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Siemens Pure vs. Phonak Audeo - can't decide

2016-05-22 11:15:00 in Signia (Formerly Siemens) by  Tim_Patr
Hey there,

This is my first post here, so please pardon me on the off chance that it appears to be exceptionally gullible. Really, I live in Germany, however the gatherings which I found there don't appear as cordial and extraordinary as this one here seems to be, so perhaps somebody of you can help me (or allude to another area, if that inquiry has as of now been talked about; yet I couldn't discover it).

My audiogram is right now at my audiologist, so I can't post it, yet I realize that when all is said in done it's the higher frecuencies I am absent. I am really 27, yet my specialist revealed to me that my listening ability would be "inside ordinary parameters" if my age was around 50 years more established... alright, so I went to an audiologist here in Germany who is very pleasant and accommodating, sets aside a great deal of opportunity to clarify me everything and gives me a chance to test the guides a little while on the off chance that I need to. Up until this point, I tried two Siemens models and one from Phonak. The Siemens are the new ones which only realeased available; that is Pure Primax 3px and 5px; at this moment I have the Audeo V70 in my ears. He additionally prescribed me to sit tight for the most up to date Oticon model to land at the market (which I comprehended could be in around two weeks as of now?) to test these as well.

In any case, I think I did now enter some sort of situation (one could possibly say "First World Problem"?? I am extremely mindful that my circumstance is not exceptionally dubious, but rather picking ends up being truly troublesome), in light of the fact that there are a few components which I like better about Phonak, while with everything taken into account I thought I favored the Siemens).

Above all else, possibly the slightest critical component, is the plan of the bluetooth gadgets: I like the shading and state of the easyTek much better than the Phonak ComPilot. Since I as a rule were T-Shirts with no catches and so forth, the ComPilot Air wouldn't be a great deal more agreeable, I think, since I don't care for the sentiment having something specifically on my neck. I additionally think the little transmitter is way handier and more exquisite than the TV Link.

Alright, however on to the truly critical elements:

In correlation with the Siemens, I have the inclination that the Phonak discourse handling works better for me. I can hear what individuals are stating regardless of the possibility that they remain behind me or mutter. That is quite recently incredible. Obviously, the Siemens does this exclusive somewhat more regrettable, yet at the same time more awful.

At that point, in any case, some different sounds do truly pester me now. For instance, stirring papers or kitchen instruments. Likewise, some female voices sound now extremely irritating and bumping to me. When I am outside, there are a few sounds which don't sound any normal to me now, and now and again even make me forceful. All things considered, consequently, the Siemens encounter was a great deal more actually and agreeable to me. I additionally like having more control: as splendid and awesome the Auto-program seems to be, I want to click a catch to change amongst "Discourse" and "Music" and so on.

Be that as it may, the Phonak discourse acknowledgment still works just splendidly; particularly in a full prepare, or outside, and so forth.

At that point, there is the thing about the arches. Affirm, I could likely change to ear molds to comprehend this, yet at the same time: I think the Phonaks simply fit better inside my ear, and move less. Then again, I continually feel them, and am constantly mindful of them.

I additionally discovered it way more agreeable to have two catches on each guide at the Siemens than only one on the Phonaks. I won't bear the bluetooth gadgets all around, so this is another favorable position of Siemens. It's slightly less demanding to cut back the volume.

Presently, the issue is: I will be an educator. In this way, discourse appreciation in boisterous classrooms is basic for me. At the present time, I am as of now instructing, however not on an extremely consistent premise. So I couldn't test the Phonak inside the classroom yet. I do anticipate, nonetheless, that they will perform superior to the Siemens, in light of the fact that there are a few understudies which despite everything I couldn't comprehend with these ones the last time I gave class.

In this way, essentially, I need to pick amongst solace and better discourse appreciation. What do you think? Is it worth to pick Phonak and simply bear the high pitched sounds I am seeing, planning to get used to them in a future; or would it be advisable for me to adhere to the Siemens and acknowledge the way that occasionally (obviously, still route not as much as when I hadn't had any guides whatsoever) regardless I need to ask my familiy, companions and understudies to rehash what they said?

Or, on the other hand, and that is the other choice my audiologist would give me a chance to take, would it be advisable for me to test additionally the Oticon; however then run the hazard that I will just confuse my decision further?

I trust, I figured out how to disclose my quandary to you in a fairly justifiable English.

I would be exceptionally appreciative, on the off chance that any individual who made comparable encounters could reveal to me how they settled on their possible decision at last.

Additionally, I have as of now read a great deal in this discussion, which truly helped me. I couln't locate a comparative post, however in the event that there is one, I would exceptionally welcome the reference to it.

Much obliged to you such a great amount ahead of time, and sorry to learn who thinks my concern is only an extravagance one. I am mindful that many encounters more serious issues (that is the motivation behind why I kept away from on of the German gatherings I know, where a few clients would answer only this), yet at the present time, this choice taking is truly making me frantic.

With respect to what I read in different strings, there are so such a variety of pleasant individuals here; and I trust some of you can help me.

Once more, much appreciated!

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PokeyJoe Thank you, Tim. This innovation is so new you are the principal individual I have discovered who has attempted both. I value you sharing your experience. Much appreciated once more.

Tim_Patr Hi, yes I did. In the long run I chose for the Primax. The OPN are truly great however, yet didn't fit directly into my life. By and large I observed both makers to be very equivalent, however particularly in class, when I am instructing, I loved Siemens better. Likewise when a few people are conversing with me: the opn focusses on all voices all the while, yet that is not by any stretch of the imagination very tantamount to the Siemens discourse ace, as I would see it. In any case, I would prescribe everybody to test both gadgets on the off chance that they can do as such. It was unquestionably no simple choice.

Tim

PokeyJoe Originally Posted by Tim_Patr

Howdy everybody,

I felt it's the ideal opportunity for a brisk refresh. Toward the end, I chose to turn back the Phonak. I simply didn't feel well with them. What's more, my audi stated, in the wake of hearing my depiction, I would presumably not be content with them.

I now got the Pure Primax 7px by Siemens/Sivantos/Signia. Furthermore, I truly like them. When I place them into my ear, I had a craving for changing back to "my listening devices" so to state; the inclination was practically identical to get into my own auto, to sort with my own particular telephone and so on. It just felt right.

Today, I got back for some more adaptions, and I said the equation nal-nl2. So we transformed it, and WOW! Everything sounds so vastly different at this point. It is marvelous. I don't know yet in the event that better however; I am still in a testing stage. Be that as it may, everything is louder, clearer, and noticeable. Presently my mind has such a large number of things to get used to, it is super cool. Movement clamor, ventilation systems, individuals in a shopping center: there are such a large number of sounds all around. I like it to have the capacity to "turn them off" just through a tick in my portable hearing assistants, yet it regards realize that now I can hear it.

By and by, paper stirring, high pitch voices and so forth, don't appear as jolting and irritating to me as they did when I attempted the Phonak. So I think, I will adhere to the Siemens now. Realizing that there are such a variety of choices one can test, this testing period could truly keep going forever. How about we hold up till I will educate again one week from now, so perhaps that will be THE experience.

In any case, I dediced to try the Oticon Opn out, as well - instantly in the wake of coming back from my trip toward the finish of June. And after that, ideally, I can choose which ones to run with.

On account of everybody for their assistance once more. On the off chance that anybody needs to share their experience in regards to Oticon Opn versus Siemens/Signia Primax, I would truly welcome that.

Goodness, and here is my audiogram! Would anybody be able to disclose me how to move this into numbers I can put in my gathering mark like so a large portion of you do, as well? I am not exactly beyond any doubt how to incorporate the two unique bends (bone versus air), on the grounds that at my left ear the conductive hearing misfortune is basic (because of a harm to my ear drum I had as a youngster). Much obliged to you so much!Audiogr.jpg

Have you attempted the Oticon Opn and assuming this is the case, how can it contrast with the Primax 7? I've been told the Opn is better than average in swarms yet so is the Primax 7. Much obliged.

Tim_Patr Hi everybody,

I felt it's the ideal opportunity for a speedy refresh. Toward the end, I chose to turn back the Phonak. I simply didn't feel well with them. Furthermore, my audi stated, subsequent to hearing my depiction, I would presumably not be content with them.

I now got the Pure Primax 7px by Siemens/Sivantos/Signia. Also, I truly like them. When I place them into my ear, I craved changing back to "my listening devices" so to state; the inclination was tantamount to get into my own particular auto, to sort with my own particular telephone and so forth. It just felt right.

Today, I got back for some more adaptions, and I specified the recipe nal-nl2. So we transformed it, and WOW! Everything sounds so very different at this point. It is wonderful. I don't know yet in the event that better however; I am still in a testing stage. Be that as it may, everything is louder, clearer, and distinguishable. Presently my mind has such a variety of things to get used to, it is outrageously cool. Movement clamor, aeration and cooling systems, individuals in a shopping center: there are such a large number of sounds all over the place. I like it to have the capacity to "turn them off" just by means of a tick in my portable amplifiers, however it regards realize that now I can hear it.

All things considered, paper stirring, high pitch voices and so on, don't appear as shaking and irritating to me as they did when I attempted the Phonak. So I think, I will adhere to the Siemens now. Realizing that there are such a variety of alternatives one can test, this testing period could truly keep going forever. We should hold up till I will instruct again one week from now, so perhaps that will be THE experience.

Nonetheless, I dediced to try the Oticon Opn out, as well - promptly subsequent to coming back from my excursion toward the finish of June. And after that, ideally, I can choose which ones to run with.

On account of everybody for their assistance once more. On the off chance that anybody needs to share their experience with respect to Oticon Opn versus Siemens/Signia Primax, I would truly value that.

Gracious, and here is my audiogram! Would anybody be able to disclose me how to move this into numbers I can put in my gathering mark like so a hefty portion of you do, as well? I am not exactly beyond any doubt how to incorporate the two distinct bends (bone versus air), on the grounds that at my left ear the conductive hearing misfortune is basic (because of a harm to my ear drum I had as a tyke). Much thanks to you so much!Audiogr.jpg

Tim_Patr Wow!

Much thanks to you such a great amount for all that data. I will get some information about that nal-nl2 recipe, at that point!

In the wake of having perused your first answers yesterday, I gave it another thoroughly considered night. Furthermore, I arrived at the conclusion that there is only something about the Phonak which I don't care for. I can't generally say why that is... possibly it truly needs to do with the outline, the bluetooth, the catch, and so forth. Be that as it may, sincerely I couldn't tell.

I am truly thankful to every one of your clarifications, and for the connections to the German sheets, as well (@Musician_72). What number of discussions are there? Stunning, I am truly flashed.

Tomorrow I am in the college, and I will likewise need to instruct. So I plan to attempt the Phonak there, and afterward address my audiologist on Wednesday. How about we see what he supposes about attempting distinctive recipes and so forth.

Btw, he revealed to me he will have the new Oticon on June 13. Shockingly, I need to travel only the following day (going to a gathering abroad) and will be away for ten days. That calendar is obviously by one means or another disastrous; and I should concede that I began the entire thing a bit excessively innocent. I had no clue about the entire universe of listening devices, and I at first idea it would be more similar to purchasing glasses.

Try not to misunderstand me, however. Being a little tech nerd, I truly like that, and I believe it's amusing to peruse about that and test diverse guides. Obviously, it is truly debilitating as well. I think you comprehend me.

So again numerous an abundance of thanks for all that a word of wisdom. I will keep you refreshed.

Tim

Psocoptera Tim,

The greater part of the diverse brands of listening device come in various sizes in the behind the ear/recipient in channel helps. The ones with the littlest batteries are not ready to fit both volume and program catches on the guides. The bigger battery adaptation has both arrangements of catches so you could take a gander at the size distinction and check whether the somewhat greater size is justified, despite all the trouble to have more controls on the HAs. You could do this with generally marks. There are likewise bunches of different approaches to control the volume or program changes eg. By means of a remote control, a streamer or an application on a telephone in conjunction with the streamer. After you accustomise to wearing HAs you may discover you don't have to change either volume or program in particular if by any means.

I likewise discover the Phonak useful for discourse and extremely agreeable in my ears (V90 312T with open vaults). I experienced issues with ReSound arches slipping out and being awkward. It is critical that whichever ones you pick you are happy with wearing them or they will tend not to get utilized. I do comprehend what you say in regards to the streamers. I made a decent attempt to make the Resound helps work for me since I truly adored the immediate network with every one of my iOS gadgets. I chose not to attempt the Phonak streamer since I truly couldn't see myself wearing it. I like my gems excessively and ladies' garments are not extremely perfect with wearing streamers. I got the Easycall II which appends to my telephone by means of a custom Phonak case. It is clear yet I don't completely require it in light of the fact that my iPhone is very certain without it and has volume to save for me.

The distinctive makers enable the audiologists to pick the fitting recipe they lean toward so you ought to have the capacity to attempt NAL-NL2 with any of them. I utilized it for the Resound HAs and my audiologist contrasted it with the Phonak equation with the V90s and balanced as she felt justified.

It sounds like you have the most essential part sorted - an audiologist wiling and ready to program the diverse guides. I think it is a significant favorable position to have decision and have the capacity to attempt diverse brands. Good fortunes.

Musician_72 Hi,

obviously will testing another guide add a multifaceted nature to your choice procedure. However, in the event that you hear better at last it's justified, despite all the trouble, would it say it isn't?

Here is a paper about the phonak fitting formula:https://www.phonakpro.com/content/da...ak_Digital.pdf

What a fitting recipe is portrayed here (in german):http://pinboard.schwerhoerigen-netz....25.html#p42366

Siemens utilizes yet another fitting recipe. What I was attempting to state: If you utilize a similar recipe for both, they will sound practically indistinguishable. I had the feeling that siemens with nal-nl2 sounds practically like phonak, and in the phonak paper they say that the phonak-equation is like nal-nl2 for direct misfortunes (which I have and you presumably as well). So before disposing of the siemens, you could utilize a more agressive fitting. Likewise you ought to request that the fitting be checked by genuine ear-estimations (auf deutsch: In-Situ-Messung).

To wrap things up: Make a discourse test to look at both guides.

Concerning oticon: I have a bernafon (which is practically a similar guide, distinctive programming), they will most likely accompanied one catch. Left guide: volume down, right guide: volume up. Medium long and long press can be allocated in an unexpected way (program change for example). The rocker of the siemens help is better, however the oticon-catch is as yet valuable.

Tim_Patr Thanks for all your superb answers!

I think you helped me a considerable measure by a) revealing to me that it is dependent upon me and b) by sharing your encounters.

As pointed out by tribalrose, it is for sure genuine that really I view the bluetooth gadgets as essential. This is possibly why I furtively trusted, so to state, the Phonak to be more terrible... be that as it may, they aren't and now I have this situation

I don't think it is exceptionally sensible to support the Siemens in light of the fact that the easyTek is preferred outlined over the ComPilot (since their capacities are truly similar!).

I was anxious my portrayal would specifically go for the Phonak to be better, as a result of the better discourse acknowledgment (it makes me think, it is the more sensible decision). It is quite recently that Siemens just felt cooler. Yet, yes, it makes me battle now.

I think about the diverse innovation levels; this is the reason I initially tried the Siemens 3px to then change to the 5px. Next, I needed the Phonak on a practically identical level (the Pure 5px and the Audeo V70 cost for all intents and purposes the same). The Premium ones are possibly a little to costly for me, considering I was living rather well (obviously with misconception) with no by any means. When I have it, I will post my audiogram

Things being what they are, if the arrangements could make the Siemens more like the Phonak, that is put them more honed? What precisely to I need to request? I am certain, my audiologist would do similarly as I ask. He's truly decent.

Because of you, as well, Musician_72. I am sad, on the off chance that I misexpressed myself, I wouldn't insult German discussions all in all (I simply made an awful involvement in a medicinal gathering a few years back; and perhaps I overgeneralized my reservations).

A debt of gratitude is in order for the tip about the Schwerhoerigenforum - I think I will post there tomorrow!!

All in all, you think testing the new Oticon in two weeks wouldn't include another intricacy in my basic leadership? In any event, there wouldn't be another issue with the bluetooth gadgets, since I comprehend you won't require a middle person gadget.

Do you know, by happenstance, what number of catches the new Oticon will have? I have seen that the catch for cutting back the volume is one thing that I truly am missing.

I truly value your assistance. A debt of gratitude is in order for all that generosity!

Tim

Musician_72 Hi,

there are pleasant individuals on the discussions in germany, as well (myself, for example).

You'll need to decide for yourself. Be that as it may, please consider the accompanying:

- you could change the siemens "more keen". When I attempted the siemens binax with nal-nl2 fitting (for various reasons that don't make a difference here), they sounded a great deal more like phonak. The principal fit more often than not goes for comfort

- there are new siemens helps out (sivantos primax). I'd attempt those, as well, particularly if music is of significance for you. On the off chance that you would prefer not to attempt the new guides, make certain to get a decent cost on the old ones

- turning into an educator, I'd beyond any doubt attempt the new oticon helps. On the off chance that what they say in the advertizing is valid (clear discourse for all in the room, not just for one individual), this is precisely what you require as an educator.

- in the event that you are not yet completed with your examinations, visit a school and attempt the guides there. Or, then again visit other swarmed places where you need to converse with various individuals (a bar would be a smart thought) and perceive how the guides do

- as has been said some time recently, additionally attempt the highest point of-the line helps

I as a rule post at schwerhoerigenforum.de , on the off chance that you need a few sentiments from Germany.

Yours

Musician_72

tribalrose Tim, you are the special case who can choose for you. In any case, I was confronted with a comparative circumstance when choosing which helps to run with. One sets was more strident and one all the more simple tuning in. I was sufficiently lucky to have both sets to trial in the meantime and analyze, and as I began that examination decided I'd run with the guides that helped me hear discourse the best. I had the more strident guides for over 2 months when I got the others and was at that point changing in accordance with the paper crinkling, and so on., to some degree, and after all the reason for listening devices is understanding discourse better.

Not at all like you I couldn't recognize any distinction in the way the diverse brands helped me with discourse, however despite everything I trust that the guides that assistance discourse acknowledgment the most are the approach (unless obviously they trouble you so much you wouldn't wear them).

Simply perusing your post, I get the impression the size and shade of the bluetooth gadget is significantly more essential to you than you're conceding - it's the main thing you specify. Perhaps you have to take a seat and consider whether that ought to be the situation.

KenP The numbers related with the guides demonstrate a "quality" level. There are 3 levels from every one of the organizations that mean passage, middle of the road, and premium. They are a similar guide with specific elements debilitated in bring down levels. You should take a gander at the reality sheets to see exactly what you get. The 3 is a section level guide. The 5 and 7 are middle of the road.

The paper stirring and irritating things are a piece of the way toward motivating use to helps. The brain will start sifting these sounds which it hasn't encountered in some time.

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