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Siemens Nitro CIC v Starkey Extreme Power CIC

2008-06-08 08:31:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  stefandang
Hi folks I've perused comparative posts on here yet would be intrigued to know your musings on the Siemens Nitro and the Starkey Extreme Power CIC's (or whatever other new CIC's that are substantially more intense than customary CIC's).

To the extent I can advise the Nitro has up to 70dB of pick up, and the Starkey has up to 75dB of pick up.

About me: my listening ability misfortune is between 45-75dB (run of the mill "U" shape on the audiogram). I have a respective sensorineural hearing misfortune since birth, and right now wear ITC's. I had been told in the past I was not reasonable for CIC's (and that I was pushing it with ITC's) yet I'm trusting these new ones will suit me. I do have a restricted channel in my left ear so will most likely be unable to complete it for my left ear (I'm seeing a couple of various audiologists this week to check this and if the CIC's are reasonable for my listening ability misfortune).

In this way, if these portable amplifiers are appropriate for my listening ability misfortune & trenches, at that point I would need to buy them when poss. Does anybody know whether there is an examination of the two on the web?

I know the Nitro is accessible in the UK (most likely alongside a heavy cost as everything in the UK is overrated), however I don't know whether the Starkey outrageous power is accessible in the UK. Does anybody know?

Much obliged!!

Stef

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Steve in Florida Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

It doesn't take after that a 75dB misfortune requires 75dB of pick up. I sincerely don't trust that you'd have to go that far.

Splendidly right ZCT. Stef, there is a thing called 'the half pick up run the show'.

It says that for lost X dB you require an increase in just HALF that i.e. X/2 dB pick up. Along these lines, taking into consideration headroom for the future and so on, perhaps 45dB or 50dB or pick up would be OK for you.

With respect to Nitro costs, my pricelist makes them begin at

stream2525 Originally Posted by burra

stream... I know you're doing heaps of research which is great... however, wouldn't you say asking a similar inquiry again and again is excessive?

You are correct, however I need to get more persuaded.

burra stream... I know you're doing bunches of research which is great... in any case, wouldn't you say asking a similar inquiry again and again is excessive?

stream2525 I will be attempting Starkey S 9 Series CIC soon.

Any experience?

stream2525 Originally Posted by Research

AVR Sonovation, Widex and Phonak all utilization an approach called Frequency Lowering. Each organization just moves high recurrence data to a lower recurrence - in an alternate way, in any case.

The method of reasoning behind this approach is that most hearing misfortune is more regrettable in higher frequencies than bring down frequencies. By moving sounds to a lower recurrence most patients would more be able to effortlessly hear that sound.

There are a few provisos to this procedure. For example, moving a sound down in recurrence changes sound quality-a "S" may turn into a "SH". Individuals likewise utilize the "separation" between various frequencies as a prompt for comprehension, this handling changes the connection between sounds. Thus individuals frequently encounter an acclimatization period before they adjust to the preparing.

AVR was the primary organization to bring this handling standard. They focused on extreme to-significant hearing misfortune and "left corner" audiograms. For a few people the AVR items were exceptionally effective, for others the sound quality was excruciating. This framework was extremely forceful and moved frequencies drastically.

The present systems adopt a moderate strategy. High frequencies are moved lower however frequencies underneath a specific limit (e.g. 4,000 Hz) are left untouched.

Widex was by re-present this preparing with their Audibility Extender. The Audibility extender utilizes a recurrence transposition approach. They have made a decent showing with regards to of routinely distributing information about the conduct and advantages of the transposition approach.

Phonak taken after with Sound Recover. This is a recurrence pressure procedure. They have been presenting field ponders and have approved the utilization of Sound Recover in kids with a current production from a pediatric gathering in Ontario. The contrast between Phonak's application and the others available generally lies in the audiograms they target. Phonak will present some recurrence pressure with limits as low as 60 dBHL. This implies numerous fittings could have some measure of recurrence pressure.

There isn't a desire that either recurrence pressure or transposition is a favored choice. They both achieve comparable objectives. At present the primary contrast is the way that direct hearing misfortune is being focused by Phonak's system.

I am of the assessment that this innovation will turn into a pillar in listening devices. Notwithstanding, I think we have to accomplish more work to comprehend when it ought to be executed. On the off chance that a patient has aidable hearing we ought not be expelling acoustic signs by bringing down them. We ought to likewise abstain from utilizing these advances to limit input or fitting troubles.

This is a fascinating point that will, most likely, keep on receiving consideration.

That' truly fascinating

Research AVR Sonovation, Widex and Phonak all utilization an approach called Frequency Lowering. Each organization just moves high recurrence data to a lower recurrence - in an alternate way, be that as it may.

The method of reasoning behind this approach is that most hearing misfortune is more awful in higher frequencies than bring down frequencies. By moving sounds to a lower recurrence most patients would more be able to effectively hear that sound.

There are a few provisos to this procedure. For example, moving a sound down in recurrence changes sound quality-a "S" may turn into a "SH". Individuals likewise utilize the "separation" between various frequencies as a signal for comprehension, this handling changes the connection between sounds. Consequently individuals frequently encounter an acclimatization period before they adjust to the handling.

AVR was the principal organization to bring this handling standard. They focused on extreme to-significant hearing misfortune and "left corner" audiograms. For a few people the AVR items were exceptionally fruitful, for others the sound quality was terrible. This framework was exceptionally forceful and moved frequencies significantly.

The present methodologies adopt a moderate strategy. High frequencies are moved lower however frequencies underneath a specific limit (e.g. 4,000 Hz) are left untouched.

Widex was by re-present this preparing with their Audibility Extender. The Audibility extender utilizes a recurrence transposition approach. They have made a decent showing with regards to of routinely distributing information about the conduct and advantages of the transposition approach.

Phonak taken after with Sound Recover. This is a recurrence pressure procedure. They have been presenting field contemplates and have approved the utilization of Sound Recover in youngsters with a current distribution from a pediatric gathering in Ontario. The contrast between Phonak's application and the others available generally lies in the audiograms they target. Phonak will present some recurrence pressure with edges as low as 60 dBHL. This implies numerous fittings could have some measure of recurrence pressure.

There isn't a desire that either recurrence pressure or transposition is a favored choice. They both achieve comparable objectives. As of now the principle distinction is the way that direct hearing misfortune is being focused by Phonak's system.

I am of the supposition that this innovation will turn into a pillar in listening devices. Nonetheless, I think we have to accomplish more work to comprehend when it ought to be executed. On the off chance that a patient has aidable hearing we ought not be evacuating acoustic prompts by bringing down them. We ought to likewise abstain from utilizing these advancements to limit input or fitting troubles.

This is an intriguing subject that will, doubtlessly, keep on receiving consideration.

stream2525 Originally Posted by xbulder

sound recoup is a phonak selective

this connection clarifies sound recoverhttp://www.centralcarolinaent.com/we...er-July-09.pdf

That is an exceptionally intriguing article.

Try not to portable amplifiers other than Phonak have comparable thing to Sound Recover?

How do other portable amplifiers manage the need of patients ( like me) who has issues with high frequencies and need change in speach understanding ??

xbulder Originally Posted by stream2525

To be completely forthright, I didn't comprehend you. I am new to portable hearing assistants and new here ,so I think that its hard to get it. In addition, I am not English Natice speaker.

I apprecaite your illumination on this. What is the benifit of sound recoup and how it functions?

Do you imply that lone Phonak has this ?

sound recoup is a phonak select

this connection clarifies sound recoverhttp://www.centralcarolinaent.com/we...er-July-09.pdf

stream2525 Originally Posted by xbulder

Sound recoup is a Phonak Propietary Frequency reaction. I have quite recently perused an article

from Siemens in that they will have or have (not certain) and instrument where the

client will have the capacity to control the recurrence reaction through a remote control.

Today, most High end instruments have VC adapting Now siemens will present

the end client the posibility to prepare the instrument to have the best recurrence reaction

in light of your inclination. This is plain sharp..

To be completely forthright, I didn't comprehend you. I am new to portable amplifiers and new here ,so I think that its hard to get it. Additionally, I am not English Natice speaker.

I apprecaite your elucidation on this. What is the benifit of sound recoup and how it functions?

Do you imply that lone Phonak has this ?

xbulder the first HI comp who has been doing freq. comp is AVR SONO-they have not been prominent at everything except rather unquestionably they have ace along these lines before phonak did int. Widex had

something dif. call recurrence transposition (I have perused they had a considerable measure of

conceling as a great many people would dismiss it out and out)

It took phonak to make it standard (applaud them), there are signs that siemens will have something of this sort. Before long others will most likely take after, Oticon, GN, Starkey

xbulder Originally Posted by stream2525

I read here that Siemens Nitro CIC is a decent guide.

Does it have sound Recovery?

Sound recoup is a Phonak Propietary Frequency reaction. I have quite recently perused an article

from Siemens in that they will have or have (not certain) and instrument where the

client will have the capacity to control the recurrence reaction through a remote control.

Today, most High end instruments have VC adapting Now siemens will present

the end client the posibility to prepare the instrument to have the best recurrence reaction

in view of your inclination. This is plain smart..

stream2525 I perused here that Siemens Nitro CIC is a decent guide.

Does it have sound Recovery?

Hearcare Westminster...interesting persepective on CICs...they are absolutely more work for the container and have a significantly higher return rate so as a "discounter" I can perceive any reason why you don't care to fit them. On the "hazard" sie of things I discover your remarks truly left field in that I've never known an "episode" occuring from a legitimately taken CIC impression. Does this happen a ton in the UK?

With the new hostile to criticism capabilitlies taking into account expanded vent sizes and more power I think CICs will now turn out to be to a greater extent a substantial choice for individuals.

buck The control network from NuEar which is the Starkey innovation has just been accessible to me in either the 1200 or 1600.

stefandang it's difficult to give an unbiased survey of my HA's, particularly as I'm certain they are ceased now (i got them almost 3 years prior). be that as it may, i favor the sound to the starkey cic's i as of late attempted. I can hear extremely well in loud situations yet don't try utilizing the 'push catch' choice (where you can change settings reliant on which condition you are in)

i would unquestionably lean toward CIC's however for the time being my ITC's will suffice, particularly as I believe i can hear and appreciate sounds to a high degree

having said that i would not know whether there are better guides out there for me as i've not yet had the chance to encounter any better ones

stef

rhythm Stef, would you please clarify few +/ - of ITC you're wearing. When you are in bars or loud environ, do these truly stay aware of female voice? The amount they cost in that capacity? My listening ability misfortune is very nearer to your chart in any case.

TA

stefandang Hi there - defo look at costs on the nitro's cos i heard that specsavers would lessen the cost potentially down to £1800 a couple.

for the present i'm staying with my siemen's triano ITC's, however may consider the nitros - ONLY if the value descends (I think i was cited something silly like £4000 from amplivox only a few months prior)

good fortunes. on the off chance that you do get the nitro's told me how they are!!

much obliged

stef

rhythm ZCT, Stef

I got in this discussion to get some data on Nitro item.

Stef, I went to amplifox branch today and they cited me £2600 for a couple of Nitro 55. So you may well attempt them (Sietech, amplifon are their sister concerns).

ZCT, my top-end hearing misfortune is around 70 decibal with direct misfortune on different frequencies. So would you imagine that Nitro 55/118 would be an appropriate item for me? I am 32, and have been wearing a Rhapsody 400 from specsavers (identical to Starkey fate 400 I figure) for a year, which is whether anything a total disappointment.

As it was a first since forever purchase so being a layman and even after various sittings it did nt convey by any means. Being an expert, it has made my life a horrendous experience.

To stop long story, I need to purchase somthing that would truly give me my life back.

If it's not too much trouble let me know whether you require assist data to reply.

Much obliged ahead of time.

stefandang Thank you ZCT for your useful reaction. I think you have gotten the job done perfectly there, yet as it appeared my "issues" couldn't be settled I needed to recover my cash before the 30 days ran out. I will positively remember this on the off chance that it happens again with other CIC's. In spite of the fact that if Starkey know about this issue, at that point I don't perceive any reason why they can't program the guides effectively preceding delivery to the Audi (they could program them to fit my solution before they sent them out afterall).

In light of xbulder's prior answer: I don't see the rationale in going from my current ITC to a BTE/ITE - I'm attempting to get them littler not bigger!

ZCT Originally Posted by stefandang

It would be ideal if you take note of the above is entirely my supposition as it were. I am certain a considerable measure of patients have been content with Starkey Destiny amplifiers, however I needed to share my encounters on an open gathering.

You are portraying a known issue with the Starkey help. The arrangement is straightforward; they should be customized legitimately. Truth be told there is another fitting equation that turned out half a month back intended for imbecile hearing experts that can't program helps appropriately.

On the off chance that any other person is having this issue, request that the hearing proficient change to eSTAT. At that point question why you are explaining this to your "expert."

Unmistakably, they wouldn't be offering a considerable lot of these guides if patients were not able hear music or the letters C and S.

Not exclusively do they have unimaginably adaptable pressure modification (counting the choice not to pack by any means), but rather these guides likewise have control over the assault and discharge time, and affectability to sudden sound changes.

Truly it makes me humiliated for this calling your listening ability proficient couldn't settle this straightforward issue. Since the 1600 was discharged I have a 100% achievement rate with them. I have NEVER had a patient restore a set.

In any case, at that point my unique foundation was in software engineering, and I make it a matter of expert pride to figure out how to program the damn things! Too terrible this transpired, on the grounds that you had some extraordinary guides there.

xbulder perhaps you should attempt a bte or an ITE

stefandang Hello thought I'd refresh on my look for a CIC.

I as of late bought the Starkey 1600 predetermination outrageous CIC's. I had at first chosen to go for them in light of the fact that the Siemens Nitro's were idiotically overrated and I didn't know whether they would really be superior to the Starkey ones.

At any rate the Starkey CIC's: at the outset they frantically compacted so at whatever point there was any clamor (regardless of the possibility that it wasn't boisterous) they would attempt to smother that commotion (even my own particular voice!). I could scarcely hear anything and rapidly became ill of sound blurring in & out. Additionally it was extremely disagreeable to tune in to music.

The pressure settings were changed and improved, despite the fact that tuning in to music still wasn't as charming as with my forerunner portable amplifiers (Siemens Triano ITC's).

After various visits to the Audi & a considerable measure of tweaking, and in the wake of wearing the Starkey helps for some time so I could get used to them; I chose to do an immediate correlation of both of my new & old guides and saw that at whatever point I said words containing the letters S's or C's I couldn't hear those letters at all with the Starkey helps (yet I could plainly with my old ones). It was really influencing my discourse to the point I believed I was building up a discourse hindrance or even a drawl!! This was a similar issue all through even after all the tweaking (where high/low frequencies had been balanced).

When I put my old Siemens ones back in I could talk ordinarily once more. While I was wearing the Starkey ones I had begun to feel hesitant about talking, and in my employment it is essential I am a certain speaker. Consequently alone the Starkey ones needed to go.

So I've now returned them and recovered my cash. I am as yet attempting to recover my certainty while talking, since despite everything I need to delay in the event that I am going to state a word with the letter S or C in it. I never thought another portable hearing assistant with evident progressive innovation could turn into an obstruction as opposed to an assistance. Maybe the issue is novel to me, or possibly it is something Starkey need to address.

Think I'll hold up a while now to check whether any new items turned out as well as if costs drop before endeavoring to discover another CIC. I may attempt the Siemens Nitro however I've been placed off on the off chance that a similar issue emerges again.Please take note of the above is entirely my assessment as it were. I am certain a great deal of patients have been content with Starkey Destiny listening devices, however I needed to share my encounters on an open discussion.

centro.ned Hi Sulla

Do you know and specs about the starkey outrageous power CIC?

I brought my 800 desting from starkey sydney and requiring more power..

centro.ned Hi

Well I am new to this discussion and kid its been intriguing simply perusing what all have needed to state.

I have like numerous a sensoneural two-sided misfortune and am presently fitted with the starkey predetermination 800.

For me these have been great, nonetheless I am needing to support the power. As per my audiometrist they are running at the maximum of 50db pick up of what I get it.

So what I am stating is my misfortune if around 50-60 over all frequencies and with the guides I have they have helped my guide limit to around 25 - 30db over all frequencies, henceforth I think the extraordinary sound like something for me to move up to.

what are the necessities for this do you know? is waterway estimate an issue?

Cheers - from Aust

Peter My audiologist cited me $2200 a piece anyway she didn't prescribe them since she was anxious about the possibility that that they may be spot on the edge for me now and would prefer not to suggest a guide that may be not as much as satisfactory in a year.

Dwindle

EnglishDispenser I'm inquisitive, is there any valid reason why you won't fit CICs?

I am a discounter. I can't bear the cost of the few changes a CIC or comparative profound fitting can require.

The extra hazard identifying with a profound impression is likewise something I won't endured. On the off chance that I ever need to send a patient to Casualty (ER) for gum evacuation I'm in a bad position!

I have low costs, so I fit a ton of helps, so measurably I will probably encounter an "occurrence" than the extravagant outlets which can make due on a solitary high benefit deal seven days!

In general, the expanded workload & hazard is not justified, despite any potential benefits for me.

I make it clear to every forthcoming client about my position on CICs and different guides requiring profound impressions.

EnglishDispenser Originally Posted by xbulder

question

Verve is a super premium instrument

what is your cited cost?

I am a discounter ... I haven't been welcome to stock Verve.

Anyway, Verve appears to just be the Savia with voice messages rather than beeps. Or, then again have I missed something?

ZCT Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

It doesn't take after that a 75dB misfortune requires 75dB of pick up. I genuinely don't trust that you'd have to go that far.

Splendidly right ZCT. Stef, there is a thing called 'the half pick up run the show'.

It says that for lost X dB you require an increase in just HALF that i.e. X/2 dB pick up. In this way, taking into account headroom for the future and so on, possibly 45dB or 50dB or pick up would be OK for you.

With respect to Nitro costs, my pricelist makes them begin at £1760 a couple ... Be that as it may, tragically this is a counseling cost just as I don't fit CICs at my training ... too bad.

I'm interested, is there any good reason why you won't fit CICs?

xbulder question

Verve is a super premium instrument

what is your cited cost?

audiogal Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I had a customer a week ago who had been cited somewhere else £12,600 for a couple of aids!!!!

My cost for the most top-end helps is around £3000.

Geesh, practically $25K for a couple of helps? Amazing. I do get individuals in my office who were cited somewhere else $8000 for a couple, which I believe is a rip-off. My costs are like yours, I think. I need to bring home the bacon, however not a murdering off of others.

EnglishDispenser Originally Posted by xbulder

englishdispenser:

I saw your site a Notice you apportion

oticon, Phonak, Siemens, Unitron and Starkey

What items do you jump at the chance to fit.. (brand and models)

what's more, Why?

I'm good to go so my criteria include:

* Is the listening device innovation great?

* Is the nature of the plastics OK?

* Is the neighborhood "rep" from the maker benevolent & learned?

* Does the maker like - or effectively despise - discounters?

* Is the phone technical support great & fast?

* Is the PC fitting programming successful & dependable?

* Are the guides great incentive for cash?

* Are the guides solid?

and so on and so on and so on

I wind up "scoring" every producer & every item step by step.

The "best" producer and model for a particular hearing misfortune can change everyday.

As it were, there is NO one "best" producer or item.

xbulder englishdispenser:

I saw your site a Notice you administer

oticon, Phonak, Siemens, Unitron and Starkey

What items do you get a kick out of the chance to fit.. (brand and models)

also, Why?

EnglishDispenser Originally Posted by stefandang

The audiologist where I got my Siemen's Triano's from (just 2.5 yrs prior) had the boldness to cite almost £6000 (!!!) for two Nitros. I sincerely don't trust any listening device is justified regardless of that much cash so I'm staying two fingers up at Siemens and am giving Starkey a shot.

Keep in mind the cost of the guide is NOT firmly identified with brand or model ... it is however significantly more identified with the particular allocator.

A costly allocator will charge a LOT for ALL models and ALL producers.

EnglishDispenser I had a customer a week ago who had been cited somewhere else £12,600 for a couple of aids!!!!

My cost for the most top-end helps is around £3000.

stefandang Thank you EnglishDispenser for your reponse:

Initially Posted by stefandang

Yes the guides I am after are more intense than my prerequisites. However as I've expressed before the less capable CIC's I've gone over just barely fit my scope of hearing misfortune and I need some "extra" pick up (on the off chance that my listening ability exacerbates). Unless I've missed something I'm yet to discover CICs inbetween the ones I've taken a gander at so far. Other than I'm certain the all the more intense ones can be set at my scope of hearing misfortune, which a few audiologists have effectively expressed it should be possible.

Additionally, a refresh: I've chosen to go for the Starkey CIC's currently, as the Nitro's were ludicrously overrated. The audiologist where I got my Siemen's Triano's from (just 2.5 yrs prior) had the boldness to cite about £6000 (!!!) for two Nitros. I genuinely don't trust any portable amplifier is justified regardless of that much cash so I'm staying two fingers up at Siemens and am giving Starkey a possibility.

Wanting to get them one week from now and will report back my feeling of them

Stef

EnglishDispenser It doesn't take after that a 75dB misfortune requires 75dB of pick up. I sincerely don't trust that you'd have to go that far.

Flawlessly right ZCT. Stef, there is a thing called 'the half pick up run the show'.

It says that for lost X dB you require an increase in just HALF that i.e. X/2 dB pick up. Along these lines, taking into consideration headroom for the future and so on, perhaps 45dB or 50dB or pick up would be OK for you.

With respect to Nitro costs, my pricelist makes them begin at £1760 a couple ... Be that as it may, tragically this is a consultative cost just as I don't fit CICs at my training ... too bad.

stefandang Thank you ZCT. I comprehend what you mean about the channels and I will put the inquiry to the audiologist I'm seeing on Tuesday, that if just 7 frequencies are tried, by what means would 16 be able to channels fit that level of variety more so than 8 channels (unless I've confounded what you have said).

Yes the guides I am after are more capable than my necessities. However as I've expressed before the less intense CIC's I've gone over just barely fit my scope of hearing misfortune and I need some "extra" pick up (in the event that my listening ability compounds). Unless I've missed something I'm yet to discover CICs inbetween the ones I've taken a gander at so far. Other than I'm certain the all the more intense ones can be set at my scope of hearing misfortune, which a few audiologists have effectively expressed it should be possible.

So regardless i'm left undecided between the Starkey and the Nitro, and it appears very few on here have attempted either as I've yet to hear feelings on them. I will inquire as to whether they have any showing helps so I can at any rate analyze the sound.

Much appreciated everybody, will tell you which help I choose to go for.

Stef

ZCT Now that I've seen your outcomes (accepting no air bone hole) I remain by my affirmation that you needn't bother with 75dB of pick up.

Concerning the channel/band thing. Investigate your outcomes; you just have seven distinct frequencies tried, and in all honesty, the outcomes at 8KHz aren't much utilize at any rate. In the event that testing each and every recurrence were imperative, the test would incorporate estimation at 16 unique frequencies instead of 7.

As I have as of now said, it's not the NUMBER of channels a portable amplifier has, it is the way controllable and free each is. I've seen helps in years passed by that boast all these distinctive channels and groups yet when you go to change one channel, different channels move as well. So while on paper it might look like 16 channels, in the event that they are not genuinely autonomous your compelling number of channels is less.

So I don't become tied up with the way that less channels on the Starkey help would make it in any capacity second rate compared to your old guide.

Yet, the confirmation of the pudding is in the eating. A decent master ought to have some BTE test helps you can tune in to, that will give you in any event some thought of what the new guides would seem like. Truth be told, back when I honed in the UK, it was a lawful necessity that a Registered Hearing Aid Dispenser had exhibition helps accessible when testing.

With regards to portable hearing assistants, what is important to the exclusion of everything else is your subjective reaction to tuning in to them. I couldn't care less in the event that it has one channel or 200 channels, on the off chance that it sounds like poo to you, you won't have any desire to wear it!

stefandang Thanks everybody. Sulla I will send you a speedy message.

ZCT much obliged for your remarks. As you would like to think might I be able to try and recognize an adjustment in sound with a guide that has 8 channels contrasted with one with 16 channels? I trust I comprehend the general idea of channels and if my audiogram was more straight I would maybe approve of less channels. Be that as it may, my audiogram, while for the most part U molded, is here and there and there is a considerable amount of assortment. Likewise on a few audiograms my misfortune goes up to 75db, and once when I was a child it went up to 80 db misfortune. I for one don't think my listening ability has changed by any stretch of the imagination, and I trust these varieties are subjective. Be that as it may, it does leave a question mark over what amount of misfortune I do have - 70-80db? One audiologist taken a gander at different CICs, (for example, the phonak) and the fitting reach went up to 70db, and I clarified in light of the fact that my listening ability might be marginally more awful I'd rather not have a guide where the fitting extent was that tight. I envision they would should be fueled up to their total max to get the advantage.

I have this with my present guides - Triano. They are controlled to their maximum as at all different settings they were too calm - so I conflicted with the audiologists counsel and he fueled them up, and now I do get criticism along these lines (yet they are at a sound level that I feel more great with).

While this is not my subject matter I am more happy with getting a guide that has that additional power so it doesn't should be set at its maximum for me to hear easily. Likewise I would rather there was some increase left in the occasion my listening ability deteriorates later on.

I am firmly considering the Starkey ones again on the grounds that as I would like to think the main principle contrast is the channels and Starkey clearly have better criticism control (vital to me as I utilize telephones a ton and am tired of the guides shrieking when anything is near them).

Only for data my audiograms throughout the years have gone here and there since I was a child (I'm 30 now) and the kind of misfortune I have shouldn't change until the point when I get old (subsequently why I think the variety is because of subjectivity/sort of machine utilized/in the event that I had a cool at the time and so forth):

Right ear:

200hz: 45-60 (most recent was 50dB)

500hz: 50-65 (most recent was 50dB)

1000hz: 65-80 (most recent was 70dB)

2000hz: 65-70 (most recent was 70dB)

4000hz: 60-70 (most recent was 65dB)

6000hz: 25-50 (most recent was 50dB)

8000hz: 25-55 (most recent was 55dB)

Left ear:

200hz: 50-55 (most recent was 55dB)

500hz: 50-60 (most recent was 55dB)

1000hz: 70-70 (most recent was 70dB)

2000hz: 65-75 (most recent was 70dB)

4000hz: 65-70 (most recent was 65dB)

6000hz: 45-60 (most recent was 60dB)

8000hz: 50-65 (most recent was 65dB)

In the event that from my audiograms you think either the Nitro or Starkey would be appropriate (or some other CIC that I might not have considered so far as that is concerned) I would love to hear you conclusion

Much obliged

Stef

Sulla I paid £855 for my Nitros conveyed from the USA. I am in Australia.

Pursuit my posts with NITRO as the inquiry word.

Send me a message on the off chance that you might want a name and an email address for the USA dealer or in the event that you have any inquiries. (I did a great deal of research).

ZCT Originally Posted by stefandang

A debt of gratitude is in order for the answer.

Well my journey to discover a CIC for myself has not gone too well. I've addressed around 5-6 audiologists and a couple had never at any point known about the Nitro which does not ingrain a great deal of certainty. The guides I at present have are Siemens Triano ITC which are 16 channels (the Starkey ones are 8 channels), so for coherence I have chosen to go for the Nitro.

Much appreciated

Stef

As I as of now specified, I think you are searching for an excessively effective guide, in view of what you said in regards to your misfortune. You could get any conventional CIC with a sensible power, and it would help you. I see no should be taking a gander at 70-75dB of increase here.

Concerning your remarks about channels. This is a total misnomer. More improves. For instance, TV where you live updates 50 times each second. Here in the States, it refreshes 60 times each second. So the US has a superior picture right? No. Not under any condition. European TV looks way more keen, crisper and more regular. Last time I was in England, I continued inquiring as to whether they were observing top notch TV, since it looked so sharp. It wasn't, it was quite recently consistent TV. Yet, it looks such a great amount of superior to anything it does in the States, regardless of the slower invigorate.

In another case, do you trust that a blender with sixteen speed settings is constantly better than one with eight?

In listening device terms it doesn't take after that more channels dependably breaks even with more solid quality. There is likewise the issue of groups, and exactly how customizable each of these channels/groups are. It's much more intricate than simply contrasting one number with another.

You would be all around encouraged to search out some quality CICs from a producer of your decision. Their normal higher fueled CICs will make an awesome showing with regards to for you. You are far from requiring either the Nitro or the eXtreme power CIC. (Again accepting I comprehend what you said in regards to your misfortune).

Good fortunes turning into a cop.

stefandang Thanks for the answer.

Well my journey to discover a CIC for myself has not gone too well. I've addressed around 5-6 audiologists and a couple had never at any point known about the Nitro which does not impart a considerable measure of certainty. The guides I at present have are Siemens Triano ITC which are 16 channels (the Starkey ones are 8 channels), so for progression I have chosen to go for the Nitro.

I have been cited idiotically high sums for two Nitro helps: £6000, £4500 and £2500. Indeed, even on the web I can't get any less expensive than that. I am hesitant to arrange globally unless it's a legitimate organization then I may hazard it. I've quite recently had a portable hearing assistant organization on the telephone expressing that 'Siemens are bad, run with what we give' and they expressed that for my listening ability misfortune I would likewise be appropriate for the Widex Inteo (£3500) or Phonak Eleva (£2800). That is still excessively expensive in any case.

So I feel exceptionally collapsed.

The reason I'm attempting to get these is on the grounds that I need to end up plainly a cop and I truly think it would build my odds of passing the restorative in the event that I have littler guides (i.e. less possibility they will drop out, less criticism when utilizing telephones, less shot of harm on the off chance that I get hit on the ear and so forth). Likewise I've quite recently had my eyes lasered (as without contacts my visual perception was crap). So as of now I'm out £3000. It's a great deal of cash since I have cr*p faculties and now I feel discouraged

Does anybody in the UK know where I could get the Nitro's (or comparable portable hearing assistant) for not as much as an extortionate measure of cash??! I have a meeting with specsavers hearing consideration on Tuesday as they offered them for £2595, so will arrange through them on the off chance that I can't get them less expensive somewhere else.

Much obliged

Stef

ZCT It doesn't take after that a 75dB misfortune requires 75dB of pick up. I sincerely don't trust that you'd have to go that far.

Starkey cases to have the best in class criticism concealment, so there ought to be more usable pick up. However, the issue will be the state of your ear waterway.

In any case, on the off chance that they got an ITC working alright, it ought to be conceivable to get some type of CIC, regardless of the possibility that they need to make the battery end of the guide somewhat greater than normal.

The nFusion chip is really little, so there's a decent possibility. Obviously without seeing an impression of your ear, it's difficult to state.

In the UK, I'm certain they are both overrated, for the reasons you expressed. Also, if the powerful forms are not yet accessible, I speculate it may involve time. The UK branch of Starkey is not that a long ways behind the American one.

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