPhone, StereoZoom, ZoomControl with coordinate touch (on the off chance that I initiate the program utilizing the correct portable hearing assistant catch it zooms right, in the event that I actuate with the left listening device catch it zooms left), Music and Mute.

Expectation that is useful

Chris

Initially Posted by nan2

Much obliged for your point by point post cnicklo! I see a depiction of DuoPhone on the Phonak site. I need DuoPhone! In any case, the audi has not specified it to me and Phonak says "with a push of a catch" you conjure this element, which could be vital to me in the working environment.

Anybody: what do I ask for of the audi? Is this a custom program?

Much obliged!

nan2 Thanks for your nitty gritty post cnicklo! I see a portrayal of DuoPhone on the Phonak site. I need DuoPhone! Be that as it may, the audi has not said it to me and Phonak says "with a push of a catch" you summon this element, which could be critical to me in the working environment.

Anybody: what do I ask for of the audi? Is this a custom program?

Much appreciated!

cnicklo Hi all,

I've now been utilizing the Audeo S Smart IX's for a week and thought I'd give a report on my experience and beginning impressions.

By and large, I'm truly content with the capacities of these HAs. Particularly in loud conditions and circumstances, they can separate discourse and enable me to take after discussions that I think I would regularly be closed out from - even without a ton of fiddling with projects and volume settings (abandoning them in auto, generally, works truly well for me).

I'm additionally truly awed with the remote abilities - both binaural sound sharing between the HAs and furthermore their association with the iCom and TV Link. It's so extraordinary to have my cell phone, PC and TV sound all pumped straightforwardly into the HAs.

My next arrangement is seven days away. There aren't a considerable measure of changes, I'll be asking for with the exception of the accompanying focuses:

1) Isolated Feedback

As I said in my before post, my audiologist impaired shriek obstruct on my correct side to have the capacity to get more from the HA with an open vault. This isn't functioning admirably. I get snappy clasps of criticism for the duration of the day, for the most part in calm circumstances or right now somebody begins talking from calm . Irritating, yes, yet it doesn't occur so regularly that I have to make an extraordinary trek to have it balanced before the following visit.

I think I may make a request to go to the new "torpedo" tip in my correct ear simply like my left. I truly like this new tip. It doesn't give me an impeded feeling and appears to give a decent scope of sound. I need the tip to keep away from input as well as in light of the fact that I need more full, wealthier sound than I'm getting now.

2) Fuller, wealthier sound

In both ears, everything still feels a bit "trebly" for my preferring. I thought this may be something that I would get used to as I changed in accordance with the new HAs, yet I'm feeling the loss of a touch of bass, both when all is said in done, and particularly as I tune in to music with the iCom (by means of bluetooth and furthermore by means of direct interface). Possibly, I'm being ravenous, yet I'd truly cherish for these HAs to substitute for a decent match of earphones when I need to tune in to my iPod.

I'll make sure to talk about this with my audi. I'm worried that the HAs are pitched more to the higher frequencies to help me with discourse. Try not to need to hurt cognizance, so I can better acknowledge music. . .yet, would love to have it all!

3) Speech in Quiet

I work in an office building. Now and again, when I'm meeting with an associate in a little office, the discussion appears a bit too uproarious and as well "fresh" (skirting on being mutilated or over-prepared, particularly with "ssss" and "shhhhh" sounds. In bigger workplaces, things are truly extraordinary. Huge gathering rooms are likewise fine, however I have wound up modifying the volume for associates talking at the most distant end of the room from me (I leave the HAs in Auto as I haven't discovered enjoying AutoZoom in meeting room circumstances. As the HA tries to zoom to take after the discussions, everything feels a bit excessively fake for me - I lose the natural nature of the gathering trade. . .).

4) iCom Adjustments

At this moment, the iCom has a postponement as it initiates, so I will once in a while miss ready tones on my PC. I'll hear the iCom enactment tone taken after by the distinction tone - however no PC alarm in the center. I'd get a kick out of the chance to see this defer balanced, if conceivable.

Another change on the iCom, I'll request is more "headroom" It now and then doesn't give me as much volume as I'd like.

I'll additionally need to make certain the iCom programs are set for more full, wealthier sound (more bass)

In conclusion, I'd love to have a program that would empower me to tune in to music or telephone through iCom with the HA's outside mics quieted. At the present time, in loud circumstances (like on the metro), The HA mics are grabbing and sending through so much encompassing commotion that I can scarcely hear my music. It truly debases the experience I'm searching for.

Different Observations

While Auto works truly well, I adore StereoZoom for one-on-one discussions in uproarious conditions. It is entirely extraordinary. I can hear things when my companions with ordinary hearing experience difficulty.

I'm getting used to the DuoPhone highlight - figuring out how to hold the telephone effectively so my HA gets the sound and can stream it to the inverse ear. I've set DuoPhone in my first program opening to make it simple to get to immediately when the telephone rings. . .Try not to utilize it constantly be that as it may, for the present, am happy to have it.

I wish for a more streamlined "unit of parts". At the present time, I exit the entryway with my HAs embedded, the remote in my pocket and the iCom in my sack or around my neck. In the event that I can't get more full, wealthier sound for music, I'm additionally going to require a couple of earphones. Senses that an excessive amount of messiness. Will undoubtedly lose something. . .

At least, I'd love to see Phonak join the remote and iCom into one unit that doesn't need to be worn around the following yet that could stream to the HAs as long as it was in closeness.

Expectation this is all useful. I'm appreciative to the various surveys that went before my trial. They were unfathomably valuable to me, and I need to pay them forward. . .

Chris

rkaramel Originally Posted by kathrein

Hi rkaramel,

which Phonak AMBRA have you tried ?

BTE (Micro M, Micro P, Micro SP) or ITE (..., 312 UZ (M, P, SP), ...)?

Standard tube or thin tube?

How could you expel UCL?

kind respects

kathrein

microP with standard tube.

I made another customer session and entered the audiogram information, didn't enter the UCL information. I took a stab at expelling the UCL information from the current session, however that didn't function admirably. Likewise, do the criticism test just if essential, I saw applying input test comes about was expanding pressure, however I shelter' seen quite a bit of distinction in input previously, then after the fact.

One other proposal, in case you're customizing your HA independent from anyone else, it is ideal to make another customer and new session each time when you're testing distinctive things, my perception is that transforming it in a similar session doesn't generally give you the ideal outcome.

Micro Had an open door for three huge tests yesterday: driving with four individuals in the auto talking; football game (Army-Navy. . . We won); and eatery.

In the auto, I utilized Auto mode for the most part, additionally ZoomControl-Right. ZoomControl cut the greater part of the rest of the street clamor (much was at that point removed) and made voices champion plainly. It likewise decreased the sound of my own voice. Not questionable, but rather it made me need to talk up a bit, which may be OK since alternate people are hearing all the street commotion that I'm not hearing by any means! Previously, I just couldn't convey a discussion with individuals in the rearward sitting arrangement. Presently, I can, undoubtedly. [Side note for mstrmac: Tell your audie that ZoomControl left and right ought to be in a solitary program space. To get the left mode, you enter ZoomControl by squeezing the left catch; for the correct side, you enter the program by squeezing the correct catch. You needn't bother with two openings. Prescribed to be in the principal program slot.]

In the extremely boisterous condition of the diversion, it was overpowering now and again, especially on the correct side (control recipient). Actually, at the very least circumstances, I'm almost certain there was a strong "shout" on that side, similar to input. Different sounds were there, as well, yet it was exceptionally irritating. I could in any case choose voices, however. This was in Auto. I attempted different modes, however nothing changed fundamentally. It was loud to the point that I couldn't hear the tones to tell what program I was in until the point when I got to Acoustic Telephone, which is significantly louder in the correct side (the main side that it takes a shot at). At that point one more press got me back to auto. [Another side note: you can't press the catch five times and be the place you need to be. Obviously, it needs to hold up until the point that it has really moved to each program before it will perceive the following catch press. To go from Auto through four projects to get to Acoustic Telephone- - program #5 in my setup- - I need to hold up a moment or two after each catch squeeze, which takes in the vicinity of 5 and 10 seconds add up to. An issue when attempting to answer the phone.]

A companion was sitting to one side amid the diversion, thus, with all the encompassing commotion, when he would remark, I could for the most part comprehend him. I attempted ZoomControl left, yet it didn't appear to have an enormous effect. I presume that there was huge commotion input originating from past him to one side that simply kept it overpowered. All things being equal, Auto made it conceivable to work "alright" in an extremely troublesome hearing condition. I accept, without these guides, I would not have possessed the capacity to comprehend him by any stretch of the imagination.

I would have enjoyed a remote control to crank the volume down. What's more, to choose programs without guessing at the tones.

The eatery circumstance was awesome. Foundation commotion however not by any means uproarious. We sat in a generally calm niche where I confronted a divider past our table, with a table with four children to one side and whatever remains of the eatery on my right side. Auto mode took care of everything flawlessly. Truth be told, things being what they are, I don't know it was a tranquil eatery since it was extremely swarmed. It recently appeared that way. No issue speaking with anybody, including the server!

As to mode and not hearing it switch programs: despite everything I don't hear that occur by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe somebody can toll in and let us know whether this is right or not, but rather my take is that Auto mode doesn't really choose from among all "strength" programs. I "think" that it just procedures every one of the sounds and tries its best to choose voices and clear up them. At the end of the day, I don't believe it's picking "Sound in Noise" versus "AutoZoom" versus "Music". In the event that one can hear a sudden change in sound, I think about whether that is just a direct result of settings inside Auto, instead of it really choosing another "program" or "mode". Does anybody know? I hear no sudden changes, and it's making an awesome showing with regards to of making things justifiable in an assortment of situations. That is the way we'd all need it to be, obviously, and it shows up so far that mine has hit that sweet spot.

My left wire is 1/8 inch too short. That pulls on the beneficiary/vault and makes it incline descending, diminishing marginally the sound I get notification from that side. All things being equal, both sides are so agreeable I overlook they're there. I fear the day I venture in the shower with them on. . . .

As yet LOVING these S Smart IX's.

[Like Thomas Jefferson stated, "I apologize for the long letter. I didn't have sufficient energy to compose a short one."]

carnutfl Receivers come in various lengths. 1x,2x and 3x. It has nothing to do with sexually transmitted disease versus control. The length is normally stamped in favor of the recipient.

Micro Originally Posted by DaisyD

A debt of gratitude is in order for the pic and furthermore the remark that it ought to have a cover. I accepted the RIC would look much like my present micropowers and I was beginning to stretch. The corrective look of my portable amplifier has a major influence in my acknowledgment of wearing them.

DaisyD Originally Posted by German

Much obliged to you for data. Possibly in light of the fact that it is a test. Be that as it may, I think it would have been no huge work to do the embed.

A debt of gratitude is in order for the pic and furthermore the remark that it ought to have a cover. I accepted the RIC would look much like my present micropowers and I was beginning to push. The corrective look of my portable hearing assistant has a major impact in my acknowledgment of wearing them.

German Thank you for data. Perhaps in light of the fact that it is a test. Be that as it may, I think it would have been no huge work to do the embed.

Um bongo There's a beige embed to supplant the back plate of the recipient module. I'm amazed they haven't fitted it.

German @ DaisyD

In the first place I had the standard beneficiary in Oticon and Phonak. My uncommon earpieces are made for the standard.

My sound needed to try me out of the xpower. The xpower are greater, yet she figured out how to get them in the earpieces. Be that as it may, they are not just greater, they are likewise more. Furthermore, somebody sees my ear from the side, he couldn't see the finish of the standard collector. Be that as it may, the xpower is longer and you can see the finish of the collector as a dim spot.

xPower:

versus standard ( I have no other pic)

TerryB I'm extremely restless to hear everything I can about the AMBRA half shell. I whined to my VA audi about the issues I have with the Audeo Smart ix closing down on account of dampness getting into the battery compartment. He said that I am the principal tolerant he has had with this issue and he supposes it must be a mix of variables doing with my assemble and the area of the guide, length of association with STE unit, sweat rate, and so on. When I go to a warm sticky condition, the guides will be shutdown inside ten minutes on the off chance that I begin to sweat.

I'm certain the ITE setup will stop this issue, And I trust I am as content with the programming as I have been with it in the Audeo.

I've heard great things about the new zoom highlights.

TerryB

kathrein Hello rkaramel,

which Phonak AMBRA have you tried ?

BTE (Micro M, Micro P, Micro SP) or ITE (..., 312 UZ (M, P, SP), ...)?

Standard tube or thin tube?

How could you evacuate UCL?

kind respects

kathrein

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kevels55 Originally Posted by rkaramel

I don't think I will have the capacity to rest until the point that I post this... I did another round of programming of my new Ambra and just rehashed my listening ability. Yes, I am 100% happy with the execution of Ambra and I have no words to clarify how I am feeling. This is the sort of portable amplifier I have been sitting tight for most recent 15 years.

Prior today, before I reinvented it, I was having some discourse knowledge issues and I was tad bit irritate. In any case, I continued playing with the new fitting programming and the robotized calibrating segment exhorted me to bring down the pressure proportion, however that exacerbated the discourse quality over all projects. I was practically considering restoring the HA, that is the point at which it strikes in my mind that evacuating UCL information would naturally bring down the pressure proportion and yes, that did the enchantment for me. I will post more data later on Target programming tips... stay tuned.

Presently let me rest, it's 2:30 AM in the morning, not certain in the event that I can rest... I am to greatly energized

Hello there rkaramel

Splendid post

I didn't ever think I would see the day that somebody "HOH" would allude to an arrangement of HA's as being "100% satisfied"!!! This string gives such a large number of individuals trust, keep doing awesome young ladies

Cheers, Kev

rkaramel I don't think I will have the capacity to rest until the point that I post this... I did another round of programming of my new Ambra and just rethought my listening ability. Yes, I am 100% happy with the execution of Ambra and I have no words to clarify how I am feeling. This is the sort of listening device I have been sitting tight for most recent 15 years.

Prior today, before I reconstructed it, I was having some discourse insight issues and I was tad bit agitate. In any case, I continued playing with the new fitting programming and the robotized adjusting segment exhorted me to bring down the pressure proportion, yet that intensified the discourse quality over all projects. I was nearly considering restoring the HA, that is the point at which it strikes in my mind that expelling UCL information would naturally bring down the pressure proportion and yes, that did the enchantment for me. I will post more information later on Target programming tips... stay tuned.

Presently let me rest, it's 2:30 AM in the morning, not certain on the off chance that I can rest... I am to quite energized

mstrmac Ok here it goes. I am truly content with the majority of your prosperity and seek after the same.

Its my second fitting. Got the Pilot one remote. Balanced the exchanging forcefulness in Soundflow. Much better. BUT....

All i have on my HA's is Automatic Soundflow. manual zoom left and manual zoom ideal in the Two top openings. Program Three should be StereoZoom(it does not work)and i have three beeps twice in succession before i hit soundflow. 4 would have been Duophone yet we came up short on arrangement time and it doesn't work. 1 hour arrangements.

I see you are all wheezing how this could be. I was his first customer with the Spice Platform.

To start with fitting i had simply soundflow, quiet, discourse in clamor and music. Audi did not see how to give me Sterozoom, Autozoom, Duophone and Manualzoom.

He is attempting to set me up with his rep, so to get together and get this privilege. He let me know by means of email yesterday his Ambra Client is doing great. Expectation

Perhaps on the grounds that He didn't enter the coupling (slimtip information) and utilize the criticism supervisor to begin off first time. Since now i have discovered that objective does not see a slimtip choice with control/superpower collector. Gracious Brother!!! Is this True? Does anybody know without a doubt? The collectors fit well in the slimtips. My slimtips are over a year old however, have they changed??? He attempted to get one collector in and harmed the wax monitor just marginally however not hindering the stream of sound..

Be that as it may, i am doing great with these guides. This evening i was out skiing and in an uproarious resort eatery with a band playing. I heard all around ok with my typical lipreading aside from when the band was playing. Soundflow did well. Almost no program exchanging and at many focuses i could truly hear my companion well before me. The band was toward the rear of Her. Not savvy on my part but…..i had no stereozoom or discourse in commotion program.

Here it is Holiday season with a heap of various exercises and flawless new HA proving grounds and i am no where close where i ought to be now. I begrudge you all!!!!

RonnieG Originally Posted by Micro

I've played with the modes however have abandoned it for the most part in Auto, as she recommended. I have not seen it exchanging programs at all up until this point. I see it preparing street commotion (diminishing it), however nothing irritating by any stretch of the imagination! (I asked her how forceful she had set the exchanging, in view of you all's remarks, and she stated, "Not forceful by any stretch of the imagination." I don't have the foggiest idea about any settings, however.)

Hi Micro and welcome! I am astonished that you don't see any program exchanging while in auto. The program exchanging is exceptionally clear to me (and it drives me insane). It's the main thing on my rundown of talk things for my visit one week from now.

mstrmac Originally Posted by Micro

Notes on the fitting: she needed to utilize SlimTips for me since I had griped intensely about impediment from my CIC. The fitting programming (REM) couldn't come to the "objectives" for my correct ear. So she needed to go to the power beneficiary for that ear. That recipient won't fit into the SlimTip and that is impossible in the Target programming (she's sending the correct one back to have it re-made in some frame to acknowledge the power collector). Thus, she went to the power arch and put a vault on the opposite side, too. I don't know the standard vault is the correct size, yet I'm just 22 hours into this, so I save judgment for the present.

Because of everybody!

Incredible Comments and i am especially keen on your slimtip remarks. I have the Smart S IX's.

I have the *****((now know they are Power recipients)) SuperPower xReceivers in my slimtips. Perhaps the Power xReceivers yet they fit well and now your Audie said that there is not an alternative in the Target Software?

Wow i thought i inquire about this well, however here on page 20 of the PDF download you are possibly right:http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/ph...28-0528-02.pdf

I'll need to keep an eye on this. I cannot get an arrangement sooner than two weeks. I knew this from the begin however i like him aside from He had a few issues with the new Target Fitting programming. I am his first with this stage.

A debt of gratitude is in order for your Post.

RonnieG Originally Posted by davidbarry

Howdy RonnieG, despite everything i'm wearing the center Smart IXs and I likewise found the solace in commotion is the program that is truly terrible according to your portrayal. Since you can't dispose of the program in auto mode, my audi thought of an incredible arrangement: have your audi program comfort in clamor utilizing the correct parameters as utilized as a part of discourse in commotion. At that point when it naturally goes into that mode you never again have that blocked stopped up-stifled foundation clamor feeling.

Davidbarry,

A debt of gratitude is in order for the tip. I'll add it to my rundown of recommendations for my visit with the audiologist and the phonak rep next Thursday.

Ronnie

DaisyD Originally Posted by German

Moreover I make an attempt with the xpower beneficiary in my extraordinary earpieces.

They are substantially greater than the standard beneficiary. The standard beneficiary is less obvious. The xpower is a dull dark spot in my ears.

So I test both (standard and xpower) with the smarts now.

Greetings German,

What do you mean about the xpower being a dim dark spot in your ears? I am evidently getting these (at whatever point they in the end turn up) and I don't care for the sound of them at all the way you have depicted them. She didn't say anything like that to me yet on the other hand I don't think she would know.

German Interesting your data that discourse in clamor is a pillar forward.

That would disclose the distinction to the oticon agils discourse in clamor.

I am in the late weeks of my tests and chosen for the Phonak Smart IX.

Likewise I make an attempt with the xpower collector in my unique earpieces.

They are substantially greater than the standard collector. The standard recipient is less unmistakable. The xpower is a dim spot in my ears.

So I test both (standard and xpower) with the smarts now.

Micro OK, time to fess up. I"ve been sneaking and learning on this string for a month, and I need to thank everybody for teaching me. An extraordinary on account of JordanK who got me dependent on this string with his nitty gritty reports. Other awesome ones took after that illustration and have been generally useful.

I had a one-ear CIC from around 10 years prior that basically didn't work for me. Impediment, criticism - at long last surrendered and didn't wear it. Hearing deteriorated, so I chose to attempt once more. Being resigned military, I am qualified for the RACHAP (Retiree At Cost Hearing Aid Program) through Walter Reed. A gigantic offer assistance!

On Nov. fifth, I had my first arrangement, and the AuD requested Phonak Audeo S Smart IX's for me, yet I didn't realize what they were. I returned home, sought, and discovered this string. I got instructed and was set up for yesterday's conveyance and starting fitting (arrangements are difficult to find - truth be told, my next follow-up is late in January).

The AuD says I was the best educated of any of her patients (I don't know she sees the greater part of that as positive. . . the arrangement took two hours). On account of every one of you all.

She needed to program just two spaces (AutoZoom and Speech in Noise). I talked her into filling every one of the five openings since I knew it would be momentarily before observing her once more (she had not requested any extras but rather MyPilot is currently on request, and I'll call her in a couple of days to advise her in the event that I need iCom).

She customized (1) Zoom Control (left/right); (2) AutoZoom; (3) Speech in Noise; (4) StereoZoom; and (5) Acoustic Telephone. These will change when I get the remote, obviously. In the event that I could transform it at the present time, I'd placed StereoZoom in the second space (snappier to get to).

I may take note of that she says Speech in Noise is basically a +/ - 45-degree (my gauge) pillar in front. Substantially more extensive than StereoZoom. That implies that it will get a great deal of foundation commotion that is before you inside that pillar, however removes clamor to the side and behind. That might be the reason most are disappointed with it. I believe it's mis-named and raises desires. In the event that they called it WideBeamZoom, we may figure out how to like it.

When I hauled out of the parking area, I saw another element on my auto: when I select a turn flag, it clicks! I didn't realize that. A mile not far off, I noticed that the radio sounded completely horrendous. I understood that I've generally (for a long time) turned the treble as far as possible up and the bass the distance down. I put them both in impartial, and it sounded extraordinary! Returned home and began viewing a football game on TV. I got up and discovered my significant other at her PC and stated, "Nectar, did you realize that those refs on the field have shrieks?"

I went to an uproarious eatery with a gathering of twelve toward the beginning of today, and I could hear each discussion (in Auto mode... not AutoZoom), paying little mind to where they were situated. I have two words for that: In Credible.

I've played with the modes however have abandoned it for the most part in Auto, as she proposed. I have not seen it exchanging programs at all up until now. I see it preparing street clamor (lessening it), however nothing irritating by any means! (I asked her how forceful she had set the exchanging, in view of you all's remarks, and she stated, "Not forceful by any stretch of the imagination." I don't have the foggiest idea about any settings, however.)

She said that her patients utilize ZoomControl (to the side where they have a telephone beneficiary) for telephone calls and did not have any desire to put Acoustic Phone in there. That mode appears to turn the correct side on to the max, yet the left side is truly chopped down, paying little mind to which side I put the telephone collector. Either it's customized wrong or I'm not doing it right. I want to utilize my left ear for the telephone (being correct given), so it's not working for me. I'm genuinely considering getting the iCom (which she was not enamored with).

Notes on the fitting: she needed to utilize SlimTips for me since I had griped intensely about impediment from my CIC. The fitting programming (REM) couldn't come to the "objectives" for my correct ear. So she needed to go to the power collector for that ear. That recipient won't fit into the SlimTip and that is impossible in the Target programming (she's sending the correct one back to have it re-made in some frame to acknowledge the power beneficiary). In this way, she went to the power vault and put an arch on the opposite side, moreover. I don't know the standard vault is the correct size, yet I'm just 22 hours into this, so I save judgment for the time being.

Primary concern: you all aided enormously in my comprehension of what we're managing, what's in store, and what awesome instruments these are. The guides themselves are out and out incredible. I thought it would take me weeks to get used to hearing once more, yet I'm sold as of now. I'm certain we'll calibrate, and I may even discover something I don't care for downstream, yet I definitely realize that this innovation is fabulous, and I've officially persuaded a few companions from breakfast at the beginning of today to investigate them.

Maybe I ought to request a commission. . . .

On account of everybody!

davidbarry Originally Posted by RonnieG

There is truly just a single program that I detest and I'm expecting it's the discourse in clamor program from what everybody has been depicting in their posts. This is the mode that feels like my ears are totally stopped, all foundation clamor is muted, and there is a consistent "ocean shell" like thunder. Whatever this mode is, it is very irritating. I will have the capacity to tell without a doubt once I get my hands on a remote.

Anyway, I'll get in contact after my visit one week from now. Meanwhile, keep the colossal posts coming!

Howdy RonnieG, despite everything i'm wearing the center Smart IXs and I additionally found the solace in commotion is the program that is truly terrible according to your portrayal. Since you can't dispose of the program in auto mode, my audi concocted an incredible arrangement: have your audi program comfort in clamor utilizing the correct parameters as utilized as a part of discourse in commotion. At that point when it consequently goes into that mode you never again have that impeded stopped up-muted foundation clamor feeling.

hearnow This is most likely comft in clamor. Your aud can either deprioritize it or decrease the pick up lessening. You could likewise crank the volume up when this happens and the guide will discover that you prefermore sound in this mode.

RonnieG Hello All,

A debt of gratitude is in order for the greater part of the immense posts!

Following 2 weeks of Audeo S Smart IX utilize, I should state that these truly are awesome listening devices. I've been restricted to utilizing them for approx. 5 hours for every day because of huge ear waterway distress utilizing the power vaults (particularly on the R). It feels like a second rate electrical consume that resolves immediately while expelling the arches and changing back to my micropowers with custom shells. I don't know whether I have the power or the superpower receivers....I'll check with my audiologist one week from now amid my second visit. On a decent note, my custom molds, myPilot and icom have arrived and I will be picking amid one week from now's visit. My audiologist educated me that there will be a Phonak rep present to enable her to get up to speed with the new Target programming.

Regarding execution, these are extraordinary. Voice lucidity is unbeatable in most listening situations. I've been utilizing these guides in full auto mode as portrayed in my past posts. I have the catches on the guides modified to control volume, however I have once in a while expected to utilize this. My cerebrum has turned out to be acclimated to the auto exchanging highlight and I really lean toward these to my cherished micropowers! Despite everything I feel that sound stream is excessively delicate and I will work with my audiologist to alter this. There is truly just a single program that I disdain and I'm expecting it's the discourse in clamor program from what everybody has been depicting in their posts. This is the mode that feels like my ears are totally stopped, all foundation clamor is suppressed, and there is a ceaseless "ocean shell" like thunder. Whatever this mode is, it is very irritating. I will have the capacity to tell without a doubt once I get my hands on a remote.

Anyway, I'll get in contact after my visit one week from now. Meanwhile, keep the colossal posts coming!

German I got my new Smarts today.

So I have the Smarts IX and the YES IX now

Meanwhile I could get used to the Phonak helps.

I don't have the inclination any longer to hear some background noise.

I wear the new smarts 11 hours today thus far they are great.

Sound had 2 new matches. One with the standard collector and one with the xPower. I could pick. The standard was programed like my YES and the xPower was programed covertly she said. It was the way she would do, a method for her own particular mystery cook book, she said.

First and foremost voice acknowledgment was hard with the Smart xPower. In any case, now, after a few hours, I could comprehend everyone, even delicate talking individuals. Some T and F were difficult to get it.

Program change is no issue any longer, I think my cerebrum has figured out how to overlook it, similar to when you have new glasses and the mind adjusts his product.

I generally test it in youtube. Hearbooks and diverse tunes with words to get it. I have no music program, however music is great, not very thin.

Zoom I will attempt later. In the first place I am upbeat to test a couple of shrewd with ordinary capacity.

rkaramel Originally Posted by nc2kids

@rkaramel, great to hear that you are happy with the ambra. is it true that you were ready to download the objective fitting programming some place? trust you can impart it to us as well

My Audi's office 2 squares away and I have the keys to her office So I simply go to her office whenever at whatever point I have to program my portable hearing assistant. I took a stab at googling for target programming and it was not accessible for downloading dissimilar to iPFG.

nc2kids @rkaramel, great to hear that you are happy with the ambra. is it true that you were ready to download the objective fitting programming some place? trust you can impart it to us as well

rkaramel I got my new Ambra only two or three days back and I am amazingly happy with it's execution. I did the fitting myself utilizing the iCube, I needed to reinvent it around 8 to 10 times to get to it work how I would have preferred it. The one thing I saw that, the new target programming doesn't have "AudiogramDirect" highlight which was there in the past programming iPFG. I talked to phonak and they revealed to me that the new target programming discharge turning out right on time one year from now will have that. I am searching forward for that to additionally calibrate my listening ability.

While programming my Ambra, i heard some stable I never heard and I glanced around to discover what it is and acknowledged it was the sound of my divider clock tick. Something that I never listened

rkaramel Originally Posted by davidbarry

Hello there, I was trialing the iCom for a little while with my center Phonak Smart IXs (will be trialing Spice soon) however I was experiencing difficulty interfacing it to my PC (a Lenovo PC). I utilize an IP telephone and might want to utilize the iCom with WebEx conferencing programming that my organization utilizes, which would stream sound over my PC. I know you are on a Mac, yet would you be able to depict how you set up your icom with the Mac?

Have a go at refreshing the iCom firmware form to the most recent, iPFG 2.6b and Target has the new iCom firmware. Additionally check my past post on refreshing iCom firmware.

davidbarry Originally Posted by cnicklo

Just got fitted with the Audeo S IX's yesterday. By and large, am satisfied even as my ears and cerebrum conform to their sound.

One thing I truly loved with the iCom was that it was so natural to set up with my Mac. I can tune in to youtube or music truly effortlessly and the mic as far as anyone knows additionally works for things like Skype (which I haven't tried).

Hello there, I was trialing the iCom for a spell with my center Phonak Smart IXs (will be trialing Spice soon) however I was experiencing difficulty associating it to my PC (a Lenovo PC). I utilize an IP telephone and might want to utilize the iCom with WebEx conferencing programming that my organization utilizes, which would stream sound over my PC. I know you are on a Mac, yet would you be able to depict how you set up your icom with the Mac?

JordanK Originally Posted by cnicklo

Just got fitted with the Audeo S IX's yesterday. Generally, am satisfied even as my ears and mind change in accordance with their sound.

Couple of things that I'll be looking for:

In SoundFlow (programmed program), I'm hearing a considerable measure of general foundation background noise. I'm originating from in the ear, so I think this might be simply getting used to a greater amount of the general shrill sound accessible with a behind-the-ear open arch fitting. In any case, I don't know I like it all that much.

On that note, as a rule the sound feels a bit excessively one-sided toward the highs. I may approach my audiologist to modify for a more full, wealthier sound profile.

On my correct ear, the audiologist debilitated shriek chief as he was changing the guide to get more for me from it with an open vault. I had four events on the primary day where I heard a clasp of criticism commotion as individuals would begin talking. I'll need to see a fix for this.

In view of the proposal of others, we modified the accompanying: DuoPhone, StereoZoom, AutoZoom, Music and Mute. I adore StereoZoom and AutoZoom. Not entirely certain about DuoPhone, you initially need to enact it, at that point hold the telephone just so. . .

One thing that I noticed that nobody else has specified was that when he customized AutoZoom, he tapped on a check box to enact "Coordinate Touch". What that considers is for me to kick into "Zoom Control - Right" when I initiate the program with utilizing the catch on my correct amplifier or "Zoom Control - Left" when I actuate the program utilizing the catch my left guide. I like that superior to simply Autozoom (which I can at present enact utilizing the remote) as it gives me quick access to the two doubtlessly utilizes for zooming (as a driver or traveler in an auto). I'll utilize StereoZoom for forward circumstances and the remote for whatever else. . .

In spite of the fact that I despise the accessory shape consider, I do love the usefulness of the iCom. Sound for my cell phone for calls is extraordinary. I will need the audiologist to change the sound profile for music. Once more, I simply find everything as well "trebly" and need more wealth. I've discovered this listening both to music by means of bluetooth and furthermore through specifically associating the iCom to my PC or portable by means of the 3.5mm link.

One thing I truly preferred with the iCom was that it was so natural to set up with my Mac. I can tune in to youtube or music truly effectively and the mic as far as anyone knows additionally works for things like Skype (which I haven't tried).

The main thing disliking with the PC is that as ready tones play, the iCom tends to miss them or clasp them. The caution is created by the PC, gone to the iCom which plays its "I'm actuating" tone yet then misses playing the alarm before playing its "I'm separating" tone. So on the off chance that I get an email, I don't hear the email tone however an "I'm actuating" at that point "I'm withdrawing" tone from the iCom. I'll check whether there's an approach to abbreviate the deferral in sending the sound through to the portable amplifiers when I following visit my audi.

More notes to come. Up until this point, I'm truly satisfied. I'll be setting up the TV interface for iCom tomorrow. Simply needed to arrange a more drawn out link than accompanied the unit.

Extraordinary remarks!!! Continue posting your impressions as you get more used to these amplifiers.

I likewise saw that everything was a bit trebly and overpowering at first. These new Spice amplifiers are great at getting foundation clamor and its somewhat bewildering at first. For the most part since you haven't heard these sounds at the best possible level in some time. Different brands of listening devices appear to manage clamor by decreasing the sound. This approach likewise reduces foundation sounds as well. These portable amplifiers appear to enhance voice acknowledgment without cutting foundation clamors and it requires a touch of investment to get accustomed to it. When you do....the old amplifiers sound extremely dull.

Jordan.

JordanK Originally Posted by Kyaniet

MyPilot changes either the volume or the program when squeezing the bolt catches in autozoom. Possibly my audi needs to change something in target.

You really need to get the audiologist to turn on this element in the product. I review that there was one screen for ZoomControl that had a check box that said "empower ZoomControl by means of myPilot". Once that is checked, you can hold down the menu catch on the myPilot and it consequently takes you to the AutoZoom screen. Now, squeezing one of the directional bolts zooms you toward that path. Holding down the menu key again removes you from this uncommon Zoom mode and returns you to the programmed program.

In the event that the check box isn't checked....it won't work.

Jordan.

cnicklo I had a go at interfacing by means of both Bluetooth and sound link. Both were fruitful.

On Bluetooth, I initially turned on Bluetooth on the Mac, at that point matched the iCom. I additionally checked the crate to indicate Bluetooth status in the Finder.

From that point, when I needed to hear sound through Bluetooth, I pulled down the Bluetooth menu in the Finder, and chose the iCom. That might be the progression you missed?

Chris

Initially Posted by Stratuscom

Did you interface with your MAC by means of bluetooth or sound link? I couldn't get bluetooth to interface.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by cnicklo

One thing I truly preferred with the iCom was that it was so natural to set up with my Mac. I can tune in to youtube or music truly effortlessly and the mic evidently likewise works for things like Skype (which I haven't tried).

Did you interface with your MAC by means of bluetooth or sound link? I couldn't get bluetooth to interface.

cnicklo Just got fitted with the Audeo S IX's yesterday. Generally speaking, am satisfied even as my ears and mind change in accordance with their sound.

Couple of things that I'll be looking for:

In SoundFlow (programmed program), I'm hearing a ton of general foundation background noise. I'm originating from in the ear, so I think this might be simply getting used to a greater amount of the general shrill sound accessible with a behind-the-ear open arch fitting. In any case, I don't know I like it all that much.

On that note, by and large the sound feels a bit excessively one-sided toward the highs. I may approach my audiologist to modify for a more full, wealthier sound profile.

On my correct ear, the audiologist impaired shriek director as he was changing the guide to get more for me from it with an open vault. I had four events on the primary day where I heard a clasp of input commotion as individuals would begin talking. I'll need to see a fix for this.

In light of the proposal of others, we modified the accompanying: DuoPhone, StereoZoom, AutoZoom, Music and Mute. I cherish StereoZoom and AutoZoom. Not entirely certain about DuoPhone, you initially need to enact it, at that point hold the telephone just so. . .

One thing that I noticed that nobody else has said was that when he customized AutoZoom, he tapped on a check box to actuate "Coordinate Touch". What that takes into consideration is for me to kick into "Zoom Control - Right" when I enact the program with utilizing the catch on my correct portable amplifier or "Zoom Control - Left" when I actuate the program utilizing the catch my left guide. I like that superior to simply Autozoom (which I can in any case enact utilizing the remote) as it gives me quick access to the two in all likelihood utilizes for zooming (as a driver or traveler in an auto). I'll utilize StereoZoom for forward circumstances and the remote for whatever else. . .

Despite the fact that I loathe the jewelry frame calculate, I do love the usefulness of the iCom. Sound for my cell phone for calls is extraordinary. I will need the audiologist to change the sound profile for music. Once more, I simply find everything as well "trebly" and need more wealth. I've discovered this listening both to music by means of bluetooth and furthermore through specifically interfacing the iCom to my PC or versatile by means of the 3.5mm link.

One thing I truly preferred with the iCom was that it was so natural to set up with my Mac. I can tune in to youtube or music truly effectively and the mic evidently likewise works for things like Skype (which I haven't tried).

The main thing disliking with the PC is that as ready tones play, the iCom tends to miss them or clasp them. The alarm is created by the PC, gone to the iCom which plays its "I'm initiating" tone yet then misses playing the caution before playing its "I'm separating" tone. So on the off chance that I get an email, I don't hear the email tone however an "I'm initiating" at that point "I'm withdrawing" tone from the iCom. I'll check whether there's an approach to abbreviate the deferral in sending the sound through to the amplifiers when I following visit my audi.

More notes to come. Up until this point, I'm truly satisfied. I'll be setting up the TV connect for iCom tomorrow. Simply needed to arrange a more extended link than accompanied the unit.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Kyaniet

MyPilot changes either the volume or the program when squeezing the bolt catches in autozoom. Perhaps my audi needs to modify something in target.

Press and hold the menu catch to exchange to AutoZoom at that point take a stab at choosing a course

Kyaniet Originally Posted by Stratuscom

To get to ManualZoom, first select AutoZoom at that point press the bolt catch on MyPilot relating to the heading you need the receivers to be on.

MyPilot changes either the volume or the program when squeezing the bolt catches in autozoom. Perhaps my audi needs to alter something in target.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Kyaniet

There's one thing my audi and I haven't settled yet. We place autozoom in a space and it appears to work great. Be that as it may, how might I get the old zoomcontrol like exelia craftsmanship has with 4 bearings to look over? I have a MyPilot however pushing the focal catch for a couple of moments don't the occupation. (I get the primary menu). Do my audi need to put the ordinary, manual zoomcontrol in it's own particular seperate space?

Second inquiry: I likewise have acoustic telephone however the speakers open up the encompassing sounds significantly more than in programmed. Is there something that ought to be changed in the settings? Utilizing MyPilot for telephone give excelent comes about btw.

To get to ManualZoom, first select AutoZoom at that point press the bolt catch on MyPilot comparing to the bearing you need the amplifiers to be on.

The Acoustic Phone program builds the pick up for the lows. At first, Acoustic Phone was unusable for me until the point that I had my Audi diminish the lows.

At first the pick up for iCom was set perfectly for me. At that point we introduced Audio Jack as one of the projects for the iCom. This made the highs be excessively greetings and the lows, making it impossible to be too low. Obviously, it takes an alternate pick up modification when utilizing sound gushing with the iCom as opposed to utilizing the portable hearing assistant receivers. I going for my third fitting now to determine the issue.

mstrmac Originally Posted by cjithaca25

I'm worried about a portion of the exchange of the steady exchanging of the projects in the Phonak. Is the auto mode so terrible that you need to continually oversee them with a remote? That appears to be somewhat old-school. Much obliged to such an extent! I'm new to this board yet anticipate joining the discussion.Chris

With respect to exchanging in the Soundflow (programmed). Since this was accounted for in before posts and not settled here in this exchange, i will give you what my Audie let me know.

In my second fitting he loose the forceful exchanging and it appears to have quieted it down. As i comprehend it can be balanced, and is ordinary as the past eras were flexible in this regard. Same goes to other HA makes. Expectation others will toll in and affirm what i am stating.

Kyaniet Originally Posted by cjithaca25

Hello there. I as of now wear the Widex Passion 115 in both ears, and keeping in mind that I cherish the sound quality, they separate at regular intervals and need to go out for repair. my new audiologist has prescribed the Audeo Smart S IV from Phonak (yet I'm not by any means beyond any doubt the model name is right). I'm worried about a portion of the talk of the steady exchanging of the projects in the Phonak. Is the auto mode so terrible that you need to always oversee them with a remote? That appears to be somewhat old-school. I'm interested in the event that anybody has any involvement with Widex and changing to Phonak. I'm additionally inquisitive how sturdy the Phonak's are? I can't wear the Widex to the rec center, bicycle riding, and so forth in light of the fact that even direct dampness close them down. Are the Phonaks useful for a dynamic lifestyle?Thanks to such an extent! I'm new to this board yet anticipate joining the discussion.Chris

I have been utilizing phonak throughout the previous 5 years and never experienced any difficulty with them. I could wear them while riding bicycle, playing tennis (indoor and open air) and running.

I need to state I generally wear old style BTE's (like the ambra's I got today) so I don't have any involvement with RIC.

cjithaca25 Hi. I right now wear the Widex Passion 115 in both ears, and keeping in mind that I cherish the sound quality, they separate at regular intervals and need to go out for repair. my new audiologist has prescribed the Audeo Smart S IV from Phonak (however I'm not by any means beyond any doubt the model name is right). I'm worried about a portion of the discourse of the steady exchanging of the projects in the Phonak. Is the auto mode so terrible that you need to continually oversee them with a remote? That appears to be somewhat old-school. I'm interested in the event that anybody has any involvement with Widex and changing to Phonak. I'm additionally inquisitive how solid the Phonak's are? I can't wear the Widex to the exercise center, bicycle riding, and so on the grounds that even direct dampness close them down. Are the Phonaks useful for a dynamic lifestyle?Thanks to such an extent! I'm new to this board yet anticipate joining the discussion.Chris

Kyaniet Today I got my ambra's in the wake of having trialed Exelia Art for a few months.

I took after the exhortation given in this string and advised my audi to depend on the default settings from target. What's more, in reality it's been an a word of wisdom. Everything as of now sounds so great and regular. Like my own particular voice, sounds in the house, music, when utilizing iCom. I'm anticipating tomorrow when

German So vital advices, much obliged

That is vital for everybody who considers flavor helps. Here, the criticism supervisor is in the last stride of the fitting. As I comprehend, it must be first.

I had powerdomes with a lot of impediment, I changed myself to medium shut vaults. Standard beneficiary. Whistleblock off, soundrecover off.

The unique earpieces have been made first and foremost for the oticon and changed for the Phonak. An excess of ventilation I think.

I am a newcomer since September 2010 and took in a ton in this gathering.

Criticism supervisor can change the flavor helps. What to do, when fitting is done and you have an adjustment in the earpieces ?

My Spice-YES have no feedbackmanager and are improving.

I think my sound did not know, that this director could change the fitting or energy of the flavor helps.

EnglishDispenser I have however seen a couple of characteristics in the objective programming particularly as far a suggestions go for speakers and vaults.

Genuine.

I infrequently utilize the correct acoustic proposals that iPFG or Target give me.

hearnow Originally Posted by Stratuscom

The Phonak tech rep had my audiologist run the input supervisor before making alternate changes. The tech rep demanded that the input chief was run. Your audiologist needs to first determine what sort of ear shape you have and how enormous the vent is assuming any.

Ensure that Whistleblock is turned on. This will prevent all criticism from phone handsets or eye glasses, and so on which are put close to the receiver. With the correct setup and fitting you shouldn't have any issue with input.

A word of wisdom. I have however seen a couple of peculiarities in the objective programming particularly as far a proposals go for speakers and vaults. So for German's situation I would recommend utilizing a standard speaker with a medium shut arch and setting that in that capacity under portable amplifier choices. I would likewise expand the Sound recoup two stages to make up for the absence of high recurrence hearing considering his audiogram. Target would have most likely prescribed Power Domes and Power collector, which would ahve been excessively blocking. In the event that the audi gave his open arches rather criticism would have been an issue. So they essentially need to choose fitting/begin without any preparation and begin once again.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by German

@Hearnow

I will get new Smarts IX, they are requested for me. I am perplexed, that these new guides will be programed like the guides earlier and afterward constrained again by the input administrator, when he is so intense.

Should I stop the criticism chief in the new flavor helps ?

The Phonak tech rep had my audiologist run the criticism administrator before making alternate modifications. The tech rep demanded that the input chief was run. Your audiologist needs to first determine what sort of ear form you have and how enormous the vent is assuming any.

Ensure that Whistleblock is turned on. This will prevent all input from phone handsets or eye glasses, and so forth which are put close to the amplifier. With the correct setup and fitting you shouldn't have any issue with input.

German @Hearnow

I live in Germany and it is incredible to post far and wide and talk about these things.

I have a restorative foundation thus I attempt to clarify and comprehend the capacity of the Spice stage.

In Germany you don't get much data about fitting and this is my first trial with portable amplifiers.

My fitter adores the typical way. I had first the Oticon Agil expert with arches. They were awesome in the initial 4 weeks. At that point she rolled out a few improvements in 1 session. What's more, I got my molds. One of the focuses was the input director.

After that I didn't know to take the Agils any longer.

The Spice helps came in October, my second HA trial. What's more, again we had a similar issue. Sudden change in sound and execution.

With the flavor helps and the molds I had a relentless shrieking from the earliest starting point. Input supervisor. What's more, amid this session a hearable change in sound and clamor.

She is not a companion of the objective programming, needs to telephone, to inquire...

She can't clarify, what's wrong now with the guides.

I think, the unfaltering shrieking is excessively for the criticism chief. For the fitter the director is just an accommodating apparatus to stop the shrieking.

I believe that works for input at specific frequencies however not with a lasting shrieking.

So I think, the input supervisor in the Phonak helps changed the entire fitting.

(Sinus BEEEP turned into a BRRRRT; Loudness was too low)

On the opposite side I ask myself, how helpful is a fitting, when the input administrator can change all ? It would be more smart to let the chief away.

I will get new Smarts IX, they are requested for me. I am perplexed, that these new guides will be programed like the guides earlier and after that restricted again by the input supervisor, when he is so effective.

Phonak is 50 miles away, the new guides will arrive soon.

Should I stop the criticism administrator in the new zest helps ?

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Much appreciated - I thought it was however didn't know. My enormous day is tomorrow

I want you to enjoy all that life has to offer and expectation you get the same tasteful result numerous others have accomplished.

hearnow Originally Posted by German

How effective is this Feedback Manager in the Spice helps ?

In the event that you have done a fitting and run the Feedback Manager, would this be able to Manager change the character of the fitting ( sound ..) ?

Yes, on the off chance that it finds the guides are probably going to input with your present molds/arches then pick up will be limited in specific frequencies. It is then up to your fitter to change the vaults/molds to repay if this pick up decrease is affirmed to inpact on your discernability utilizing genuine ear estimations. Does your fitter know what they are doing with this item as your issues so far generally seem identified with programming issues and absence of data given to you?

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

Same thing

Much appreciated - I thought it was however didn't know. My huge day is tomorrow

German How capable is this Feedback Manager in the Spice helps ?

On the off chance that you have done a fitting and run the Feedback Manager, would this be able to Manager change the character of the fitting ( sound ..) ?

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

This possibly a dumb inquiry to a great many people however would someone be able to please let me know whether the Feedback Manager is the same as Real Ear Calibration or would they say they are two separate things?

Same thing

SuJaDon This possibly an inept inquiry to a great many people yet might someone be able to please let me know whether the Feedback Manager is the same as Real Ear Calibration or would they say they are two separate things?

Stratuscom Originally Posted by Um bongo

Stick music into the fourth opening and leave the last one free.

A debt of gratitude is in order for the proposal. I'll consider that.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

I have Calm, Speech in Noise, Music, StereoZoom and ZoomControl. I believe will supplant Speech in Noise with DuoPhone. StereoZoom and ZoomControl are greatly improved options and I seldom utilize Speech in Noise any longer.

JordanK.

At the point when do you utilize the manual quiet?

Stratuscom Originally Posted by SuJaDon

On my Micropowers I had one of the projects so I could kill the guides. Ideally I will have the capacity to do this on my Audeo Smarts.

You can choose quiet as a 6th program opening.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Of the five manual programming openings I at present have AutoZoom, StereoZoom, and Acoustic Phone (which gives me Duophone) in three of the spaces with a hurl up between Speech-in-Noise, Calm circumstances, and Music for the last two.

Programmed works so well that I haven't distinguished any circumstances where I have to change to a manual Speech-in-Noise or Calm; in any case I just tune in to music once in a while. Am I over looking something? Does anybody have a recommendation?

I have Calm, Speech in Noise, Music, StereoZoom and ZoomControl. I believe will supplant Speech in Noise with DuoPhone. StereoZoom and ZoomControl are vastly improved options and I once in a while utilize Speech in Noise any longer.

Keep Music in one of your openings yet kill SoundRecover for this program. I don't care for SoundRecover in Music mode since it tends to make the music sound somewhat off key. When I am tuning in to music or playing the guitar, I need the sound to be as natural as could be allowed.

Does anybody know what amount the PilotOne costs? I have the myPilot however I'm thinking about whether it bodes well to likewise purchase the PilotOne and simply keep it on your key chain. It looks little and in some cases I don't have a craving for bearing the myPilot.

JordanK.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by Um bongo

Stick music into the fourth opening and leave the last one free.

The less projects you have to switch between the better. Imho you can get basically all you require from the initial three.

On my Micropowers I had one of the projects with the goal that I could kill the guides. Ideally I will have the capacity to do this on my Audeo Smarts.

German Speech in clamor is the weekest purpose of my Spice helps.

So I need to attempt Autozoom.

Um bongo Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Of the five manual programming spaces I at present have AutoZoom, StereoZoom, and Acoustic Phone (which gives me Duophone) in three of the openings with a hurl up between Speech-in-Noise, Calm circumstances, and Music for the last two.

Programmed works so well that I haven't recognized any circumstances where I have to change to a manual Speech-in-Noise or Calm; nonetheless I just tune in to music sometimes. Am I over looking something? Does anybody have a proposal?

Stick music into the fourth opening and leave the last one free.

The less projects you have to switch between the better. Imho you can get basically all you require from the initial three.

Stratuscom Of the five manual programming spaces I at present have AutoZoom, StereoZoom, and Acoustic Phone (which gives me Duophone) in three of the openings with a hurl up between Speech-in-Noise, Calm circumstances, and Music for the last two.

Programmed works so well that I haven't recognized any circumstances where I have to change to a manual Speech-in-Noise or Calm; in any case I just tune in to music sporadically. Am I over looking something? Does anybody have a recommendation?

Stratuscom Originally Posted by mstrmac

For my comprehension:

Does having Autozoom as a manual program work superior to Ultrazoom in soundflow?

For instance my experience is that a Speech in Noise program fills in and in addition Speech in Noise in Soundflow.

I dont comprehend why there is a requirement for an autozoom program space when ultrarzoom does the employment in soundflow, unless a ZoomControl program has the parameters set diverse to diminish more encompassing foundation commotion. I have not had my Smarts set up along these lines yet.

UltraZoom and AutoZoom perform two totally extraordinary capacities and yes, as I would like to think, you require both. The energized instructional exercises on the Phonak site are fundamental yet valuable in understanding what the distinctive capacities do.

UltraZoom works in Soundflow, which is the programmed mode, and distinguishes a culpable commotion and lessens it. The flag to-commotion proportion is customizable and additionally the forcefulness of the clamor channel. Soundflow will likewise naturally modify the tweaking when the client alters the volume in view of it's elucidation of the sound condition and what it supposes the client is truly looking for trouble. greater lucidity in discourse, decrease of clamor, or fulness in music.

AutoZoom, StereoZoom, and Manual Zoom control is outlined essentially for discussion. AutoZoom distinguishes the command speaker and lessens all different clamors. The commotion sifting in AutoZoom is more forceful than can be set in Soundflow (Speech-in-Noise) as indicated by the Phonak rep (and my experience).

I end up nevering utilizing Speech-in-Noise in the manual program. Programmed works so well that at whatever point I verify whether Manual Speech-in-Noise would be better, the Automatic mode has as of now changed to Speech-in-Noise.

German hearnow composed

"Ensure she sets up instrument parameters and accomplices to coordinate your fitting before running criticism alignment. Good fortunes."

Why is this critical ? "before..."

Suppose you have Spice helps and Domes with some impediment (control vaults ..)

At that point you change and have custommade earpieces with ventilation channels. Lasting input from the earliest starting point. Perpetual, not at certain sound.

The you run the feedbackmanager. In my thinkling the director needs to work for all time as well.

Would this be able to aggravate the hearing ? bring down uproar or other sound ?

For my situation I think the feedbackmanager caused a change and exacerbated the hearing.

mstrmac Quote:

Initially Posted by Stratuscom

At the point when at a loud eatery with a few people at the table, yet just a single individual conversing with the entire table, AutoZoom makes a decent showing with regards to of following whomever is talking. At the point when the table breaks into a few individual discussions, that is the point at which I change to StereoZoom to concentrate on the individual conversing with me as it were.

Initially Posted by hearnow

Extraordinary tip much appreciated, I'll encourage my customers to attempt the same.

For my comprehension:

Does having Autozoom as a manual program work superior to Ultrazoom in soundflow?

For instance my experience is that a Speech in Noise program acts and additionally Speech in Noise in Soundflow.

I dont comprehend why there is a requirement for an autozoom program space when ultrarzoom does the occupation in soundflow, unless a ZoomControl program has the parameters set distinctive to decrease more surrounding foundation commotion. I have not had my Smarts set up along these lines yet.

Utilizing a remote Pilot One or a locally available catch. On the off chance that you set up, say program 1 for zoom control right/back....program 2 for zoom left/back... at that point utilize Soundflow's (programmed) Ultrazoom as it will kick in naturally in discourse in commotion.

At that point i can have Stereozoom, Calm and Duophone in the rest of the spaces.

I certainly require the best discourse in commotion devices to enable me to hear better. In the event that an AutoZoom opening, alongside the zoom left and the zoom right space is superior to anything depending on Soundflow to give me the best discourse in clamor, at that point i could go thusly.

The MyPilot can point the heading of zoom in ZoomControl Obviously the Pilot one remote can't.

This is a touch of befuddling. Ideally in time my Audie and I will make sense of this however perhaps somebody here could reveal some insight into this affirmed predicament.

hearnow Originally Posted by onlyme

Much obliged for the tips - I'm in a comparable position to SuJaDon.

In the event that the guides have both volume control & program catches, is there any extra usefulness picked up by spending for the remote?

The mypilot permits determination of Zoom heading utilizing manual ZoomControl, you couls set V/C of each guide autonomously and you could set an alert. So not fundamental, but rather may be pleasant to have on the off chance that you like adaptability.

onlyme Originally Posted by hearnow

The myPilot is far better with more capacity yet is bigger and more costly. At any rate you have a remote and rhat is what's imperative. I tend to place Stereozoom in prog 1 & AutoZoomControl in prog 2 & telephone in Prog 3. Any request is fine however, yet your audi needs to include these physically.

Much obliged for the tips - I'm in a comparative position to SuJaDon.

In the event that the guides have both volume control & program catches, is there any extra usefulness picked up by spending for the remote?

hearnow Originally Posted by Stratuscom

At the point when at an uproarious eatery with a few people at the table, yet just a single individual conversing with the entire table, AutoZoom makes a decent showing with regards to of following whomever is talking. At the point when the table breaks into a few individual discussions, that is the point at which I change to StereoZoom to concentrate on the individual conversing with me as it were.

Incredible tip much obliged, I'll encourage my customers to attempt the same.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Think she has requested MyPilot and not PilotOne.

The myPilot is far and away superior with more capacity yet is bigger and more costly. At any rate you have a remote and rhat is what's essential. I tend to place Stereozoom in prog 1 & AutoZoomControl in prog 2 & telephone in Prog 3. Any request is fine however, yet your audi needs to include these physically.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

I am additionally finding that the best setting for an uproarious Christmas party is StereoZoom with the pick up knock up marginally. Things being what they are, you are continually confronting somebody very close when you are talking at a gathering and StereoZoom fits this utilization superbly. I have wound up leaving StereoZoom in general night when I am in a gathering setting and I frequently think about whether I can hear superior to individuals with typical hearing. I've seen more than a couple of individuals requesting that others rehash themselves when I (the hearing debilitated individual) can hear the speaker great in StereoZoom.

Jordan.

At the point when at an uproarious eatery with a few people at the table, yet just a single individual conversing with the entire table, AutoZoom makes a decent showing with regards to of following whoever is talking. At the point when the table breaks into a few individual discussions, that is the point at which I change to StereoZoom to concentrate on the individual conversing with me as it were.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Think she has requested MyPilot and not PilotOne.

With the greater part of the projects, I incline toward the additional determination control of the MyPilot.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by German

I read about every one of these zooms. I test my Spice helps and I have Pilot one.

Senseless inquiry:

Have every one of these zooms to be initiated or are they programmed ?

Do I require the MyPilot Remote for this ?

I have perused, you should have a program set for zooms. Be that as it may, there are diverse zoom capacities.

Sorry for this inquiry. Phonak clarifies the diverse zooms. in any case, I really don't know whether I have them initiated in my guides or what I need to do to utilize the zooms.

To have Auto and Manual Zoom one of the manual program positions, of which there are five, must be programed for ZoomControl.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

Call your audiologist to ensure she gets you a PilotOne remote as this is turned out to be extremely valuable. Try not to disturb the default clamor settings as they are very great. Ensure she sets up instrument parameters and assistants to coordinate your fitting before running criticism alignment. Good fortunes.

Think she has requested MyPilot and not PilotOne.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

I'm getting fitted this Wednesday for the Audeo S Smarts IX with remote Control and iCom. Any proposals from anybody concerning how I ought to get them set up would be awesome. I have effectively noticed that I require the Zoom to be a program on the remote, noiseblock set to direct and to run the Real Ear Calibration. I have my fingers crossed that I am not expecting excessively.

Call your audiologist to ensure she gets you a PilotOne remote as this is turned out to be exceptionally helpful. Try not to disturb the default clamor settings as they are very great. Ensure she sets up instrument parameters and accomplices to coordinate your fitting before running criticism alignment. Good fortunes.

hearnow Originally Posted by German

I read about every one of these zooms. I test my Spice helps and I have Pilot one.

Senseless inquiry:

Have every one of these zooms to be actuated or are they programmed ?

Do I require the MyPilot Remote for this ?

I have perused, you should have a program set for zooms. In any case, there are distinctive zoom capacities.

Sorry for this inquiry. Phonak clarifies the diverse zooms. in any case, I really don't know whether I have them actuated in my guides or what I need to do to utilize the zooms.

StereoZoom & auto ZoomControl should be physically added to your projects. You at that point utilize your PilotOne to enact them (second catch from the base)

SuJaDon I'm getting fitted this Wednesday for the Audeo S Smarts IX with remote Control and iCom. Any recommendations from anybody with reference to how I ought to get them set up would be incredible. I have officially noticed that I require the Zoom to be a program on the remote, noiseblock set to direct and to run the Real Ear Calibration. I have my fingers crossed that I am not expecting excessively.

German I perused about every one of these zooms. I test my Spice helps and I have Pilot one.

Senseless inquiry:

Have every one of these zooms to be initiated or are they programmed ?

Do I require the MyPilot Remote for this ?

I have perused, you should have a program set for zooms. Be that as it may, there are distinctive zoom capacities.

Sorry for this inquiry. Phonak clarifies the diverse zooms. be that as it may, I really don't know whether I have them enacted in my guides or what I need to do to utilize the zooms.

hearnow I have had a few customers who has detailed comparable advantage to those portrayed here. I have a tendency to show the element in the facility utilizing LOUD gathering clamor and frequently end up being not able hear the customer, while they experience no difficulty hearing me. This has been incredible in portable amplifiers until the point that these guides were discharged.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

I am exceptionally satisfied with these also, despite the fact that my past experience is just with Phonak.

It gives the idea that AutoZoom or ZoomControl works better at scratching off clamor amid discussions than Speech-in-Noise. The Phonak Tech Rep affirmed this. You can't modify clamor wiping out in Speech-in-Noise to as high a level as In ZoomControl. The Tech Rep exhibited in AutoZoom the HAs recognize the rule voice and following two or three seconds every single other sound are brought down. Several seconds after discussion stops all sounds come back to their unique level.

My Audi at first seat the pick up levels physically as opposed to utilizing the pick up settings recommended by Target. The Target levels were significantly nearer to what I required.

We have likewise found the pick up (particularly for the highs) for the diverse iCom modes don't need to be set as high concerning the ordinary hearing modes when the sound is originating from the locally available mikes.

Your perceptions are intriguing and they intently coordinate my involvement with these portable hearing assistants. I am getting myself once in a while utilizing the "Discourse in Noise" setting now that I have ZoomControl and StereoZoom. I think you nailed the issue on the head flawlessly. For instance, AutoZoom locks onto the voice, the clamor decrease kicks in and on top of this, you have the mouthpieces on each listening device remotely cross transmitting the sound to the next amplifier. These three things work preferred for discourse in clamor over the real "Discourse in commotion preset". Furthermore, you can simply flip to StereoZoom and the mouthpieces limit their extension further to remove any foundation prattle. The majority of this works incredibly well.

Here is another great utilization of this innovation. I was driving my child to a training today and he was sitting in the front traveler seat of the auto. It was blustery, there was bunches of street clamor and lamentably, my privilege each has a lower segregation score than my left. This is a terrible combo for me. I flipped the portable amplifiers to AutoZoom and the issue left. The AutoZoom bolted onto his voice, clamor lessening kicked into diminish the street commotion and the correct portable hearing assistant transmitted his voice remotely to my better ear (left side). It wasn't impeccable however it was a critical change. In the event that I would have had the myPilot with me, I would have knock the pick up a tick and it would have been great. I had a comparative circumstance on Tuesday aside from it was my little girl in the secondary lounge of the auto. AutoZoom centered behind my head and I could hear her vastly improved.

I am likewise finding that the best setting for a loud Christmas party is StereoZoom with the pick up knock up somewhat. All things being equal, you are continually confronting somebody very close when you are talking at a gathering and StereoZoom fits this utilization consummately. I have wound up leaving StereoZoom all in all night when I am in a gathering setting and I regularly think about whether I can hear superior to individuals with typical hearing. I've seen more than a couple of individuals requesting that others rehash themselves when I (the hearing impeded individual) can hear the speaker great in StereoZoom. It kinda makes me laugh a bit.

It is not all impeccable there still are circumstances where the Zooming highlights don't exactly work (i.e. speaker is very far away and the room is loud) yet all things considered, these elements are a colossal stride forward.

Everybody continue posting your impressions. Its intriguing perusing...

Jordan.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

I am still extremely satisfied with these listening devices and I have been very astonished about how minimal adjusting was required to get the portable amplifiers to this point. I trust that the new programming has a significant effect. JordanK.

I am extremely satisfied with these also, in spite of the fact that my past experience is just with Phonak.

It gives the idea that AutoZoom or ZoomControl works better at wiping out clamor amid discussions than Speech-in-Noise. The Phonak Tech Rep affirmed this. You can't alter commotion scratching off in Speech-in-Noise to as high a level as In ZoomControl. The Tech Rep shown in AutoZoom the HAs recognize the command voice and following two or three seconds every single other sound are brought down. Two or three seconds after discussion stops all sounds come back to their unique level.

My Audi at first seat the pick up levels physically as opposed to utilizing the pick up settings recommended by Target. The Target levels were significantly nearer to what I required.

We have additionally found the pick up (particularly for the highs) for the distinctive iCom modes don't need to be set as high with respect to the ordinary hearing modes when the sound is originating from the locally available mikes.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by AMT

Would anyone be able to give me a few contrasts or points of interest or impediments between the

Ambra and Audeo? I have sort of chosen one of these however can't see them face to face. My audi additionally does not have much involvement with both of them.

much obliged

Phil

You can see by the fitting outlines that the Ambras, with the exemplary coupling, should deal with a more extreme misfortune than the Audeos. My Audi says the graphs are not generally precise. He felt the Ambras (which I got) would perform better for me, albeit, things being what they are, I would have favored the more slender wire of the Audeos.

AMT Thanks for the answer Aero777 I have chosen to attempt the Smart S 1X now simply need to sit tight for them to come.

Phil

aero777 Originally Posted by AMT

Would anyone be able to give me a few contrasts or favorable circumstances or inconveniences between the

Ambra and Audeo? I have sort of settled on one of these yet can't see them face to face. My audi additionally does not have much involvement with both of them.

much appreciated

Phil

Taking a gander at the writing for both, the greatest distinction I see is the Smart S has the speaker in the ear while the Ambra has the speaker locally available the listening device. You can look these gatherings for the greater part of the points of interest and the few detriments of speaker in the ear (otherwise known as, RIC or RITE). When looking at these two guides you should contrast the Ambra with the Smart S IX ,as they have comparative elements. The Ambra has 3 control levels M, P and SP which can’t be changed at a later date. The Smart S control level can be changed whenever by changing the speaker unit to either standard, power or super power in the occasion your listening ability changes later on.

EnglishDispenser They chose, that the new Smart were faulty out of the container.

No doubt, right.

German Want to give some input:

Went to the sound today, dire date. We replicated the projects from the YES to the Smarts, changed recipients and arches. At last there was as yet a major contrast in clamor. They chose, that the new Smart were flawed out of the container.

The Smarts will be sent back, they requested new ones for me.

I have my YES again ( I tried). Administration purpose of Phonak is close-by.

How about we see, if the new Smarts they requested will be better.

AMT Can anybody give me a few contrasts or focal points or hindrances between the

Ambra and Audeo? I have sort of settled on one of these however can't see them face to face. My audi likewise does not have much involvement with both of them.

much obliged

Phil

hearnow Originally Posted by German

Since September I tried the Oticon Agil ace a since October what's more the Phonak Audeo S YES IX.

Today was the day of choice and I was satisfied with the Phonaks.

Since I needed the new Smarts ( same machine with another crate ?) I chose for the Spice stage and took the Smarts.

Sound stated, no issue and needed to take the fitting of the YES to the Smarts (same chip). Had a few issues and after a tel call she prevailing with regards to transporting the fitting of the YES to the Smarts.

What's more, now I lost everything. Before TV was bad with the Oticon (but rather I could hear it) and 80% justifiable with the YES. With the Smarts I scarcely hear the talking. No way to get it. Low in tumult and another sound at this point.

I think about whether it is poosible to transport the fitting of the YES to the Smart without evolving. I have programmed, discourse in quiet, discourse in clamor and solace in commotion. Also, no program will help me undarstanding individuals.

Same chip in another container ( Smarts and YES of Phonak) ...I can't trust it any longer. The YES opened the world for me, the Smarts are shutting it.

What was defective ? May be you can't take a similar fitting ?

What she should attempt is toopen your last session with the Yes, go to the instruments tab, while the Smarts are associated. Recognize instruments select utilize setting from Target. That should bring about a duplicate put away on the smarts once she spares. There ought to be no distinction in sound by any means.

hearnow Originally Posted by CryMeARiver

Which of the flavor era has a t-curl? I cannot appear to discover the information on phonak's web. This would be an arrangement executioner for me on the off chance that they dont offer a t-curl. There is a major development now in the U.S. to push the utilization of hearing circles. I went to a ball game at the Breslin Center/Michigan State University, which has as of late been circled making it the biggest circled office in the US. It was FANTASTIC!!!

Ambra has t-curl, Smart does not

mech29 German your concern might be the audi transfered your old program to the new aids,I would have her spare the prgram and after that begin once again. I would have her put your most recent hearing test into the program and after that utilization the programmed program to modify the guides at that point test the outcomes

I had my guides programed utilizing the new Target programming and the auto program and they work great.I was the primary client with the new target programming and the audi was learning as he went. Im content with the results,Dont surrender the guides are incredible if set up right.

German Since September I tried the Oticon Agil master a since October likewise the Phonak Audeo S YES IX.

Today was the day of choice and I was satisfied with the Phonaks.

Since I needed the new Smarts ( same machine with another container ?) I chose for the Spice stage and took the Smarts.

Sound stated, no issue and needed to take the fitting of the YES to the Smarts (same chip). Had a few issues and after a tel call she prevailing with regards to transporting the fitting of the YES to the Smarts.

Furthermore, now I lost everything. Before TV was bad with the Oticon (but rather I could hear it) and 80% justifiable with the YES. With the Smarts I barely hear the talking. No possibility to get it. Low in uproar and another sound at this point.

I think about whether it is poosible to transport the fitting of the YES to the Smart without evolving. I have programmed, discourse in quiet, discourse in clamor and solace in commotion. Furthermore, no program will help me undarstanding individuals.

Same chip in another case ( Smarts and YES of Phonak) ...I can't trust it any longer. The YES opened the world for me, the Smarts are shutting it.

What was broken ? May be you can't take a similar fitting ?

mech29 This is day 2 for me trailing Audeo 5 Spice,So far it has been an awesome improvment.I have the standard open beneficiaries and the main issue I have is getting them into my ears,Im beyond any doubt it will show signs of improvement with training.

I was amazed by how snappy the audi programed them with the new target software.He simply utilized the auto capacity and it worked for me,I run them in auto with a volume control on the catches.

I could stare at the Tv without my circle framework without precedent for years.So far Im an upbeat camper.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Had my third change of the Ambra MicroPs yesterday. The lows were at first set too high which meddled with understanding discourse. When they were brought down, I could comprehend discourse much better.

We were on the telephone with the Phonak rep for more than two hours. Here are a few answers she gave us:

ZoomControl must be introduced in one of the five manual openings, despite the fact that it is selectable by holding the menu catch down for two seconds. This is important to take into account programming the adjusting parameters.

The louder the condition the nearer the speaker must be for StereoZoom to lift them up without an excessive amount of obstruction. In an uproarious domain a safe distance is ideal. In an all the more tranquil condition, StereoZoom will pickup sounds at different separations. A sound might be enhanced at five feet and after that at fifteen before the listener. It is vital the listening devices are appropriately put on the ear for StereoZoom to work effectively.

There are three programming openings for the iCom and five determinations: two cell phone settings, Bluetooth sound, Audio jack, and Audio FM. The coveted program must be introduced to empower calibrating of the sound parameters and additionally the mouthpiece settings when iCom is being used. Diverse presets are accessible for adjusting which will likewise control how rapidly solid starts after sound spilling has begun.

The SoundFlow (the programmed mode) has four projects that it consequently switches between: Calm circumstances, Speech-in-clamor, Music, and Comfort-in-commotion. Anybody of the four can be assigned for one of the manual spaces; in any case, in the event that you need to change the sound parameters from the parameters chosen in SoundFlow you should introduce them independently in a manual opening. For instance, on the off chance that you choose you need Music in a manual space so you can kill SoundRecover, you should introduce it independently from the SoundFlow projects or SoundRecover will side road for the greater part of the Soundflow programs.

Need to run. Will report all the more late.

A debt of gratitude is in order for the refresh Stratuscom. I went for my third adjusting session at the Audiologist on Tuesday morning and he affirmed your focuses about ZoomControl requiring a program space to program it legitimately. Truth be told, when you put ZoomControl in one of the openings and get to the settings, there is a check box on the screen which enables you to enact ZoomControl utilizing myPilot. In other words...you can't get to ZoomControl in myPilot unless you place ZoomControl in one of your 5 programming spaces. Bodes well.

I am still exceptionally satisfied with these portable amplifiers and I have been very shocked about how minimal calibrating was required to get the listening devices to this point. I trust that the new programming has a significant effect.

I have utilized the amplifiers in various distinctive conditions in the course of the most recent week and they performed to a great degree well. I'm extremely keen on hearing other individuals' impressions over the coming months. I'm keeping these portable amplifiers and the Alera 9s are backpedaling.

JordanK.

CryMeARiver Which of the zest era has a t-loop? I cannot appear to discover the information on phonak's web. This would be an arrangement executioner for me in the event that they dont offer a t-loop. There is a major development now in the U.S. to push the utilization of hearing circles. I went to a ball game at the Breslin Center/Michigan State University, which has as of late been circled making it the biggest circled office in the US. It was FANTASTIC!!!

AMT What is the distinction between the Audeo and the Ambra?

much appreciated

Phil

Stratuscom Had my third change of the Ambra MicroPs yesterday. The lows were at first set too high which meddled with understanding discourse. When they were brought down, I could comprehend discourse much better.

We were on the telephone with the Phonak rep for more than two hours. Here are a few answers she gave us:

ZoomControl must be introduced in one of the five manual spaces, despite the fact that it is selectable by holding the menu catch down for two seconds. This is important to take into account programming the adjusting parameters.

The louder the condition the nearer the speaker must be for StereoZoom to lift them up without a lot of impedance. In an uproarious situation a safe distance is ideal. In an all the more peaceful condition, StereoZoom will pickup sounds at different separations. A sound might be enhanced at five feet and after that at fifteen before the listener. It is vital the portable hearing assistants are legitimately set on the ear for StereoZoom to work effectively.

There are three programming spaces for the iCom and five choices: two cell phone settings, Bluetooth sound, Audio jack, and Audio FM. The coveted program must be introduced to empower tweaking of the sound parameters and also the amplifier settings when iCom is being used. Distinctive presets are accessible for adjusting which will likewise control how rapidly solid starts after sound spilling has begun.

The SoundFlow (the programmed mode) has four projects that it naturally switches between: Calm circumstances, Speech-in-clamor, Music, and Comfort-in-commotion. Anybody of the four can be assigned for one of the manual spaces; in any case, on the off chance that you need to change the sound parameters from the parameters chosen in SoundFlow you should introduce them independently in a manual opening. For instance, in the event that you choose you need Music in a manual opening so you can kill SoundRecover, you should introduce it independently from the SoundFlow projects or SoundRecover will side road for the greater part of the Soundflow programs.

Need to run. Will report all the more late.

mstrmac Day 4. At first have had 4 projects to play with…. auto, discourse in clamor, quiet, and music. No Volume control yet. Stereo zoom, Autozoom and DuoPhone will get initiated in a couple of days.

Solo Piano Music is brilliant, quite recently awesome in music program and programmed. Without earphones. Conceded i modified the equalizer to constrict the lows and highs however its not an emotional change. Look at SoloPianoradio.com. on the web or web radio in iTunes.

Television not great in music program or Automatic. My Audie once disclosed to me why television sound is so hard to HA clients, can't for the life of me comprehend the reason. Discourse in clamor program was better with TV. What's more, with remote earphones its even better however despite everything I have to peruse lips and inscriptions. With my discourse scores nothing will help that much.

No criticism with the model earphones i have. Presently can't seem to encounter any criticism whatsoever.

Auto in SUV. Uproarious. Like others encountering program exchanging, this is the place i see it the most, out and about. Street clamor in abundance. Changed to Calm program to deal with this. In Automatic Occasional Roaring which when i attempted to trick the auto program by turning up the radio for a couple of moments at that point turning the radio down would make the thundering or street nose leave brief.

In a jammed Apple Store discourse in commotion helped extraordinarily. In other uproarious circumstances voice emerged in both discourse in clamor program and Automatic. Keep in mind that i have been perusing lips. foreseeing what will be said next and expecting what will be said knowing the subject and protest for quite a long time so i can't be great judge of these circumstances with any HA.

At thanksgiving Dinner with relatives all visiting away…. well it was reasonable, I didn't have the Autozoom and Stereozoom to play with. They saw me hearing better however.

Next session this week probably will enhance these Smart S SP xReceivers with SlimTips.

SlimTips move around to some degree after some time, need to push them marginally in, occassionally

goodnight

SuJaDon Originally Posted by daaave

SuJaDon - will you be getting a power-vault or shell? I'd have felt that your low & mid-freq misfortune would mean you would require a mould....?

As should be obvious beneath, my audiogram is very comparable (in both "shape" and seriousness) to yours and I'd surrendered myself to molds. I'd love to have the capacity to wear an Audeo S. Is it conceivable?!

I am getting the hard shell with the Superpower X Receiver. My listening ability misfortune is inside the fitting extent for this sort of help.

daaave Originally Posted by SuJaDon

RonnieG - I am getting fitted in two or three weeks time with the Audeo S Smarts with super xreceiver. My present guides are the Micropowers same as you, so I will be following what you say with intrigue. It might help me extraordinarily when I get fitted. My Audie is not familar at all with the Aids (I am the first she has fitted and she has had no different enquiries - in reality I needed to demonstrate her where there was a super xreceiver for my listening ability misfortune

as she continued disclosing to me they were not reasonable for my listening ability misfortune)

SuJaDon - will you be getting a power-vault or shell? I'd have believed that your low & mid-freq misfortune would mean you would require a mould....?

As should be obvious beneath, my audiogram is very comparable (in both "shape" and seriousness) to yours and I'd surrendered myself to molds. I'd love to have the capacity to wear an Audeo S. Is it conceivable?!

RonnieG Thanks for the refreshed connection.

MatthewJones Sorryy - I can't give any counsel in this circumstance. Ordinarily increment the mid-extend & higher frequencies to enhance clearness. Be that as it may, I'm here to search out counsel myself (too bad). I am considring the Phonak Ambra's and would LOVE to hear a few audits from the Audiolgists point of view and in addition the end clients.

It would appear that my 12/3 trial will be put off a week or something like that... Not what I needed but rather exactly how the timetables fall!

i trust all had an extraordinary Thanksgiving. Despite everything i'm full - Well, just got once again from the films {Happy Potter} and ate excessively poo! That didn't offer assistance!!

Appreciate..

Initially Posted by Stratuscom

I saw today that I was having issues understanding individuals in quiet circumstances with the Ambras in programmed, however when I changed to Zoomcontrol in the quiet condition I could comprehend them. Anybody have a proposal in the matter of what alterations are required?

Stratuscom I saw today that I was having issues understanding individuals in quiet circumstances with the Ambras in programmed, yet when I changed to Zoomcontrol in the quiet condition I could comprehend them. Anybody have a recommendation in the matter of what modifications are required?

SuJaDon Originally Posted by JordanK

I think my audiologist is charging roughly $6K for the new Smart IXs with iCom, myPilot and boundless visits. The commonplace government here in Ontario, Canada kicks in $1,000 give (at regular intervals) and my organization therapeutic protection pays another $500. The Canadian assessment division at that point gives you a chance to discount the rest as a restorative cost reasoning on your pay government form so you get the expense you paid on this sum back as a discount.

So...

Savvy IXs: $6,000

Prov Grant: - $1,000

Med Ins: - $500

Duty Refund: - $1,000

So...the net cost to me is about $3,500. On the off chance that I keep them 3 years then its about $100 every month to hear appropriately. Not an awful arrangement in light of present circumstances.

JordanK.

Exceptionally intriguing. I will get a discount from my Medical Cover of $500.00 and most likely around $1,500.00 in my Tax Refund and I get NOTHING at all from the Government. I would pay anything to hear legitimately (goodness well inside reason)

JordanK Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Hearnow - I am paying $9,000.00 which incorporates the remote and the icom. These are for the highest point of the range Audeo S Smarts with the superpower x beneficiary. What's your considerations? Would love to hear them.

I think my audiologist is charging roughly $6K for the new Smart IXs with iCom, myPilot and boundless visits. The common government here in Ontario, Canada kicks in $1,000 concede (like clockwork) and my organization restorative protection pays another $500. The Canadian duty division at that point gives you a chance to discount the rest as a restorative cost finding on your pay expense form so you get the assessment you paid on this sum back as a discount.

So...

Keen IXs: $6,000

Prov Grant: - $1,000

Med Ins: - $500

Expense Refund: - $1,000

So...the net cost to me is about $3,500. On the off chance that I keep them 3 years then its about $100 every month to hear appropriately. Not an awful arrangement taking all things into account.

JordanK.

EnglishDispenser I likewise have boundless visits for changes for the life of the amplifiers.

Suppose 10 visits of 60 minutes.

At the US cost specified that works out at $450 every hour. Not awful!

SuJaDon Originally Posted by xbulder

that is expensive..

so what is the current charging cost in the US ?

SuJaDon Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

Wow ... I am unmistakably undercharging here in the UK ... my present cost is closer $4500 for 2 x beat end SMART S IX in addition to icom & mypilot.

Happy to hear what your costs are. I likewise have boundless visits for changes for the life of the listening devices.

cnicklo Hi RonnieG,

A debt of gratitude is in order for including your extremely point by point audit for those of us considering the Phonaks with the new Spice chip. They've truly gained ground with this most recent era. It's incredible to have your examinations of old and new.

Here's a refreshed connection with the tip alternatives for the Spice arrangement. Your connection demonstrated a more seasoned arrangement of choices, I think. http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/ph...nformation.pdf

Much obliged once more. I can hardly wait to begin my trial under two weeks from now.

Chris

Initially Posted by RonnieG

Cheerful Thanksgiving!

For those of you with inquiries concerning the diverse tip alternatives (thin tip versus shell, etc.)...Please see the accompanying link...http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/ph...T_PI_Sheet.pdf

xbulder Originally Posted by RonnieG

Glad Thanksgiving!

For those of you with inquiries regarding the distinctive tip choices (thin tip versus shell, etc.)...Please see the accompanying link...http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/ph...T_PI_Sheet.pdf

Day 2.....

To start with let me say that I selected to attempt these HA's with Phonak's suggested settings on auto mode. I had the audiologist program the catches on the HA's to control volume rather than programs. I didn't utilize any remote control or bluetooth (icom) adornments. The purpose behind this needs to do with my related knowledge with the first Audeo keen IX's. With those HA's I requested everything all at once...Icom, Ipilot and Hearing guides. I found that I was attempting to change settings far too every now and again to attempt and get the HA's to work for me in the greater part of life's diverse situations. This was a dull procedure that did not work extremely well for me - I restored the HA's following a 6 week trial as noted in my past post. I emphatically trust that a first class HA should work as a rule a lion's share of the time without the requirement for manual controls. I chose to attempt and give the new zest chip a shot and purposely skirted the capacity to change settings by means of listening device or remote.

There are advantages and disadvantages to this approach. My experience today affirms that these HA's change programs too every now and again. I wish I had an Icom with the goal that I could attempt to take after which programs are being used at any given time. A dominant part of regular listening circumstances don't can be categorized as one of Phonak's pre-characterized sound handling conditions. I think that its stunning that these listening devices consistently examine sounds and attempt to modify intensification and concealment in view of inside calculations, yet I feel this is as yet a defective science. My cerebrum is as yet reeling from a day spent feeling like I'm venturing on and off a plane at 30,000 ft elevation. Not exclusively is there discontinuous sentiments of ear stopping, yet there is additionally irregular murmuring and infrequent thundering - shifting from a sensation like tuning in to an ocean shell oceanside to the murmur of a plane fly motor at 30K feet. There are ordinarily for the duration of the day were I can't pass judgment on my own voice because of the vibe of ear stopping. Everybody instructs me to quit talking so uproarious on occasion.

On the positive side...I realize that these portable hearing assistants will function admirably on the off chance that I can just locate the right stable preparing mode for my listening ability misfortune. There are incidental circumstances for the duration of the day when they really solid great. I wish that I could simply solidify the sound preparing in whatever mode they are in however lamentably that is impossible without the manual remote controls. When working accurately, stable is fresh and clear...voices sound great...my claim voice sounds natural...and my environment sound rich and common. My Micropowers are extraordinary listening devices yet I need to state that while everything is clear and fresh, sounds are more direct in nature. Sort of like mono versus stereo sound. The Spice Smarts are more similar to stereo sound. Have you at any point been in another theater with a top of the line sound framework? Rich and normal sound from all directions....that's what the audeo s keen IX's sound like when they are not holding a candle to the current situation a horde of sound handling conventions.

I will call my audiologist tomorrow and request a remote or an Ipilot. When I get my hands on this, I'm certain I will have the capacity to make sense of what modes I like and aversion. At that point I will go in for tweaking.

By the way...wind square element appeared to work better today. Another fascinating issue that I'm having is that my L listening device appears to be more hindered (completion sensation) today than the R. Recently it was the inverse. I don't know why this is.

One final thing....

I felt that possibly everything was simply in my mind and I simply expected to get used to my new listening devices. I don't think this is the situation. In the first place, I had my better half and my 13 year old child wear the Audeo savvy S IX's (subsequent to cranking the volume down however much as could be expected obviously) for around 10 minutes or something like that and they concur with my discoveries as expressed previously. Likewise, when I take my smarts out and utilize the micropowers, I don't have these issues.

Anyway, sad about the long post.

I'm eager to share my encounters and get input from people in comparable circumstances.

Perusing your posts about "I wish that I could simply solidify the sound preparing in whatever mode they are in however sadly that is impossible". Maybe the arrangement

is the Unitron identification they have a remote control with the choice of "learn now"

and furthermore a confort - clearness control. I would try them out.

They are not on a par with the phonaks but rather the self learning is awesome i think...

xbulder Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Hearnow - I am paying $9,000.00 which incorporates the remote and the icom. These are for the highest point of the range Audeo S Smarts with the superpower x collector. What's your considerations? Would love to hear them.

that is expensive..

EnglishDispenser Hearnow - I am paying $9,000.00 which incorporates the remote and the icom.

Wow ... I am unmistakably undercharging here in the UK ... my present cost is closer $4500 for 2 x best end SMART S IX in addition to icom & mypilot.

German Ronnie G

You portray precisely my inclination following 4 weeks

Yesterday was a decent day. I had additionally days like you portray:

The stereo feeling, the possess voice troublesome, the left guide with more impediment

furthermore, the evolving.

One point in Target was the response time. Sound motivated it to moderate. She needed to stop the evolving. In any case, the changing deteriorated. So we backpedaled to a speedier response time.

The nice sentiment I had yesterday was just in the "discourse in clamor" program and in one settled circumstance. That was great, yet the primary day in 4 weeks.

I can share your experience.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

What amount would you say you are paying on the off chance that I may inquire?

Hearnow - I am paying $9,000.00 which incorporates the remote and the icom. These are for the highest point of the range Audeo S Smarts with the superpower x recipient. What's your contemplations? Would love to hear them.

RonnieG Happy Thanksgiving!

For those of you with inquiries regarding the distinctive tip alternatives (thin tip versus shell, etc.)...Please see the accompanying link...http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/ph...T_PI_Sheet.pdf

Day 2.....

To begin with let me say that I picked to attempt these HA's with Phonak's prescribed settings on auto mode. I had the audiologist program the catches on the HA's to control volume rather than programs. I didn't utilize any remote control or bluetooth (icom) adornments. The purpose behind this needs to do with my related knowledge with the first Audeo savvy IX's. With those HA's I requested everything all at once...Icom, Ipilot and Hearing guides. I found that I was attempting to change settings far too as often as possible to attempt and get the HA's to work for me in the majority of life's diverse situations. This was a dreary procedure that did not work extremely well for me - I restored the HA's following a 6 week trial as noted in my past post. I emphatically trust that a first class HA should work by and large a greater part of the time without the requirement for manual controls. I chose to attempt and give the new flavor chip a shot and intentionally circumvent the capacity to change settings through portable amplifier or remote.

There are advantages and disadvantages to this approach. My experience today affirms that these HA's change programs too every now and again. I wish I had an Icom with the goal that I could attempt to take after which programs are being used at any given time. A dominant part of regular listening circumstances don't can be categorized as one of Phonak's pre-characterized sound handling conditions. I think that its astounding that these portable amplifiers constantly investigate sounds and attempt to alter intensification and concealment in light of inward calculations, however I feel this is as yet a flawed science. My mind is as yet reeling from a day spent feeling like I'm venturing on and off a plane at 30,000 ft elevation. Not exclusively is there irregular sentiments of ear stopping, however there is additionally discontinuous murmuring and infrequent thundering - fluctuating from a sensation like tuning in to an ocean shell oceanside to the murmur of a plane fly motor at 30K feet. There are ordinarily for the duration of the day were I can't pass judgment on my own voice because of the vibe of ear stopping. Everybody instructs me to quit talking so uproarious on occasion.

On the positive side...I realize that these amplifiers will function admirably in the event that I can just locate the right solid handling mode for my listening ability misfortune. There are infrequent circumstances for the duration of the day when they really solid superb. I wish that I could simply solidify the sound handling in whatever mode they are in however tragically that is impossible without the manual remote controls. When working effectively, stable is fresh and clear...voices sound great...my claim voice sounds natural...and my environment sound rich and common. My Micropowers are extraordinary portable amplifiers yet I need to state that while everything is clear and fresh, sounds are more straight in nature. Sort of like mono versus stereo sound. The Spice Smarts are more similar to stereo sound. Have you at any point been in another theater with a top of the line sound framework? Rich and regular sound from all directions....that's what the audeo s shrewd IX's sound like when they are not having any significant bearing a bunch of sound handling conventions.

I will call my audiologist tomorrow and request a remote or an Ipilot. When I get my hands on this, I'm certain I will have the capacity to make sense of what modes I like and aversion. At that point I will go in for tweaking.

By the way...wind piece highlight appeared to work better today. Another fascinating issue that I'm having is that my L portable amplifier appears to be more deterred (completion sensation) today than the R. Recently it was the inverse. I don't know why this is.

One final thing....

I believed that possibly everything was simply in my mind and I simply expected to get used to my new amplifiers. I don't think this is the situation. In the first place, I had my significant other and my 13 year old child wear the Audeo keen S IX's (in the wake of cranking the volume down however much as could reasonably be expected obviously) for around 10 minutes or something like that and they concur with my discoveries as expressed previously. Likewise, when I take my smarts out and utilize the micropowers, I don't have these issues.

Anyway, sad about the long post.

I'm eager to share my encounters and get criticism from people in comparable circumstances.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Its a pity you weren't in Melbourne hearnow :- ( Could truly do with somebody realizing what they were doing particularly with all the $$'s I'm paying.

What amount would you say you are paying in the event that I may inquire?

onlyme Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Its a pity you weren't in Melbourne hearnow :- ( Could truly do with somebody realizing what they were doing particularly with all the $$'s I'm paying.

I share your disappointment (but from the opposite side of the world!)

Regardless i'm sitting tight for a couple of Ambra in-the-ear helps.

Today should be the day when I was fitted, yet my audi had requested the wrong model....

mstrmac Originally Posted by JordanK

Intrigued to hear what you requested. The client manage for the Smart IXs indicates both a shell and something many refer to as a "Slimtip" Was thinking about whether somebody could disclose to me what the distinction is.

JordanK.

Fundamentally they filter the feeling that is made by your Fitter, digitize the impression, document it under your data at that point make the empty delicate shells to the advanced data of your impression.

Web seek:

SlimTip Soft - Better fixing, maintenance and wearing solace

With SlimTip Soft, Phonak presents the primary custom earpieces that are created with computerized UV delicate shell material. Contrasted with standard hard acrylic shells, the adaptable material limits the weight for delicate ear waterways and gives most extreme wearing solace, particularly for long wearing periods. The imaginative advanced UV innovation utilized as a part of the assembling procedure, created by Phonak, conveys high exactness and offers simple replication of indistinguishable parts if there should arise an occurrence of redo, harm or misfortune. Computerized 3D demonstrating of the earpieces enables Phonak to offer the profoundly acclaimed AOV (Acoustically Optimized Venting) innovation surprisingly to be utilized with small scale BTE and CRT instruments. AOV innovation plans the privilege measured vent into every earpiece, altered to the patient's listening ability profile, limiting impediment while giving the fundamental advantage.

The imaginative SlimTip Soft earpieces are accessible as empty SlimTips

and.....

The C-Shell is a hard or delicate material like a custom in-the - ear mold..... empty for arrangement of recipient and venting.

Expectation this makes a difference

German Hi hearnow

The Phonaks came only aut of the crate and we fitted it together with the new programming. I think,this program is absolutely new to the sound lady.

Criticism supervisor is off. The primary concern is Phonak programming.

In Agil she changed the Otocon proposition and she is extremely adaptable.

To start with she had modified just 1 programmed program for Phonak. I needed manual and she did, included 2 manual projects ( Speech in quiet and discourse in clamor)

Next fitting is in 8 days.

The discourse in clamor today gives some expectation, since I dreaded, the Phonak would not deal with that privilege.

We are en route to wind up freinds: Phonak and me.

I test the YES ,yet would prefere the keen. So the first zest brilliant comes to test in the following weeks,

I changed the position of the arch and tried minor tumult

Possibly my cerebrum gets mor used to the HA or the HA realize, what to do in a few circumstances.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

Seeing that your audi is new to the Spice, simply ensure she enters the acoustic parameters of the guides before beginning a fitting. She may likewise get an earmould code from Phonak which she needs to enter. She HAS to run the input chief as it additionally assessed RECD which appears to enhance initially fit drastically. Likewise ensure you let her know whether anything is not surprisingly as you most likely find out about what's in store by perusing this discussion than she does.

The product is a great deal more straightforward than iPFG once you feel comfortable around here, so I am certain she'll be alright.

Good fortunes

Its a pity you weren't in Melbourne hearnow :- ( Could truly do with somebody realizing what they were doing particularly with all the $$'s I'm paying.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

RonnieG - I am getting fitted in a little while time with the Audeo S Smarts with super xreceiver. My present guides are the Micropowers same as you, so I will be following what you say with intrigue. It might help me enormously when I get fitted. My Audie is not familar at all with the Aids (I am the first she has fitted and she has had no different enquiries - in reality I needed to demonstrate her where there was a super xreceiver for my listening ability misfortune

as she continued revealing to me they were not reasonable for my listening ability misfortune)

Seeing that your audi is new to the Spice, simply ensure she enters the acoustic parameters of the guides before beginning a fitting. She may likewise get an earmould code from Phonak which she needs to enter. She HAS to run the criticism chief as it likewise assessed RECD which appears to enhance initially fit drastically. Additionally ensure you let her know whether anything is not surprisingly as you likely find out about what's in store by perusing this gathering than she does.

The product is significantly more basic than iPFG once you feel comfortable around here, so I am certain she'll be alright.

Good fortunes

hearnow Originally Posted by German

I could test the Spice YES yesterday and today in exceptionally loud circumstances.

Circumstance 1:

Boisterous eatery, noisy commotion out of the kitchen and the bar.

The HA experienced issues with the commotion. It was difficult to comprehend discourse

clear, on the grounds that the HA focused on the commotion next to. In any case, it was conceivable. Some pumping and changing of the concentration (zoom). Oticons (agil genius) are better in this circumstance however have a higher tone. My Phonaks are more common. The Spice Phonaks achieved 60% of my desires.

Circumstance 2:

50 individuals in a lobby, remaining on little tables and noisy speeking.

No kitchen commotion. Just the speeking of the considerable number of individuals.

The Spice helps made an extraordinary showing with regards to. I could comprehend discourse in front, on the left and on the privilege. No pumping and no change of the sound. Program was discourse in commotion yet with brought down tumult. The arches had a decent arrangement, bringing down the clamor appears to work better. The flavor helps achieved 90% of my desires.

So it was an extraordinary day for the new phonaks. May be they learn.

Hello there again German,

Siutation 1 seems as though it would have profited more from StereoZoom than Automatic. You could have likewise turned up the flexControl whihc is intended to enhance discourse lucidity while holding commotion down.

I am however cheerful to see you are improving. Have you been returned to the audi for a few changes since you were fitted?

JordanK Great remarks RonnieG!! Continue posting your impressions....

Initially Posted by RonnieG

A few issues that I have so far with the new HA's from my restricted 5 hour trial.

1. An excess of sound preparing. Auto program has an excessive number of choices to go through and despite the fact that program moving is unpretentious, I see it and It's bothering. Perhaps I'm recently not accustomed to it. Example....I'm in the Suburban with the children. Music is on and I can't hear it aside from haphazardly - listening devices will periodically get base and I will hear all the more a thunder like murmuring than any music. I'm sitting at my Mac and my better half is staring at the TV out of sight - I hear the sound from the TV discontinuously and it is spent with a low ocean shell like thunder.

I do concur with this point. The soundflow changing helps to smooth out the move when the portable hearing assistants switch programs yet I do concur that it switches excessively. This has a tendency to occur in extremely boisterous/occupied conditions. I think the best arrangement here is to change to one of the manual projects when you get into an occupied/loud circumstance. Huge numbers of the listening devices that I have possessed throughout the years didn't have a programmed mode and you were continually exchanging programs. Having a programmed program is an immense reward however it doesn't generally hit the nail on the head.

Initially Posted by RonnieG

2. Wind Block highlight is not very impressive - wind clamor is too boisterous when contrasted with my old micropowers.

I have no issues with windblock by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe this element was killed by botch.

Initially Posted by RonnieG

3 I'm wearing the delicate Power Domes and kid are they awkward. My custom shells ought to be accessible in about a week or somewhere in the vicinity.

Intrigued to hear what you requested. The client control for the Smart IXs demonstrates both a shell and something many refer to as a "Slimtip" Was thinking about whether somebody could reveal to me what the distinction is.

Initially Posted by RonnieG

4. My voice sounds distinctive incrementally. I can't pass judgment on the volume of my voice on occasion since I have an impeded feeling with specific projects.

Same thing transpires yet I don't think that its vexatious. I think you get this when you the portable amplifier picks a program with overwhelming commotion decrease. The base commonly gets removed and this makes it feel impeded..

Initially Posted by RonnieG

. I can be in a similar situation - quit room, TV in the backround, constrained conversing with spouse and children - and the HA will push through various diverse auto modes - this is exceptionally chafing and confounding.

Think you can alter this in the settings. I appear to recollect the audiologist saying that you can adjust the rationale that the portable hearing assistant uses to switch programs. Maybe its excessively delicate. Awesome remarks. I'm trusting that Phonak is hiding on this discourse board and can address these things in a refresh. These are incredible portable amplifiers that will most likely keep on improving.

JordanK.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by RonnieG

Hi everybody.

I'm new to this discussion (simply joined) and I'm enchanted to find that it exists. I've perused many strings and I truly value everybody's information.

I've been wearing HA's since youth. I have respectably serious hearing misfortune reciprocally - 60 to 85 dB misfortune in all cases. I'll post my audiogram later.

I've been wearing Phonak MicroPowers for as long as 3-4 years and I adore them. I utilize the Watchpilot with phenomenal outcomes - 2 modes just - auto and another program with sound concealment killed.

I've been in the market for new listening devices for as far back as 6 months or so...after sending my phonaks in for repair and understanding that my old Starkey portable hearing assistants were not decreasing ups.

I attempted the Phonak Audeo Smarts IX's 3 months prior and I abhorred them. Sound was stifled, HA's continued exchanging projects, and I just couldn't hear well by any stretch of the imagination. My Micropowers were vastly improved guides. Numerous visits to the audiologist neglected to determine my issues and I in the long run returned them toward the finish of my 6 week trial.

I just got another match of Audeo S Smart IX's today and I should state that, following 5 hours of utilization, the new Spice chip is a major change. Sound is all the more clear and voices are not muted. When I initially embedded the HA's there was a lot of foundation murmuring - like tuning in to ocean shell oceanside. The audiologist made a few changes and generally settled this. I attempted the guides with no further acclimation to perceive how Phonak's suggested settings will function. Up until now, I would state that discourse clearness is practically comparable to my micropowers - not certain on the off chance that I am one-sided toward the micorpowers following 3 years of utilization and "cerebrum preparing" or not.

A few issues that I have so far with the new HA's from my constrained 5 hour trial.

1. An excess of sound handling. Auto program has an excessive number of choices to burn through and in spite of the fact that program moving is inconspicuous, I see it and It's disturbing. Possibly I'm recently not accustomed to it. Example....I'm in the Suburban with the children. Music is on and I can't hear it aside from arbitrarily - portable amplifiers will at times get base and I will hear to a greater extent a thunder like murmuring than any music. I'm sitting at my Mac and my significant other is staring at the TV out of sight - I hear the sound from the TV irregularly and it is exhausted with a low ocean shell like thunder.

2. Wind Block include is less than impressive - wind clamor is too boisterous when contrasted with my old micropowers.

3 I'm wearing the delicate Power Domes and kid are they awkward. My custom shells ought to be accessible in about a week or something like that.

4. My voice sounds diverse incrementally. I can't pass judgment on the volume of my voice now and again on the grounds that I have a blocked feeling with specific projects.

5. I can be in a similar domain - quit room, TV in the backround, constrained conversing with spouse and children - and the HA will push through numerous distinctive auto modes - this is extremely aggravating and befuddling.

I realize that huge numbers of perusers are nearly observing other's involvement with these guides - as I have been. I can sincerely say that they are vastly improved than the standard (non-zest chip) Audeo Smart IX's "out of the crate." I am an exceptionally finicky client and I think I made my Audiologist crazy over these previous couple of months. I will keep on posting my encounters with these new HA's and ideally I can inspire them to work for me throughout the following couple of weeks.

RonnieG - I am getting fitted in half a month time with the Audeo S Smarts with super xreceiver. My present guides are the Micropowers same as you, so I will be following what you say with intrigue. It might help me enormously when I get fitted. My Audie is not familar at all with the Aids (I am the first she has fitted and she has had no different enquiries - in reality I needed to demonstrate her where there was a super xreceiver for my listening ability misfortune

as she continued revealing to me they were not reasonable for my listening ability misfortune)

German I could test the Spice YES yesterday and today in extremely uproarious circumstances.

Circumstance 1:

Uproarious eatery, boisterous commotion out of the kitchen and the bar.

The HA experienced issues with the clamor. It was difficult to comprehend discourse

clear, in light of the fact that the HA focused on the clamor adjacent to. Be that as it may, it was conceivable. Some pumping and changing of the concentration (zoom). Oticons (agil star) are better in this circumstance yet have a higher tone. My Phonaks are more characteristic. The Spice Phonaks achieved 60% of my desires.

Circumstance 2:

50 individuals in a corridor, remaining on little tables and uproarious speeking.

No kitchen commotion. Just the speeking of the considerable number of individuals.

The Spice helps made an incredible showing with regards to. I could comprehend discourse in front, on the left and on the privilege. No pumping and no change of the sound. Program was discourse in commotion yet with brought down tumult. The vaults had a decent situation, bringing down the uproar appears to work better. The zest helps achieved 90% of my desires.

So it was an extraordinary day for the new phonaks. May be they learn.

RonnieG Hello there everybody.

I'm new to this gathering (simply joined) and I'm enchanted to find that it exists. I've perused many strings and I truly value everybody's info.

I've been wearing HA's since adolescence. I have tolerably serious hearing misfortune respectively - 60 to 85 dB misfortune no matter how you look at it. I'll post my audiogram later.

I've been wearing Phonak MicroPowers for as far back as 3-4 years and I adore them. I utilize the Watchpilot with brilliant outcomes - 2 modes just - auto and another program with sound concealment killed.

I've been in the market for new amplifiers for as far back as 6 months or so...after sending my phonaks in for repair and understanding that my old Starkey listening devices were not reducing ups.

I attempted the Phonak Audeo Smarts IX's 3 months prior and I abhorred them. Sound was stifled, HA's continued exchanging projects, and I just couldn't hear well by any means. My Micropowers were vastly improved guides. Different visits to the audiologist neglected to determine my issues and I in the end returned them toward the finish of my 6 week trial.

I just got another match of Audeo S Smart IX's today and I should state that, following 5 hours of utilization, the new Spice chip is a major change. Sound is all the more clear and voices are not stifled. When I initially embedded the HA's there was a lot of foundation murmuring - like tuning in to ocean shell oceanside. The audiologist made a few changes and for the most part settled this. I attempted the guides with no further change in accordance with perceive how Phonak's suggested settings will function. Up until now, I would state that discourse lucidity is nearly tantamount to my micropowers - not certain in the event that I am one-sided toward the micorpowers following 3 years of utilization and "cerebrum preparing" or not.

A few issues that I have so far with the new HA's from my restricted 5 hour trial.

1. An excessive amount of sound preparing. Auto program has excessively numerous choices to push through and despite the fact that program moving is unobtrusive, I see it and It's aggravating. Perhaps I'm quite recently not accustomed to it. Example....I'm in the Suburban with the children. Music is on and I can't hear it aside from arbitrarily - portable amplifiers will infrequently get base and I will hear even more a thunder like murmuring than any music. I'm sitting at my Mac and my better half is staring at the TV out of sight - I hear the sound from the TV discontinuously and it is exhausted with a low ocean shell like thunder.

2. Wind Block highlight is below average - wind clamor is too noisy when contrasted with my old micropowers.

3 I'm wearing the delicate Power Domes and kid are they awkward. My custom shells ought to be accessible in about a week or thereabouts.

4. My voice sounds diverse incrementally. I can't pass judgment on the volume of my voice now and again in light of the fact that I have a blocked feeling with specific projects.

5. I can be in a similar domain - quit room, TV in the backround, constrained conversing with spouse and children - and the HA will push through various distinctive auto modes - this is exceptionally bothering and confounding.

I realize that huge numbers of perusers are nearly observing other's involvement with these guides - as I have been. I can genuinely say that they are greatly improved than the standard (non-zest chip) Audeo Smart IX's "out of the container." I am an extremely finicky client and I think I made my Audiologist crazy over these previous couple of months. I will keep on posting my encounters with these new HA's and ideally I can motivate them to work for me throughout the following couple of weeks.

JordanK I've been utilizing the Audeo S Smart IXs for two or three weeks now and they are truly great. Very little to truly grumble about yet. Lets trust it remains as such.

I snared the TV interface throughout the end of the week and it likewise works great. Its not in the same class as the Aleras where the TV connect transmits appropriate to the listening devices with no interface yet its still great. I kept running into a strange issue today When my high school little girl returned home with a cluster of companions after school and began beating without end with Rockband 2 on her XBox. I had idiotically left the Phonak TV connect on ground floor and I was discreetly working without end in my home office two story up. I had the iCom close by my neck in the event that I got a telephone call and when she began playing Rockband 2, my ears got impacted with trashy substantial metal music. Terrified the poop out of me and it took me five minutes to make sense of where the music was coming from....hehehehe. It never jumped out at me that the freakin TV connection would have the range to experience 2 stories of hardwood and furniture to interface with my portable amplifiers. Next time will kill the connection when I'm done staring at the TV.

I had a progression of gatherings this week and the portable amplifiers performed great. The present meeting was with a mild-mannered senior executive with an overwhelming Pakistani mishap. I began having issues understanding him however in the wake of flipping the portable amplifiers to StereoZoom and wrenching up the volume a few clicks...all was well. The zooming elements of these listening devices are a lifeline and they unquestionably increment your perception in uproarious circumstances. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination seeing the loss of directionality with this component. I know a cluster of you have communicated some worry about this yet SteroZoom is truly expected to be utilized for tuning in to sounds specifically before you. AutoZoom is more suited to sounds from various bearings and I haven't had any issues with directionality while utilizing this component. I think the purpose behind this is I for the most part keep the listening devices on programmed. I just zoom when I need to center a known way.

I'm extremely upbeat up until this point and trust me...I am an exceptionally fastidious portable hearing assistant client. Phonak hit the nail on the head this time. Next huge test for them is to supplant the iCom with something littler that has no wire.

Jordan.

German When the ultrazoom chooses what is needed and undesirable sound, at that point my HA chose it at regular intervals in an unexpected way. Some of the time in one sentence.

It is better now, yet it was a hard way.

You had no issues with the bearing.

Circumstance: Walking over a calm place, some individual is calling "Hallo"

Do you know where it originated from ? I didn't, I checked out like a trick.

Possibly it is a minor issue, since I can hear it now and couldn't hear it some time recently.

Possibly I need excessively. The Agils don't have the issue. I can hear precisely the bearing. In any case, they don't give me the boisterous hearing.

Would be fascinating, on the off chance that you don't have issues with the course with the Spice era. What's more, how to take care of the issue ( a few people appear to have it), so I can run with some data in the following fitting.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by davidbarry

So my worry is that the new Spicee has these new components where the flag is transmitted crosswise over both HAs, however then it's difficult to tell where sound is originating from. So my inquiry all in all: is there a lot of preparing going on, is it truly helping, or is perplexing?

UltraZoom, as I comprehend it, distinguishes and crosses out individual undesirable sounds. Every so often, it will distinguish an attractive sound, for example, the auto radio, as undesirable and lessen it; and than again it will recognize a sound, similar to street commotion, as alluring and let it pass. This happens occasionally and the guides do appear to auto adjust. There isn't an issue with misidentifying the bearing in Automatic, yet when in ZoomControl, which directionally focusses the mics, foundation commotion appears to originate from the course the mics are pointing be that as it may, it is not sufficiently boisterous to be an issue.

I used sound gushing with the iCom today to convey over a two-route radio in a fly plane. The sound quality was the best I have ever heard with any headset, yet there was issue. Amid times of radio quiet, the sound returns to the portable hearing assistant amplifiers. There Is a four second postponement from the time correspondence begins again and sound gushing locks in. This renders it unusable for radio correspondence. I don't think there is a work around for this issue. Clamor lessening was on par or somewhat superior to anything my past guides, however tuning in finished the handset is impractical in the acoustic telephone mode starting at yet. I will attempt again after I have my audiologist lessen the mids and lows.

mstrmac I began my trial Tuesday Nov 23. The Smart S IX Superpower with the ThinTips. Stealth shading Black. I some of the time cannot see them myself in the mirror. Got the chance to look close. I am truly extreme to significant. Who might have thought only a couple of years prior. This is the thing that i have been sitting tight for.

Dont have anything to add to what has been said up until this point. However, i would like to include that at work in the lounge with humming candy machines i caught a low talking shrill female voice on my right side as i was strolling through. I clicked to discourse in clamor as i went into the room however never at any point thought to think to hear in such conditions yet my mind just lifted her up and i heard her without exertion. She has dependably been hard to hear yet i was not in any case intrigued and i was not glancing toward her.

After some pondered this occasion, a couple of minutes after the fact i really shed a couple of tears. That is no buildup. We'll see.

davidbarry Originally Posted by German

I simply made a test.

The oticon agil genius on the correct side and the Phonak Audeo S YES on the left side.

Incredible.

Oticon great in the higher frequencies. More Bass was bad.

However, the Phonak had more bass a the left.

It resembled stereo.

Conclusion:

I am as yet not persuaded, that the solidarity of both ears with a similar flag is useful for the brain.The Spice highlight might be in fact great, however not regular for the mind.

Also, the Phonak-Zoomchanging in programmed is not to deal with for the mind.

(I made this involvement with Spice)

May be I should trial the Smarts. I trust, they would not have this "claim - voice - commands - my - head" Feeling. like the YES

I have heard such incredible things about the Smart IX S Series (Spice) from JoranK and others, yet something that is crawling through is the variability or bewilderment of the HAs particularly in StereoZoom. One thing I haven't enjoyed about the fundamental Smart IXs is the sudden changes, I'm talking outside with my significant other and all of a sudden the HAs change and my hearinig is stifled and I can scarcely hear her. Practically like excessively preparing going on. Is it going into discourse in commotion or solace in clamor? Yet, why is it doing it at the wrong time precisely when i require the lucidity of hearing.

So my worry is that the new Spicee has these new components where the flag is radiated crosswise over both HAs, yet then it's difficult to tell where sound is originating from. So my inquiry when all is said in done: is there an excess of preparing going on, is it truly helping, or is confusing?

I know JordanK had awesome accomplishment in Las Vegas, however would be intrigued to hear what others are encountering. Will see my audi one week from now and chat with her about the Spice HAs. She revealed to me she is having an inservice about them in no time. So I think I'd get a kick out of the chance to trial them.

Much obliged.

German I absolutely won't purchase two unique guides.

The new zest appears to be great, when the fitting is fruitful.

hearing is great, yet talking is an agony with the possess voice. Be that as it may, you perceived the issue.

In 1 or 2 weeks I need to choose. I think the Phonak flavor brilliant IX will win. At the point when fitted well. I am not a companion of the programmed programs. However, on the opposite side: when I wipe out all the programmed things on zest, why should I purchase the IX ?

Arches must be changed, here you are very right.

I think you should be exceptionally experienced and great in your employment.

hearnow Originally Posted by German

I think you made the point.

The vaults are distinctive and the Phonaks are more shut.

The sound knows about Oticon, the new Target is troublesome for her.

When I needed to change the programmed, in light of the fact that it was pumping she rolled out a few improvements.

Furthermore, these progressions exacerbated it even.

The xpower recipient on the Phonaks is more intense than the medium beneficiary of Oticon.

I could utilize the power-recipient from Oticon, however it is huge, greater than Phonak.

May be, there is excessively bass in the phonaks. The oticons are awful with the bass.

So as a general rule ( I wear it today) it is to be sure the best, when I where the Phonak on the left side and the Oticon on the privilege.

In any case, I would not purchase this blend.

Good answer from you, bless your heart.

My Pleasure

I would unquestionably not utilize two distinct guides on every ear as it WILL meddle after some time with the cerebrum's capacity to prepare sound and each guide responds diversely to the acoustic condition and needs to shape new associations with incorporate this data. Keep in mind, the ear is essentially the cerebrum's receiver, the mind is the hearing organ and is a versatile organ that progressions in light of the boosts it gets.

German I think you made the point.

The arches are distinctive and the Phonaks are more shut.

The sound knows about Oticon, the new Target is troublesome for her.

When I needed to change the programmed, in light of the fact that it was pumping she rolled out a few improvements.

Also, these progressions aggravated it even.

The xpower recipient on the Phonaks is more effective than the medium beneficiary of Oticon.

I could utilize the power-recipient from Oticon, yet it is enormous, greater than Phonak.

May be, there is excessively bass in the phonaks. The oticons are awful with the bass.

So as a general rule ( I wear it today) it is to be sure the best, when I where the Phonak on the left side and the Oticon on the privilege.

Be that as it may, I would not purchase this blend.

Good answer from you, much obliged.

hearnow Originally Posted by German

Perhaps, yet the number and the area of the mouthpieces is diverse in Smarts and YES.

Phonak itself made some delineation of the diverse area.

The mics are the same and the position is the same i.e in the horisontal plane. The Yes required an augmentation to accomplish this, along these lines the rabbit look. So no utilitarian distinction.

German, I presume the additional bass that you are encountering from your Phonak's is likely because of a distinction in arch utilized between the Agil and Phonak. A shut vault on the Phonak may cause a nasal quality if your low recurrence hearing is great. The way that your are additionally utilizing the Auto ZoomControl as your fundamental program, makes me question the fitter's commonality with this new item. I need to concede that my initial couple of fittings were dubious, yet after many sets, it is currently MUCH simpler and I am reviewing a portion of the initial ones to enhance the fit now that I know the item better.

alpine1 Excellent focuses.

I was uninformed of the quantity of mics being distinctive.

Initially Posted by German

Perhaps, however the number and the area of the mouthpieces is distinctive in Smarts and YES.

Phonak itself made some delineation of the distinctive area.

German Maybe, yet the number and the area of the amplifiers is distinctive in Smarts and YES.

Phonak itself made some representation of the diverse area.

alpine1 Same machine diverse box

Initially Posted by German

May be I should trial the Smarts. I trust, they would not have this "claim - voice - overwhelms - my - head" Feeling. like the YES

German I simply made a test.

The oticon agil expert on the correct side and the Phonak Audeo S YES on the left side.

Incredible.

Oticon great in the higher frequencies. More Bass was bad.

Be that as it may, the Phonak had more bass a the left.

It resembled stereo.

Conclusion:

I am as yet not persuaded, that the solidarity of both ears with a similar flag is useful for the brain.The Spice highlight might be actually great, yet not normal for the mind.

What's more, the Phonak-Zoomchanging in programmed is not to deal with for the cerebrum.

(I made this involvement with Spice)

May be I should trial the Smarts. I trust, they would not have this "claim - voice - overwhelms - my - head" Feeling. like the YES

German So I better attempt to analyze Oticon Agil versus Phonak Smart.

My own voice resembles thunder in my YES in any case.

EnglishDispenser I genuinely don't comprehend why they have kept the YES style as the Smart is prevalent.

The marginally bigger YES configuration might be less demanding for a few people to deal with.

Likewise, it can't move over behind (a few) ears not at all like the SMART/MINI arrangement.

However this is a scholarly point here in the UK ... Phonak have quit providing the YES organize.

hearnow Originally Posted by German

What are the contrasts between Phonak Audeo S Smart IX and YES IX ?

The YES has 2 amplifiers on each side, the Smart has the manual control.

Whatever other preferred standpoint of the Spice Smart ?

They have the very same innovation, the main contrast is the packaging that permits a catch control on the Smart. I sincerely don't comprehend why they have kept the YES style as the Smart is predominant.

German What are the contrasts between Phonak Audeo S Smart IX and YES IX ?

The YES has 2 mouthpieces on each side, the Smart has the manual control.

Whatever other favorable position of the Spice Smart ?

hearnow You must be so energized! Only a disgrace regardless you need to hold up so long. I have fitted a few sets so reasonable with phenomenal starting reaction. I even had one customer who had quite recently originated from an Oticon Agil Pro Mini trial for a trial of the Smart S III's and observed the sound quality to be vastly improved on the Smarts even in a loud bistro! Ideally this is the same for everyone who utilizes them. I did at first stuff up the settings, yet am presently a great deal more alright with the product and am beginning to comprehend what does what and how the intrument will react. So regardless of the possibility that you audi does not hit the nail on the head first time, attempt again as it can be precarious when you are new to the product and tech. As your audi to figure the fitting starting with no outside help subsequent to ensuring she sets the acoustic parameters effectively. This appears to create a greatly improved result than exchanging settings from a past era help. Likewise ensure she confirms the fit with genuine ear estimations.

Appreciate!

SuJaDon Originally Posted by adrien24

I think in the event that you wind up being qualified for the Audeo S YES; why not go for the Audeo S SMART? My audiologist was stating that she was just going to concentrate on the Audeo S SMART, not the MINI or the YES; the MINI is littler yes, however they are all little; the YES has less elements than the SMART. It bodes well to attempt the SMART instead of the YES since it has manual controls. I have the first Audeo YES IX in light of the fact that alternate choices were not accessible when I purchased the YES.

I had my arrangement toward the beginning of today with my Audie and I am currently going to trial the Audeo Smart 1X with the Superpower X Receiver. My arrangement for my first fitting is in 2 weeks time. I trust that I haven't set my desires too high and that I am disillusioned.

German I am trying the new Audeo S YES IX. The new Smart were not accessible in October.

Many elements with the remote yet no manual controls. I get used to that.

I have worn the Agil professional the most recent days (my other test) and today again the YES. Following a few days with the Oticon, the Phonak YES had an extremely nasal tone. Particularly with the possess voice. Exceptionally aggravating.

Delicate and boisterous hearing however terrible to talk ( possess voice appears to be extremely nasal as well)

Possibly I should test the Smart HA.

adrien24 Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

The decreased arches really have now supplanted the old tulip vaults ... so yes they work.

Additionally, I quite often removed the games bolt ... yet, ensure no sharp plastic edges remain!

(Don't just slide off the games bolt - leave its base ring set up!)

Much appreciated! I really do have the torpedo arches and I adore them!

Are you alluding to another kind of earmold with the games bolt since I didn't know that the power arches were accessible with any games bolt. I wouldn't get it however in light of the fact that these slide in my ear the distance and they do move a modest piece, yet very little.

adrien24 Originally Posted by SuJaDon

I have an arrangement on Tuesday to talk about what portable hearing assistants in the Spice go I am going to trial. I need to trial the Audeo S Yes with the super power recipients yet I think from the phone discussion that I had with my Audie these are not sufficiently solid for my listening ability misfortune and she needs me to attempt the Ambras. I simply trust my desires of these portable hearing assistants is not set to high.

I think on the off chance that you wind up being qualified for the Audeo S YES; why not go for the Audeo S SMART? My audiologist was stating that she was just going to concentrate on the Audeo S SMART, not the MINI or the YES; the MINI is littler yes, however they are all little; the YES has less components than the SMART. It bodes well to attempt the SMART instead of the YES since it has manual controls. I have the first Audeo YES IX on the grounds that alternate choices were not accessible when I purchased the YES.

Stratuscom On apprehension will you have the capacity to modify the AutoZoom settings in Target if doesn't have a program opening?

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

The one thing that merits examining is whether you truly need AutoZoom customized into one of your 5 openings. The reason I say this is holding down the middle catch on the remote appears to enact the AutoZoom program (its an alternate way). In the event that the remote can actuate AutoZoom without having AutoZoom as one of your projects, this should free up an additional opening that could be utilized for DuoPhone...

I think the main motivation to have AutoZoom in a program space is so you can enact it with the program catch on the amplifiers.

I need to utilize an acoustic telephone at work. I can't get Easyphone to initiate DuoPhone. The acoustic telephone program gets to DuoPhone, however of course it over opens up the lows and the mids making it unusable in anything other than total calm.

German That's valid. I test the Agil experts since the 9. September and the Phonak YES since end october.

The Phonak YES were great before all else and my sound needed to improve them. However, she is new to the objective programming. At last, the Phonak zoomed more awful than some time recently. At that point I needed the first fitting once more.

Once in a while, when I ran with my puppy, I could hear some clamor from a separation similarly as it would be next to me. In any case, I couldn't tell, from which side it came.

Possibly it is ideal to get used to the new Phonak without the zoom and include it later.

cnicklo Hi German,

As I comprehend it (and I might not be right here), you can kill autozoom (i.e. move out of the program) and the listening devices won't stream the sound into both ears. This may make it simpler for you to find the wellspring of sounds.

I believe that "zooming" sound into both ears is a capacity empowered just through AutoZoom or StereoZoom.

Possibly something to attempt? You can simply walk out on when you may require it.

Chris

Initially Posted by German

@davidbarry

I just know the new Spice - YES IX, same chip like the smarts. I don't have the foggiest idea about the previous Core stage.

Be that as it may, discourse in commotion is a great deal progressively an issue for me with the Phonak than with the oricons agil expert. The Oticons are great in commotion. The Phonak (new Spice-) YES are playing a show in an eatery.

Zooming may offer assistance. I didn't zoom. May be it would be troublesome, in light of the fact that I don't have one speaker one way.

The loss of the heading ist a more concerning issue with the Phonak. Just before 5 minutes my child opened the way to my room and I checked out where the clamor originated from (wearing the new Phonaks).

Without the zooming it may be troublesome in clamor. Indeed, even with the new Spice era. In any case, in quiet circumstances they are extraordinary.

It was extremely useful to start with to make a learning programm (I figured out how to hear once more) with discourse in expanding commotion.

My Audio says: You don't just hear with your ears, you hear with your cerebrum.

What's more, my cerebrum is some of the time mistaken for the transmitting in both ears (Phonak) , in light of the fact that it is not characteristic.

German @davidbarry

I just know the new Spice - YES IX, same chip like the smarts. I don't have the foggiest idea about the previous Core stage.

In any case, discourse in commotion is a great deal increasingly an issue for me with the Phonak than with the oricons agil master. The Oticons are great in clamor. The Phonak (new Spice-) YES are playing a show in an eatery.

Zooming may offer assistance. I didn't zoom. May be it would be troublesome, on the grounds that I don't have one speaker one way.

The loss of the bearing ist a more serious issue with the Phonak. Just before 5 minutes my child opened the way to my room and I checked out where the clamor originated from (wearing the new Phonaks).

Without the zooming it may be troublesome in commotion. Indeed, even with the new Spice era. In any case, in quiet circumstances they are incredible.

It was exceptionally useful before all else to make a learning programm (I figured out how to hear once more) with discourse in expanding clamor.

My Audio says: You don't just hear with your ears, you hear with your mind.

What's more, my cerebrum is once in a while mistaken for the transmitting in both ears (Phonak) , in light of the fact that it is not normal.

davidbarry Hi Jordan,

Much obliged such a great amount for this itemized report. It's both extremely energizing and exceptionally disappointing for those of us who purchased the before Smart IX forms that have such a large number of restrictions.

Clearly it would be incredible if Phonak did ideal by the a large portion of us that purchased the before forms and furnish us with no less than a markdown on the new ones with Spice. I purchased mine in January so it's not been a year.

Does anybody have any knowledge into a potential markdown from Phonak for overhauling? Maybe I'll send a note to the CEO or lead PR individual and give them the connection to all the negative remarks of the early Smart IXs on this gathering.

Indeed, even now after all the numerous, numerous, numerous alterations and changes with my Smart IXs I have similar issues I've generally had.

Best,

David

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Jordank,

What setup would you say you are utilizing for talking I've an acoustic telephone?

I utilize the phone in three diverse ways. Both my PDA and my home telephone have bluetooth usefulness so I for the most part utilize the iCom with these two telephones. At the point when get discovered using a telephone without the iCom, I have discovered that you can position the phone speaker close to the listening device's amplifiers and it will work alright if there is not all that much encompassing commotion. The Smarts have a "DuoPhone" program that streams the sound from ear that is utilizing the telephone to the next amplifier. I attempted it a bit with the old Smarts and it worked affirm. I'm not utilizing it this time around in light of the fact that the Smart IXs just have 5 program openings and I don't have an additional space accessible once I requested that the audiologist program in StereoZoom and AutoZoom into the fourth and fifth spot.

The one thing that merits examining is whether you truly need AutoZoom customized into one of your 5 spaces. The reason I say this is holding down the inside catch on the remote appears to enact the AutoZoom program (its an alternate way). In the event that the remote can initiate AutoZoom without having AutoZoom as one of your projects, this should free up an additional opening that could be utilized for DuoPhone.

Jordan.

JordanK Originally Posted by cnicklo

One inquiry for you - will you be requesting that your Audi knock the volume on your StereoZoom program a single tick since you're always utilizing the remote to alter it that way?

I may have the audiologist knock the volume a bit on this program. My next arrangement is not for a little while. This will give me enough time to comprehend on the off chance that I am continually knocking up the volume on this program setting or in the event that I am simply doing it the odd time.

Jordan.

Stratuscom Jordank,

What setup would you say you are utilizing for talking I've an acoustic telephone?

cnicklo Thanks, JordanK, for your definite synopsis. I have been truly intrigued to hear your examination of the two distinct HAs as I'm preparing to begin my own particular trials. I'm additionally happy that you had the opportunity to test the past Phonak Smart IXs to have the capacity to address the enhancements of the new Spice stage.

I had initially chosen to seek after the Alera 9's while sitting tight for the Widex Clear 440s. Phonak wasn't on my radar as I had perused some not all that extremely sparkling audits of the Audeo Smart IX's (center chip). The Spice chip update truly is by all accounts amusement evolving.

I've been persuaded that the Widex would have been the correct decision for me, particularly since I'm originating from Widex. Presently, I'm not entirely certain. While they have the binaural remote correspondence, they don't stream sound from ear to ear. This innovation appears to be exceptional to the Spice and something that you (and the others giving an account of the gathering) are stating has an immense effect, particularly in testing situations.

As I've already stated, however, I HATE Phonak's way to deal with spilling. You need to have the iCom wrapped around your neck AND you additionally need to convey the remote to actuate volume and additionally programs. I don't care for wearing a neckband, nor would I like to dependably be bearing an entire unit of parts to empower usefulness. Widex will be packaging the streamer and remote together in their MDex control which doesn't have to worn however can be conveyed in the pocket and afterward conveyed out to catch your voice amid telephone calls. I truly wish Phonak would make a comparable framework.

In this way, while I'm sitting tight for Widex to pick up endorsement to discharge the Clear 440s here in the U.S., will begin trialing the Phonaks toward the beginning of December. I've truly valued all the exertion individuals here are putting into detailing their encounters, so I guarantee to do likewise. Maybe I'll have the capacity to do the main examination of the Phonaks versus the Widex. . .

One inquiry for you - will you be requesting that your Audi knock the volume on your StereoZoom program a single tick since you're always utilizing the remote to alter it that way?

Much appreciated once more,

Chris

Initially Posted by JordanK

So I'm back home subsequent to burning through 3 days on business in Las Vegas. I had an opportunity to test both the Phonak Audeo S Smart IXs and the Resound Alera 9s in a portion of the most pessimistic scenario sound circumstances. Namely...on the plane, club, boisterous eateries, expansive meeting rooms with terrible intensification frameworks, substantial meal corridors with 3,000 - 4,000 individuals eating immediately, uproarious bars, individuals whispering to me amid meetings...and a cluster of different circumstances that cause the majority of us huge amounts of misery.

So....here is the decision

The new Spice renditions of the Smart IXs are unquestionably the prevalent decision. In fact...I would need to state that they speak to a stage forward contrasted with regular listening devices. I additionally should state that I am extremely astounded by my decision. I adored the Aleras and their actual remote abilities. I had my questions about testing the new Smarts and I just tried them as an afterthought...after as of now settling on my choice to keep the Aleras. Here is the reason will run with the Spice Smart IXs:

1) The one thing I gained the most from my tests in Las Vegas is that we as a whole live in a world with extremely mind boggling and changing listening conditions. No place on the planet has a greater amount of this than Las Vegas. Consider it for a moment. Home, work, outside, brandish stadium, eatery, motion picture, clubhouse, eatery, kids sports rehearse, shows, conference, cafeteria, theatre....the list continues endlessly. Each of these conditions presents diverse difficulties to portable amplifiers. So...what you require is bunches of choices and listening devices that adjust to these evolving circumstances. This is the reason the Smarts are the better decision. The Smarts (Spice group of portable amplifiers) give you heaps of options...and the alternatives truly have any kind of effect in testing conditions. Try not to get me wrong...they are not perfect...but the Spice models today give you the best arrangement of instruments in your pack sack to manage testing listening circumstances. 5 programs, exceedingly directional mikes that can be pointed toward a path with the remote, solid commotion decrease, remote cross transmission of sound between portable amplifiers to enhance voice acknowledgment in clamor, programmed zoom, bluetooth, and so on. These elements are all apparatuses that are accessible at the press of a catch. The Aleras are decent, however when you take the remote telephone/TV includes out of the blend, you don't have this sort of adaptability and you can't generally depend on the programmed mode in truly difficult situations.

2) Wireless cross transmission of sound between the portable hearing assistants is a distinct advantage. For the individuals who don't recognize what this is, the Spice portable hearing assistants can take the sound from the correct amplifiers and communicate it remotely to one side listening device collector and visa versa. When you flip the portable amplifiers into StereoZoom and AutoZoom, the mouthpieces on both listening devices cross communicate sound to the inverse amplifier to enhance acknowledgment. This is an immense distinct advantage in boisterous circumstances particularly since you likewise can set the directionality of the mouthpieces in the meantime. There are such a large number of advantages to this new ability. Set the receivers forward when you are in a group of people tuning in to a show or a live speaker, and so on. I did this such a large number of times in Las Vegas and I discovered my listening ability was fundamentally made strides. Here is another circumstance: Your companion at that point hangs over and whispers in your correct ear amid the occasion. The whisper is gotten by the correct mouthpiece and transmitted at the same time to both the privilege and left collector (since you are in StereoZoom) and you can really hear what he is stating. Same thing is valid in an eatery. When you are in AutoZoom you hear what the general population on both sides of you are stating in both ears. This is an immense advantage. It comes with a drawback in that you lose the directionality of the sound. But...I would preferably hear what somebody is stating than hear where it is originating from in these sorts of circumstances. To entirety it up...this remote cross transmission include improves the Spice amplifiers. It doesn't generally work in every single sound circumstance however as I said earlier...you now have another capable apparatus in your unit pack to manage boisterous situations.

3) The StereoZoom and AutoZoom and ZoomControl are all justified regardless of the additional cash. They work and I wound up utilizing these elements a considerable amount amid my stay in Las Vegas. Specifically, StereoZoom is a gigantic gift. I found that I could flip it on amid discussions in extremely boisterous circumstances and the main additional thing I needed to do is to build the volume marginally (a single tick) utilizing the remote to get magnificent outcomes. We had many systems administration occasions in the course of the most recent couple of days and these occasions were ordinarily held in bars and in expansive meeting rooms with several individuals processing around. StereoZoom with somewhat of a volume change worked ponders. Infrequently did I wind up requesting that individuals rehash themselves. These elements work and the Smart IXs did not experience the ill effects of any of the other voice twisting in commotion issues that I involvement with the old forms of these listening devices. Whatever Phonak has done to enhance these listening devices they have absolutely tended to the voice in clamor issues.

4) The last thing that pushed me over the edge was that I removed the Smart IXs on the third day and wore the Alera 9s to my morning meeting. The meeting was held in a substantial gathering room in the Venetian and I was in the third line of seats up at the front. The speaker was a lady (my administrator) and she was wearing a receiver associated with two Bose speakers on either side of the room. As she spoke, I was sufficiently close to hear both her common voice and the sound from the speakers. The sound from the speakers was likewise bobbing off the back mass of the gathering room and there was a touch of a reverberate. I couldn't comprehend her by any means. I took a stab at flipping through my four projects in the Aleras to check whether there was a change and nothing appeared to offer assistance. She was just around 15 feet far from me yet the blend of her delicate voice, the speaker framework, reverberations, and so forth, were excessively for the Aleras. I continued longing that I had StereoZoom and additionally ZoomControl to center the portable hearing assistants forward. When we had a respite, I rushed back to my room, put the Smart IXs back on and exchanged remotes. Once the meeting began once more, my listening ability was greatly improved. Regardless it wasn't flawless, however StereoZoom and the Smart IXs were essentially superior to the Aleras. Once again...challenging circumstances like this are best managed by having lost of instruments to work with. Despite everything you need to fiddle around to make sense of which settings work best...but the Smart IXs have much greater adaptability to manage testing circumstances.

So that is my report from Las Vegas. Will continue exploring different avenues regarding the Smart IXs and I will continue posting my impressions as I make sense of things. The Smart IXs definately get approval. These Spice forms are a colossal jump forward. To be honest...I'm very astounded I am really conceding this

Jordan.

JordanK So I'm back home in the wake of burning through 3 days on business in Las Vegas. I had an opportunity to test both the Phonak Audeo S Smart IXs and the Resound Alera 9s in a portion of the most pessimistic scenario sound circumstances. Namely...on the plane, clubhouse, boisterous eateries, expansive meeting rooms with terrible intensification frameworks, extensive meal lobbies with 3,000 - 4,000 individuals eating on the double, uproarious bars, individuals whispering to me amid meetings...and a pack of different circumstances that cause the greater part of us huge amounts of sadness.

So....here is the decision

The new Spice renditions of the Smart IXs are certainly the predominant decision. In fact...I would need to state that they speak to a stage forward contrasted with traditional listening devices. I likewise should state that I am extremely astounded by my decision. I adored the Aleras and their actual remote abilities. I had my questions about testing the new Smarts and I just tried them as an afterthought...after as of now settling on my choice to keep the Aleras. Here is the reason will run with the Spice Smart IXs:

1) The one thing I gained the most from my tests in Las Vegas is that we as a whole live in a world with exceptionally perplexing and changing listening situations. No place on the planet has a greater amount of this than Las Vegas. Consider it for a moment. Home, work, outside, don stadium, eatery, motion picture, gambling club, eatery, kids sports rehearse, shows, conference, cafeteria, theatre....the list continues endlessly. Each of these conditions presents diverse difficulties to listening devices. So...what you require is bunches of alternatives and portable hearing assistants that adjust to these evolving circumstances. This is the reason the Smarts are the better decision. The Smarts (Spice group of portable hearing assistants) give you heaps of options...and the alternatives truly have any kind of effect in testing situations. Try not to get me wrong...they are not perfect...but the Spice models today give you the best arrangement of devices in your unit pack to manage testing listening circumstances. 5 programs, exceedingly directional mikes that can be pointed toward a path with the remote, solid clamor diminishment, remote cross transmission of sound between listening devices to enhance voice acknowledgment in commotion, programmed zoom, bluetooth, and so on. These components are all apparatuses that are accessible at the press of a catch. The Aleras are better than average, yet when you take the remote telephone/TV includes out of the blend, you don't have this sort of adaptability and you can't generally depend on the programmed mode in truly difficult situations.

2) Wireless cross transmission of sound between the portable amplifiers is a distinct advantage. For the individuals who don't realize what this is, the Spice portable amplifiers can take the sound from the correct mouthpieces and communicate it remotely to one side listening device beneficiary and visa versa. When you flip the amplifiers into StereoZoom and AutoZoom, the mouthpieces on both portable amplifiers cross communicate sound to the inverse listening device to enhance acknowledgment. This is a colossal distinct advantage in loud circumstances particularly since you likewise can set the directionality of the receivers in the meantime. There are such a variety of advantages to this new ability. Set the mouthpieces forward when you are in a group of people tuning in to a show or a live speaker, and so forth. I did this such a variety of times in Las Vegas and I discovered my listening ability was fundamentally made strides. Here is another circumstance: Your companion at that point hangs over and whispers in your correct ear amid the occasion. The whisper is gotten by the correct amplifier and transmitted at the same time to both the privilege and left beneficiary (since you are in StereoZoom) and you can really hear what he is stating. Same thing is valid in an eatery. When you are in AutoZoom you hear what the general population on both sides of you are stating in both ears. This is an enormous advantage. It comes with a drawback in that you lose the directionality of the sound. But...I would preferably hear what somebody is stating than hear where it is originating from in these sorts of circumstances. To total it up...this remote cross transmission include improves the Spice portable amplifiers. It doesn't generally work in every stable circumstance however as I said earlier...you now have another intense instrument in your unit pack to manage loud situations.

3) The StereoZoom and AutoZoom and ZoomControl are all justified regardless of the additional cash. They work and I wound up utilizing these elements a considerable amount amid my stay in Las Vegas. Specifically, StereoZoom is an immense gift. I found that I could flip it on amid discussions in exceptionally boisterous circumstances and the main additional thing I needed to do is to expand the volume marginally (a single tick) utilizing the remote to get incredible outcomes. We had many systems administration occasions in the course of the most recent couple of days and these occasions were ordinarily held in bars and in extensive meeting rooms with several individuals processing around. StereoZoom with somewhat of a volume change worked ponders. Once in a while did I wind up requesting that individuals rehash themselves. These components work and the Smart IXs did not experience the ill effects of any of the other voice mutilation in clamor issues that I involvement with the old renditions of these listening devices. Whatever Phonak has done to enhance these portable amplifiers they have unquestionably tended to the voice in clamor issues.

4) The last thing that pushed me over the edge was that I removed the Smart IXs on the third day and wore the Alera 9s to my morning meeting. The meeting was held in a substantial gathering room in the Venetian and I was in the third line of seats up at the front. The speaker was a lady (my director) and she was wearing an amplifier associated with two Bose speakers on either side of the room. As she spoke, I was sufficiently close to hear both her regular voice and the sound from the speakers. The sound from the speakers was additionally bobbing off the back mass of the gathering room and there was a touch of a resound. I couldn't comprehend her by any means. I took a stab at flipping through my four projects in the Aleras to check whether there was a change and nothing appeared to offer assistance. She was just around 15 feet far from me yet the blend of her delicate voice, the speaker framework, reverberations, and so on, were excessively for the Aleras. I continued longing that I had StereoZoom as well as ZoomControl to center the portable hearing assistants forward. When we had a respite, I rushed back to my room, put the Smart IXs back on and exchanged remotes. Once the meeting began once more, my listening ability was vastly improved. Regardless it wasn't impeccable, however StereoZoom and the Smart IXs were altogether superior to the Aleras. Once again...challenging circumstances like this are best managed by having lost of instruments to work with. Despite everything you need to fiddle around to make sense of which settings work best...but the Smart IXs have much greater adaptability to manage testing circumstances.

So that is my report from Las Vegas. Will continue exploring different avenues regarding the Smart IXs and I will continue posting my impressions as I make sense of things. The Smart IXs definately get approval. These Spice adaptations are an enormous jump forward. To be honest...I'm very shocked I am really conceding this

Jordan.

alpine1 I cherish the new decreased arches. I use to wear a tulip arch in my left ear and a changed power vault for my correct side. Both ears now get the more current decreased vaults. They are exceptionally agreeable and the new plan at the point where wax could enter the recipient is vastly improved. I have not in over a month needed to change wax watches.

Initially Posted by EnglishDispenser

The decreased vaults really have now supplanted the old tulip arches ... so yes they work.

Likewise, I quite often removed the games bolt ... in any case, ensure no sharp plastic edges remain!

(Don't just slide off the games bolt - leave its base ring set up!)

ED, you suggest that clients expel the beneficiary by pulling on the wire instead of the game bolt?

Does the games bolt base play out another capacity that makes you propose abandoning it joined the recipient?

SuJaDon I have an arrangement on Tuesday to talk about what portable amplifiers in the Spice extend I am going to trial. I need to trial the Audeo S Yes with the super power beneficiaries however I think from the phone discussion that I had with my Audie these are not sufficiently solid for my listening ability misfortune and she needs me to attempt the Ambras. I simply trust my desires of these amplifiers is not set to high.

adrien24 Is there an approach to get the decreased vaults on the web? When I got new beneficiaries with the powerdomes (control collectors), the tulip tip was utilized. They look tulip to me.

Anyway, where would i be able to get the new decreased arches for control xreceivers?

Much obliged!

EnglishDispenser The decreased vaults really have now supplanted the old tulip arches ... so yes they work.

Additionally, I quite often removed the games bolt ... be that as it may, ensure no sharp plastic edges remain!

(Don't just slide off the games bolt - leave its base ring set up!)

adrien24 Originally Posted by JordanK

Hello everybody,

I haven't posted a report on my Audeo S Smart IXs in a week and I thought I would give some extra remarks.

I had my second fitting on Monday and there truly wasn't an excessive number of changes required. I requested that the audiologist expel the sound recuperate highlight from my music program as I get a kick out of the chance to keep the sound as perfect as conceivable when tuning in to music or playing the guitar. The other thing that I had him do is expel the ear bolts that were joined to the collector. They were delving into my ears and making them sore and you don't generally require them with the new torpedo molded arches.

Does anybody know whether the torpedo vaults can be utilized on the first Audeo YES listening devices? I just changed to the moment fit with the tulip vaults and I'm extremely content with them. In any case, the torpedo arches sound so superb, I know I should attempt them on the off chance that I can.

I utilize PowerDomes.

It would be ideal if you let me know!

Much appreciated!

German I am trying the Oticon Agil ace and the new Audeo S YES (Spice stage)

I have the YES, since they have 2 mouthpieces on each side. I change the test-helps each day to look at.

One issue I had with the Audeos was the fast moving of the zoom. While driving an auto I had for all time other sound inside seconds.

The sound appears to experience my head from the left side to one side, once noisy wind clamor, of course no commotion by any stretch of the imagination.

The other issue:

At the point when both portable amplifiers hear by crosstransmitting, at that point I experienced issues to know where some commotion is originating from. I heared it obviously, yet needed to glance around, where it originated from.

May be it is just in the programmed modus.

My Agils are better in a boisterous eatery. Much better. My Audeos are the ace of discourse in quiet. Considerably louder than the Agils.

At the time, I would incline toward the Audeos. In the event that they just would not alter for all time the hearing course.

CryMeARiver If I could encounter half of the achievement that the above notices have expressed, I would be in tears. I trust individuals with a wide range of hearing misfortune can profit. A debt of gratitude is in order for posting these bits of knowledge, gives me reason for trust!

Stratuscom My involvement with the Ambras are close JordanK. I travel to London one week from now (in the cockpit) and will report back in the wake of Thanksgiving.

There is one negative that I plan to determine. While driving with the HAs in the auto program, tuning in to the radio, the street clamor is blocked and the radio is clear; at that point out of the blue the HAs will focus in on part of the street commotion and shut out the radio. I don't know what is going on, but rather I think UltraZoom erroneously recognizes the radio as undesirable commotion. I'll continue playing with this one. Discussion with a traveler however works impeccably.

Um bongo Originally Posted by JordanK

Hello everybody,

I haven't posted a report on my Audeo S Smart IXs in a week and I thought I would give some extra remarks.

I had my second fitting on Monday and there truly wasn't excessively numerous progressions required. I requested that the audiologist expel the sound recuperate include from my music program as I jump at the chance to keep the sound as spotless as conceivable when tuning in to music or playing the guitar. The other thing that I had him do is expel the ear bolts that were appended to the beneficiary. They were diving into my ears and making them sore and you don't generally require them with the new torpedo molded vaults. Other than that...we didn't generally modify anything. Its very amazing how well the portable amplifiers were balanced after only two fittings.

Wednesday morning I bounced on a plane for a couple of days of conferences in Las Vegas and I got the chance to experiment with the new Smart IXs under some truly uproarious and testing conditions.

To start with test - The Airplane: I was very shocked how well these portable amplifiers did amid the flight. Flying is one of those clamor conditions that are ordinarily intense for portable amplifiers. I flipped the listening devices into Autozoom and they did incredible. I had no issues hearing the individual close to me, the attendants, or even the declarations that the pilot makes amid the flight.

Second test - The lodging and gambling club: Once again these listening devices did great. They appear to adjust to changed sorts of commotion situations and I felt that they showed improvement over the past adaptations. I had no issues having talks in the anteroom, in the clubhouse and in the general meeting regions of the inn. Delicate female voices are as yet an issue and I had issues hearing the asian lady behind the checkin counter...but I think this is very typical given her pronunciation and programming voice. Flipping the portable amplifiers into StereoZoom truly assists under these conditions and the you generally have the choice of turning up the listening devices in SteroZoom mode by utilizing the remote.

Third test - Noisy eatery: We ate at an extremely loud Italian eatery in the Venetian tonight and this was defiantely the most dire outcome imaginable. The eatery was swarmed, the floors were tile, there were a wide range of discussions going ahead at a similar table, and so forth. At the end of the day the portable amplifiers showed improvement over anticipated. There were still circumstances that I had a touch of inconvenience hearing however I found that keeping the listening devices in StereoZoom with a somewhat higher volume (utilizing the remote) truly made a difference. There was surely none of the voice twisting that I saw with the past adaptation of the Smart IXs. Stereozoom appears to truly assist in these conditions in light of the fact that the component advises the portable amplifiers to cross transmits the sound from each listening device to the next hearing aid...wirelessly. This implies both ears are continually hearing everything. It appears to work great and give more noteworthy clearness in commotion.

Tomorrow I'm going to wearing the Alera 9s again to perceive how they do in the uproarious Las Vegas condition. I will state that the Audeo S Smart IXs have absolutely surpassed my desires and are an immense enhanced over the past model. No one ought to rush to call the Spice renditions minor updates since they are definitely not.

Jordan

No significant protests up until this point and

Which is the substance of what I and ED seen at the dispatch. It wasn't some sort of technobabble free for all, the instrument has truly advanced the worldview.

JordanK Hey everybody,

I haven't posted a report on my Audeo S Smart IXs in a week and I thought I would give some extra remarks.

I had my second fitting on Monday and there truly wasn't an excessive number of changes required. I requested that the audiologist expel the sound recuperate include from my music program as I jump at the chance to keep the sound as perfect as conceivable when tuning in to music or playing the guitar. The other thing that I had him do is evacuate the ear bolts that were connected to the beneficiary. They were diving into my ears and making them sore and you don't generally require them with the new torpedo formed arches. Other than that...we didn't generally modify anything. Its very astonishing how well the portable amplifiers were balanced after only two fittings.

Wednesday morning I hopped on a plane for a couple of days of conferences in Las Vegas and I got the chance to experiment with the new Smart IXs under some truly loud and testing situations.

To start with test - The Airplane: I was very astonished how well these amplifiers did amid the flight. Flying is one of those commotion situations that are regularly intense for amplifiers. I flipped the portable amplifiers into Autozoom and they did awesome. I had no issues hearing the individual alongside me, the attendants, or even the declarations that the pilot makes amid the flight.

Second test - The lodging and clubhouse: Once again these listening devices did great. They appear to adjust to changed sorts of commotion situations and I felt that they showed improvement over the past variants. I had no issues having dialogs in the entryway, in the club and in the general meeting zones of the lodging. Delicate female voices are as yet an issue and I had issues hearing the asian lady behind the checkin counter...but I think this is very ordinary given her intonation and delicate voice. Flipping the portable amplifiers into StereoZoom truly assists under these conditions and the you generally have the alternative of turning up the listening devices in SteroZoom mode by utilizing the remote.

Third test - Noisy eatery: We ate at an exceptionally uproarious Italian eatery in the Venetian tonight and this was defiantely the most dire outcome imaginable. The eatery was swarmed, the floors were tile, there were various discussions going ahead at a similar table, and so forth. At the end of the day the listening devices showed improvement over anticipated. There were still circumstances that I had a touch of inconvenience hearing yet I found that keeping the portable amplifiers in StereoZoom with a somewhat higher volume (utilizing the remote) truly made a difference. There was positively none of the voice mutilation that I saw with the past rendition of the Smart IXs. Stereozoom appears to truly assist in these conditions on the grounds that the element advises the portable hearing assistants to cross transmits the sound from each amplifier to the next hearing aid...wirelessly. This implies both ears are continually hearing everything. It appears to work great and give more prominent clearness in clamor.

Tomorrow I'm going to wearing the Alera 9s again to perceive how they do in the loud Las Vegas condition. I will state that the Audeo S Smart IXs have absolutely surpassed my desires and are a colossal change over the past model. No one ought to rush to call the Spice variants minor updates since they are definitely not.

Jordan

Stratuscom Had my second fitting today of the Ambra MicroPs. This time we got the Noiseblock set to direct. Phonak sends them from the processing plant with Noiseblock set to frail. The clamor channel functions admirably.

I went to a meeting at a loud eatery (the genuine trial of portable amplifiers). I was feeling the loss of a portion of the discussion while the HAs were in Speech-in-Noise. There was some change with AutoZoom, yet when I changed to StereoZoom the speaker's voice came appropriate out of the commotion. I could hear the greater part of the discourse in conditions that would have been inconceivable with my old HAs. In StereoZoom you need to turn and face whoever is talking which may not generally be conceivable. It isn't impeccable, however it is a major change.

Kadougan As far as utilization of target I discover it streams reasonably instinctively from left to right. I am winding up experiencing a large portion of the alternatives each one in turn to ensure I haven't missed anything. Getting to the program director and the individual controls for the projects at first gave me some inconvenience however I think I have it sorted (need to right tap on program in program chief to get to program alternatives.

Kadougan The mic covers do seem distinctive on the Spice items. Phonak is prescribed that old(?) Audeo Smarts get retro-fitted with the new mic covers due to past issues with affectability to rubbing on hair/head & stopping too effortlessly. I have fit a couple of Audeo S Smarts and been very inspired with the outcomes. Likewise with anything new there is most definately an expectation to absorb information with the product. I truly like the RECD estimation that happens while the input lessening is being adjusted, I have discovered this outcomes in fundamentally less tweaking to accomplish legitimate fitting for the customer's I have seen up until this point. I am anticipating having a customer intrigued by the Ambra item so I can fit it and exploit stereozoom yet don't have a great deal of customers in my general vicinity who buy top of the line. I know it is a touch of torment to have this program got to physically just, in any case it is not feasible to anticipate that a listening device will choose for you when this sort of program is required. I think we would get numerous protestations and wind up disabling stereozoom by and large on the off chance that it WAS a programmed work.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by hearnow

Target was precarious to get used to at first, however once you comprehend where everything is it is more capable and adaptable than iPFG.

Is there any writing past what is found on Phonak's site that would enable somebody to comprehend what and where everything is?

Stratuscom Originally Posted by SuJaDon

You are making me desirous. Regardless i'm waiting on my Audie to hit me up. She hasn't heard anything from Phonak yet :- (

I am shocked your audie hasn't gotten notification from Phonak. They are occupied now as you can envision, however they have been exceptionally receptive to both me and my audiologist.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

I fitted my initial two sets of Audeo Smart S today. One was a V and the other an IX. Both clients have relocated from the past eras Smarts and observed the Spice to be unrivaled in sound quality and general impression. The commotion of runnign your finger over the receiver security was additionally answered to be a great deal less.

Each fitting took around 45 minutes a Target was dubious to get used to at first, however once you comprehend where everything is it is more intense and adaptable than iPFG. I am fitting a few more combines, some to new customers in the following couple of weeks and am anticipating the survey with the customers to perceive how they saw the guides, "in actuality".

You are making me desirous. Regardless i'm waiting on my Audie to hit me up. She hasn't heard anything from Phonak yet :- (

hearnow I fitted my initial two sets of Audeo Smart S today. One was a V and the other an IX. Both clients have relocated from the past eras Smarts and observed the Spice to be prevalent in sound quality and general impression. The commotion of runnign your finger over the amplifier assurance was additionally answered to be a great deal less.

Each fitting took around 45 minutes a Target was dubious to get used to at first, however once you comprehend where everything is it is more effective and adaptable than iPFG. I am fitting a few more combines, some to new customers in the following couple of weeks and am anticipating the survey with the customers to perceive how they saw the guides, "all things considered".

SuJaDon Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Had my fitting yesterday with the Ambra MicroPs. They were coupled to an exemplary form with the substantial tubes. My earlier guides were an early form of the Micropowers coupled to a collector in-the-trench. The distinction was noteworthy, however since my past guides were two eras old with a lower fueled coupling and no "Soundrecover," it is difficult to know the amount of the change was expected exclusively to the Spice processors.

The fitting took two and one-half hours. My audiologist was not comfortable with the new Target programming and went through a hour with the Phonak tech via telephone getting directions. The Phonak tech was extremely knowledgable and it was an awesome learning background for the two of us. Target gives off an impression of being far better than iPFG once you comprehend the UI.

We discovered from the Tech Rep that the Ambras don't list Flex Volume as a component since Flex Control incorporates Flex Volume too. Not at all like the Audeos, all Ambras have Flex Control. Some Audeos just have Flex Volume. The volume switch on the lodging can be designed for either Volume, Flex Volume, or Flex Control. Flex Control being the most modern of the three.

The programmed mode works incredible. It is scarcely discernible when it is changing to an alternate mode. I am hearing more full and more various sounds than with my past guides. Voices, radio, and TV are essentially clearer, however discourse is as yet not great. Like JordanK, I could comprehend both discussion and the radio in the auto much better than with my old portable amplifiers.

StereoZoom, the new component that concentrations a restricted pillar straightforwardly before the wearer, could select a voice in the group 10 to 15 feet away. That was generally great. Be that as it may, to be comprehended, the speaker needs to come nearer as the volume of commotion increments. I have not been to an uproarious eatery which is likely the most troublesome hearing circumstance.

Discourse in quiet was brilliant (perhaps excessively splendid which may be settled with a modification). I could totally comprehend my manager who dependably talks delicately.

There was an issue with Speech-in-Noise and the StereoZoom not sifting sufficiently through of the foundation commotion. I am booked for modification tomorrow and will check whether the clamor in these modes can be diminished.

I additionally bought an iCom with the new guides. The iCom functioned admirably with my iPhone 4. Telephone discussion was sure about both finishes. Music was likewise evident. One issue again was excessively foundation commotion. At the point when on a cell phone, the mic volume should be quieted, however in clamor it was difficult to comprehend the other party. This was likewise valid for sound projects played from the iPhone. Ideally, this can be settled with a change too.

In the event that you are wanting to attempt the new Spice helps, I suggest that you get comfortable with the greater part of the guide's elements and also the Target programming before your fitting. The vast majority of the data you have to know is on Phonak's site. A lot of it can likewise be found on this gathering.

A debt of gratitude is in order for that data. I am acutely following this string. It would be ideal if you keep us educated in a couple of days with respect to how they are performing in various circumstances.

Stratuscom Had my fitting yesterday with the Ambra MicroPs. They were coupled to a great shape with the expansive tubes. My earlier guides were an early form of the Micropowers coupled to a collector in-the-channel. The distinction was amazing, however since my past guides were two eras old with a lower fueled coupling and no "Soundrecover," it is difficult to know the amount of the change was expected exclusively to the Spice processors.

The fitting took two and one-half hours. My audiologist was not comfortable with the new Target programming and went through a hour with the Phonak tech via telephone accepting directions. The Phonak tech was extremely knowledgable and it was an awesome learning background for the two of us. Target seems, by all accounts, to be far better than iPFG once you comprehend the UI.

We discovered from the Tech Rep that the Ambras don't list Flex Volume as a component since Flex Control incorporates Flex Volume too. Not at all like the Audeos, all Ambras have Flex Control. Some Audeos just have Flex Volume. The volume switch on the lodging can be designed for either Volume, Flex Volume, or Flex Control. Flex Control being the most refined of the three.

The programmed mode works awesome. It is scarcely noticeable when it is changing to an alternate mode. I am hearing more full and more various sounds than with my past guides. Voices, radio, and TV are essentially clearer, yet discourse is as yet not great. Like JordanK, I could comprehend both discussion and the radio in the auto much better than with my old portable amplifiers.

StereoZoom, the new component that concentrations a thin bar straightforwardly before the wearer, could choose a voice in the group 10 to 15 feet away. That was generally great. Be that as it may, to be comprehended, the speaker needs to come nearer as the volume of commotion increments. I have not been to a loud eatery which is likely the most troublesome hearing circumstance.

Discourse in quiet was splendid (possibly excessively brilliant which may be settled with a change). I could totally comprehend my manager who dependably talks delicately.

There was an issue with Speech-in-Noise and the StereoZoom not sifting sufficiently through of the foundation commotion. I am booked for alteration tomorrow and will check whether the clamor in these modes can be diminished.

I additionally obtained an iCom with the new guides. The iCom functioned admirably with my iPhone 4. Telephone discussion was sure about both closures. Music was additionally evident. One issue again was excessively foundation commotion. At the point when on a cell phone, the mic volume should be quieted, however in clamor it was difficult to comprehend the other party. This was additionally valid for sound projects played from the iPhone. Ideally, this can be settled with a modification too.

In the event that you are wanting to attempt the new Spice helps, I prescribe that you get comfortable with the greater part of the guide's elements and additionally the Target programming before your fitting. The greater part of the data you have to know is on Phonak's site. Quite a bit of it can likewise be found on this gathering.

onlyme Originally Posted by TRACEY JOHNSTON

Kindly do tell us how you get on one week from now with trial of new guides.

WIll do! I'll refresh this string with my underlying impressions not long from now.

Initially Posted by JordanK

I think you truly require the remote.

A debt of gratitude is in order for the data. I'll certainly need to give it a shot for myself.

Initially Posted by mech29

Does anybody have any data on the cost of the new Audeo s contrasted with the present Audeo models? Im simply getting new guides and the audi has no data on the zest models.Im attempting to choose on the off chance that I ought to wate for the flavor data or proceed with the standard Audio display.

On the off chance that the value distinction is unobtrusive I would wate.

In the UK, the zest extend are extensively an indistinguishable cost from the more seasoned audeo go they supplant. I'd envision it is probably going to be the same in the US, so it's most likely worth holding up (or attempting an alternate audi?).

mech29 Does anybody have any data on the cost of the new Audeo s contrasted with the present Audeo models? Im simply getting new guides and the audi has no data on the zest models.Im attempting to choose on the off chance that I ought to wate for the flavor data or proceed with the standard Audio display.

In the event that the value distinction is unobtrusive I would wate.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

...UltraZoom and Soundflow are quite recently incorporated with the programming and kick in naturally as required. Its difficult to state when they are working since they simply happen naturally. I trust that Flexcontrol and Soundflow cooperate yet its not something that you do other than to change the volume here and there when required and Flexcontrol naturally adjusts.

Make sense?...

Yes it does. That makes a difference. The video introductions on Phonak's site are instructive, however Phonak's client direct is disappointingly meager. Possibly Phonak trusts the audiologist will give the greater part of the important data, yet that is a doubtful desire.

I have my first fitting later today and I'm attempting to develope a technique for the choices. I like yours.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

JordanK,

How do the different applications, StereoZoom, AutoZoomControl, UltraZoom, SoundFlow, and FlexControl collaborate with each other? From Phonak's eLearning material, it gives the idea that UltraZoom is constantly accessible in auto, yet StereoZoom, and AutoZoomControl must be chosen physically. SoundFlow and FlexControl seem to cooperate and it creates the impression that both components are constantly accessible. Is that right? Additionally, what discretionary programming highlights did you pick?

Much obliged ahead of time for your answer.

Hello Stratuscom,

My comprehension of how these different elements function is as per the following: The listening devices have an auto mode in addition to 5 programs that you can have your audiologist redo for you. I have the accompanying projects setup: Calm Situation 1, Speech in Noise 1, Music 1, StereoZoom, ZoomControl. So...to answer your question...StereoZoom and ZoomControl take up 2 of the program openings. When you are in the ZoomControl program, it naturally defaults to "AutoZoomControl" mode. This implies it consequently tries to recognize where voices are originating from and it zooms into those sounds. When you are in Auto Mode, you additionally have the alternative of holding down the middle buttom on the remote and it will then place you in a ZoomControl mode that will enable you to utilize the directional bolts to choose which bearing to zoom into. SteroZoom is distinctive. It is intended to concentrate on voice specifically before you as it were. Observing live theater or having a discussion at an eatery with somebody opposite you may be great cases.

UltraZoom and Soundflow are quite recently incorporated with the programming and kick in naturally as required. Its difficult to state when they are working since they simply happen naturally. I trust that Flexcontrol and Soundflow cooperate however its not something that you do other than to modify the volume here and there when required and Flexcontrol naturally adjusts.

Bode well?

The one thing I can state is that the portable amplifiers are great and paying little mind to what is happening...they are doing some truly complex things to improve your capacity to hear well in fluctuating conditions.

I have my second fitting session today at twelve. There truly isn't excessively that I need balanced at this point...which is very astonishing. These amplifiers are working extremely well out of the case.

I will post a point by point refresh later today with some more considerations in view of my encounters throughout the end of the week.

Jordan.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

There are bunches of new components on these portable amplifiers. The most remarkable ones are SteroZoom and ZoomControl. Both of these elements appear as projects in one of your program openings and get naturally chosen in the auto mode. You can likewise utilize the remote or burn through the projects by squeezing the catch on the listening devices to get to these two new projects...

JordanK,

How do the different applications, StereoZoom, AutoZoomControl, UltraZoom, SoundFlow, and FlexControl communicate with each other? From Phonak's eLearning material, it creates the impression that UltraZoom is constantly accessible in auto, yet StereoZoom, and AutoZoomControl must be chosen physically. SoundFlow and FlexControl seem to cooperate and it gives the idea that both components are constantly accessible. Is that right? Likewise, what discretionary programming highlights did you pick?

Much obliged ahead of time for your answer.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

JordanK,

Did you combine the AT&T bluetooth home telephone with your Audeo S Smart IXs? Assuming this is the case, how could that be working out?

Sorry for the deferral in reacting. Occupied day today. The iCom works incredible with the AT&T home phone. The main thing I was battling with was the manner by which to alter the volume on the phone. When I made calls, the volume in my portable amplifiers appears to be noisy. For reasons unknown, the AT&T phone doesn't enable you to bring down the volume of the bluetooth station utilizing the volume control on the phone base station. Strange. Subsequent to considering it a while I understood that you can utilize the myPilot to bring down the volume of the amplifiers when the telephone is associated with the iCom. When you are chatting on the telephone utilizing the iCom, the myPilot demonstrates "Cell phone + Mic" and you have two volume control groups on both sides that can be balanced. This isn't an issue with PDAs in light of the fact that the volume control on the PDA alters the volume of bluetooth headsets without any issues. Must be only an oversight from Vtech (who makes the AT&T telephone).

Jordan.

TRACEY JOHNSTON Originally Posted by onlyme

Much obliged to you Jordan for your posts - I am certain I'm not by any means the only prowler following your advance with the new zest helps with foresight.

I'm expected to be fitted with an arrangement of Ambra ITE helps one week from now. I'm not exactly beyond any doubt what's in store, having already just worn *basic* portable amplifiers, however ideally i'll be similarly satisfied with the execution of the new Spice chipset.

I have one inquiry however, that I'd be appreciative for your idea on - would you prescribe getting the remote?

My audi said that 90% of remote controls wind up social occasion clean, so deterred me from purchasing/trialing one. I know it's initial days, however do you locate the remote basic?

Kindly do tell us how you get on one week from now with trial of new guides.

Stratuscom JordanK,

Did you combine the AT&T bluetooth home telephone with your Audeo S Smart IXs? Assuming this is the case, how could that be working out?

davidbarry Originally Posted by JordanK

I think you truly require the remote. The reason I say this is I generally like to utilize the catches on the listening devices to change programs. This implies the best way to change the volume is to utilize a remote. I don't have to do this constantly, yet the few times you need more volume...its extremely supportive. The other thing is that these new Smart IXs have an element called "FlexControl" which is a takeoff from how you the volume control commonly functions. With FlexControl, when you increment the volume on the remote, the amplifiers just increment the voice frequencies. This is a truly cool component in light of the fact that 90% of the time when you are fiddling with the volume, you are doings so since you can't hear discourse. My run of the mill circumstance is that I change to a program with substantial commotion lessening and I have to increase the volume a bit to raise the volume of the voices. FlexControl makes this more effective in light of the fact that I'm not boosting up the top of the line and low end clamor.

The second critical explanation behind getting the remote is that its a decent apparatus for tweaking the amplifiers amid your initial couple of months of fitting. It gives you the capacity to play with the projects under different sound situations and enables you to try different things with turning here and there the volume. The more you fiddle, the more data you will have the capacity to give your audiologist depicting how each program is getting along. This is imperative amid the initial 3-5 fittings.

The Third explanation behind the remote needs to do with the StereoZoom highlight on these portable amplifiers. You can utilize the remote to tell the portable amplifiers that you need to hear sound from a specific course (i.e. front, back, left right). Some great uses for this are viewing a motion picture (zoom front), bringing a driving excursion with a traveler (zoom right), or snoop on your young children (zoom behind). I don't utilize this much however some of the time it proves to be useful.

The last reason is that these listening devices have a learning capacity. After you get fitted, each time you touch the volume in the programmed mode, the amplifiers gain from your activities and modify consequently to adjust to your prerequisites. When you backpedal for your next fitting, the audiologist can perceive how the portable amplifiers adjusted and roll out improvements, and so forth.

Simply my 2 pennies. Perhaps another person will hop in with more reasons. I don't utilize it constantly yet its valuable now and again.

Jordan.

My audi just got the MyPilot for me to test with my "standard" Smart IXs. I am thinking that its helpful, particularly the capacity to change volume in various circumstances. While the Smart IXs do have on-board catches for modifying either volume or projects, I like having the capacity to change both with the MyPilot and I like having a visual show of my volume settings. At that point I can tell the amount I'm off from pattern.

One thing I'm seeing, however, is that the immediate zoom is not having a colossal effect. I trust it's accomplishing something, yet once in a while I'm thinking about whether it's really exchanging into an alternate mode. Having said that, last night I was in a noisy bar with my better half and we were at a table in the back and I was sitting with my luck run out confronting the tables and the bar. My significant other was sitting beside me however it was all the while testing with all the room commotion to hear her plainly. So I place it into left zoom and, while different clamors were as yet present, my better half's voice emerged progressively and I could hear her. So it came in convenient there despite the fact that it wasn't emotional. Each and every piece helps.:- )

I was additionally in the library at the beginning of today and conversing with two ladies, one whose discourse volume was low. While talking, I hauled out the MyPilot and kicked up the volume a couple of scores and it had any kind of effect.

In the event that you will be in various situations, particularly difficult ones, it's great to have a remote since you may need to modify settings to manage the specific difficulties.

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

JordanK

How well are the arches functioning for? Is it accurate to say that you were offered a formed earpiece or is your listening ability misfortune sufficiently low to where you needn't bother with them? It might be ideal in the event that you posted your audiogram.

I haven't attempted a formed earpiece. My audiologist has shown that I needn't bother with this given my listening ability misfortune. He said that we could fit the portable amplifiers with control recipients if required. The arches on these portable amplifiers (torpedo molded) are greatly improved than the common tulip vaults.

I just added my audiogram to my mark.

Jordan

JordanK Originally Posted by onlyme

Much thanks to you Jordan for your posts - I am certain I'm by all account not the only prowler following your advance with the new flavor helps with reckoning.

I'm expected to be fitted with an arrangement of Ambra ITE helps one week from now. I'm not exactly beyond any doubt what's in store, having already just worn *basic* portable amplifiers, yet ideally i'll be similarly satisfied with the execution of the new Spice chipset.

I have one inquiry however, that I'd be thankful for your idea on - would you suggest getting the remote?

My audi said that 90% of remote controls wind up social affair tidy, so discouraged me from purchasing/trialing one. I know it's initial days, yet do you locate the remote basic?

I think you truly require the remote. The reason I say this is I generally like to utilize the catches on the portable hearing assistants to change programs. This implies the best way to change the volume is to utilize a remote. I don't have to do this constantly, yet the few times you need more volume...its extremely accommodating. The other thing is that these new Smart IXs have a component called "FlexControl" which is a takeoff from how you the volume control normally functions. With FlexControl, when you increment the volume on the remote, the portable hearing assistants just increment the voice frequencies. This is a truly cool element in light of the fact that 90% of the time when you are fiddling with the volume, you are doings so since you can't hear discourse. My common circumstance is that I change to a program with overwhelming commotion decrease and I have to increase the volume a bit to raise the volume of the voices. FlexControl makes this more effective on the grounds that I'm not boosting up the top of the line and low end clamor.

The second essential explanation behind getting the remote is that its a decent device for tweaking the listening devices amid your initial couple of months of fitting. It gives you the capacity to play with the projects under different sound situations and enables you to explore different avenues regarding turning here and there the volume. The more you fiddle, the more data you will have the capacity to give your audiologist portraying how each program is getting along. This is vital amid the initial 3-5 fittings.

The Third purpose behind the remote needs to do with the StereoZoom highlight on these listening devices. You can utilize the remote to tell the portable hearing assistants that you need to hear sound from a specific heading (i.e. front, back, left right). Some great uses for this are viewing a motion picture (zoom front), bringing a driving outing with a traveler (zoom right), or snoop on your high school kids (zoom behind). I don't utilize this much however in some cases it proves to be useful.

The last reason is that these portable hearing assistants have a learning capacity. After you get fitted, each time you touch the volume in the programmed mode, the amplifiers gain from your activities and change consequently to adjust to your necessities. When you backpedal for your next fitting, the audiologist can perceive how the listening devices adjusted and roll out improvements, and so on.

Simply my 2 pennies. Possibly another person will bounce in with more reasons. I don't utilize it constantly however its helpful in some cases.

Jordan.

Stratuscom JordanK

How well are the vaults functioning for? Is it safe to say that you were offered a shaped earpiece or is your listening ability misfortune sufficiently low to where you needn't bother with them? It might be ideal on the off chance that you posted your audiogram.

banshee I'm discovering the majority of Jordan's posts entrancing since I will be trialing the same in two or three weeks (I picked blue ) I likewise am presently 3 days into trialing Agil Pros. Whatever I wind up getting, they will be my first guides ever, so now I truly don't have whatever else to contrast them and. I'm truly inquisitive how the Phonaks will feel and function in contrast with the Oticons, which I'm enjoying up until this point. I gave them a trial by flame today by setting off to a loud eatery with two of my sweethearts, both of whom have complements that outing me up consistently (Indian and Vietnamese). It was incredible not to need to state "what??" or "huh??" at regular intervals!

Kathy

onlyme Thank you Jordan for your posts - I am certain I'm not by any means the only prowler following your advance with the new zest helps with reckoning.

I'm expected to be fitted with an arrangement of Ambra ITE helps one week from now. I'm not exactly beyond any doubt what's in store, having beforehand just worn *basic* listening devices, yet ideally i'll be similarly satisfied with the execution of the new Spice chipset.

I have one inquiry however, that I'd be appreciative for your idea on - would you suggest getting the remote?

My audi said that 90% of remote controls wind up social event clean, so discouraged me from purchasing/trialing one. I know it's initial days, however do you locate the remote fundamental?

JordanK Originally Posted by cnicklo

Jordan,

A debt of gratitude is in order for the updates. These new Phonaks sound awesome. I'll be intrigued to hear the aftereffects of your "weight testing" in boisterous situations since your last Phonaks didn't execute also there.

The one thing that truly bugs me about the Phonak line is the iCom. With all the specialized updates they're making to their portable hearing assistants and fitting programming, you'd think they could show improvement over the wired neckloop.

Maybe this is underway. On the off chance that I had my figure, it would be and whatever eventual discharged later on would be good with this new zest chip line of HA's.

Chris

The portable hearing assistants performed truly well in the uproarious cafeteria at work today. It wasn't flawless yet the person I was eating with was French Canadian and his complement makes it somewhat of a more noteworthy test. I had no issues hearing the serving lady or the individual at the cash...so I think the portable amplifiers are doing what they should do. I am eating today around evening time with my whole family and they are exceptionally boisterous. I might perceive how they do in a "family" domain. One thing is certain....the amplifiers are superior to the old variants.

The one thing these portable hearing assistants do truly well is foundation commotions. Things like keys clanking, the sound of your strides on rock, the sound of somebody rolling a bag along the ground, auto motor noises...are all stunning. In fact...much superior to anything pretty much whatever other portable amplifiers I have utilized.

Yes...the wire neck circle is irritating. Be that as it may, I will state the sound quality is better than average. Superior to the Resound Unite Phone Clip. The genuine magnificence of the Resound unit is that its more discrete than the iCom and you don't feel senseless with something odd looking sticking around your neck. Maybe Phonak will think of something better.

I have connected two or three photographs on the off chance that anybody needs to realize what they resemble. You will take note of that I got them in red...cause...red is the FASTEST shading.

JordanK.

JordanK Originally Posted by davidbarry

Howdy JordanK, a debt of gratitude is in order for the refresh. Sounds like the new Spice form of the Smart IXs are a stamped change. That meeting room condition you portray is one of the all the more difficult listening situations. Do you know whether a current fundamental Smart IX (for absence of a superior depiction) can be moved up to a Spice? It sounds like it's an alternate processor, yet is the outer lodging and different segments practically the same as the Smart IX?

What is the official name of these gadgets with the Spice chip? Is it a Smart IX? On the off chance that you simply approach now for a Smart IX from an audi today, is this what you would get? (statements of regret for every one of the inquiries)

Much appreciated once more. David

The new Smart IXs utilize precisely the same as the old adaptation. You can't generally differentiate with the exception of the mouthpiece range on top of the listening devices which looks somewhat changed.

The new forms are known as the Phonak Audeo S Smart IX. They just included a "S" to show Spice??

Jordan

JordanK Originally Posted by Stratuscom

JordanK,

How did the underlying fitting go? Did the audiologist have any issues with the new programming or say that the fitting was less demanding/harder than with the old programming?

Are these guides simpler or harder to figure out how to work or present any exceptional issues?

I'm getting the Ambra MicroM on the fifteenth.

The underlying fitting took longer than I anticipated. I ponder a hour and a half. The purpose behind this is the product is totally not the same as the past variant of Phonak's fitting programming. My audiologist was all the while making sense of how to utilize the product and he appeared to show that there are as yet a couple of bugs. That being stated, once we got up and running, it went easily.

The guides work an indistinguishable path from the old Smart IXs...so no change. These listening devices are anything but difficult to work yet I will state that the remote is more unpredictable than the Resound Unite Remote for the Aleras.

I simply completed one more day of wearing these portable amplifiers and they are incredible. I gave them a shot in the organization cafeteria today and they did approve.

JordanK.

nc2kids Your surveys are extremely educational Jordan! If it's not too much trouble keep them coming and I am additionally thinking about on attempting the Spice era arrangement yet the effective ones like Ambra

cnicklo Jordan,

Much obliged for the updates. These new Phonaks sound awesome. I'll be intrigued to hear the aftereffects of your "weight testing" in uproarious conditions since your last Phonaks didn't execute also there.

The one thing that truly bugs me about the Phonak line is the iCom. With all the specialized updates they're making to their portable amplifiers and fitting programming, you'd think they could show improvement over the wired neckloop.

Maybe this is in progress. In the event that I had my figure, it would be and whatever eventual discharged later on would be perfect with this new flavor chip line of HA's.

Chris

Um bongo Originally Posted by davidbarry

Hello JordanK, a debt of gratitude is in order for the refresh. Sounds like the new Spice variant of the Smart IXs are a checked change. That gathering room condition you depict is one of the all the more difficult listening situations. Do you know whether a current fundamental Smart IX (for absence of a superior portrayal) can be moved up to a Spice? It sounds like it's an alternate processor, yet is the outer lodging and different parts essentially the same as the Smart IX?

What is the official name of these gadgets with the Spice chip? Is it a Smart IX? On the off chance that you simply approach now for a Smart IX from an audi today, is this what you would get? (expressions of remorse for every one of the inquiries)

Much obliged once more. David

Shockingly, individuals appear to be taking a gander at this item the wrong route around. What Phonak have done is totally redesigned the chipset from the center stage to the zest stage. This has then been figured out into the current shells (in the principle, with two or three special cases) which makes it resemble an overhaul.

Actually the item is completely new from the beginning, it keeps running far quicker, it shares data and sound over the head contrastingly AND it incorporates the principal fulling binaural remote mic cluster. It likewise keeps running on totally new programming (TARGET).

The product offering incorporates Ambra, Audeo Smart S, Mini S, at different levels of innovation.

It's hard to draw a parallel, however in the event that you envision a Pentium D PC running XP being moved up to a Quad-Core Windows 7 machine, you get the possibility of the sort of step made.

davidbarry Originally Posted by JordanK

Thought I would post a speedy refresh. These new Spice adaptations of the Smart IXs are doing truly well. Much superior to anything I had anticipated. I don't think we should all rush to limit the progressions that went into the new Spice refreshes. I sat through a long meeting yesterday in an extensive meeting room that had loads of aerating and cooling fan commotion. The room was masterminded with the work areas in a U development and there were various ladies in the meeting with delicate voices. The portable hearing assistants did ridiculously well. I had no issues hearing anybody and I didn't need to touch the volume control once. The portable hearing assistants were in programmed mode for the entire time so I truly have no chance to get of knowing which programs were being chosen for the sound conditions. The listening devices appear to detect when somebody is conversing with one side of your face and they channel a portion of the discussion remotely to the next amplifier. I am sure they are doing this however I don't know when this is going on. Its kinda inconspicuous and the portable amplifiers flip between programs easily.

I additionally saw that the portable hearing assistants made a decent showing with regards to of flipping into a clamor diminishment mode when I was driving on the parkway in my auto. The commotion lessening was proper for the street clamor conditions and I could in any case hear the radio fine and dandy. The other thing I have seen is that the devotion on these portable hearing assistants is better. I speculate that the speedier sound processor has something to do with this.

Regardless I see the portable amplifiers doing irregular things every once in a while. Once in a while they flip all through a program and keeping in mind that the change is subtle...it is observable. You sorta understand that impeded feeling for a couple of moments as it goes into commotion diminishment mode and after that changes to autozoom or stereo zoom. The vast majority wouldn't see however I'm a particular sort of fellow.

I am additionally utilizing the redesigned iCom. The wire is as yet irritating however the sound quality shows improvement over the Resound Unite Phone Clip. I have gotten some information about the sound quality when I'm conversing with them on the telephone and they say it sounds awesome. It will be intense settling on a choice between having the iCom with a wire (and better solid quality) versus the Unite Phone Clip, no wire and lower quality sound.

This is ending up being a nearer horse race than I initially thought. Still need to torment test the Smarts in a truly loud Chinese sustenance eatery or something like that...hehehehe.

JordanK.

Hello there JordanK, much obliged for the refresh. Sounds like the new Spice variant of the Smart IXs are a stamped change. That gathering room condition you portray is one of the all the more difficult listening situations. Do you know whether a current fundamental Smart IX (for absence of a superior portrayal) can be moved up to a Spice? It sounds like it's an alternate processor, yet is the outside lodging and different segments practically the same as the Smart IX?

What is the official name of these gadgets with the Spice chip? Is it a Smart IX? On the off chance that you simply approach now for a Smart IX from an audi today, is this what you would get? (statements of regret for every one of the inquiries)

Much obliged once more. David

Stratuscom SuJaDon

I absolutely will give a report. I will give my underlying impression when they are fitted and a more top to bottom survey after I have had an opportunity to assess them in various settings.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by Stratuscom

JordanK,

How did the underlying fitting go? Did the audiologist have any issues with the new programming or say that the fitting was less demanding/harder than with the old programming?

Are these guides less demanding or harder to figure out how to work or present any extraordinary issues?

I'm getting the Ambra MicroM on the fifteenth.

If it's not too much trouble reveal to us what you think about the Ambra MicroM after you have been fitted. Would love to comprehend what your contemplations are on the advantages and disadvantages of them. I am recently persistently sitting tight for my Audie to get in touch with me.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by JordanK

I had my underlying fitting of the new Audeo S Smart IXs

JordanK,

How did the underlying fitting go? Did the audiologist have any issues with the new programming or say that the fitting was simpler/harder than with the old programming?

Are these guides simpler or harder to figure out how to work or present any interesting issues?

I'm getting the Ambra MicroM on the fifteenth.

JordanK Thought I would post a brisk refresh. These new Spice renditions of the Smart IXs are doing truly well. Much superior to anything I had anticipated. I don't think we should all rush to limit the progressions that went into the new Spice refreshes. I sat through a long meeting yesterday in a substantial meeting room that had bunches of cooling fan commotion. The room was organized with the work areas in a U arrangement and there were various ladies in the meeting with delicate voices. The portable amplifiers did super well. I had no issues hearing anybody and I didn't need to touch the volume control once. The portable amplifiers were in programmed mode for the entire time so I truly have no chance to get of knowing which programs were being chosen for the sound conditions. The portable hearing assistants appear to detect when somebody is conversing with one side of your face and they channel a portion of the discussion remotely to the next amplifier. I am sure they are doing this yet I don't know when this is going on. Its kinda unpretentious and the listening devices flip between programs easily.

I likewise saw that the portable amplifiers made a decent showing with regards to of flipping into a commotion decrease mode when I was driving on the thruway in my auto. The clamor diminishment was suitable for the street commotion conditions and I could even now hear the radio fine and dandy. The other thing I have seen is that the constancy on these listening devices is better. I presume that the speedier sound processor has something to do with this.

Regardless I see the listening devices doing odd things every once in a while. Here and there they flip all through a program and keeping in mind that the change is subtle...it is recognizable. You sorta understand that blocked feeling for a couple of moments as it goes into commotion diminishment mode and after that changes to autozoom or stereo zoom. A great many people wouldn't see however I'm a particular sort of fellow.

I am additionally utilizing the updated iCom. The wire is as yet irritating however the sound quality shows improvement over the Resound Unite Phone Clip. I have gotten some information about the sound quality when I'm conversing with them on the telephone and they say it sounds incredible. It will be extreme settling on a choice between having the iCom with a wire (and better stable quality) versus the Unite Phone Clip, no wire and lower quality sound.

This is ending up being a nearer horse race than I initially thought. Still need to torment test the Smarts in a truly uproarious Chinese sustenance eatery or something like that...hehehehe.

JordanK.

aero777 Originally Posted by Um bongo

It won't. iPFG simply had another refresh a day or two ago. Target is a different new stage and introduces as another module totally isolate from iPFG.

Much appreciated Um bongo I missed that. I see they now have iPFG 2.6b.

JordanK Originally Posted by cnicklo

Hey Jordan,

Since I got some information about it, here is your diagram in an arrangement you can glue in your mark document.

-

Audiogram

Left ………Hertz ……Right

25……………250…………45

35……………500…………55

50……………750…………NA

60…………1000…………50

60…………2000…………55

65…………4000…………60

90…………6000…………70

90…………8000…………90

One inquiry for you as you're trialing diverse HA models. . .Have you at any point talked about the Widex Clear 440s with your Audiologist? I'm genuinely thinking of them as, however they're not yet accessible in the U.S. (they are in Canada).

They appear to offer a lot of what you're searching for - binaural remote, remote TV, cellphone, music abilities, and so forth . .The cell streamer has a module include so you can transmit music without utilizing bluetooth for better devotion.

Chris

Greetings Chris,

A debt of gratitude is in order for you note and a debt of gratitude is in order for helping me with the audiogram.

I haven't considered the Widex Clear portable amplifiers. My audiologist likes to work with Phonak and GN Resound items. A year ago I got some information about a portion of alternate brands (Oticon, and so forth) and his sentiment was that Phonak and GN Resound speak to the main edge and that a large number of alternate brands tumble down in at least one ranges. Specifically, he demonstrated that the opposition's sound processor's were not up to a similar level. He raises a decent point. None of the fancy odds and ends merit anything if the portable amplifiers can't perform in an extensive variety of sound and listening situations.

I've been wearing the new Audeo S Smart IXs for a day now and they are shockingly great. Actually, they appear to be a noteworthy change over the old Smart IXs and near the Alera 9s. They breezed through one test the previous evening without a hitch (seeing little kids who have sharp voices and talk too quick) and I'm anticipating taking them to the workplace at the beginning of today to perceive how they do in gatherings, uproarious cafeteria, and so forth.

I will post more on my impressions later today around evening time.

JordanK.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

A debt of gratitude is in order for keeping us refreshed Jordan. Anticipating hearing what you consider them in a day or somewhere in the vicinity. I am quietly holding up until Friday to perceive what the Australian site of Phonak appears as being accessible here in Oz and afterward I will contact my Audie at the end of the day.

Australia gets Ambra and Yes/Smart/Mini IX,V and III like whatever is left of the world. I likewise have my costs set on the off chance that you need to PM me to discover what my Australian estimating is.

cnicklo Hi Jordan,

Since I got some information about it, here is your diagram in an arrangement you can glue in your mark document.

-

Audiogram

Left ………Hertz ……Right

25……………250…………45

35……………500…………55

50……………750…………NA

60…………1000…………50

60…………2000…………55

65…………4000…………60

90…………6000…………70

90…………8000…………90

One inquiry for you as you're trialing diverse HA models. . .Have you at any point talked about the Widex Clear 440s with your Audiologist? I'm truly thinking of them as, however they're not yet accessible in the U.S. (they are in Canada).

They appear to offer a lot of what you're searching for - binaural remote, remote TV, cellphone, music capacities, and so on . .The cell streamer has a module highlight so you can transmit music without utilizing bluetooth for better devotion.

Chris

Initially Posted by JordanK

I had my underlying fitting of the new Audeo S Smart IXs and I've been wearing them for a couple of hours. Here are some underlying perceptions:

The listening devices look the same as the old Smart IXs aside from the vault on the RIC is another plan. They are sorta torpedo formed with a gap in the tip with a little curve of elastic that curves over the gap. They appear to be fit superior to the tulip arches and they remain in my ear much better. Also...the battery cover appears somewhat more strong

There are loads of new elements on these portable amplifiers. The most prominent ones are SteroZoom and ZoomControl. Both of these elements appear as projects in one of your program spaces and get naturally chosen in the auto mode. You can likewise utilize the remote or push through the projects by squeezing the catch on the listening devices to get to these two new projects. These projects feature these listening device's capacity to transmit motions between amplifiers. As it were, these projects take sound from one of the amplifier's receivers and transmit it to the next ear with a specific end goal to enhance sound in commotion, and so forth. On the off chance that you look on Phonak's site, it clarifies it in detail. I will tell you what I think about them after I have played with these projects for some time.

Another new component that I thought was cool is the way the volume control deals with the remote. When utilizing the volume control, you would setup be able to the listening devices to just increase the volume inside the discourse scope of frequencies. This is great since I just increase the volume on the portable hearing assistants when I can't hear somebody talking. I for the most part don't need the foundation commotion to likewise increment in volume. This ought to be to a great degree valuable in programs with heaps of clamor lessening as well as loud situations.

Subsequent to viewing the audiologist program these portable hearing assistants, I should state that the new programming is totally extraordinary and amazingly mind boggling. It will take every one of you audiologist some an opportunity to make sense of how to utilize it appropriately...

Things are progressing pretty well. The Phonaks unquestionably give you a busier sound affair (versus characteristic) contrasted with the Alera listening devices. The genuine test will be discourse in clamor.

I will update all of you as often as possible. I have connected my audiogram as a .jpg Can somebody enable me to make an interpretation of this into numbers that I can add to my mark? I don't know whether the numbers I find in the greater part of your marks are db misfortune or percent of ordinary hearing. I require some help....

JordanK.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by JordanK

I had my underlying fitting of the new Audeo S Smart IXs and I've been wearing them for a couple of hours. Here are some underlying perceptions:

The portable amplifiers look the same as the old Smart IXs with the exception of the arch on the RIC is another plan. They are sorta torpedo formed with an opening in the tip with a little curve of elastic that curves over the gap. They appear to be fit superior to the tulip arches and they remain in my ear much better. Also...the battery cover appears somewhat more solid

There are heaps of new elements on these portable hearing assistants. The most outstanding ones are SteroZoom and ZoomControl. Both of these components appear as projects in one of your program openings and get naturally chosen in the auto mode. You can likewise utilize the remote or go through the projects by squeezing the catch on the portable amplifiers to get to these two new projects. These projects exhibit these listening device's capacity to transmit motions between portable hearing assistants. As it were, these projects take sound from one of the listening device's receivers and transmit it to the next ear with a specific end goal to enhance sound in clamor, and so on. In the event that you look on Phonak's site, it clarifies it in detail. I will tell you what I think about them after I have played with these projects for some time.

Another new element that I thought was cool is the way the volume control chips away at the remote. When utilizing the volume control, you would setup be able to the portable amplifiers to just increase the volume inside the discourse scope of frequencies. This is great since I just increase the volume on the portable amplifiers when I can't hear somebody talking. I by and large don't need the foundation clamor to likewise increment in volume. This ought to be to a great degree valuable in programs with loads of commotion decrease as well as loud situations.

In the wake of viewing the audiologist program these portable amplifiers, I should state that the new programming is totally extraordinary and amazingly perplexing. It will take every one of you audiologist some an opportunity to make sense of how to utilize it legitimately...

No issues up to this point. The Phonaks unquestionably give you a busier sound ordeal (versus normal) contrasted with the Alera amplifiers. The genuine test will be discourse in clamor.

I will update all of you as often as possible. I have connected my audiogram as a .jpg Can somebody enable me to make an interpretation of this into numbers that I can add to my mark? I don't know whether the numbers I find in the greater part of your marks are db misfortune or percent of ordinary hearing. I require some help....

JordanK.

Much obliged for keeping us refreshed Jordan. Anticipating hearing what you consider them in a day or thereabouts. I am persistently holding up until Friday to perceive what the Australian site of Phonak appears as being accessible here in Oz and after that I will contact my Audie at the end of the day.

Um bongo Originally Posted by aero777

I continue trusting that when I select "check for iPFG Updates" in the assistance window of iPFG 2.6 it will give me the chance to download Target 1.0. In any case, so far no such luckiness. In the event that anyone knows how to move up to Target by means of the web, please text me. Much obliged!

It won't. iPFG simply had another refresh a few days ago. Target is a different new stage and introduces as another module totally isolate from iPFG.

aero777 I continue trusting that when I select "check for iPFG Updates" in the assistance window of iPFG 2.6 it will give me the chance to download Target 1.0. Be that as it may, so far no such luckiness. On the off chance that anyone knows how to move up to Target by means of the web, please text me. Much appreciated!

sonor/zildjian I've utilized the new fitting programming now for some days...it's more than complex, additionally less demanding to take after than the iPFG. It's a major stride ahead for programming HA. F.ex. you have display the audiograms as history (alright i can likewise see that in NOAHaud, however i need to change window and). It could likewise be exceptionally pleasant the possibility of a 2. screen to demonstrate the customers what you're doing taking out the majority of the specialized terms...let's see the principal fittings...

for the audiogram:

250 Hz; 500 Hz; 750 Hz; 1 kHz; 2 kHz; 4 kHz; 6 kHz; 8 kHz;

R 45 dB; 55 dB; - ; 50 dB; 55 dB; 60 dB; 70 dB; 90 dB;

L 25 dB; 35 dB; 50 dB; 60 dB; 60 dB; 65 dB; 90 dB; 90 dB;

JordanK I had my underlying fitting of the new Audeo S Smart IXs and I've been wearing them for a couple of hours. Here are some underlying perceptions:

The amplifiers look the same as the old Smart IXs aside from the vault on the RIC is another outline. They are sorta torpedo molded with an opening in the tip with a little curve of elastic that curves over the gap. They appear to be fit superior to the tulip arches and they remain in my ear much better. Also...the battery cover appears somewhat more strong

There are heaps of new components on these listening devices. The most remarkable ones are SteroZoom and ZoomControl. Both of these elements appear as projects in one of your program openings and get consequently chosen in the auto mode. You can likewise utilize the remote or go through the projects by squeezing the catch on the portable amplifiers to get to these two new projects. These projects exhibit these listening device's capacity to transmit motions between portable hearing assistants. At the end of the day, these projects take sound from one of the listening device's mouthpieces and transmit it to the next ear keeping in mind the end goal to enhance sound in clamor, and so on. On the off chance that you look on Phonak's site, it clarifies it in detail. I will tell you what I think about them after I have played with these projects for some time.

Another new component that I thought was cool is the way the volume control takes a shot at the remote. When utilizing the volume control, you would setup be able to the portable amplifiers to just increase the volume inside the discourse scope of frequencies. This is great since I just increase the volume on the portable hearing assistants when I can't hear somebody talking. I for the most part don't need the foundation commotion to likewise increment in volume. This ought to be to a great degree valuable in programs with heaps of commotion lessening as well as boisterous conditions.

Subsequent to viewing the audiologist program these portable amplifiers, I should state that the new programming is totally extraordinary and amazingly perplexing. It will take every one of you audiologist some an opportunity to make sense of how to utilize it appropriately...

No issues up to this point. The Phonaks certainly give you a busier sound ordeal (versus common) contrasted with the Alera listening devices. The genuine test will be discourse in clamor.

I will update all of you as often as possible. I have joined my audiogram as a .jpg Can somebody enable me to make an interpretation of this into numbers that I can add to my mark? I don't know whether the numbers I find in the greater part of your marks are db misfortune or percent of ordinary hearing. I require some help....

JordanK.

JordanK Originally Posted by cnicklo

Hello there Jordan,

One thing that may accommodating to those following your trials of various listening devices is share the consequences of your audiogram in your mark. It is incredible to comprehend where you're hearing misfortune is when contrasted with our own.

Don't know whether you'd be happy with doing this however thought I'd offer it as a recommendation.

Fare thee well. . .also, thanks again for every one of your endeavors.

Chris

I'll post my audiogram on Tuesday. The last one I had done not long ago is documented in my office some place. I'll get a photocopy from my audiologist on Tuesday and post it.

JordanK.

adrien24 Are the vents that individuals are alluding to the gap beside the one with the wax watch?

On the off chance that anybody gets a possibility, I'd love to check whether an audiologist believes that "in fact" Spice collectors can be traded with CORE (Audeo YES) recipients.

The Spice Audeo YES appears to be identical in photographs as the standard Audeo YES.

I'd be intrigued to know whether there's a probability that Spice SuperPower xReceivers could work with the Audeo YES instruments (which just go up to Power xReceivers).

SuperPower xReceivers are new for the Spice variant of the Audeo YES and I just purchased these a year back.

Just to include... the microPowers have a bigger scope of HL than the Audeo YES. I am baffled that Phonak hasn't tended to this... they kind of have with the SuperPower xReceivers, yet there's not as much adaptability in the event that you look at next to each other.

Anyway, as an Audeo YES client, I'd love it if there was even a plausibility that Spice Audeo YES (Audeo S YES) SuperPower xReceivers would work with Audeo YES listening devices!

Along these lines, on the off chance that you see that the portable amplifier collectors appear to be identical, please told me. Is the wire a similar size? Is the association with the listening device the same?

Phonak said the collectors were not tradable, but rather in some cases what they say may not be genuine actually. Presumably pie in the sky thinking on my part.

Um bongo Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Bit startling to the overall population who pay out $10,000.00 for a couple of listening devices to discover that they are just on a par with the "fitter's ability levels" and that ideally the new Target programming will redress this.....mmmmmmmmmmm

I'd say that has an inseparable tie to the cost. You're not recently paying for a bit of equipment, you're asking an Audiologist/Dispenser to customize a hearing framework in light of your physical and psycho-acoustic needs. Without a doubt the main part of that esteem is in the execution of the 'fitter', not only the little bit of hardware on your ears.

EnglishDispenser And yes I think Phonak should possess up to issues in these HAs

I have addressed a QA executive at Phonak and they were sure that NO significant issues existed ... since the link mounting issue has been settled.

undoubtedly offer some sort of update rebate (substantial) to Spice.

No portable amplifier - or its fitting - is great. On the off chance that this markdown course were typical then MANY individuals would assert issues essentially to redesign inexpensively.

xbulder Originally Posted by davidbarry

Well I'm around 9 months in and I've seen 4 audiologists, 1 prescribed by Phonak and another related with an adjacent healing center, despite everything they can't get these HAs balanced right. What's more, I've seen many posts saying "it's just a programming issue," however I don't trust that is genuine any longer. I believe it's an issue with the guides themselves as JordanK has said too. Unless the product is complex to the point that 4 audiologists can make sense of it - which may well be valid. In any case, what does that say in regards to the product? Poor programming plan, I would state. Sort of like the beginning of PCs when you needed to utilize MS-DOS.

This is the issue with the business. It's a desparate requirement for a large number of us enduring with hearing misfortune, steady advances in innovation, benefit and showcasing driven, and many-sided quality that is mind boggling. On top of that, it's difficult to have norms to look at since every one of us have diverse hearing misfortunes. Which is the reason I am grateful to have this hearing discussion to share notes and bits of knowledge.

Each of the 4 audiologists reveal to me that they don't have numerous issues with different patients utilizing the Audeo Smarts. So I would begin to think i was insane on the off chance that I didn't hear different voices on this discussion approving what I've been encountering. What's more, yes I think Phonak should possess up to issues in these HAs and surely offer some sort of update rebate (substantial) to Spice. I can't resist the urge to believe that the majority of the negative discourse I've found out about the Smarts in this gathering impacts the Phonak mark. Be that as it may, they keep on being mum on the issue. Indeed, the best cutting edge organizations are continually observing web 2.0 gatherings like this and Twitter to ensure their image is not being contrarily influenced. It would be truly pleasant to have a Phonak rep say something regarding this gathering and give a clarification about this issue with the Smarts.

they do... Somebody from Sona (phonak sister organization contributed at certain point)

davidbarry Originally Posted by hearnow

I speculate your failure ot hear discourse unmistakably in clamor is in all probability connected to how the guides were modified, as it sounds like the affectability was too high in regards to the soundflow swithcing for you needs. The discourse in-commotion program additionally appears to have been the one misshaping, which may have implied too low MPO settings if the distant discourse was louder than those voices close by. Phonak up to now has been exceptionally specialized listening devices, being extremely touchy to the fitter's aptitude levels. The new Target programming for the Spice stage, appears to guarantee that the nature of fitting is more predictable independent of the fitter's expertise levels.

I might likewise want to perceive how any manufacurer, not just Phonak, would overhaul customers to the following modle for nothing... I don't think so.

Well I'm around 9 months in and I've seen 4 audiologists, 1 suggested by Phonak and another related with an adjacent healing center, despite everything they can't get these HAs balanced right. Also, I've seen many posts saying "it's just a programming issue," however I don't trust that is genuine any longer. I believe it's an issue with the guides themselves as JordanK has said too. Unless the product is complex to the point that 4 audiologists can make sense of it - which may well be valid. Be that as it may, what does that say in regards to the product? Poor programming plan, I would state. Sort of like the beginning of PCs when you needed to utilize MS-DOS.

This is the issue with the business. It's a desparate requirement for a great many us enduring with hearing misfortune, consistent advances in innovation, benefit and promoting driven, and multifaceted nature that is mind boggling. On top of that, it's difficult to have models to think about since every one of us have diverse hearing misfortunes. Which is the reason I am appreciative to have this hearing discussion to share notes and experiences.

Every one of the 4 audiologists reveal to me that they don't have numerous issues with different patients utilizing the Audeo Smarts. So I would begin to think i was insane on the off chance that I didn't hear different voices on this discussion approving what I've been encountering. Also, yes I think Phonak should claim up to issues in these HAs and absolutely offer some kind of overhaul rebate (huge) to Spice. I can't resist the urge to believe that the majority of the negative analysis I've found out about the Smarts in this gathering impacts the Phonak mark. In any case, they keep on being mum on the issue. Actually, the best innovative organizations are continually checking web 2.0 discussions like this and Twitter to ensure their image is not being adversely influenced. It would be truly decent to have a Phonak rep say something regarding this discussion and give a clarification about this issue with the Smarts.

nc2kids @ JordanK, will sit tight for your reports on the Spice Generation.I concur with cnicklo, if posting your audiogram is not an issue it is useful to others in sharing any useful info.

cnicklo Originally Posted by JordanK

Much obliged everybody for your inspirational statements. I'm glad to the point that everybody values my posts. Experiencing hearing misfortune is a continuous test and its made simpler by sharing data from other individuals who are managing similar issues.

davidbarry: I spent around 3 months testing the Smart IXs before I began testing the Alera 9s. I truly preferred the Smart IXs and I truly needed to keep these portable amplifiers. From numerous points of view, they are a jump forward contrasted with other listening devices. For instance, the Smarts make an astonishing showing with regards to with natural sounds. When I began utilizing these listening devices, I should state that I could hear such a large number of various sounds that I hadn't seen before. Stuff like flying creatures twittering, movement, machine clamor, and different sounds were all abruptly there again like a memory that has blurred and returned. These guides give you a standout amongst the most reasonable natural encounters that is accessible today. The Smarts are additionally magnificent with Music and the remote synchronization between the two guides for exchanging programs is amazing.

The unrivaled zone that they don't do well in is discourse in loud/bustling conditions. The more that we played with the settings and the more that I considered it, I started to understand that there was an issue with the way the portable amplifiers were preparing sound. The reason I say this is the listening devices made such an astounding showing with regards to with foundation sounds however the moment that the commotion levels expanded to a specific point, voice sounds begun to significantly contort. The normal situation was that I would be sitting in an exceptionally uproarious eatery with a pack of individuals around the table. Sounds like dishes clacking, kitchen sounds, seats moving would be perfectly clear however the minute that the individual alongside me began talking, I observed their voice to be contorted and hard to get it. Here and there I could even hear individuals at the following table talking much better than the individual sitting beside me. It was practically similar to the portable amplifiers had chosen to concentrate their handling power on the loudest winning sound and were treating the voices of the general population beside me as undesirable commotion. This wasn't just limited to uproarious eateries. The other situation that made me insane had a tendency to occur at the workplace amid gatherings. I would regularly be in an expansive meeting room with 5-10 individuals and all was flawless until the point that the ventilating framework chosen to chill the room off. The minute the fan turned on, the Smart IXs would by one means or another emphasis on the fan clamor and the voices of the general population talking in the meeting would begin to contort and additionally be hard to get it. I would have a go at exchanging projects and turning up the pick up utilizing the remote however it didn't generally offer assistance. Kinda makes you begin to think about whether there was a product mistake in the code that was advising the amplifiers to do the wrong thing. My audiologist had an alternate hypothesis. He felt that Phonak's way to deal with clamor diminishment was to remove bring down recurrence sounds when the commotion levels hit a specific point. I figure the hypothesis is that most undesirable commotion has a tendency to be in the lower recurrence run and that by removing lower recurrence sounds, you make voices less demanding to listen. Whatever the case may be....I found that the listening devices truly tumbled down in boisterous situations. As I've said some time recently, portable amplifiers that can't manage boisterous conditions like eateries are truly a misuse of cash.

Lets all sit back and watch if Phonak has tended to this issue with the updated Spice forms. In the event that they have figured out how to settle the discourse in commotion issue...these helps would unquestionably be at the highest priority on my rundown. It would likewise be pleasant if Phonak claimed up to the insufficiencies in the first form and offered to overhaul current proprietors for no charge.

I will post more on Tuesday after I get fitted.

JordanK.

Hey Jordan,

One thing that may supportive to those following your trials of various portable amplifiers is share the aftereffects of your audiogram in your mark. It is incredible to comprehend where you're hearing misfortune is when contrasted with our own.

Don't know whether you'd be happy with doing this yet thought I'd offer it as a proposal.

Fare thee well. . .furthermore, thanks again for every one of your endeavors.

Chris

Stratuscom Originally Posted by davidbarry

How would you hinder the vents? What's more, on the off chance that you do that, don't you feel impeded and obstruct in.

Micropower IXs are one form sooner than the Smarts. You can obstruct the vents with a little bit of elastic or other flexible material. Yes, it will feel impeded, yet you will have the capacity to decide whether the processor is yielding lucidity to counteract criticism. My vents were 2 mm in distance across. The audiologist had plugs with a 1 mm opening that enhanced lucidity without feeling completely impeded.

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

I presume your failure ot hear discourse unmistakably in commotion is in all probability connected to how the guides were modified, as it sounds like the affectability was too high with respect to the soundflow swithcing for you needs. The discourse in-clamor program additionally appears to have been the one misshaping, which may have implied too low MPO settings if the distant discourse was louder than those voices close by. Phonak up to now has been extremely specialized listening devices, being exceptionally delicate to the fitter's ability levels. The new Target programming for the Spice stage, appears to guarantee that the nature of fitting is more reliable regardless of the fitter's aptitude levels.

I might likewise want to perceive how any manufacurer, not just Phonak, would overhaul customers to the following modle for nothing... I don't think so.

Bit terrifying to the overall population who pay out $10,000.00 for a couple of amplifiers to discover that they are just in the same class as the "fitter's expertise levels" and that ideally the new Target programming will correct this.....mmmmmmmmmmm

hearnow Originally Posted by JordanK

Much appreciated everybody for your uplifting statements. I'm glad to the point that everybody values my posts. Experiencing hearing misfortune is a continuous test and its made simpler by sharing data from other individuals who are managing similar issues.

davidbarry: I spent around 3 months testing the Smart IXs before I began testing the Alera 9s. I truly loved the Smart IXs and I truly needed to keep these portable amplifiers. From numerous points of view, they are a jump forward contrasted with other amplifiers. For instance, the Smarts make an astounding showing with regards to with natural sounds. When I began utilizing these listening devices, I should state that I could hear such a variety of various sounds that I hadn't seen before. Stuff like winged creatures tweeting, movement, machine clamor, and different sounds were all of a sudden there again like a memory that has blurred and returned. These guides give you a standout amongst the most sensible natural encounters that is accessible today. The Smarts are additionally fantastic with Music and the remote synchronization between the two guides for exchanging programs is amazing.

The unparalleled range that they don't do well in is discourse in boisterous/occupied conditions. The more that we played with the settings and the more that I contemplated it, I started to understand that there was an issue with the way the amplifiers were handling sound. The reason I say this is the portable amplifiers made such an astounding showing with regards to with foundation sounds however the moment that the clamor levels expanded to a specific point, voice sounds begun to drastically misshape. The normal situation was that I would be sitting in an extremely uproarious eatery with a pack of individuals around the table. Sounds like dishes clacking, kitchen sounds, seats moving would be perfectly clear however the minute that the individual beside me began talking, I observed their voice to be mutilated and hard to get it. Once in a while I could even hear individuals at the following table talking obviously better than the individual sitting beside me. It was practically similar to the portable amplifiers had chosen to concentrate their preparing power on the loudest winning sound and were treating the voices of the general population by me as undesirable clamor. This wasn't just confined to boisterous eateries. The other situation that made me insane had a tendency to occur at the workplace amid gatherings. I would normally be in a substantial meeting room with 5-10 individuals and all was impeccable until the point when the aerating and cooling framework chosen to chill the room off. The minute the fan turned on, the Smart IXs would some way or another emphasis on the fan commotion and the voices of the general population talking in the meeting would begin to contort and additionally be hard to get it. I would take a stab at exchanging projects and turning up the pick up utilizing the remote however it didn't generally offer assistance. Kinda makes you begin to think about whether there was a product mistake in the code that was advising the listening devices to do the wrong thing. My audiologist had an alternate hypothesis. He felt that Phonak's way to deal with clamor lessening was to remove bring down recurrence sounds when the commotion levels hit a specific point. I figure the hypothesis is that most undesirable clamor has a tendency to be in the lower recurrence run and that by removing lower recurrence sounds, you make voices less demanding to listen. Whatever the case may be....I found that the portable hearing assistants truly tumbled down in boisterous conditions. As I've said some time recently, portable hearing assistants that can't manage uproarious situations like eateries are truly a misuse of cash.

Lets all keep a watch out if Phonak has tended to this issue with the updated Spice forms. On the off chance that they have figured out how to settle the discourse in commotion issue...these helps would unquestionably be at the highest priority on my rundown. It would likewise be decent if Phonak possessed up to the inadequacies in the first form and offered to update current proprietors for no charge.

I will post more on Tuesday after I get fitted.

JordanK.

I presume your powerlessness ot hear discourse unmistakably in commotion is in all likelihood connected to how the guides were modified, as it sounds like the affectability was too high with respect to the soundflow swithcing for you needs. The discourse in-commotion program additionally appears to have been the one misshaping, which may have implied too low MPO settings if the distant discourse was louder than those voices close by. Phonak up to now has been exceptionally specialized portable amplifiers, being extremely touchy to the fitter's ability levels. The new Target programming for the Spice stage, appears to guarantee that the nature of fitting is more predictable independent of the fitter's aptitude levels.

I might likewise want to perceive how any manufacurer, not just Phonak, would redesign customers to the following modle for nothing... I don't think so.

xbulder Originally Posted by JordanK

Much appreciated everybody for your inspirational statements. I'm glad to the point that everybody values my posts. Experiencing hearing misfortune is a continuous test and its made less demanding by sharing data from other individuals who are managing similar issues.

davidbarry: I spent around 3 months testing the Smart IXs before I began testing the Alera 9s. I truly enjoyed the Smart IXs and I truly needed to keep these portable hearing assistants. From multiple points of view, they are a jump forward contrasted with other portable amplifiers. For instance, the Smarts make an astounding showing with regards to with natural sounds. When I began utilizing these portable amplifiers, I should state that I could hear such a large number of various sounds that I hadn't seen previously. Stuff like feathered creatures tweeting, activity, machine clamor, and different sounds were all of a sudden there again like a memory that has blurred and returned. These guides give you a standout amongst the most sensible ecological encounters that is accessible today. The Smarts are additionally fantastic with Music and the remote synchronization between the two guides for exchanging programs is wonderful.

The unparalleled region that they don't do well in is discourse in uproarious/occupied conditions. The more that we played with the settings and the more that I considered it, I started to understand that there was an issue with the way the portable amplifiers were handling sound. The reason I say this is the amplifiers made such an astounding showing with regards to with foundation sounds yet the moment that the clamor levels expanded to a specific point, voice sounds begun to significantly contort. The commonplace situation was that I would be sitting in an extremely loud eatery with a group of individuals around the table. Sounds like dishes banging, kitchen sounds, seats moving would be completely clear however the minute that the individual beside me began talking, I observed their voice to be contorted and hard to get it. In some cases I could even hear individuals at the following table talking obviously better than the individual sitting beside me. It was practically similar to the amplifiers had chosen to concentrate their preparing power on the loudest winning sound and were treating the voices of the general population by me as undesirable clamor. This wasn't just limited to uproarious eateries. The other situation that made me insane had a tendency to occur at the workplace amid gatherings. I would ordinarily be in a vast meeting room with 5-10 individuals and all was flawless until the point that the aerating and cooling framework chosen to chill the room off. The minute the fan turned on, the Smart IXs would by one means or another emphasis on the fan commotion and the voices of the general population talking in the meeting would begin to misshape or potentially be hard to get it. I would have a go at exchanging projects and turning up the pick up utilizing the remote however it didn't generally offer assistance. Kinda makes you begin to think about whether there was a product blunder in the code that was advising the amplifiers to do the wrong thing. My audiologist had an alternate hypothesis. He felt that Phonak's way to deal with clamor decrease was to remove bring down recurrence sounds when the commotion levels hit a specific point. I figure the hypothesis is that most undesirable clamor has a tendency to be in the lower recurrence extend and that by removing lower recurrence sounds, you make voices simpler to listen. Whatever the case may be....I found that the listening devices truly tumbled down in loud situations. As I've said some time recently, listening devices that can't manage boisterous conditions like eateries are truly a misuse of cash.

Lets all keep a watch out if Phonak has tended to this issue with the overhauled Spice variants. In the event that they have figured out how to settle the discourse in clamor issue...these helps would surely be at the highest priority on my rundown. It would likewise be decent if Phonak possessed up to the lacks in the first form and offered to update current proprietors for no charge.

I will post more on Tuesday after I get fitted.

JordanK.

Im willing to wager a brew that Phonak WOULD NOT overhaul for nothing out of pocket current proprietors. Maybe a peripheral markdown...

JordanK Thanks everybody for your uplifting statements. I'm glad to the point that everybody values my posts. Experiencing hearing misfortune is a progressing test and its made less demanding by sharing data from other individuals who are managing similar issues.

davidbarry: I spent around 3 months testing the Smart IXs before I began testing the Alera 9s. I truly enjoyed the Smart IXs and I truly needed to keep these portable amplifiers. From multiple points of view, they are a jump forward contrasted with other portable amplifiers. For instance, the Smarts make a stunning showing with regards to with ecological sounds. When I began utilizing these portable amplifiers, I should state that I could hear such a large number of various sounds that I hadn't seen previously. Stuff like winged creatures tweeting, activity, machine commotion, and different sounds were all of a sudden there again like a memory that has blurred and returned. These guides give you a standout amongst the most practical natural encounters that is accessible today. The Smarts are additionally brilliant with Music and the remote synchronization between the two guides for exchanging programs is great.

The unparalleled region that they don't do well in is discourse in boisterous/occupied conditions. The more that we played with the settings and the more that I pondered it, I started to understand that there was an issue with the way the portable hearing assistants were handling sound. The reason I say this is the portable amplifiers made such a stunning showing with regards to with foundation sounds however the moment that the commotion levels expanded to a specific point, voice sounds begun to drastically contort. The ordinary situation was that I would be sitting in an extremely boisterous eatery with a cluster of individuals around the table. Sounds like dishes banging, kitchen sounds, seats moving would be perfectly clear yet the minute that the individual alongside me began talking, I observed their voice to be misshaped and hard to get it. Some of the time I could even hear individuals at the following table talking far superior than the individual sitting beside me. It was practically similar to the portable amplifiers had chosen to concentrate their preparing power on the loudest winning sound and were treating the voices of the general population beside me as undesirable commotion. This wasn't just limited to uproarious eateries. The other situation that made me insane had a tendency to occur at the workplace amid gatherings. I would commonly be in an extensive meeting room with 5-10 individuals and all was flawless until the point that the aerating and cooling framework chosen to chill the room off. The minute the fan turned on, the Smart IXs would by one means or another attention on the fan clamor and the voices of the general population talking in the meeting would begin to misshape or potentially be hard to get it. I would take a stab at exchanging projects and turning up the pick up utilizing the remote yet it didn't generally offer assistance. Kinda makes you begin to think about whether there was a product mistake in the code that was advising the listening devices to do the wrong thing. My audiologist had an alternate hypothesis. He felt that Phonak's way to deal with clamor lessening was to remove bring down recurrence sounds when the commotion levels hit a specific point. I figure the hypothesis is that most undesirable clamor has a tendency to be in the lower recurrence go and that by removing lower recurrence sounds, you make voices less demanding to listen. Whatever the case may be....I found that the amplifiers truly tumbled down in boisterous situations. As I've said some time recently, listening devices that can't manage loud conditions like eateries are truly a misuse of cash.

Lets all keep a watch out if Phonak has tended to this issue with the redesigned Spice adaptations. On the off chance that they have figured out how to settle the discourse in clamor issue...these helps would absolutely be at the highest priority on my rundown. It would likewise be decent if Phonak possessed up to the lacks in the first form and offered to overhaul current proprietors for no charge.

I will post more on Tuesday after I get fitted.

JordanK.

davidbarry Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Have you taken a stab at obstructing the vents in the ear molds. I had a similar issue with my Micropowers. When I increased the volume the clearness and commotion scratching off deteriorated. At that point I decreased the measure of the vents and found the propelled highlights returned. My supposition is the processors are overwhelmed by blocking criticism. I likewise have Spices on arrange and will report their execution when I have had an opportunity to put them through the paces.

How would you hinder the vents? Also, in the event that you do that, don't you feel impeded and obstruct in.

It is safe to say that you are utilizing Smart IXs now? Not certain what a Micropower is. Anticipate your input on the Spices. How about we all be aware of not escaping with early buildup on another HA. With the Smart IXs about a year back, everybody was concentrating on all the new components and direct zoom and remote, and so forth., yet little consideration was paid to real hearing quality. Which for me, and the vast majority who have talked up on this discussion, has been very poor - particularly for awesome HAs.

Stratuscom Originally Posted by davidbarry

I keep on finding the Smart IXs not compelling in louder situations,

Have you had a go at hindering the vents in the ear molds. I had a similar issue with my Micropowers. When I increased the volume the lucidity and commotion wiping out deteriorated. At that point I decreased the span of the vents and found the propelled highlights returned. My suspicion is the processors are overcome with blocking criticism. I likewise have Spices on arrange and will report their execution when I have had an opportunity to put them through the paces.

davidbarry Originally Posted by JordanK

My Audiologist called me yesterday to book an arrangement for this Tuesday morning. He requested me a couple of the new Audeo S Smart IXs with the new Spice chip and components and they at long last appeared. I've been trying the Resound Alera 9s throughout the previous couple of months and I'm anticipating doing a no holds barred correlation of the Aleras and the new Smarts.

I've invested some energy exploring the Audeo S writing and I think the most important Spice updates are StereoZoom and AutoZoom. Phonak claims that these elements do favor things with the receivers to enhance voice cognizance is exceptionally uproarious situations by 2-4 dB. My greatest objection with the first Smart IXs was they truly had issues in uproarious spots like eateries. In the event that they have at long last fathomed this problem...the portable hearing assistants may at present be worth considering. I should state that I am truly content with the Alera 9s so the new Smart IXs would need to be strikingly better for me to surrender the remote elements of the Alera 9s.

We might see. I will post a refresh one week from now with my underlying contemplations.

JordanK.

Hey JordanK,

I've been following your strings, specifically your satisfaction with the Alera 9s. I've been wearing the Phonak Audeo Smart IXs for around 9 months I'm as yet despondent and I've had a go at everything. I twice sent the HAs back to Phonak and they essentially remade them, I've utilized the tulip vaults, I at first had control collectors which my new audi says wasn't right and now supplanted them with the normal beneficiaries and made custom molds. Like you stated, I keep on finding the Smart IXs not compelling in louder situations, even yesterday in an open range that was covered and not very noisy I was experiencing difficulty hearing my companions talking over the table from me. An evening or two ago in an eatery, again not swarmed, and missed around 25% of what my better half was stating. What's more, she was appropriate by me!!

What's more, I keep on having the tinny sound with the voices and a marginally suppressed sound.

I've been thinking about trialing those Aleras, however cost is a major issue with me. My medical coverage arrange paid for a decent piece of those Smart IXs which is the reason I got them figuring they were "awesome" as everyone was stating and that I simply needed them balanced right and they will work incredible. Yet, they never have. Honestly: my in the canel Oticon Synchros from 5 years back work pretty much too.

So I'm interested to hear what you involvement with the new Spice chip on the Phonaks.

Best,

David

hook-up Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Anticipating finding out about your encounters with the Phonak Spice helps. I am quietly holding up to see whether this model comes to Australia and in the event that it does to attempt them. It would be ideal if you keep us educated.

My Audi let me know their is a discharge from Phonak on the 12 Nov in Au

He didnt say what thou

in any case, I'm taking it's the Ambra

SuJaDon Originally Posted by JordanK

My Audiologist called me yesterday to book an arrangement for this Tuesday morning. He requested me a couple of the new Audeo S Smart IXs with the new Spice chip and components and they at long last appeared. I've been trying the Resound Alera 9s throughout the previous couple of months and I'm anticipating doing a no holds barred correlation of the Aleras and the new Smarts.

I've invested some energy evaluating the Audeo S writing and I think the most significant Spice overhauls are StereoZoom and AutoZoom. Phonak claims that these components do favor things with the amplifiers to enhance voice understanding is exceptionally boisterous situations by 2-4 dB. My greatest dissension with the first Smart IXs was they truly had issues in loud places like eateries. In the event that they have at long last illuminated this problem...the amplifiers may in any case be worth considering. I should state that I am truly content with the Alera 9s so the new Smart IXs would need to be surprisingly better for me to surrender the remote components of the Alera 9s.

We should see. I will post a refresh one week from now with my underlying musings.

JordanK.

Anticipating finding out about your encounters with the Phonak Spice helps. I am persistently holding up to see whether this model comes to Australia and in the event that it does to attempt them. If it's not too much trouble keep us educated.

cnicklo Jordan,

A debt of gratitude is in order for your proceeded with posts on this board. Your point by point and target reviews of the Alera have been exceptionally useful.

Anticipating hearing how the new Phonak's look at.

Chris

JordanK My Audiologist called me yesterday to book an arrangement for this Tuesday morning. He requested me a couple of the new Audeo S Smart IXs with the new Spice chip and components and they at long last appeared. I've been trying the Resound Alera 9s throughout the previous couple of months and I'm anticipating doing a straight on examination of the Aleras and the new Smarts.

I've invested some energy auditing the Audeo S writing and I think the most important Spice overhauls are StereoZoom and AutoZoom. Phonak claims that these elements do favor things with the receivers to enhance voice appreciation is extremely loud situations by 2-4 dB. My greatest grievance with the first Smart IXs was they truly had issues in uproarious spots like eateries. On the off chance that they have at long last understood this problem...the portable hearing assistants may even now be worth considering. I should state that I am truly content with the Alera 9s so the new Smart IXs would need to be amazingly better for me to surrender the remote elements of the Alera 9s.

We might see. I will post a refresh one week from now with my underlying contemplations.

JordanK.

EnglishDispenser And the most exceedingly terrible piece of all is that it is excessively costly for about the greater part of my current customers.....

Precarious issue.

I have marked down the before Audeo YES IX costs in the past ... yet, the fitting time I'll have to contribute with these new models implies that substantial marking down is currently not feasible.

Actually, if clients discover a discounter of these guides they would be advised to ensure that they will get a FULL IN-DEPTH fitting! On the off chance that you are fitted with a top-end help and are NOT offered a remote control ... "This guide is completely programmed sir/madam." ... at that point possibly you are as a rule duped!

Concerning the Audeo remarks - it is/was a fine guide ... particularly the YES IX variations.

Um bongo Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Any thought on the amount they are?

Whatever you are probably going to be charged by your present audiologist in their "excellent" class in addition to more.

It won't get marked down much, in any event at first, just in light of the fact that it has a USP over whatever remains of what's out there.

SuJaDon [

Also, the most exceedingly terrible piece of all is that it is excessively costly for almost the greater part of my current customers......[/QUOTE]

Any thought on the amount they are?

Stratuscom I welcome the audiologists who have advanced their suppositions on the new Spice. Whatever the last assurance is on the Spice, at any rate we comprehend what makes them distinctive. Something that is difficult to gather from the leaflets and public statements. I anticipate giving them a trial.

Um bongo Look, it's not some post workshop feel-good thing. On the off chance that they were poop, l'd be mocking them as much as anybody out there.

The motivation behind why it's an outlook change for us is that it powers both guides to be considered as a major aspect of a portable amplifier 'framework'. In the UK, the familiar way of thinking, because of the extensive number of NHS fittings, is that one listening device is sufficient to get by. Presently as we as a whole know there are clear clincal benefits in fitting two. However this framework will "just" work under binaural conditions, implying that the point of reference to get full usefulness is set up on the premise of two collaborating soundfield designs. The impact of the stereozoom in subtracting the unessential sounds is very stamped and has been a long-standing point of the business since the advancement of various mic stages in pillar shaped exhibits (like the Starkey gadget that Lou Ferrigno trialed).

As far as what it does, you are taking a gander at somewhat of a "Concorde" minute, it may escape by future advancement, life span or down to earth issues, however in reasonableness to Phonak, they put it out there first.

Also, the most noticeably bad piece of all is that it is excessively costly for almost the greater part of my current customers......

Listener Not each audi introduce in this gathering is excited about new Spice. Furthermore, I would go along with them...

vilchur Originally Posted by mstrmac

The reps reaction is like the reactions of the specialists on this board.

I would concur with this. With much regard to the specialists on this board, as they are a wellspring of fantastic data, maybe they are excessively near all the hoopla. It appears when another guide turns out with new guarantees everybody hops on the fleeting trend. So when I read such overstatement, for example, "they've broken the heavenly chalice", my wariness takes off. The Spice arrangement may well end up being a fine guide, however how about we keep up some objectivity. The Audeo arrangement enlivened comparative responses, and as the months passed, clients announced back Audeo's lacks, as with different guides. The Spice arrangement will demonstrate it's worth when genuine clients report back to this board, until the point when then it appears to be more similar to containers coming back from traditions hypnotized by the buildup.

mstrmac Originally Posted by xbulder

Goodness the adored reps, I review from another organization "we have open the nano innovation", "Our instruments are multicore instruments they made 20,000 estimations for each seconds", "it is confirm based and it is best in class". We as a whole recollect such proclamations yet when we inquire

the points of interest on how this will assist customers/patients never found a straight solutions.

I believe my kindred discussion individuals...

The reps reaction is like the reactions of the specialists on this board.

xbulder Originally Posted by mstrmac

The North American reps were in Chicago this week for gatherings about new items and so forth as indicated by my Audi. His Rep says the Spice HI's are astounding.

Goodness the darling reps, I review from another organization "we have open the nano innovation", "Our instruments are multicore instruments they made 20,000 computations for every seconds", "it is prove based and it is best in class". We as a whole recollect such proclamations however when we inquire

the points of interest on how this will assist customers/patients never found a straight solutions.

I believe my kindred discussion individuals...

xbulder Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

As Um Bongo said before there is a drawback ... the Spice client will require a ton of instructing - and heaps of training - concerning ideal remote control utilize.

I likewise speculate that a reasonable extent of allocators won't have the capacity to fit this item appropriately.

On the off chance that this is truly the case, it will be fate. They got the chance to figure out how to place it in an auto mode...

EnglishDispenser As Um Bongo said before there is a drawback ... the Spice client will require a great deal of instructing - and heaps of training - concerning ideal remote control utilize.

I likewise presume that a reasonable extent of allocators won't have the capacity to fit this item appropriately.

Um bongo Originally Posted by scififan

I'll tell you what I consider them in fourteen days. My audi has fit one sets as of now and he said the patient was astounded at the StereoZoom.

That is truly not a pitch it is possible that, it is strikingly great.

scififan I'll tell you what I consider them in half a month. My audi has fit one sets as of now and he said the patient was flabbergasted at the StereoZoom.

xbulder Originally Posted by mstrmac

The North American reps were in Chicago this week for gatherings about new items and so on as per my Audi. His Rep says the Spice HI's are astonishing.

the rep could never say its poo... I take the word from Um bongo, Zonor and english allocator *and alternate audis - here in that the instrument is great.

mstrmac The North American reps were in Chicago this week for gatherings about new items and so on as per my Audi. His Rep says the Spice HI's are astonishing.

scififan My audi has requested me a couple of the Audeo Smart S IX's and I backpedal in two weeks for a fitting. He had recently gotten the new Target programming and needed to have some an opportunity to get used to the new interface before fitting me. I'm truly anticipating seeing what they can do!

jwittenmyer Thanks, Stratuscom. Great data!

Stratuscom I called Phonak U.S. today and they said the Ambra and the Audeo S are accessible for arrange in the United States. Preparing is being setup now for audiologists.

I additionally inquired as to whether the iCom was getting a redesigned. They said it was overhauled when the TV Link turned out and there are no present arrangements for another redesign. Any individual who has an old iCom can have the update introduced when acquired for a repair.

EnglishDispenser The instrument is fate if the customer needs to spin through the projects to make it work.

The jury still out......

Apologies, no it's most certainly not.

Attempt the new Phonaks ... your questions will vanish.

Additionally: the UK is the dispatch nation so different nations may dispatch fairly later.

xbulder Originally Posted by Um bongo

It would appear that my underlying declaration was exact. They've broken a 'heavenly chalice' of amplifier advancement. Try not to remove anything from it, it's a major stride foward. Just concern would be having a customer who will click away at the projects until the point that they locate the right zoom for the circumstance they are in.

Try not to be down on it since it's not an Oticon, here and there you need to recognize real acheivement notwithstanding when it occurs against your image/group/organization.

The instrument is fate if the customer needs to spin through the projects to make it work.

The jury still out......

Um bongo Originally Posted by xbulder

Deferentially deviate Phonak didnot have remote sincronization in their guides and now they say they can utilize a variety of 4 amplifiers which can change the width of the directional mic (is truly another favor depiction of remote match up). So truly they are

Not by any stretch of the imagination offering anything new or progressive. Siemens and Oticon has been doing this 3yrs back. To me, it appears they didn't have another excellent instrument and they have toss this in the middle. Their product is without a doubt unrivaled, they are on to something.

Be that as it may, from the components perspective this instrument disillusions truly.

Initially Posted by Um bongo

Make a stride back here, IF the Spice framework is fit for conveying clamor lessened discourse crosswise over BOTH ears utilizing cross head pillar shaping, at that point it is progressive, as second and third request directionality hugely upgrades the flag to commotion proportion.

In the event that the framework just gets both mics working a similar plot in the meantime I concur with you.

It would appear that my underlying attestation was precise. They've broken a 'sacred chalice' of amplifier improvement. Try not to remove anything from it, it's a major stride foward. Just concern would be having a customer who will click away at the projects until the point when they locate the right zoom for the circumstance they are in.

Try not to be down on it since it's not an Oticon, now and then you need to recognize bona fide acheivement notwithstanding when it occurs against your image/group/organization.

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

I had a meeting with my Audie yesterday and she did advise me that the new Phonak Aids were expected for discharge in Australia on twelfth November however she said that she had been informed that nobody knew at Phonak whether the Ambra was notwithstanding coming to Australia - does this bode well?

All the new gadgets inclyding the Ambra are being propelled in AU on the twelfth. I asked them at first more than 1 month prior and it was affirmed. Possibly your aud wasn't asking the ideal individuals or the correct inquiries?

SuJaDon I had a meeting with my Audie yesterday and she did illuminate me that the new Phonak Aids were expected for discharge in Australia on twelfth November however she said that she had been informed that nobody knew at Phonak whether the Ambra was notwithstanding coming to Australia - does this bode well?

Kadougan Originally Posted by xbulder

Deferentially deviate Phonak didnot have remote sincronization in their guides and now they say they can utilize a variety of 4 amplifiers which can change the width of the directional mic (is truly another favor depiction of remote synchronize). So truly they are

Not by any means offering anything new or progressive. Siemens and Oticon has been doing this 3yrs back. To me, it appears they didn't have another top notch instrument and they have toss this in the middle. Their product is to be sure predominant, they are on to something.

In any case, from the components perspective this instrument disillusions truly.

You appear to be on somewhat of a warpath. I made no specify of anything progressive and just utilized the term new to depict their new stage (which it is). No specify of remote syncronization or any remark about Oticon was made in my post (aside from what I cited from the other publication).

tnleafer I am around 10 days into a demo of the Exelia Art, and I got a call from my audi offering an opportunity to demo the Ambra.

She said I ought to have them one week from now. I didn't think they would be in the states so soon.

xbulder Originally Posted by tboy

Doesn't Starkey have a HA that has a discourse improvement highlight, i trust its called "IQ" that would be like the Phonak

Unitron calls it discourse upgrade..

SuJaDon Hearnow - Thanks for that data. I will talk about it with my Audie today.

Stratuscom The Phonak rep is demoing the Spice listening devices to my audiologist one week from now. I will put in a request for the new guides when Phonak will take it. I will tell you when that is.

alpine1 Canal Receiver Technology.=A speaker snared to a wire that sits in the ear trench.

Initially Posted by bhcva

What is the significance of CRT in the Sonova introduction?

bhcva What is the significance of CRT in the Sonova introduction?

jwittenmyer I discovered this Phonak introduction from EUHA on the web. It's dated October 13. http://www.sonova.com/Presentations/...3_Internet.pdf

I don't know whether anybody has seen this yet, yet it clarifies a ton of the new components superior to anything different things I've perused. One thing I'm as yet hazy on however is the distinction amongst Ambra and Audeo S. From the diagrams, it would appear that the Audeo S IX-arrangement has the majority of the new elements that the Ambra has including Stereo Zoom, Auto-Zoom Control, and Flex Control. So is the Ambra recently bigger and all the more intense for individuals with a more extreme hearing misfortune?

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

Hearnow - Did you get any sign with reference to when they possibly accessible in Australia. I continue got notification from my Audie that they may not come to Australia.

Phonak AU conveyed welcomes for the dispatch beginning 12 November weeks prior, so perhaps your aud doesn't read their mail? They can clearly arrange from the twelfth.

hearnow Originally Posted by tboy

Doesn't Starkey have a HA that has a discourse upgrade highlight, i trust its called "IQ" that would be like the Phonak

There's no similarity between voice IQ and beamforming by any stretch of the imagination. Voice IQ is simply sylabic commotion decrease the extent that I can tell. Others have been doing it for quite a long time

Um bongo Originally Posted by tboy

Doesn't Starkey have a HA that has a discourse improvement include, i trust its called "IQ" that would be like the Phonak

Hi,

The beamformed directionality is far ahead of time of what you can get on whatever other guide. Legitimate binaural portable hearing assistants have been conceivable in the lab for quite a while, however we've not seen constant exchange of signs from ear to ear as of not long ago, because of the information rate necessities from low power gadgets.

I expect somebody extremely smart has composed a codec to examine the distinction between the approaching signs from both guides regarding heading, plentifulness and recurrence. This at that point pulls just the differential information from either side which gets added to the restricting ear. The reason it's smart is that you don't have to transmit the entire of the approaching sign over the head, only the contrasts amongst right and left, which requires far less exertion.

hearnow Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Hearnow,

Did the Phonak rep happen to say anything around a move up to the iCom?

No change to icom

hearnow Originally Posted by TerryB

Presently on the off chance that I could just by a REAL combine of x-beam glasses.

Also, a genuine telephone stall for changing into my tights.

TerryB

Truly, this makes me wish I wasn't going to be given a couple of Core Audeo Smart IXs one week from now.

The aud has around 60 days to trade it for the new model, so inquire.

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

Did you wager them an euro in the matter of whether they would get sued when some person gets hit by a transport...

Like I said over, it's an outlook change. Accessibility more remote down the models or exactly at the top level?

Ha.

For the time being, best level just however V gets ultrazoom, soundrelax & Zoomcontrol.

SuJaDon Hearnow - Did you get any sign with reference to when they perhaps accessible in Australia. I continue got notification from my Audie that they may not come to Australia.

tboy Doesn't Starkey have a HA that has a discourse upgrade include, i trust its called "IQ" that would be like the Phonak

Stratuscom Originally Posted by hearnow

Obviously this item has not been propelled in your zones yet. I went to the EUHA and the SPICE dispatch and can reveal to you it is progressive. It doesn't just adjust the two guide's directionality however utilizes 4 mic beamforming utilizing remote datatransfer to enhance SNR by another 3db. So genuine 4 mic beamforming, which absolutely remarkable today. Added to this are a few other new components and a highly enhanced soundflow and programmed voice following in Auto Zoomcontrol. I'd say different makers may be deserted path with this discharge.

Hearnow,

Did the Phonak rep happen to specify anything around a move up to the iCom?

TerryB Now in the event that I could just by a REAL match of x-beam glasses.

Also, a genuine telephone corner for changing into my tights.

TerryB

Truly, this makes me wish I wasn't going to be given a couple of Core Audeo Smart IXs one week from now.

xbulder Originally Posted by hearnow

No, HE had a solid Danish articulation with great order of the English dialect.

Concerning Phonak beamforming, they'velimited it to a manual program as it is amazingly forceful and has an exceptionally limit bar, litterally picking a solitary speaker from a group. The ordinary directionality has likewise been enhanced by 1db SNR utilizing another directional based clamor diminishment calculation. They demo'd live instruments on the exceptionally loud show floor and the impact was stunning. No other producer challenged utilize live instruments for anything separated from demonstrating sound gushing.

Manual program sucks, still got the chance to tune in to their introduction to give a last

say on this one. I would believe our contribuitors here and trust as an industry we are

moving foward

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

No, HE had a solid Danish inflection with great charge of the English dialect.

With respect to Phonak beamforming, they'velimited it to a manual program as it is to a great degree forceful and has an exceptionally limit shaft, litterally picking a solitary speaker from a group. The typical directionality has likewise been enhanced by 1db SNR utilizing another directional based clamor decrease calculation. They demo'd live instruments on the exceptionally uproarious show floor and the impact was astonishing. No other producer challenged utilize live instruments for anything separated from indicating sound gushing.

Did you wager them an euro with respect to whether they would get sued when some person gets hit by a transport...

Like I said over, it's an outlook change. Accessibility more distant down the models or exactly at the top level?

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

Wasn't from the southern half of the globe too would she say she was?

No, HE had a solid Danish pronunciation with great charge of the English dialect.

With respect to Phonak beamforming, they'velimited it to a manual program as it is to a great degree forceful and has an extremely limit bar, litterally picking a solitary speaker from a group. The ordinary directionality has likewise been enhanced by 1db SNR utilizing another directional based clamor lessening calculation. They demo'd live instruments on the extremely loud show floor and the impact was astonishing. No other maker challenged utilize live instruments for anything separated from indicating sound spilling.

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

Contrast this with the "actualities" an Oticon headoffice aud attempted to nourish me at EUHA guaranteeing split directionality offered 8db SNR change over omni in the Vigo substitution. With proclamation, for example, those I can just accept they are affraid.

Wasn't from the southern side of the equator too would she say she was?

Apologies, just observed the alter now. You could be ideal about them attempting to up their figures, they seem like they are bricking it.

hearnow Originally Posted by Um bongo

This is basic. That is 30% in acknowledgment terms - when the vast majority of alternate producers are asserting incremental increments of 0.1/0.2 dB are critical.

This resembles a more critical outlook change than bluetooth IMHO.

Contrast this with the "actualities" an Oticon headoffice aud attempted to encourage me at EUHA guaranteeing split directionality offered 8db SNR change over omni in the Vigo substitution. He went further to state each 1db SNR change = 20 to 30% discourse discrim in clamor change. With explanation, for example, those I can just accept they are affraid. I was so stunned I basically left.

Um bongo Originally Posted by hearnow

Obviously this item has not been propelled in your territories yet. I went to the EUHA and the SPICE dispatch and can reveal to you it is progressive. It doesn't just match up the two guide's directionality however utilizes 4 mic beamforming utilizing remote datatransfer to enhance SNR by another 3db. So genuine 4 mic beamforming, which absolutely exceptional today. Added to this are a few other new elements and in addition a highly enhanced soundflow and programmed voice following in Auto Zoomcontrol. I'd say different makers may be abandoned path with this discharge.

This is basic. That is 30% in acknowledgment terms - when the majority of alternate producers are asserting incremental increments of 0.1/0.2 dB are noteworthy.

This resembles a more critical outlook change than bluetooth IMHO.

Um bongo Originally Posted by xbulder

we would need to see points of interest at that point to put forth a last expression. Sick be sitting tight for their introduction to give a last supposition. Lets trust they increase current standards

You'll need to begin offering Phonaks at that point

From the above, it would seem that tremendous jump forward.

xbulder Originally Posted by hearnow

Plainly this item has not been propelled in your territories yet. I went to the EUHA and the SPICE dispatch and can disclose to you it is progressive. It doesn't just adjust the two guide's directionality however utilizes 4 mic beamforming utilizing remote datatransfer to enhance SNR by another 3db. So genuine 4 mic beamforming, which absolutely one of a kind today. Added to this are a few other new components and in addition a quite enhanced soundflow and programmed voice following in Auto Zoomcontrol. I'd say different makers may be abandoned path with this discharge.

we would need to see points of interest at that point to put forth a last expression. Sick be sitting tight for their introduction to give a last feeling. Lets trust they increase current standards

hearnow Clearly this item has not been propelled in your ranges yet. I went to the EUHA and the SPICE dispatch and can disclose to you it is progressive. It doesn't just adjust the two guide's directionality however utilizes 4 mic beamforming utilizing remote datatransfer to enhance SNR by another 3db. So genuine 4 mic beamforming, which absolutely one of a kind today. Added to this are a few other new elements and in addition a quite enhanced soundflow and programmed voice following in Auto Zoomcontrol. I'd say different producers may be deserted path with this discharge.

Um bongo Originally Posted by xbulder

Consciously dissent Phonak didnot have remote sincronization in their guides and now they say they can utilize a variety of 4 receivers which can change the width of the directional mic (is truly another favor depiction of remote match up). So truly they are

Not by any stretch of the imagination offering anything new or progressive. Siemens and Oticon has been doing this 3yrs prior. To me, it appears they didn't have another top notch instrument and they have toss this in the middle. Their product is for sure predominant, they are on to something.

However, from the components perspective this instrument frustrates truly.

Make a stride back here, IF the Spice framework is fit for conveying clamor diminished discourse crosswise over BOTH ears utilizing cross head bar shaping, at that point it is progressive, as second and third request directionality greatly upgrades the flag to commotion proportion.

In the event that the framework just gets both mics working a similar plot in the meantime I concur with you.

xbulder Originally Posted by Kadougan

@Sonor/Zildjian: For the distinction amongst Phonak and Oticon...they are big....audiologically and in application...but both are at the same level...and before every other person!

This must be drummer-talk I don't comprehend what you're getting at.

My assessment is that while the new phonak line doesn't appear to offer a lot of prompt changes it is very noteworthy that they have turned out with another line inside 1 year or so of discharging the first Audeo Smart. As phonak normally does they will keep on developing new items utilizing the new stage through the span of the following couple of years and we should see some more changes/highlights included. I'm likewise trusting that the new stage incorporates some capacity for firmware/programming updates later on. The entire "Application" promoting strategy persuades that there may come a period when customers buy overhauls (or applications) as they are accessible. Would be preferable in some courses over buying new guides everytime something new is discharged.

Deferentially dissent Phonak didnot have remote sincronization in their guides and now they say they can utilize a variety of 4 mouthpieces which can change the width of the directional mic (is truly another favor depiction of remote adjust). So truly they are

Not by any means offering anything new or progressive. Siemens and Oticon has been doing this 3yrs back. To me, it appears they didn't have another excellent instrument and they have toss this in the middle. Their product is in reality prevalent, they are on to something.

In any case, from the elements perspective this instrument disillusions truly.

Um bongo Originally Posted by adrien24

I trust this happens to be the situation. From one perspective, I question Phonak would need clients to do this since then they wouldn't be purchasing the new amplifier instruments (in spite of the fact that the recipients themselves are several dollars each); yet it makes me think about whether such a fit may be conceivable since the photographs do indicate indistinguishable (or appear to appear) items. Who recognizes what's conceivable. I'm sitting tight for the US dispatch as it doesn't appear to have totally propelled yet (you don't see say of the new items on the US site right now). Yet, I REALLY trust the Super Power recipients turns into a possibility for Audeo YES IX instruments!

This isn't an attachment, - we offer recipients for about $50 - however is that valuing precise?

Stratuscom The Phonak site now demonstrates the Spice product offering for some European nations like Sweden, Germany and Canada; notwithstanding, not the U.S.A. or, on the other hand U.K. Today Phonak has additionally begun web based preparing for audiologists on Spice and related extras.

adrien24 Originally Posted by yousaidwhat

Would it be conceivable to fit this new 'super power recipient' to the audeo yes IX models, the packaging is indistinguishable?

I trust this happens to be the situation. From one perspective, I question Phonak would need clients to do this since then they wouldn't be purchasing the new portable amplifier instruments (despite the fact that the recipients themselves are several dollars each); however it makes me think about whether such a fit may be conceivable since the photographs do demonstrate indistinguishable (or appear to appear) items. Who comprehends what's conceivable. I'm sitting tight for the US dispatch as it doesn't appear to have totally propelled yet (you don't see say of the new items on the US site right now). In any case, I REALLY trust the Super Power recipients turns into a possibility for Audeo YES IX instruments!

Kadougan @Sonor/Zildjian: For the contrast amongst Phonak and Oticon...they are big....audiologically and in application...but both are at the same level...and before every other person!

This must be drummer-talk I don't comprehend what you're getting at.

My feeling is that while the new phonak line doesn't appear to offer a lot of quick enhancements it is very great that they have turned out with another line inside 1 year or so of discharging the first Audeo Smart. As phonak for the most part does they will keep on developing new items utilizing the new stage throughout the following couple of years and we should see some more changes/highlights included. I'm additionally trusting that the new stage incorporates some capacity for firmware/programming overhauls later on. The entire "Application" promoting strategy persuades that there may come a period when customers buy updates (or applications) as they are accessible. Would be preferable in some courses over buying new guides everytime something new is discharged.

Kadougan Originally Posted by xbulder

just the same old thing new... this is the same as the miniaturized scale control right?

the oticon control speaker do fit significantly more...

No not the same as micropower, they now have 3 beneficiary choices, standard, power and super power. The micropower utilized the power recipient. Power collector was 55/126. Super Power is 61/129. These numbers are for the Audeo S Smart, it appears to shift somewhat depending which item the recipient is appended to.

aero777 Phonak Ambra and Audeo S IX as of now available to be purchased on eBay, beginning offer $5299 a couple. I generally thought Phonak obliged up close and personal fitting marked down of new hearig helps.

russiandeaf Originally Posted by xbulder

Im exceptionally disillusioned that they didn't offer an answer like GN. Which has set the new standart for others to take after. Phonak have more cash and a bigger number of assets than GN.

Okay, I am baffled as well. What's more, pilotOne is excessively basic for new stage.

WayneK The Alera telephone frill resembles a Motorola or Jabra embellishment that contains the receiver and answer catch. Telephone sound goes to both listening devices. This frill clasps to your shirt.

IRV FENTON Any thought what the recurrence of the zoom interface fm is? I trust it's 10.6 from the icom to the portable amplifiers, however don't comprehend what the zoomlink is.

Frank72 I am astonished that huge numbers of you are so certain about Alera. Yes you don't have to wear a streamer around the neck to sit in front of the television yet despite everything you require an extra for the telephone and the two listening devices are not associated with each other like with the Agil or the Ambra.

sonor/zildjian Spice is just the new chipset. The guides are Ambra and Audeo S(pice)...

allowingtoo Hmmm. The Phonak Professional page for BTE takes me to AMBRA. The remote for that is likewise PilotOne. Is this the same as the Spice?http://www.phonak.com/com/b2b/en/pro.../overview.html

sonor/zildjian @Stratuscom Ambra will supplanting Exeli

xbulder Originally Posted by Kyaniet

I have the Exelia Art BTE for trial. One week from now I'll have a meeting with my audi and I completely need to attempt ambra.

I have two inquiries:

1) With ambra I have the decision amongst BTE and ITE/C since all models are accessible as power helps. I'm considering requesting 312 uz or 13 uz yet numerous specialists say it's ideal to have bte. What's your feeling? I've never experienced any difficulty with the BTE's and frequently perused that ITE helps require more repairments. The main thing I don't care for BTE is the commotion of the wind. Will the 312/13 uz experience the ill effects of wind commotion?

2) Some of you appear to be baffled about Ambra. Wich item is more complex, Oticon Agil (star) of Phonak Ambra? (My audi cautioned me some time back that I presumably wouldn't care for the Oticon sound since I'm utilized to Phonak.

To be reasonable, Ambra does not appear to be progressive. Be that as it may, I get a kick out of the chance to sit and tune in to the

phonak story. Im extremely baffled that they didn't offer an answer like GN. Which has set the new standart for others to take after. Phonak have more cash and a greater number of assets than GN. What I like about Agil is the audiological idea which appears to bode well. Truly Phonak and Oticon do have distinctive approach to deal with automatics so their sound is entirely unexpected. I would attempt them both...

xbulder Originally Posted by aero777

xbulder is totally right. Much of the time, the HA produces are falling all finished themselves attempting to seem to have some sort of new advancement. In any case, more essentially, I’m beyond any doubt xbulder wears shorts.

Got that privilege Aero. Xbulder is a fat buddy - with glasses-that wears shorts and embarrassments all the time.... That is the manner by which we do it in MIA... Jaaaaa

Truly, When vigo was discharged the message was MORE everything-so if another mid value arrangement is to supplant Vigo with practically indistinguishable components.. Alright maybe another shape consider as well as situ audiogram and maybe 1 or 2 more channels.

It is truly nothing more that a truly minor refresh... We need more elements at a similar cost right? Moore law?

Kyaniet I have the Exelia Art BTE for trial. One week from now I'll have a meeting with my audi and I authoritatively need to attempt ambra.

I have two inquiries:

1) With ambra I have the decision amongst BTE and ITE/C since all models are accessible as power helps. I'm considering requesting 312 uz or 13 uz yet numerous specialists say it's ideal to have bte. What's your supposition? I've never experienced any difficulty with the BTE's and frequently perused that ITE helps require more repairments. The main thing I don't care for BTE is the clamor of the wind. Will the 312/13 uz experience the ill effects of wind commotion?

2) Some of you appear to be frustrated about Ambra. Wich item is more complex, Oticon Agil (genius) of Phonak Ambra? (My audi cautioned me some time prior that I most likely wouldn't care for the Oticon sound since I'm utilized to Phonak.

Stratuscom Anybody willing to wander an informed figure on what the valuing will be for the new Spice units?

aero777 Originally Posted by Um bongo

Did the Phonak rep set fire to your pants or something?

I'd be genuinely intrigued in the event that they are very brave time bar framing included. In reply to the past blurb on here, the duophone isn't exactly there as the handling/transmission delay doesn't make a difference so much when you don't see the lips of the individual talking. Present a 70 or 80 usec hole under ordinary conditions however and you'll wind up with more awful discourse comes about because of an unmistakable source.

xbulder is completely right. As a rule, the HA produces are falling all finished themselves attempting to seem to have some kind of new development. However, more essentially, I’m beyond any doubt xbulder wears shorts.

Um bongo Originally Posted by xbulder

I had anticipated "acto" or Forza would not accompany Floating straight pick up. Most likely they will

accompany zero or almost zero changes 2 channels here, audiometer maybe binaural criticism supervisor and the scaled down ceremony.

If so it will be a major disapointment all things considered. isn't that so?

Did the Phonak rep set fire to your pants or something?

I'd be genuinely intrigued on the off chance that they are very brave time shaft framing included. In reply to the past blurb on here, the duophone isn't exactly there as the handling/transmission delay doesn't make a difference so much when you don't see the lips of the individual talking. Present a 70 or 80 usec hole under typical conditions however and you'll wind up with more terrible discourse comes about because of an obvious source.

xbulder Originally Posted by sonor/zildjian

@xbulder:i think oticon forza (acto???) won't be more than "another" vigo with RISE II chip and a few components the new processor offers...like phonak has finished with the audeo family now-new chip; that is it!

@crymeariver: there is nothing such composed on the Phonak site, aside from the information exchange from old to new aid....let's see what target brings...

I had anticipated "acto" or Forza would not accompany Floating straight pick up. Most likely they will

accompany zero or close to zero changes 2 channels here, audiometer maybe binaural criticism administrator and the scaled down ritual.

If so it will be a major disapointment all things considered. isn't that so?

yousaidwhat Would it be conceivable to fit this new 'super power recipient' to the audeo yes IX models, the packaging is indistinguishable?

sonor/zildjian @xbulder:i think oticon forza (acto???) won't be more than "another" vigo with RISE II chip and a few elements the new processor offers...like phonak has finished with the audeo family now-new chip; that is it!

@crymeariver: there is nothing such composed on the Phonak site, with the exception of the information exchange from old to new aid....let's see what target brings...

xbulder Originally Posted by glucas

Hello there Xbuilder,

I discover your antagonism somewhat shocking. The Phonak extend looks quite magnificent to me. They have now effectively consolidated every single fitting reach into the total scope of custom items - CIC/ITC/ITE and they have thought of pivotal calculations for hearing in commotion, and hearing individuals behind.

What more do they have to do ? It would appear that incredible innovation to me. In the event that I had the cash I would purchase a CIC Petite and ITC Ambra and one of the Mini RIC Audeo S extend. Be that as it may, at that point, I don't have £8000 UK pounds save.

While without a doubt We have to tune in and dismember all their showcasing stuff. It is more probable that their 4 amplifier cluster to bar framing is a minor binarual sincronization which is something siemens and Oticon is accomplishing for as far back as 3yrs. I might have want to see from phonak some new audiological ideas to push the bar higher something like Asymetric directionality for instance.

GN has set the bar for others to take after, remote with no requirement for streamers. I might have additionally want to see phonak accomplish something with propel bionics, they are presently ready to

push that bar to an unheard of level.

their product do look great, couple of perfect NEW thoughts like the capacity to move past inclinations in the new instruments or to look @ past audiograms.

Im used to get WOAW from them, and honestly I have not..

glucas Hi Xbuilder,

I discover your pessimism somewhat shocking. The Phonak go looks truly magnificent to me. They have now effectively joined every single fitting reach into the total scope of custom items - CIC/ITC/ITE and they have thought of earth shattering calculations for hearing in commotion, and hearing individuals behind.

What more do they have to do ? It would seem that awesome innovation to me. On the off chance that I had the cash I would purchase a CIC Petite and ITC Ambra and one of the Mini RIC Audeo S extend. Yet, at that point, I don't have

xbulder Originally Posted by sonor/zildjian

It's simply an issue of around 3 weeks... EUHA will bring MANY news from Oticon, Chili, Forza and something other, i've not heard subtle elements but rather it will be something with accessories...let's see.

The "new" components are not evident in correlation of what Oticon presented with Agil, yet as I would like to think they are not "nothing", they quite recently attempted to close the hole to achieve Agil...by the way an uplifting news for a hefty portion of you out there is the Ambra CIC/ITC SuperPower-that is and imperative new product...Oticon has shut the crevice with the CIC Power however now Siemens Nitro have gotten a BIG contender...

Somebody here say something about Oticon ITE control. I will wager cash

Forza will be a vigo + in situ audiogram + Mini ceremony style and possibly maybe a couple things.

I would like to think not if this is so it will be a total disapointment. We have to get more

for a similar estimating not the same with an alternate name.

aero777 Originally Posted by sonor/zildjian

The new flavor helps will be accessible after EUHA (14-sixteenth of october), so Target will be accessible some days before....

Much obliged, I'll continue checking the updater.

CryMeARiver Will you have the capacity to program current guides with Target rather than IPFG?

sonor/zildjian The new flavor helps will be accessible after EUHA (14-sixteenth of october), so Target will be accessible some days before....

aero777 Hi. In the event that anybody has a connection to download Target 1.0, generous PM me. Much appreciated.

sonor/zildjian Originally Posted by Listener

Oticon SpeechGuard will be soon accessible on the full scope of theyr fresher items.

It's simply an issue of around 3 weeks... EUHA will bring MANY news from Oticon, Chili, Forza and something other, i've not heard points of interest but rather it will be something with accessories...let's see.

The "new" components are not evident in examination of what Oticon presented with Agil, however as I would like to think they are not "nothing", they quite recently attempted to close the crevice to achieve Agil...by the way an uplifting news for a large number of you out there is the Ambra CIC/ITC SuperPower-that is and critical new product...Oticon has shut the hole with the CIC Power yet now Siemens Nitro have gotten a BIG contender...

Listener Originally Posted by JordanK

The past models (Phonak Audeo Smart IX) as of now can exchange sounds from one guide to the next. The component is called "Duophone". Fundamentally you hit the catch on the portable amplifier that you are utilizing to chat on the telephone and this listening device transmits a similar contribution to the next listening device so you hear a similar thing in both ears. So this is not another element for the Spice variants.

Precisely. What's more, for telephone as well as for "applications" like ZoomControl. What's more, afresh, Phonak places its "best application" (on SPICE case, "FlexControl") on theyr best listening devices (serie IX) when as You most likely are aware both Starkey IQ and Oticon SpeechGuard are/will be soon accessible on the full scope of theyr more up to date items.

Boh...

Initially Posted by JordanK

I will trial the new Spice item since hearing better is truly what its about. In the event that I can hear better with Phonak's new items, I don't generally mind how/why it functions.

I concur with You, JordanK. However, I was seeking after better premises from Phonak.

mstrmac Originally Posted by mstrmac

My Audi here in PA has officially fitted some as indicated by him.

Adjustment. I am off-base. While talking about the flavor chip by means of email with my audi, it was not clear he implied it was, just that the super power xReceiver is accessible and has fitted numerous with the sp xReceiver.

Too bad

Posted by means of iPhone

JordanK Originally Posted by doubledown

So what I find most intriguing is the way that this guide will exchange sounds from one guide to the next. I think about whether this will get rid of the requirement for a crosslink for those with one hard of hearing ear. So the innovation that uses this is called stereozoom and auto zoomcontrol. However, it doesn't resemble the guides are playing out any handling with the sound that is exchanged between them.

The past models (Phonak Audeo Smart IX) as of now can exchange sounds from one guide to the next. The element is called "Duophone". Fundamentally you hit the catch on the amplifier that you are utilizing to chat on the telephone and this portable hearing assistant transmits a similar contribution to the next listening device with the goal that you hear a similar thing in both ears. So this is not another component for the Spice renditions. They may however have made this innovation up a stride to organize mouthpieces to concentrate on specific sounds and transmit this to both ears....not beyond any doubt.

I'm genuinely starting to imagine that Resound truly stepped forward when they discharged the Alera with a genuine remote arrangement with no neck circles. My audiologist revealed to me a fascinating story with respect to the fizzled merger of Phonak and Resound. He said that the merger should join the best of remote at the time (from Phonak) with the best of sound preparing (from Resound). While merger talks advanced to the last stages, Resound dropped all improvement of their own remote advances suspecting that they would pick up this new innovation from Phonak. As we as a whole know, the merger fizzled and Resound got forgotten exposed to the harsh elements without a remote arrangement. My audiologist feels this constrained Resound to backpedal to the planning phase and build up an all new, most recent era remote ability. It required them a touch of investment however what they wound up with was a stage in front of the opposition. Not certain if this is valid but rather its a fascinating hypothesis particularly when you consider that Resound claims a considerable amount of scholarly capital (i.e. Jabra) in the remote market. Makes sense that remote would be their upper hand.

I will trial the new Spice item since hearing better is truly what its about. On the off chance that I can hear better with Phonak's new items, I don't generally mind how/why it functions. I will state I like my Alera helps and that it will be a hard offer for Phonak if the guides don't perform.

Jordan.

doubledown So what I find most intriguing is the way that this guide will exchange sounds from one guide to the next.

xbulder Now Phonak is replicating Apple in that they utilize the word APPS to depict highlights..

I figure the advertising office is coming up short on thoughts

xbulder Originally Posted by Listener

To be perfectly honest speaking I would concur with Sonor.

Audeo Spice... what a mistake!!! No new algorhythms (only a refinement of genuine ones) no select new applications... what's more, no Second Generation remote! (for what it could be of intrigue)

Oticon presented SpeechGuard, Starkey introduced Otolens, IQ algorhythm and will have soon IRIS remote stage, Resound joined Surround Sound + Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth, Widex will exhibit Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth + ISP2 and so forth and so forth (please revise me in case I'm in off-base)

What's the REAL NEWS in the "Flavor Generation"?

I can not see it.

What a daydream...

I anticipated that would be WOW by Phonak for the most part. In all honesty, I was expecting AT LEAST something like the Alera. I could never expect something like expanded bandwith since Phonak is wagering overwhelming on sound recuperate. I get a kick out of the chance to perceive what truly matters to the new components. It appears to me they are about remote sincronization. The announcement that they utilize 4 receivers with a specific end goal to bar shape - might imply that both instrument sinc to be

in full directional.

For what is justified regardless of, the new programming looks great. The capacity to show a past audiogram is a decent counceling instrument. There are two or three smart thoughts on their new

programming it is a stage up.

I would have additionally gotten a kick out of the chance to see something with Advance Bionics, it is about collaborations. It is time they pool their assets to challenge cochlear

SuJaDon Any thought of valuing anybody?

mstrmac Originally Posted by Listener

To be perfectly honest speaking I would concur with Sonor.

Audeo Spice... what a mistake!!! No new algorhythms (only a refinement of genuine ones) no select new applications... furthermore, no Second Generation remote! (for what it could be of intrigue)

Oticon presented SpeechGuard, Starkey displayed Otolens, IQ algorhythm and will have soon IRIS remote stage, Resound joined Surround Sound + Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth, Widex will exhibit Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth + ISP2 and so on and so forth (please revise me in case I'm in off-base)

What's the REAL NEWS in the "Flavor Generation"?

I can not see it.

What a dream...

Alright, i will give other a chance to dismember your statements in the event that they will. will be fascinating.. I am especially inspired by " no Second Generation remote! Broadened Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth"

To some degree confounded

mstrmac Originally Posted by Stratuscom

Phonak Spice is not endorsed for the U.S. advertise starting at yet, as indicated by my audiologist. The distributer for Phonak disclosed to her the endorsement prerequisites are more stringent in the U.S. than in Europe. Has any other individual heard this or know when it will be accessible here?

My Audi here in PA has effectively fitted some as indicated by him.

Stratuscom Phonak Spice is not affirmed for the U.S. advertise starting at yet, as per my audiologist. The distributer for Phonak disclosed to her the endorsement necessities are more stringent in the U.S. than in Europe. Has any other individual heard this or know when it will be accessible here?

Listener Frankly I would concur with Sonor.

Audeo Spice... what a mistake!!! No new algorhythms (only a refinement of real ones) no restrictive new applications... what's more, no Second Generation remote! (for what it could be of intrigue)

Oticon presented SpeechGuard, Starkey exhibited Otolens, IQ algorhythm and will have soon IRIS remote stage, Resound joined Surround Sound + Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth, Widex will introduce Extended Bandwidth + No Neckloop Bluetooth + ISP2 and so on and so forth (please remedy me in case I'm in off-base)

What's the REAL NEWS in the "Flavor Generation"?

I can not see it.

What a dream...

mstrmac Originally Posted by sonor/zildjian

I was exceptionally dissapointed of the new Audeo S, only another chip and a few components like stereozoom and other binaural intuitive apparatuses like Oticon presented with Agil. The "cool" element is the FlexControl and FlexVolume which is a development of Soundflow. FlexVolume is by all accounts entirely pleasant, as you can utilize it not as direct volume, but rather as recurrence particular volume...let's see what the advantages are...AutoZoomControl tries to find the individual who talks in a room, so it "checks" to discover the voices source...i mean it's paragonable to "my voice" in the Oticon instruments...by the way utilizing the "Application buildup" is an exceptionally cunning promoting strategy....so yes nothing "truly new", with the exception of the chip...

Like Oticon Agil and the New Chili, there are refinements to the fitting extents, Super Power circumspect choices. Important.

sonor/zildjian I was exceptionally dissapointed of the new Audeo S, only another chip and a few components like stereozoom and other binaural intelligent apparatuses like Oticon presented with Agil. The "cool" component is the FlexControl and FlexVolume which is a development of Soundflow. FlexVolume is by all accounts truly pleasant, as you can utilize it not as straight volume, but rather as recurrence particular volume...let's see what the advantages are...AutoZoomControl tries to find the individual who talks in a room, so it "checks" to discover the voices source...i mean it's paragonable to "my voice" in the Oticon instruments...by the way utilizing the "Application buildup" is an extremely shrewd advertising strategy....so yes nothing "truly new", with the exception of the chip...

mstrmac Originally Posted by xbulder

just the same old thing new... this is the same as the smaller scale control right?

the oticon control speaker do fit significantly more...

I've been following Phonak for quite a while. The expansion of a Super Power xReceiver is a change from the power and standard xReceiver just choices, must be a current change.

At any rate i am intrigued how the Phonak Spice chip stacks up to the Oticon Rise chip.

Phonak's New chipset

We are enchanted to present the following period

industry benchmark in microchip innovation.

The new Phonak Spice Generation chipset is

the most developed sound microchip ever:

Speediest preparing speed – more than 200 million

operations every second

Most astounding limit - an uncommon 16 million

transistors

Littlest size – 65 nanometer chip innovation

Biggest memory – more than twofold the

current standard

Best in class remote innovation – speediest, most

stable remote associations

One of a kind broadband, remote genuine sound trade –

still a Phonak restrictive

xbulder The applications as an approach to depict highlights looks exceptionally cool.

I like the new fitting programming, having the capacity to think about past audiograms

is a major in addition to...

xbulder Originally Posted by mstrmac

All things considered, i see that they now have a SuperPower xReceiver choice . Goodness, i will investigate this.http://www.phonakpro.com/com/b2b/en/...o-s-smart.html

just the same old thing new... this is the same as the small scale control right?

the oticon control speaker do fit significantly more...

SuJaDon Me as well - simply printing out all the data and will talk about it with my Audie when I see her in 2 weeks time. She has orchestrated me to trial Unitron Moda however as of now I have chosen to sit back and watch if this model will be coming to Australia.

mstrmac Originally Posted by SuJaDon

I would love to know whether they are appropriate for serious/significant hearing misfortune. I have an arrangement to see my Audie this coming Thursday with a view to supplanting my micropowers. In the event that I knew when they would be accessible in Australia I would hold up to perceive what they resemble.

All things considered, i see that they now have a SuperPower xReceiver alternative . Amazing, i will investigate this.http://www.phonakpro.com/com/b2b/en/...o-s-smart.html

JordanK Can anybody make sense of what the distinction is between the old Audeo Smart IX and the new Audeo S Smart IX. I simply perused the site and it would seem that they have included Stereozoom and Autozonecontrol yet its truly hard to check whether these new models under the "Flavor" flag are truly new models or on the off chance that they are quite recently minor moves up to existing models. The main other new thing that I can check whether a rearranged remote called the "PilotOne". I was kinda trusting that they would get rid of the neck wire on the iCom and bring out something genuinely new however it sorta doesn't appear as though it.

Any remarks??

Jordan.

sonor/zildjian News: Audeo S(pice) is out and Ambra.

sonor/zildjian I can't discover the course I specified above...where is it gone?????

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

They will obviously dispatch at some point in November 2010 in Australia. Any guide from Phonak fitted now will have the capacity to be returned for credit until early December 2010, so you could in any case advantage from another guides promptly and simply change over when the better and brighter one turned out. In any event that is the way I work in my centers.

Well sounds as tho I should visit your Practice - not certain what my Audie will do. Will discover tomorrow. I certainly will sit tight for new ones - would be senseless of me to purchase something that will be refreshed/obsolete in a matter of weeks.

xbulder Originally Posted by hearnow

They will clearly dispatch at some point in November 2010 in Australia. Any guide from Phonak fitted now will have the capacity to be returned for credit until early December 2010, so you could in any case advantage from another guides promptly and simply change over when the better and brighter one turned out. At any rate that is the manner by which I work in my centers.

nice..... extremely pleasant

hearnow Originally Posted by SuJaDon

I would love to know whether they are appropriate for serious/significant hearing misfortune. I have an arrangement to see my Audie this coming Thursday with a view to supplanting my micropowers. On the off chance that I knew when they would be accessible in Australia I would hold up to perceive what they resemble.

They will obviously dispatch at some point in November 2010 in Australia. Any guide from Phonak fitted now will have the capacity to be returned for credit until early December 2010, so you could even now advantage from another guides quickly and simply change over when the better one turned out. At any rate that is the way I work in my centers.

sonor/zildjian So Ambra will e the new top of the line instrument? has somebody tech subtle elements?

so there is currently an: audeo yes, audeo smaller than expected, audeo keen, audeo zip and an audeo s is coming????

Didn't found another name?

SuJaDon Originally Posted by hearnow

It would seem that SPICE is the stage like CORE is the present stage, with 3 models recognized as Audeo S III and V and Ambra.

I would love to know whether they are reasonable for serious/significant hearing misfortune. I have an arrangement to see my Audie this coming Thursday with a view to supplanting my micropowers. On the off chance that I knew when they would be accessible in Australia I would hold up to perceive what they resemble.

hearnow It looks like SPICE is the stage like CORE is the present stage, with 3 models recognized as Audeo S III and V and additionally Ambra.

Stratuscom Here is a connection to Spice on Phonak's site. http://www.phonak.com/com/b2b/en/home.html I couldn't discover this connection on Phonak's landing page.

Stratuscom Audiology Online's CEU course http://www.audiologyonline.com/ceus/...class_id=16837 for Spice specifies the Audeo S.

xbulder Heard something call Audeo S. Is this valid?

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