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The New Exelia M BTE, MyPilot, iCom Bluetooth review

2008-02-23 02:49:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  biggeek
Product: http://www.exelia.phonak.com/en/

I've recently put down $8060 on an arrangement of BTE Exelia M's...With the iPilot remote control and iCom Bluetooth/FM gadget tossed in "for nothing."

I'll have a substance shaded Exelia M fitted March third for evaluation...Along with the iPilot remote control.

On the off chance that I like the Exelia M, I'll get a Graphite/High-Tech Gray adaptation of the gadget with the iCom wearable Bluetooth dandy (which is evidently on raincheck)

In the event that I get excessively of the "Impediment Effect" I loathed from my past in-the-ear devices...I'll recover my cash.

Here's to you!

Biggeek

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TonyA Understand your disappointments! Well beyond the appropriateness of a specific listening device to your specific issue, and furthermore how your mind chooses to prepare, of course...there is additionally the Oticon Epoq.

I sent back my Exelia's and the iCom - the guides didn't work too well for me, and I had the iCom around my neck. I'm not one for stressing over the feel, but rather it was bulky and inconvenient.

I now have the Epoq and the Streamer. I don't utilize the neckloop for the Streamer yet have it cut into my shirt front pocket and correspondence is beneficial for one ear. In the event that i need extraordinary gathering in both ears I cut it to simply center of the bosom bone zone level against the chest - splendid!

Good fortunes!

Tony

aspirewire Great input all through so I thank all that set aside the opportunity to give such profitable data.

It appears like finding the best portable amplifier depends on the client which can be baffling so this is all so supportive. I'm in deals and recently backpedaled to the workplace from working at home. Being a developing association I was incidentally placed in a work area in an uproarious domain with numerous colleagues with for me poor talking practices (an inquiry to me behind a desk area divider or a few doors down, and so on.). My amplifiers have not been doing the trap and on top of that I am hauling one out to fly in my remote headset which is the best clarity....etc...etc..etc.

Thus, I inquired about the most recent bluetooth innovation and saw that the Exelia and the Siemen's Pure (rechargeable too) seemed, by all accounts, to be the most recent and most prominent. Cost is a KILLER as dependably however no decision in the event that I need to exist in my reality.

In my examination I ran over a gadget called the Artone Loop Set at www.artonecs.com. It seems to do a portion of an indistinguishable things from the iCom and there is currently a TVB connector for the TV. The cost is considerably less. It just requires that a HA have a t-curl. So look at it for those that are not sold on the iComm they experimented with. I just kept running crosswise over it in my exploration so I thought I'd send a note around here.

I simply wish I didn't need to wear something around my neck - would i be able to make it resemble an offbeat neckband with my suit at work? Can't the iComm be set in ones pocket?

What's more, incidentally, I, as well, discovered that I'll be the first with my audiologist to attempt the Exelia. It would be useful on the off chance that I could deal with my own particular set up of my listening device once she kicked me off!

Much obliged again for all the genuine encounters!

TheGeek enjoying your string... simply requested two Exelia BTEs... Supplanting ResoundAirs Air60 + (Which I adore cause I generally don't know I'm wearing them) My listening ability profile has quite recently dropped in the 2000Khz upwards band to a reliable 70 dB misfortune... Sound says AIR60+ won't cut the mustard any more...

Would anyone be able to remark promote on the VoiceZoom?

- I occasionally instruct & discover I need to request that twice comprehend an inquiry... just 12 develop understudies in decent calm room...

- And, similar to whatever is left of you, loathe eateries with hard dividers!

I'm astounded at the size/requirement for the iCom... bluetooth chips are around 1.5 mm square, I accept... I assume they kept them from the listening device because of energy deplete...

At $AUD9,950 for a couple I'm trusting they bring back somewhat more lucidity...

Robert...

Ps - Has anybody seen a client cross reference with audiogram and listening device acknowledgment? I'm with a couple of you and locate no target reviews...(apart from $ & I initially need to know whether the guides work..). It has a craving for conversing with Lawyers or Doctors 20 years prior... Audiologists assert that everybody is distinctive, consequently 'the best hearing aid'... Taking that to an intelligent conclusion would mean they don't have the foggiest idea...

I'm keen on setting something up... On the off chance that others would think that its valuable

TheGeek enjoying your string... simply requested two Exelia BTEs... Supplanting ResoundAirs Air60 + (Which I adore cause I for the most part don't know I'm wearing them) My listening ability profile has quite recently dropped in the 2000Khz upwards band to a reliable 70 dB misfortune... Sound says AIR60+ won't cut the mustard any more...

Would anyone be able to remark encourage on the VoiceZoom?

- I occasionally instruct & discover I need to request that twice comprehend an inquiry... just 12 develop understudies in decent calm room...

- And, similar to whatever is left of you, loathe eateries with hard dividers!

I'm astonished at the size/requirement for the iCom... bluetooth chips are around 1.5 mm square, I accept... I assume they kept them from the listening device because of energy deplete...

At $AUD9,950 for a couple I'm trusting they bring back somewhat more lucidity...

Robert...

Ps - Has anybody seen a client cross reference with audiogram and portable hearing assistant acknowledgment? I'm with a couple of you and locate no target reviews...(apart from $ & I initially need to know whether the guides work..). It craves conversing with Lawyers or Doctors 20 years back... Audiologists assert that everybody is distinctive, along these lines 'the best hearing aid'... Taking that to a coherent conclusion would mean they don't have the foggiest idea...

I'm occupied with setting something up... On the off chance that others would think that its helpful

biggeek BTW: You can energize both the iCom and the myPilot with a small b USB link associated with your Windows XP PC. You don't have to utilize the power block provided with either gadget.

At the point when XP attachment and-play pesters you for a driver, Just tic that little checkbox that says something along the lines of "don't trouble me about this once more" and you'll get a stream charge.

I don't know how Vista or Macs react however.

Alias I've had both the iCom and myPilot for my Exelia's for fourteen days now. In general I'm quite content with the set up. I'll be trying the Siemans Pure in half a month also.

I like the myPilot for one thing - Zoom Focus. It works truly well in my workplace - pulling a speakers voice from the light modern commotion foundation. I'd recommend making a request to demo this thing and have a privilege to return it on the off chance that you don't think that its helpful. It truly isn't useful for much else.

The iCom is more valuable. To utilize it with my mobile phone I changed the settings while it was snared to my audi's PC. I wrenched the volume up to 10/10 (the most noteworthy it would go) and turned the HA mic volume truly low (like - 20). Along these lines I can hear the guest well regardless of the possibility that I'm in the auto. In the event that you increase the volume on the HA it will likewise turn up the mic volume and you will hear a greater amount of the clamor around you...which is typically a terrible thing.

I wouldn't fret that the iCom does not have voicedial as I have discovered that it once in a while works right in any case. YMMV. I might want to see a progression around there however, and I'd likewise get a kick out of the chance to have the iCom declare an approaching call by means of guest ID.

I as of now utilize the fix string to associate the iCom to my iPod. Similarly as with the telephone settings, I wrenched the information volume up and turned the HA mics path down. The sound quality experience isn't tantamount to tuning in through my Sennheiser jars, yet it is sufficient. The mode exchanging in the middle of tunes is a minor inconvenience.

In case I'm not really utilizing the iCom I for the most part tuck it under my shirt. Despite the fact that it's little, regardless I have an inclination that I'm wearing a bulletin around my neck.

joesc Originally Posted by biggeek

Be that as it may, to be honest...I don't care for wearing the iCom due to the weight.

Yes, it seems like the iCom is superfluously cumbersome!

biggeek Originally Posted by Mike F - London

Have perused every one of the postings and discovered Biggeek's generally useful. Go ahead Biggeek - give us a refresh please - You appear to be in front of us! How are you getting on with the full unit after your initail dissatisfaction?

My statements of regret. Extremely occupied at work and furthermore moving to another flat. Bleah.

I think my last refresh may have been translated as accidentally negative. I truly adore my Excelia M's and have resolved to keep them.

The issues with the iCom and my telephone were followed to a flawed HA in my assessment combine.

I'm utilizing the MyPilot less and less as the Excelia's versatile innovation is by all accounts changing in accordance with my sweet spot. Despite everything I get a kick out of the chance to convey it on the grounds that there are a few circumstances that simply request a manual change. I think of it as an essential "choice."

I utilize the iCom only at work when I know I'll have a large number of calls...Or in the datacenter where the background noise stunning. Be that as it may, to be honest...I don't care for wearing the iCom in light of the weight.

TonyA Had the Exelia's for a couple of days now and just gotten the iCom. The Exelia's still need changing with the different program modes, yet as a specialized dialog with the audi it's incredible fun! One of the issues is that with the BTE's I had some ear trench molds made for the closures of the sound tubes and they continue sliding out, so general sound quality over a hour or so slowly debases - so now getting some new one made.

iCom...not as noteworthy as I had trusted. In an office situation it's OK, however in the auto I discover the volume restricted. I requested that the audi increment the volume when in iCom mode, which he did, yet there is no commotion crossing out in this mode so all the auto clamor is likewise opened up. Also, I can't start voicedial from the iCom, so I'm irritated right at this point!

Tony

TonyA Just had my Exelia's for 24 hours having been utilizing Oticon Syncro's for very nearly four years.

Right now I need to state that the jury is still out on them - I'm supposing I'm losing some lucidity with the Exelia's contrasted with Syncro's yet that might be managed by some tweaking on my following visit.

Some different perceptions: wind clamor diminishment functions admirably; resonation - I see this when shrieking (!) and I think it may happen due to the resound cancelation program!

I have the MyPilot remote and it's a decent device - however I'm not very beyond any doubt if the ZoomControl highlight on the guides is working viably - got the opportunity to try some more.

My recognition as of now is that I have to modify the clamor cancelation quality.

I'm waiting to get the iCom - irritating.

More later....

Tony

dleepenn When I got mine fit yesterday, one of the alternatives was to address the issue of resonation with same tone sounds that extend. My audiologist did not do anything with that setting and I've not had an issue. In any case, have just had dig for 24 hours up until this point. Be that as it may, I've been wearing them consistently.

I'm exceptionally inspired with these guides now. Am tending to the blue tooth coxcomb and the control unit.

Lee

Alias Originally Posted by itchyears

i have Exelia M BTE open fit models since 4/16 and just got the iCom. i thought i'd get the most recent HA that'll help me best. Yet, i'm not as cheerful as the general population in this discussion who got their Exelia M HA.

my inquiry to this discussion is... has any one seen resonation while recieving delayed sound of a similar recurrence (Exelia M open fit)? or, on the other hand your own particular voice vibrating as you talk? i saw this when i do a drawn out shriek in a similar tone or note?

is this a HA imperfection or my audiologist needs to reinvent them once more?

would it be a good idea for me to keep the iCom?

offer assistance!

I think I recognize what you're alluding to. I see a reverb with my microwave when it quits cooking. It beeps a long tone to tell me it's done and when it does that it the beep echoes a bit. I have seen it a couple of different circumstances with comparative long tones also. I said it to my audi when I saw him today. He didn't have any quick answers, so I'll catch up with him on that later.

So no, I don't believe it's simply you.

itchyears i have Exelia M BTE open fit models since 4/16 and just got the iCom. i thought i'd get the most recent HA that'll help me best. Be that as it may, i'm not as cheerful as the general population in this gathering who got their Exelia M HA.

my inquiry to this gathering is... has any one seen resonation while recieving drawn out sound of a similar recurrence (Exelia M open fit)? or, then again your own particular voice vibrating as you talk? i saw this when i do a drawn out shriek in a similar tone or note?

is this a HA imperfection or my audiologist needs to reinvent them once more?

would it be a good idea for me to keep the iCom?

offer assistance!

Alias I'm at present demoing Exelias with the myPilot and iCom. I'm really content with the BT execution so far. Sound quality is really great and the guests on the flip side say the sound quality is great too.

My cost out the entryway for everything is $5500 from my neighborhood audi.

I'm likewise going to test the Siemans Pure when they come in the not so distant future. After I test both I'll choose which ones I need to run with. En route I'll post my musings, and answer any inquiries, in the event that anybody has any.

dleepenn You've made my day.... I have those same guides on arrange with the Blue Tooth dandy and the control. I'm paying $6,000 for the guides and I thing around $700 for the dandy and the control as an additional. This is all by means of Hearing Planet and with a neighborhood Audiologist for the fitting and administration.

$8,000+ for those truly sounds like why individuals purchase from the Internet.... What's more, the Hearing planet plan of action gives you a nearby audiologist as well.

Lee

Mike F - London Have read every one of the postings and discovered Biggeek's generally educational. Go ahead Biggeek - give us a refresh please - You appear to be in front of us! How are you getting on with the full pack after your initail dissatisfaction?

Jacshe Hi there

I have recently been given a quote for $6590 for the Exelia (a days ago of a $800 discount in the event that you purchase a couple - and $4390 for the Audeo (with a $200 discount for the match)

modifying, cleaning, 3 years batteries provided - just for a long time, three years misfortune and warrenty repair

I discovered from the audiologists that there is a significant enormous distinctive between the sound change quality between the Exelia and the Audeo V.

The Audeo is great however does not have some circumstance alterations that an Exelia does - in the event that somebody amazingly unobtrusively whispers in one ear it won't take it as clamor yet both guides will cooperate to hear the whisper equitably. (At any rate that is the means by which I comprehended the clarification). In the event that you work in an office or you have heaps of gatherings, or are somewhat of a nerd you will value the Exelias highlights significantly more.

The Exelia has a dynamic hearing condition and will change in accordance with the settings you need. It has a whistleblock innovation. At that point it additionally has the Bluetooth on the off chance that you might want to utilize it with an IPOD, cellphone, portable workstation, TV, ect.

I was given a quote for what I was told is what might as well be called the Exelia - Epoq by Oticon - it was $7390 - the distinction in cost being no $800 discount.

May2008

Sparky I simply requested an arrangement of Phonak Exelia's with every one of the treats. Blutooth perfect, remote control, and so on. My out the entryway cost is $6625.00 with the two year warrantee, 60 day no charge return, full help and life-time free batteries. From my seeking on the net this is by all accounts an alright cost. I know there are less expensive approaches to go yet this item truly gives off an impression of being the feline's whimper in fact. I have a full home theather framework and ride a Harley so that ought to be a decent trial of these infants. I'll tell you.

TonyA ...and I've recently heard that the iCom is on backorder...don't know for to what extent. Possibly I'll bug Phonak with another email.

Salud,

Tony

TonyA Just got more specialized information on Exelia from Phonak - beyond any doubt would help if this was all the more promptly accessible, however they rushed to react to my inquiries in email.

1. The iCom streams to the portable amplifiers by means of the 10.6MHz inductive innovation (the guide does not need to be in a T program for this work so there will be no related t-loop buzz).

2. The iCom can be combined with up to 8 bluetooth gadgets

- the Bluetooth 1.2 utilizations an astounding A2DP sound convention

- Head set convention

- Hands free convention

- Data convention

3. Small scale USB B interface (USB 1.1)

4. The iCom has binaural stereo gushing to the listening devices.

5. iCom can be connected to gadgets that are not Bluetooth utilizing the provided coordinate sound info (DAI) rope.

Salud,

Tony

Gregory Crosby Im getting mine on Thursday and do not understand what's in store, these are the first for me and I am getting the Exelia M adaptation with every one of the extravagant accessories, they were going to you the ear form for in the canel yet however now have said I am getting the open one, might someone be able to give me a little insite.

Much obliged,

Gregory

allnew The most intense collector with 65 DB is not out yet. As of now Siemens has 45 and 55 DB recipients. For 65 DB the form is required, and this can influence the LF sounds. I attempted 55 DB open arch recipient, and the sound was awesome. We could get just 15 DB increase after the input cancelation was connected. Furthermore, this was not adequate for my listening ability misfortune.

Squeezer53 Thanks for the information..

From an innovation point of view,,,

Does my supposition that an all the more capable reciever may be better ready to put out the low frequencies I require? (w/o murdering my ears with the Mids & Highs)

Siemens Pure offers 3 diverse reciever controls however I don't know whether they are any great.

xbulder it will conceal to 100dbhl

xbulder Originally Posted by Squeezer53

xbldr -

Oticon has declared a Power rendition for the Epoq arrangement however has not posted any determinations for it (only pics in the leaflets). It has an alternate formed power arch, (I don't believe it's a tulip) or alternatively a miniaturized scale shape.

From the pics, It appears as though it is a greater, & I expect, all the more effective reciever, yet I have not possessed the capacity to discover what the real yield particulars & fitting extent would be for it.

Sent an email to the US Epoq item director asking for specs and accessibility, however oh dear, have not recieved an answer.

Would you have any assets for encourage data on the power Epoqs?

We know there is not a consistent or standart BTE rendition, it is a thin tube quite recently like phonak miniaturized scale control. Truly, on the off chance that it resembles the delta (which means) you require

a 9mm straight channel to make it. At that point you would not have the capacity to fit it with many individuals, That said . the fitting programming has a little video, you have to gauge the channel with an instrument to check whether you can fit a reciver in the trench.

For those (i assume guys) with expansive trenches it could be the bomb, yet i dont fit it will be for everyone.- Certainly, Oticon needs to present a customary bte (control) for vigo and epoq! Expectation they do this...

I dont see it happend till the finish of this current year, EUHA ....

Squeezer53 xbldr -

Oticon has declared a Power variant for the Epoq arrangement yet has not posted any particulars for it (only pics in the pamphlets). It has an alternate formed power arch, (I don't believe it's a tulip) or alternatively a small scale shape.

From the pics, It seems as though it is a greater, & I expect, all the more capable reciever, yet I have not possessed the capacity to discover what the real yield determinations & fitting reach would be for it.

Sent an email to the US Epoq item administrator asking for specs and accessibility, yet oh, have not recieved an answer.

Would you have any assets for encourage information on the power Epoqs?

xbulder i think you will like the exelia,

to terrible, oticon did not have a power form yet..

TonyA Interesting...so far Syncro's have been the best listening devices I've had - yet I'll report back on the Exelia.

xbulder Originally Posted by TonyA

Howdy folks - new part here. Awesome talk going on. I've had an assortment of amplifiers over ~15 years...and simply relinquishing Oticon Syncro's to attempt the Phonak Exelia's.

Inconvenience is there is next to no in the method for genuine specialized data - apparently most clients are not really even remotely actually proficient, but rather on the off chance that you are then they should believe we're dolts!

I see many individuals appear to expect that the iCom association with the guides is by means of t-curl, however my audi says it isn't...and I think I've seen one post that says it isn't. I would expect that the predetermined correspondence rate between the guides is likewise too high for t-curl.

Be fascinating to see more points of interest on the phone connect up. Right now I have a Bluetooth headset that I can simply make do with, yet a brisk press of the appropriate response call catch starts the voice dial component on the telephone - a basic element for me.

A past post said that music from the pc was excessively tinny - many pc's presently enable you to support diverse parts of the sound range, so take a stab at boosting the bass and check whether that makes a difference.

Getting the new machines in 2 weeks - would be speedier yet am headed toward the UK to see Mother!

Salud,

Tony

i never truly like the Sincro, the vast majority of my customers discovered them unfortable to wear night-time of utilization (i had dependably incline toward tego expert..)

Exelia ought to be an extraordinary jump forward for you! or, on the other hand on the off chance that you wish to utilize oticon

epoq is an awesome instrument to!

TonyA Hi folks - new part here. Incredible talk going on. I've had an assortment of portable hearing assistants over ~15 years...and simply relinquishing Oticon Syncro's to attempt the Phonak Exelia's.

Inconvenience is there is next to no in the method for genuine specialized data - apparently most clients are not really even remotely in fact proficient, but rather on the off chance that you are then they should believe we're simpletons!

I see many people appear to accept that the iCom association with the guides is through t-curl, yet my audi says it isn't...and I think I've seen one post that says it isn't. I would expect that the predetermined correspondence rate between the guides is likewise too high for t-curl.

Be fascinating to see more subtle elements on the phone interface up. Right now I have a Bluetooth headset that I can simply make do with, however a brisk press of the appropriate response call catch starts the voice dial system on the telephone - a basic component for me.

A past post said that music from the pc was excessively tinny - many pc's presently enable you to support distinctive parts of the sound range, so have a go at boosting the bass and check whether that makes a difference.

Getting the new machines in 2 weeks - would be snappier yet am set for the UK to see Mother!

Salud,

Tony

joesc [QUOTE=biggeek]Listening to music and other such stuff on my PC with a BlueTooth transmitter related with the iCom...The comes about are frustrating.

Excessively tinny, misshaped and insufficient base.

I would have liked to have the capacity to utilize the iCom/Exélia rather than my remote Bluetooth earphones on my TV and computer...And I was mixed up.

[QUOTE]

A debt of gratitude is in order for the survey. Sorry to learn about your disappointment with the Icom. Does that mean your disposing of the Exelia as I thought you said the significant reason you got it was for the bluetooth availability? Additionally, thinking about whether the ICom is secured under a similar merchandise exchange as the guide? Since it's not in fact part of the guide. Something you need to purchase particular.

adgraham I'd wagered that changes can be made to the amplifier to redress the sound? I positively wouldn't abandon the iCom without having this exchange with your fitter/audi first.

Subsequent to viewing my fitter/audi set my Naida hearing instruments up, it is astonishing how programmable these guides are. Almost everything is programmable or movable. I recall that you can build the general base by +3, or +6 (decibels?). I don't know whether this additionally applies to the iCom sound? The programming can undoubtedly be spoiled by ones that don't have a clue about the product like the back of their hand.

I am as yet planning to get my iCom for trial utilize soon. I additionally had the chance to tune in to an i unit quickly with an iCom and was extremely content with the sound (and furthermore attempted a wireless with extraordinary outcomes).

Jaw2000 Well, that was a not as much as stellar audit - however I am certain legitimate.

I had, in my short demo, a shining audit of the sound of music off the ipod.

I think about whether it's becuase my listening ability is basically shot, with the end goal that any stable is great sound.

I can state, that in the event that I can truly hear with both ears the telephone utilize will be an abolute favoring - no telephone works incredible for me now.

biggeek Listening to music and other such stuff on my PC with a BlueTooth transmitter related with the iCom...The comes about are disillusioning.

Excessively tinny, mutilated and insufficient base.

I would have liked to have the capacity to utilize the iCom/Exélia rather than my remote Bluetooth earphones on my TV and computer...And I was mixed up.

Since I don't claim a MP3 player...Which the iCom has an immediate attachment for, I can't assess that capacity.

In all honesty, I don't see myself utilizing the iCom over and over again if it's simply to pump PDA calls from my Blackberry into the Excelias. It's simply one more gadget to keep charged, which is a genuine annoyance.

I believe it's quite recently less demanding to purchase a superior telephone that is louder and more qualified for the hearing weakened.

allnew Hi elenaa,

My audiogram is like yours. I was not effective with Exelias, and needed to return them following 45 days of trials.

So I would have a few concerns in regards to the announcement that open fit will be an answer for you, as the one is compelling for individuals with gentle to direct high recurrence hearing misfortune. You will pick up something in normal between 15 to 25 DB, utilizing the open feet and after they apply the criticism cancelation. Is this adequate for your listening ability misfortune? I question.

A few micromolds for Exelia (for my situation with various openings) were not powerful: low freq. were blocked - not an open fit any longer, the sound was not extraordinary, in light of the fact that was assembled just from mid and hey freq. The discourse knowledge wasn't made strides. Be that as it may, the audiologist could bring the pick up to 55 DB with no input.

The "ordinary" shape, we attempted as a subsequent stage, improved the sound, and more characteristic. Yet at the same time didn't get the change the discourse acknowledgment. The frame element might be essential also - you can imaging the average size BTE with a major shape on you... Possibly custom in the ear listening device would be better.

I chose to impart my experience to you just to be better arranged for your dialogs with the audiologist.

elenaa Originally Posted by biggeek

Size and power are a major distinction. It's decent that you have a decision. I would have wanted to get the little Phonak Audéo, however my audiogram profile demonstrated that the minor Audéo's simply couldn't sufficiently direct vitality into my ears for my listening ability misfortune profile audiogram.http://www.hearingaidforums.com/atta...9&d=1205304710

Strange - my audiogram is like yours - i.e. in that it inclines a similar way. However the incline is not as steep so at 8k my listening ability is at like 80db. The other distinction is that at the lower frequencies I'm somewhat more hindered than you are - e.g. my chart begins at 20-25db at 250. This may be befuddling clarification however general I think I don't require as much power as you but then my audie said Audeo is more powerful....I'm confounded. In the event that my listening ability is somewhat better and the exelias are beneficial for you than they ought to be sufficiently effective for me..i must be missing somthing clearly yet not certain what.

Initially Posted by biggeek

Everything depends in the event that they fit your audiogram...Do they?

Actually, I would get some information about how your audiogram best fits either the Phonak Audéo or Exélia line...And whether you truly need the myPilot and iCom gadgets and their accommodation/extravagance enough to spend the majority of that additional money.http://www.hearingaidforums.com/atta...9&d=1205304710

Well - they don't know yet in the event that smaller scale Exelia fits....Re the Exelia M I was informed that it has marginally less capable than the Audeo. I expect the audie implied the lower frequencies however he said he's not stressed in regards to this since it would be an open fit?! So both Exelia M and Audeo would do as indicated by him - which is kinda wishy wahsy articulation. The power and some future change adaptability is more vital to me than the gadjets like icom and so forth. Nonetheless If all else is equivalent (paying little heed to value) I should seriously mull over the one with the gadjets. What questions do y'all propose I get some information about the audiogram and how it fits either HA to comprehend my choices better?

Much appreciated!

joesc Great that you at last got it. Keen on your interpretation of it. Post a few pics please!

Jaw2000 Mine is still about a week and change away, so any tips you have please send my direction.

The one I demo'ed (ipod just) sent to both guides - and the sound was unbelievable.

Thus, please either post or PM me points of interest - they may enable me to accelerate the expectation to learn and adapt.

Much obliged

biggeek Finally got the iCom on Tuesday! Yahoo!

I cleared out it to charge until Wednesday. It included yet another smaller than usual USB block charger unit like the myPilot.

(I've utilized a standard USB to smaller than normal USB link on my Win XP PC to charge the myPilot in the wake of informing it not to grumble concerning introducing particular drivers. My PC sees the iCom as a similar gadget when I connect a similar link to for charging.)

The iCom is roughly a large portion of the measure of the myPilot and about half as substantial. I certainly feel the heaviness of the iCom around my neck, however I believe it's something that could be get used to.

While I thought the vast silver segment in the front of the iCom was some kind of omnidirectional antennae...It's essentially a major catch to get/disregard telephone calls. Like a Star Trek - The Next Generation brooche communicator.

This is my first involvement with Bluetooth...So I had to do a touch of perusing and in addition trial/mistake to relate my iCom to my Blackberry.

More to come.

Alter: My correct assessment Excelia might be malfunctioning...Which might be the reason I'm accepting telephone call sound just by means of the left HA. Will require another couple days to make sense of this.

joesc That's a decent point, and would work if the TV was the wellspring of the sound. In any case, when you have a DVD player, DVR, and so on snared to a sound framework, that is an alternate story. Possibly I'll need to explore a sound framework with numerous speaker yields..

I understand I'm not the normal client. As I haven't gotten my guides yet, I don't know whether it would be an advantageous venture. The guides may be adequate that I wouldn't require the bluetooth. I like perusing the subtitling at any rate, there's entertaining stuff on there in some cases!

adgraham My TV (8 years of age) has all the more then one arrangement of sound out jacks. I think it is basic for more current television's to have all the more then one arrangement of sound out jacks.

joesc Originally Posted by audiogal

In the event that you connect to the sound out jack, other individuals will in any case have the capacity to listen. The earphone jack overrides the speakers.

My point precisely. On the off chance that you are tuning in with other individuals, there's now a speaker framework snared to the sound out jack. All things considered, for me at any rate. In any case, don't misunderstand me, this is as yet valuable for mp3 players or any gadget you utilize solo.

audiogal Originally Posted by joesc

The main issue with the bluetooth transmitters is that for a considerable measure of machines, TV or Radio, in the event that you connect to anything to the headphone jack the sound stops through the speakers. On the off chance that you're attempting to sit in front of the TV or tune in to the radio with other individuals, that won't work. Unless there's something uncommon about these transmitters, which I haven't seen.

On the off chance that you connect to the sound out jack, other individuals will at present have the capacity to listen. The earphone jack overrides the speakers.

joesc Originally Posted by adgraham

Best of all, you can purchase standard bluetooth stereo transmitters for around $50 so you can go remote from your TV, Radio, PC, or whatever with genuine stereo sound. In the event that you are sufficiently fortunate to purchase a few of these units, the conceivable outcomes are inestimable. (for work PC, home PC, television, and so on). I think they said the iCom can be combined up to 7? distinctive units with the phone taking need.

The main issue with the bluetooth transmitters is that for a considerable measure of apparatuses, TV or Radio, in the event that you connect to anything to the headphone jack the sound stops through the speakers. On the off chance that you're attempting to sit in front of the TV or tune in to the radio with other individuals, that won't work. Unless there's something unique about these transmitters, which I haven't seen.

adgraham I additionally attempted/demo'd the iCom for 5-10 minutes on April 29th. The rep said he just got his single unit (for demo) on Friday April 25th. I am as of now on a Naida trial. I don't think the iCom was 1/2" thick... Possibly more like 3/eighth thick. The wire/string that circumvents your neck is substantially more slender than the mylink wire/line with an enhanced connector.

I've utilized a smartlink (with mylink) and artone unit so the trial wireless call I made was not a noteworthy change over those. Be that as it may, the programmed highlights appear to make it advantageous. I likewise don't know as of now how well the iCom will remain associated or connected to the cellphone. My smartlink or my mobile phone tends to drop the bluetooth association every once in a while. My artone makes a decent showing with regards to remaining associated, yet the sound can get scratchy if there is any separation between the telephone and unit.

I connected to an iPod from the phonak rep and it was genuine pleasant. I at present utilize my smartlink with a mylink and the sound is mono to both ears when tuning in to music, or the TV. With music, this iCom was certainly a change.

I didn't attempt a TV so I don't know whether there is the sound defer grumbling you catch wind of from the epoqs however it should exchange information speedier to help dispense with or diminish this issue?

Best of all, you can purchase standard bluetooth stereo transmitters for around $50 so you can go remote from your TV, Radio, PC, or whatever with genuine stereo sound. On the off chance that you are sufficiently fortunate to purchase a few of these units, the potential outcomes are unfathomable. (for work PC, home PC, television, and so on). I think they said the iCom can be matched up to 7? distinctive units with the phone taking need.

Jaw2000 We'll see or I could gauge it. I can state that it went under my tie (typical width tie) and was almost (perhaps altogether) covered up, at around 1/2 route down from the neck.

I need to say it's in regards to 2" square and possibly 1/2" thick (yet I just had it on for around 5 mins).

Mine is slated to land in a week or 2.

joesc Jaw, would you be able to post photos of your ICom with something by if for examination? It would appear that a major gadget with only a clear front. Certainly looks a great deal greater than the Epoq streamer, for doing pretty much a similar thing.

Jaw2000 The dandy was shockingly light. I need to wear a cord with an assortment of identifications in any case, so maybe I am not by any stretch of the imagination feeling it, yet it fits and can the coxcomb itself vanishes under a tie or in a shirt stash (maybe).

Yes, I don't generally trust I was first - yet looking these discussions (this one and one other) I do ponder.

biggeek Originally Posted by elenaa

BG - appears as though you are playing around with the exelias! Pleasant updates!

You call this FUN??!!? It's a gigantic genuine annoyance to assess new portable hearing assistants!

Initially Posted by elenaa

My audi until further notice suggests sound or excelia M - any contemplations on aces/cons of one versus, the other? What are the principle contrasts other than size and power?

Size and power are a major contrast. It's pleasant that you have a decision. I would have wanted to get the little Phonak Aud

biggeek Originally Posted by Jaw2000

I demoed the Icom yesterday. I requested one on the spot - music was superior to anything I heard it in more than 30 years.

Cost was $300.

The gadget, for me, was captivating.

My audi (as indicated by the Phonak reps who were there), has the first on the east drift, and evidently I got the principal Naida Vs in the US (however I am certain that was BS).

Showing signs of improvement with every change - not flawless, but rather gradually opening more advantages/qualities "covered up" in the innovation.

Congrats on getting the new Nadia V show. Hey...Somebody must be first! (However, I think what your Audiologist says is just what their provincial Phonak deals director lets them know.)

Working with your audiologist and getting the layered changes are the way to an effective HA organization. Bravo!

How overwhelming was the iCom for you as a neck-worn dandy? Is it safe to say that it was sufficiently light to overlook that you were wearing it?

biggeek Originally Posted by Rogue NineCH

You observe the streamer to be prominent? It's entirely little IMO, thus far it presently can't seem to get in my direction when I'm working. I figure everyone has distinctive tastes.

I think I said that "Oticon Epoq Streamer doesn't have an a LCD Graphic User Interface."

The pleasant shading illuminated LCD and the substantial, round, instinctive catches are an or more for the myPilot remote control. On the off chance that you attempted to join them into an Oticon Epoq Streamer, alongside the bigger battery to control it all...You'd wind up with something similarly as expansive or bigger and overwhelming as the myPilot.

I need to say that I might NOT want to wear the myPilot as a neck fob...It's quite recently too substantial.

elenaa BG - appears as though you are playing around with the exelias! Decent updates!

My audi for the time being suggests audeo or excelia M - any musings on geniuses/cons of one versus, the other? What are the fundamental contrasts other than size and power?

Ah..and Anyone heard anything about the mico exelias? criticism? My audi specified they will be turning out in June..so I think about whether i have to sit tight for them... contemplations?

E.

Rogue NineCH Originally Posted by biggeek

Like I said earlier: The Oticon Epoq Streamer doesn't have an a LCD Graphic User Interface like the myPilot. The myPilot LCD Graphic User Interface is fundamental for giving the criticism to the Exelia's versatile programming.

I think I'd go cross-peered toward on the off chance that I needed to take a gander at a LCD Graphic User Interface on an accessory coxcomb six crawls from my face each time I needed to alter the settings.

Unquestionably, I might want both the Oticon Epoq Streamer and the Phonak iCom dandies to be littler and less obtrusive...But I certainly like having the different LCD GUI myPilot sort portable amplifier remote control.

Now...If Phonak/Oticon could make/permit their remote control programming so it could be utilized by means of any bluetooth-empowered cellphone...That would be amazing.

You observe the streamer to be prominent? It's entirely little IMO, thus far it presently can't seem to get in my direction when I'm working. I figure everyone has diverse tastes.

Jaw2000 I demoed the Icom yesterday. I requested one on the spot - music was superior to anything I heard it in more than 30 years.

Cost was $300.

The gadget, for me, was captivating.

My audi (as indicated by the Phonak reps who were there), has the first on the east drift, and evidently I got the principal Naida Vs in the US (yet I am certain that was BS).

Showing signs of improvement with every change - not immaculate, but rather gradually opening more advantages/qualities "covered up" in the innovation.

biggeek Originally Posted by xbulder

the should overhaul the icom to likewise serve as a remote control...just like the streamer

Like I said earlier: The Oticon Epoq Streamer doesn't have an a LCD Graphic User Interface like the myPilot. The myPilot LCD Graphic User Interface is vital for giving the criticism to the Exelia's versatile programming.

I think I'd go cross-peered toward in the event that I needed to take a gander at a LCD Graphic User Interface on a neckband dandy six crawls from my face each time I needed to alter the settings.

Surely, I might want both the Oticon Epoq Streamer and the Phonak iCom dandies to be littler and less obtrusive...But I unquestionably like having the different LCD GUI myPilot sort portable hearing assistant remote control.

Now...If Phonak/Oticon could make/permit their remote control programming so it could be utilized by means of any bluetooth-empowered cellphone...That would be great.

biggeek I got a call from my Audiologist this evening they have my iCom gadget.

I have an arrangement on May sixth that will at last tie the Exelia M BTE, MyPilot and iCom Bluetooth gadgets together.

I'm truly anticipating perceiving how the Bluetooth usefulness functions with my BlackBerry 8700c telephone, since it is a work-gave cell and has the most noticeably awful yield execution of any PDA I've ever possessed. BlackBerry telephones are shocking for the hearing impeded.

xbulder Originally Posted by biggeek

The iCom is a uninvolved gadget requiring a wire circle recieving wires to be worn around the neck to speak with the aids...And can be worn under your shirt.

I'd much rather subtly look at the myPilot of my pocket for a couple of tweaks...Looking simply like rapidly checking a little PDA/mp3 player...Than uncovering the iCom accessory coxcomb from my shirt before my face.

Possibly things will be better in one more decade!

the should update the icom to likewise serve as a remote control..

much the same as the streamer

biggeek Originally Posted by joesc

That sounds valuable, however not $450 helpful on top of the different $400 fetched for the ICom. I was somewhat trusting the Excelia would do what you're portraying consequently. I simply wish they'd incorporated the remote into the ICom as Oticon has now finished with their Streamer.

The iCom is an inactive gadget requiring a wire circle recieving wires to be worn around the neck to speak with the aids...And can be worn under your shirt.

I'd much rather inconspicuously look at the myPilot of my pocket for a couple of tweaks...Looking simply like rapidly checking a little mobile phone/mp3 player...Than uncovering the iCom jewelry dandy from my shirt before my face.

Possibly things will be better in one more decade!

biggeek Originally Posted by joesc

Great job biggeek! Extraordinary to see shopper activism in real life! Ideally you'll get your Icom soon. I put in my request for an Exelia a week ago, and I was told by my audi I wouldn't get my guides until the finish of May. Try not to believe it's a build-up on the guide, more like the audi office is amazingly occupied and don't have accessible appts until at that point. All things being equal, they said the Icom wouldn't be accessible with the guide, as they weren't going to get them until June.

What I adore about the Internet...It has reared another era of proactive, forceful buyers who request comes about!

I recommend routinely going by the blog: "The Consumerist: Shoppers Bite Back" http://consumerist.com/

joesc Originally Posted by biggeek

The voice zoom helps a lot specifically situations. When I go out for a stroll close by my Bro while he drives his child's stroller on the sidewalk...I can design the voice zoom toward him.

When I'm sitting over a moderately calm supper table with somebody, I can design the voice zoom toward them.

Once in a while "Discourse in Noise" works best contingent upon the situation. That is a best aspect regarding the Excelia's and the iPilot: You can pick what works best for you with a flick of the remote...And see what you are doing with the iPilot screen as opposed to jabbing your amplifier catches.

That sounds helpful, however not $450 valuable on top of the different $400 fetched for the ICom. I was somewhat trusting the Excelia would do what you're portraying naturally. I simply wish they'd incorporated the remote into the ICom as Oticon has now finished with their Streamer.

joesc Good work biggeek! Awesome to see buyer activism in real life! Ideally you'll get your Icom soon. I put in my request for an Exelia a week ago, and I was told by my audi I wouldn't get my guides until the finish of May. Try not to believe it's a build-up on the guide, more like the audi office is greatly occupied and don't have accessible appts until at that point. All things being equal, they said the Icom wouldn't be accessible with the guide, as they weren't going to get them until June.

biggeek Originally Posted by leky

Additionally might want to get notification from any individual who has the ipilot & has attempted the voice zoom work.

The voice zoom helps a considerable amount specifically situations. When I go out for a stroll close by my Bro while he drives his child's stroller on the sidewalk...I can design the voice zoom toward him.

When I'm sitting over a generally calm supper table with somebody, I can arrange the voice zoom toward them.

Now and again "Discourse in Noise" works best contingent upon the situation. That is a best aspect concerning the Excelia's and the iPilot: You can pick what works best for you with a flick of the remote...And see what you are doing with the iPilot screen as opposed to jabbing your portable hearing assistant catches.

biggeek I've been so disappointed about the guaranteed accessibility of the Bluetooth iCom coxcomb that not exclusively did I email (once more) Phonak's client bolster, however I depended on a BCC email "mass bomb" to the conceivable email locations of Phonak's CEO.

Dear Phonak,

I have been assessing a test combine Excelia M BTE for over a month from

***** while sitting tight for an iCom unit.

Presently they asserting that a Phonak delegate says that I can't have

an iCom for one more month.

Have iCom units really gone into creation? Since I have never at any point

seen an assessment unit, I think that its suspicious that my date to get

one has been push back a few times.

In case will spend over US$8k for the Phonak's untouchable

hearing aids...I expect better correspondence between you, the merchant,

what's more, my audiologist.

If you don't mind contact **** and speed up an iCom unit on my demand.

Genuinely,

*****

PS. I have been inspecting my assessment combine of Excelia M BTEs on-line

for near two months:http://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=1723

Two of the CEO's email emphasess didn't bounce...And I assume they really got to him, since I got an answer from a nearby Phonak rep rather than a nonexclusive client benefit rep.

I got the accompanying answer yesterday:

Dear *****

I am to a great degree sorry for the misconception concerning the iCom. If it's not too much trouble acknowledge my expression of remorse for the bother this has caused you. We have all been anticipating getting this embellishment, and we had been informed that they would be transporting in April. To date none of us on the deals or preparing staff has gotten one, yet I got an email today that expressed that the main shipment from Switzerland is en route. I have as of now messaged somebody in ******** to ensure you are at the highest priority on the rundown to get an iCom from the main shipment.

My domain is northern California and northern Nevada. ****** office is one of my records. I will be calling her in the morning to clear up any misconception. I really met with her at the beginning of today however I just gotten some answers concerning this issue this evening.

I really trust that your involvement with the listening devices has been a positive one. I have asked for that we expand any misfortune and harm approach that you have gotten by one year and your time for testing will be stretched out on our end once you get the iCom.

It would be ideal if you don't hesitate to get in touch with me specifically either by email or telephone. My home # is ******* and my cell is ********. I assume that we can resolve this to your total fulfillment. If it's not too much trouble don’t be worried about calling my home. I work from here and cell gathering is not generally the best.

Best respects,

******

I need to think about whether the Nor Cal Phonak agent will give my audiologist poop since I messaged the Phonak CEO with a customer punishing !

leky I just recovered an email from Phonak DE, (2 mins after I sent mine) & he says that the icom will be accessible in 2-4 weeks. I don't know whether they will send them worldwide as of now or just to Europe first.

leky I have an arrangement today & will check whether the my pilot and icom have arrived yet, my audiologist said a week ago that they were beginning to send them out, yet i don't know whether that truly genuine or not, at any rate will tell you tomorrow. I am additionally going to email phonak & check whether they will disclose to me anything.

joesc So have you at long last gotten an ICom to attempt with your guides? I've been told they won't be accessible until June at the most punctual?

biggeek BTW: The p13 GenX batteries for the Excelia M's are at last beginning to appear on the on-line sellers.

google "genx batteries listening devices"

biggeek Originally Posted by - mysterious -

Hi biggeek,

My Exelias M were apportioned to me nearly in the meantime as yours. My audiogram is extremely similat to your also. I am not exceptionally content with my combine up until this point, as after many calls to Phonak, my audiologist could't make them sound clear, and speach in clamor is as yet a major issue.

Would you be able to share, kindly you current experience.

Respects

Greetings! Happy to convey to another new Exelia M client.

I've had my audiologist change my Exelia M's four times more than two months of wear on a trail premise.

I wasn't inspired with the initial two tweaking sessions, however the truth of the matter is that I wasn't keeping my portable amplifiers on sufficiently long to get an adequate aural profile for them to adjust to.

The Exelia M's improve after some time.

To the extent my experience is concerned, the versatile "Discourse in-Noise" works truly well after some time. Be that as it may, as much as the Exelia M's need to adjust to you...You need to adjust to the Exelia M's.

For instance, my Brother took me to this gourmet burger joint in Mountain View not long after my third change: It was awful. The music was too boisterous, the group and foundation commotion was awful, yet I was as yet ready to hear him and carry on a discussion.

At last, I can just bring up that my loved ones can see the distinction in my oath comprehension...Even on the off chance that it isn't great.

Fare thee well!

leky Hi once more,

Has anybody actulally attempted the icom yet?? I will ideally get mine this evening and as the audiologist doesn't understand I am searching for a few hints, does it even need programming? likewise neglected to advise her to get the mypilot, yet I expect this will just take a few days to get once she calls Phonak. Additionally might want to get notification from any individual who has the ipilot & has attempted the voice zoom work.

Here's to you

leky Ok, a debt of gratitude is in order for the information, I additionally messaged Phonak & have printed the reaction that the icom is a "remain solitary" gadget & I will bring the email with me, alongside all the fitting directions as this lady doesn't appear to understand what she is doing, they predominantly manage Siemens & Oticon.

Httyuwmna, a debt of gratitude is in order for the offer however San Francisco is somewhat a long way from Heidelberg, Germany! I will be attempting the Oticon too, ideally the Audiologist (can't state audi, makes me think about an auto excessively!) will be more experienced with this as she has been to Oticon in Denmark for preparing.

httyuwma Are you considering the Epoq? I am in the Bay range and on the off chance that you need a few leads on great sensibly evaluated fitter PM me. Be that as it may, to make sure you know Kaiser is in my main three, alternate ones are in Fremont and Los Gatos.

adgraham I'm very sure that no shoe on the listening device is important for the Icom to work with the iCom. The Icom does not transmit by means of FM to the portable amplifier. It is some kind of programmed acceptance sort of thing that transmits sound remotely from the Icom to the listening device. I comprehend the iCom must be inside arms reach of the listening devices to make the association. It would be ideal if you understand that it doesn't utilize the telecoil either.

On the off chance that you are attempting to utilize a smartlink transmitter, you would require a FM shoe on the base of the Icom to get the transmitted signs. (or, on the other hand you could put 2 FM shoes on the portable amplifiers and sidestep the Icom through and through.

leky Hiya all,

Brisk inquiry on the Exelia, I have been informed that to utilize the icom you should have the fm shoe fitted to the amplifier, is this right? I am inclining towards the Oticon Epoq right now along these lines, yet I additionally speculate the audiologist has never fitted an Exelia! I at present have Widex Diva, which are only 4 years of age, however have broken 4 times now, never again!

Much appreciated

twocat_cph The Audie Told me that the Naida, the specialist proposed was excessively powerfull for my listening ability misfortune , and the Audie say that Exelia is ideal for my listening ability misfortune and furthermore disclosed to me i get the iCom and my pilot with both portable hearing assistants , so i am happy i dont require purchase the iCom in USA , however since its open healing facility here in Denmark , I need to see before i trust it , bec they are so costly i saw ..

Clever that Doctor recommended Naida and audie change , i attempted to ask her , her reasons however she did nt let me know in email . in any case, subsequent to perusing here and converse with phonak , I comprehend that i am hear too well to require the sound recoup alternative in naida ...

Dag Hi David

Initially Posted by David Gibson

Does the 675 truly convey more present? All zinc-air batteries are 1.4 v (generally) and the 675 is bigger so it hypothetically could have a higher stockpiling limit (kind of) It has more zinc for the zinc and oxygen electro-compound process, however the current or stream of power (draw or amperes) would be controlled by the listening device circuit?

Two numbers to consider: 1) Maximum pinnacle current (milliamps or mama); 2) Total power limit (milliamp-hours or mAh). They are firmly related. The pinnacle current is dictated by the size (range) of the anode and cathode, the positive and negative terminals. The bigger the anode and cathode, the higher the pinnacle current. Add up to limit is likewise identified with the extent of these terminals, and also the measure of electrolyte in the cell. Ordinarily, greater batteries will have higher appraisals for both numbers. The normal relationship is that of water in a hose. Volts is proportionate to weight, milliamps is identical to the stream rate (gallons every hour) and milliamp-hours is comparable to the aggregate sum of water you can get (gallons). Primary concern is that yes, a 675 cell will have both higher pinnacle present and greater limit.

I trust this makes a difference.

Dag

drtom Originally Posted by biggeek

2. Since this is another item, I saw the audiologist battling with the setup programming. She turned her screen towards me so I could perceive how she arranged the hearing aids...But she battled a bit. She didn't have an extra USB link prepared for the Phonak myPilot remote control.

I doubted her about what number of Excelia fittings she had done, and she pleasantly evaded the inquiry. She said had gone to a Phonak preparing course, yet I think I was her first.

As an audiologist, this makes me shiver...

Initially Posted by biggeek

3. After my audiologist associated my Excelia's to a unique base by means of little institutionalized connector connects worked to the aids...She entered in my listening ability test profile diagram into the amplifier arrangement programming, a point-and-snap prepare on a lattice, to program the Excelia.

Amid the procedure, I saw a "volume" window which was marked "New User" to "Cutting edge." My arrangement was quite recently above "New User."

I need to think about whether they keep the volume low just to have clients returned every week finished the 30-day assessment period...And raise the volume each opportunity to make the hallucination of an enhanced design.

No, trust me, this is not the situation. Hearing dislike vision, you can't just turn everything on to the max and have most patients endure it exceptionally well. Most must be steered into it. That being stated, I most likely would have begun you out at "Cutting edge" and watched how you dealt with it.

Initially Posted by biggeek

6. The audiologist empowered three programming alternatives on the Excelia's: "Programmed" which is some kind of versatile program, "Discourse in Noise" and "Solace in Noise."

There are numerous more programming choices...

Some portion of the showcasing I assume is, once more, empowering more choices with every assessment visit to urge purchasers to keep the amplifiers.

Once more, I think you are being excessively paranoid notion. The thought behind not including an excessive number of projects is that you would prefer not to overpower the patient - who is as of now dealing with a considerable measure of new solid - with remembering precisely what program setting to be in constantly.

You appear like a pretty in fact arranged individual, so you presumably wouldn't have had quite a bit of an issue with having more dynamic extravagant accessories, however a great many people would for sure have an issue.

Besides, if the audiologist was new too the product (once more, I am shivering at the idea), at that point he/she won't not have known to alter the projects somewhat better.

Initially Posted by biggeek

7. The remote-control is pleasantly convenient...But not worth the $6-8k for the choice.

I'm not astounded you feel along these lines. A large portion of Phonak's listening devices are sufficiently shrewd that remote's aren't vital. Not very many of my patients choose them since they consider it to be simply one more thing to bear.

According to your later posts, I'm happy you are doing great with the gadgets. Good fortunes with whatever remains of the trial.

biggeek Originally Posted by hearnow

I likewise don't trust the t-loop is utilized for remote usefulness as the chip in charge of the body region arrange (One of 3 double center chips in the CORE stage) has it's own particular advanced enlistment antena versus the simple curl utilized for t-loop.

Much obliged to you for that goody.

For me, at any rate, it has been hard to discover something besides Phonak showcasing prattle about the CORE stage. I've seen no specialized specs or more point by point breakdown of the innovation by any stretch of the imagination.

David Gibson I don't have the foggiest idea. I believe they're every one of the 1.4v, yet in the event that people more astute than me prescribe a particular battery than they should know something. Unless there is something other than what's expected about their zinc. I do realize that the oxygen impetus has gotta be the same.

I am the notorious "Questioning Thomas".

Such a large amount of what we simply with the exception of as truth is really advertising.

hearnow We'll I get it must have the capacity to convey more pinnacle current (conveyed all the more reliably) as Power gadgets additionally require this for the measure of increase required (not only Phonak's remote innovation). The battery's pinnacle present as I undestand it is teh constraining variable concerning how much pick up and MPO can be accomplished from a gadget. Clearly the 675 battery in the Naida must fall inside Phonaks specs of 1.45 generally the remote would not have worked. 675 batteries for the most part last very little longer than 13 batteries when utilized as a part of a Powerdevice (they do have more accessible charge put away, however the pinnacle should then be higher). I am cheerful to be adjusted on the off chance that I have this wrong however.

David Gibson Originally Posted by hearnow

The Exelia utilizes a size 312 (for ITC's) and estimate 13 GenX (for ITE/BTE's) that conveys more present. The Naida utilizes a standard size 675 as it as of now conveys more present.

Does the 675 truly convey more present? All zinc-air batteries are 1.4 v (generally) and the 675 is bigger so it hypothetically could have a higher stockpiling limit (kind of) It has more zinc for the zinc and oxygen electro-compound process, yet the current or stream of power (draw or amperes) would be dictated by the amplifier circuit?

hearnow So it's all occurrence Monday. I'm certain you are exceptionally left at this point. Might you be able to ask your audi, when she has heard the iCom being discharged?

Good fortunes and have a great time!

JennyB Alright, I think if both my guides balanced in the meantime I would go insane! hahaha I frequently set them in various projects or volume levels relying upon the circumstance. My correct ear is somewhat superior to one side, and truly has been MUCH superior to one side. It is more used to hearing sounds, and manages them better. A lot of sound in my left ear makes me insane LOL so in a few circumstances I will set the volume lower, or place it into a diminished foundation commotion program.

Sadly my guides (even my Savia Arts) are too noisy for me to wear only one. I feel reeling when I do.

A debt of gratitude is in order for the information, I will make a not to get some information about that on Monday!

hearnow Is there an approach to alter them independently? I am getting Naidas on Monday and I know they have a similar element. When I utilize my FM however I just like it on in my correct guide, and I set my left guide to ‘Speech in noise’. Essentially I am stating that I have to set them to various projects at times and I am thinking about whether that will at present be perhaps with the Naida...I am accepting it is a similar innovation/highlight with both the Excelia and Naida.

JennyB, The best way to do as such would be for your aud to kill Quicksync for programs under amplifier choices (you can at present have the volume balanced in both in the meantime). This will enable you to alter each guide to an alternate program, yet you at that point need to do this eveytime you modify programs utilizing the guide's installed control. On the off chance that you had the myPilot, this would change the projects in both guide all the while, yet then enables you to alter volume separately. Expectation this bodes well.

JennyB “9. The Excelia's do speak with each other by means of their inherent t-coils...So on the off chance that you push the program catch on one listening device (and not utilize the remote control) it conveys the change on the other. A decent detail I was absent on my Widex in-the-ears where I needed to jab each listening device catch to facilitate the settings. It's an unobtrusive change than can be camouflaged by one swipe to one ear for the individuals who are vain about changing their portable amplifier modes.”

Is there an approach to change them independently? I am getting Naidas on Monday and I know they have a similar component. When I utilize my FM however I just like it on in my correct guide, and I set my left guide to ‘Speech in noise’. Essentially I am stating that I have to set them to various projects some of the time and I am thinking about whether that will at present be conceivably with the Naida...I am accepting it is a similar innovation/highlight with both the Excelia and Naida.

“I'm astounded about how proactive and forceful I must be with these audiologists. For hell's sake, even my optometrist/optician wouldn't give me a chance to leave the workplace with an ineffectively balanced arrangement of glasses.”

I am sad you are having a terrible involvement with your audiologist. I have had what's coming to me of shocking audiologists, fortunately my present audiologist is a SAINT! She is fabulous, she tunes in to me and is more than willing to spend the length of she needs to making acclimations to make the guides as flawless as they can be for me. In the event that you aren’t content with your audie, and you feel just as it is blocking your capacity to test the listening devices, and hindering you getting full advantage from the amplifiers, locate another audiologist.

hearnow The Exelia utilizes a size 312 (for ITC's) and estimate 13 GenX (for ITE/BTE's) that conveys more present. The Naida utilizes a standard size 675 as it as of now conveys more present.

wanart Hi,

Is there something drastically unique about the battery utilized as a part of the Naida in Australia than there is in the U.S.? Hearnow alluded to a GenX battery. Here in the U.S. it is a typical 675 battery.

hearnow Phonak Australia has exhorted that the iCom ought to be accessible towards the finish of April 08 (we have a tendency to get things around 2 weeks after the USA) as they were sitting tight for the AAA to discharge it. So ideally your hold up won't be long.

To the extent the GenX battery is concerned, you can in any case utilize all the Core innovations less remote with a standard battery. The explanation behind the expanded load is the remote innovation transmitting at 320 kbit/s contrasted with the Epoq's 120kBit/sec. The quicker transmision speed permits elements, for example, ZoomControl (4 mouthpiece exhibit - 2 on each guide) and Bluetooth sound by means of TV immediately (as experienced with the Epoq setup).

I additionally don't trust the t-curl is utilized for remote usefulness as the chip in charge of the body range arrange (One of 3 double center chips in the CORE stage) has it's own particular computerized enlistment antena versus the simple loop utilized for t-curl.

biggeek Originally Posted by joesc

It's a disgrace regardless you haven't gotten your iCom dandy yet. I'd say that is the significant motivation to get these sort of helps. Albeit, now that I've explored them more, it appears you need to likewise get an exceptional more costly battery to try and empower the bluetooth capacities on the guide.

Much obliged and keep us refreshed!

Nearing the finish of March and STILL no iCom dandy. My assessment period has been expanded uncertainly until the point that Phonak can send one to me.

Since the bluetooth usefulness is contained inside the iCom coxcomb and afterward transmitted by means of acceptance to the guides t-coils...Bluetooth likely isn't specifically in charge of the updated (1.45v versus 1.3v) batteries...Phonak's CORE (Communication Optimized Real-sound Engine) chipset most likely is.

joesc Thanks, I have nearly a similar misfortune.

Since I've worn ITE helps for so long (very nearly 10 years now), I figure I'm utilized to them. I'll need to research the impediment on the new guides, however I've discovered that having the audiologist make the vent openings greater assists with me.

It's a disgrace regardless you haven't gotten your iCom dandy yet. I'd say that is the real motivation to get these sort of helps. Albeit, now that I've examined them more, it appears you need to likewise get an exceptional more costly battery to try and empower the bluetooth capacities on the guide.

Much appreciated and keep us refreshed!

biggeek Originally Posted by joesc

Incredible audit biggeek. It's odd that your audiologist would set up your portable amplifiers as another client, since you'd clearly had helps some time recently. In the event that I had seen that, I would have advised her to transform it immediately.

I'm stunned about how proactive and forceful I must be with these audiologists. For hell's sake, even my optometrist/optician wouldn't give me a chance to leave the workplace with an ineffectively balanced arrangement of glasses.

Initially Posted by joesc

I'd be intrigued to know why you ran with BTE, as they do have ITE Elevia's with bluetooth capacity. Likewise on the off chance that you considered the Epoq helps, which are bluetooth fit (by means of a Streamer also).

Two reasons why I dumped my Widex ITEs:

1. The impediment impacts were quite recently excessively solid at the volume I required them set to.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEB3HRwP6t0

2. I discovered I experienced genuine difficulty getting used to having the ITE packed in my ear throughout the day. I was ALWAYS mindful that I was wearing portable hearing assistants. The BTE earpieces are so agreeable I overlook that they're in by any means.

Initially Posted by joesc

Last, if its all the same to you sharing your listening ability misfortune eval, we'd welcome it. Much obliged!

I'm up 'til now new to the organization of doing this, so I just examined my listening ability eval and it ought to be accessible underneath.

biggeek Here's refresh number two! I went in for a modification and assessment today.

To begin with thing the audiologist did was reprimand me for just wearing the portable amplifiers around 40 hours this last week. How can she know? The versatile program in the portable amplifiers monitors to what extent the listening devices are fueled up and in what mode, and the audiologist can get to that information. As such, my Excelias squealed on me.

Next, the audiologist turned up the volume to the progressed/most elevated setting. Much better. My dialect appreciation/acknowledgment has shot up, and I'm presently really turning the Excelias volume down a bit.

I'm getting significantly more higher recurrence sounds through both ears now. Albeit some of it is tinny and misshaped, it's pleasant to hear more beeps and alarms from the PCs at work.

Suffice to state that with the changes I'm MUCH more joyful with the Excelias than when I initially got them.

No iCom coxcomb is accessible for me starting at yet, which is disillusioning. Possibly one week from now.

What's more, as Jaw2000 proposed will get the audiologist to consent to another arrangement stretching out the assessment time frame to give me squirm space to attempt the Nadias on the off chance that I don't discover the iCom coxcomb altogether improves proprietorship.

joesc Great survey biggeek. It's odd that your audiologist would set up your portable hearing assistants as another client, since you'd clearly had helps some time recently. On the off chance that I had seen that, I would have advised her to transform it immediately.

I'd be intrigued to know why you ran with BTE, as they do have ITE Elevia's with bluetooth capacity. Additionally in the event that you considered the Epoq helps, which are bluetooth proficient (by means of a Streamer too).

Last, if its all the same to you sharing your listening ability misfortune eval, we'd value it. Much obliged!

Jaw2000 Great audit.

I have the Naidas as I have definitely specified.

I don't think the remote will offer the same number of focal points as it should offer you - I think one great one however is the supersede of the correspondence between the 2 helps - you can tweak the volume to a particular setting - in a manner of speaking.

My audi needed to call Phonak 4 times - in my 3 visits - the product is evidently new and diverse.

I saw the new bad habit number of years utilizing choice as well, and I have labor for a long time so she set mine on the last setting - and it makes a significant distinction in general hearing.

I will attempt to see the other fundamental choices and make note of them if the open door is there, this for things other than adjusting.

In my first week, I heard flying creatures however not consoles or strides or paper - the last things a disturbance, in week 2 I got every one of them and now after visit 3 the last things are sensible - as in there yet more regular rather than exceptionally increased.

Do give it time and don't dither to hand them over - however in the meantime 30 days may not be sufficient time to completely build up the things to your necessities or needs. I'd not waver to request an expansion on the off chance that you think they are helping, I should get a discourse test as well, however I am sitting tight for visit 5 (when I get my new forms), that way I am all the more completely balanced and they are all the more completely tuned to my necessities.

Keep us educated, play with the remote and do tell me more about the icom on the off chance that you ever get one! I am really amped up for that part of this (with the exception of the dorky look or wearing it). As, I just got another ipod touch, and I am told I can utilize it headphones free with the icom - that would be extremely invited.

biggeek PS.

The p 13 GenX batteries required by the Phonak Excelia M's are just produced by the European organization Power One and by Rayovac.http://www.rayovac.com/hearing/extreme.htm

biggeek I figure I'm going to shot rundown this to keep it sorted out.

1. The whole bundle with the little behind-the-ear outline and the open fitting earpiece is comfortable to the point that I overlook I'm wearing it. Such a great amount of superior to my past in-the-ear portable hearing assistants. This is likely a "duh" perception to any individual who has thought about both behind-the-ear and in-the-ear amplifiers.

2. Since this is another item, I saw the audiologist battling with the arrangement programming. She turned her screen towards me so I could perceive how she designed the hearing aids...But she battled a bit. She didn't have an extra USB link prepared for the Phonak myPilot remote control.

I doubted her about what number of Excelia fittings she had done, and she pleasantly evaded the inquiry. She said had gone to a Phonak preparing class, however I think I was her first.

3. After my audiologist associated my Excelia's to an extraordinary base by means of little institutionalized connector connects worked to the aids...She entered in my listening ability test profile chart into the portable hearing assistant design programming, a point-and-snap handle on a matrix, to program the Excelia.

Amid the procedure, I saw a "volume" window which was marked "New User" to "Cutting edge." My design was recently above "New User."

I need to think about whether they keep the volume low just to have clients returned every week finished the 30-day assessment period...And raise the volume each opportunity to make the deception of an enhanced setup.

4. At the point when my audiologist first fitted my Excelias, she asked me how I heard her voice. By and by, I discovered little contrast.

I heard more upper-extend points of interest like the stirring of paper, the snaps of a console, or the peeps of birds...But they're tinny and fake. I likewise hear them just in my correct ear, which either might be an element of change or that my left ear is quite recently more harmed than my privilege.

5. I don't think my dialect appreciation has enhanced excessively. We might find in the subsequent when they increment the volume.

6. The audiologist empowered three programming alternatives on the Excelia's: "Programmed" which is some kind of versatile program, "Discourse in Noise" and "Solace in Noise."

There are numerous more programming choices...

Some portion of the promoting I assume is, once more, empowering more choices with every assessment visit to urge shoppers to keep the listening devices.

7. The remote-control is pleasantly convenient...But not worth the $6-8k for the alternative.

8. The Excelia's don't have Bluetooth inherent. The Bluetooth usefulness is in the wearable iCom dandy (which is put in a raincheck for and I don't have an assessment unit until next week.)http://www.exelia.phonak.com/fileadm...ories/iCom.jpg

The iCom arranges Bluetooth interchanges (and furthermore FM signals by means of an extra segment) and transmits the data through the wire circle "accessory" which is grabbed by means of acceptance through the Excelia's worked in t-loops/Tele-curls. (alter: According to Hearnow: "I additionally don't trust the t-curl is utilized for remote usefulness as the chip in charge of the body zone arrange (One of 3 double center chips in the CORE stage) has it's own particular computerized acceptance antena versus the simple loop utilized for t-loop.")

9. The Excelia's do speak with each other by means of their implicit t-coils...So in the event that you push the program catch on one listening device (and not utilize the remote control) it conveys the change on the other. A pleasant detail I was absent on my Widex in-the-ears where I needed to jab each portable amplifier catch to arrange the settings. It's an unobtrusive change than can be camouflaged by one swipe to one ear for the individuals who are vain about changing their listening device modes.

By and by, I believe it's a pleasant change as opposed to poking the in-the-ear catches on both sides of my head.

first week assessment: Unless I show signs of improvement talked word cognizance on week 2 and additionally some respectable PDA joining with the iCom...The cost/advantage bend is too little and I restore the suckers.

However...There's as yet the 2-3-4 weeks left in my assessment period where my audiologist additionally tinkers with the earpieces (open versus shut), behind-the-ear tubes (small scale versus substantial) and gadget volume.

I will refresh after the following arrangement!

Salud!

joesc biggeek, I trust we didn't drive you away here. I'm certain bunches of individuals are anticipating your audit on the Exelia!

elenaa FAir enough, says thanks to Jaw! I'm getting my work done now - that is the reason I aked. )

joesc Biggeek, I'm additionally in the SF Bay Area, and would be keen on your involvement with the bluetooth spilling of these guides. And additionally general sound quality. Additionally, have you looked at the Epoq? If not, why not?

Just to tell you, Kaiser has the guides for 2900 each, excluding the iCOM. So that may be a possibility for you if conceivable.

biggeek Originally Posted by Admin

They require the Power One X battery, which is a 1.45v battery, generally, the remote capacities won't work. I will post this as a fundamental post in the battery zone later.

Possibly it's the manner by which I'm parsing my google seeks, or maybe it's that those batteries are not in wide retail circulation at the present time, but rather I'm having a fallen angel of a period attempting to find an on-line retailer of the Power One p 13 GenX.

biggeek Originally Posted by elenaa

Biggeek & Jaw

Well leading sad for hopping into your tread uninvited. I ought to likely present myself - I'm new at this - really getting first listening devices, so can't be exceptionally useful, however I'm certain you can be to me. So I needed to ask a couple of things:

Enormous Geek - would you say you are utilizing SaviaArt right now? Provided that this is true, which sort and what is your impression for the most part? Why did you choose to get excelias? Why showed improvement over the naida's?

Welcome.

I was in reality initially suggested a Widex Senso Diva SD-XM in-the-ear ( http://www.widexusa.com/b1l.php ) , which I wound up frustrated with as far as beforementioned impediment impacts. I discovered later that the model was insufficient for my listening ability misfortune bend.

The Exelia M will be my first behind-the-ear hearing aid...So I'm somewhat in a comparable situation as you are encounter insightful. Return after Monday, March third and I'll post my underlying impressions.

Fare thee well!

Jaw2000 I trust the value distinction between the Excelia and the Naida V (there is a Naida III as well), is generally $1100 (for 2 helps).

One can't in accordance with some basic honesty think about the 2 models as they are for various sorts of misfortune.

Admin Although the Exelia and Naida items seem comparable, there are a few contrasts, for example, the way that the Naida does not have the zoom control include.

What's more, purchasers will see a tremendous contrast in cost between the two, with Exelia being considerably higher, on the grounds that the net cost to distributors and audiologists are significantly higher on the Exelia versue the Naida.

Therefore, $8,000 or so for the full combo of 2 Exelia's, Icom and MyPilot would not be not feasible. Indeed, in many markets, it will most likely wind up being significantly higher.

The Exelia additionally does some mixing of modes/programs, which is not the same as the Savia Art, which just picked one unmistakable mode (between quiet, discourse in clamor, comfort in commotion and music), while the Exelia will mix between 2 programs, in this way decreasing the perceptible "movements" that clients hear while moving starting with one clamor condition then onto the next.

With respect to whether the preparing happens when signals are consolidated, for example, in the Epoq, I don't know. However, the Exelia transmits a considerable measure of data and quick, in this manner they do require an exceptional battery.

They require the Power One X battery, which is a 1.45v battery, generally, the remote capacities won't work. I will post this as a principle post in the battery range later.

xbulder i saw the excelia introduction, and it has some program mixing...

what i didn't listened, and i think im mixed up..

is

1) somebody in the discussion said it needs an uncommon battery-is this privilege?

for the instruments of the icom or for both

2) exelia does not trade data for handling right?

significance utilizing the remote abilities to sinc directionality pressure, clamor decrease between ears right? -

Jaw2000 Just a fast note, I realized today that my audi charges $3k per for the Excelia.

This does not consider that the purchaser gets $500 off on a couple.

In any case, with the numbers that I am mindful of basically a reasonable cost for what you are getting for $8k ought to be around $6k (helps); $400 ipilot and $350 icom.

That would be $6750, short $500 which is almost $2k less.

I am not attempting to improve this into mine is than yours - not under any condition, I simply prefer not to see individuals get exploited.

Good fortunes - I seek these work after you, I am anticipating adapting more about icom.

Jaw2000 First off, it's not my string - but rather that is alright as well. I simply prefer not to see people exploited.

I did a considerable measure of home work, I got another hearing test, and I went to 2 neighborhood audiologists for proposals and in addition going to Genesis Hearing labs.

Normally every one of the 3 suggestions were distinctive and each placed me in a NON significant hearing misfortune help.

Costs were additionally everywhere.

Along these lines, I attempted the Genesis item, and it was underpowered for me - was not an agreeable fit, and I started accomplishing more homework, one of the 3 had recommended that I might need to attempt the Naida - however that it was not out yet.

I discovered my old audiologist (she had migrated toward the west drift). She was/is a normal and unprejudiced conclusion - JUST WHAT I NEEDED!

She likewise proposed that alternate models were all great, yet maybe not sufficient for my necessities (Profound misfortune).

In this way, when my defacto audiologist called and said she had a couple of Naidas for me to attempt - well I seized the shot.

They are not flawless, none are, once in a while I don't know whether they are even any superior to anything what I had some time recently, yet I am still in the time for testing, and I think I will be keeping them.

Wish I could reveal to you all the more, however that is it. for me.

elenaa Biggeek & Jaw

Well leading sad for hopping into your tread uninvited. I ought to most likely present myself - I'm new at this - really getting first portable amplifiers, so can't be exceptionally useful, yet I'm certain you can be to me. So I needed to ask a couple of things:

Huge Geek - would you say you are utilizing SaviaArt as of now? Provided that this is true, which sort and what is your impression for the most part? Why did you choose to get excelias? Why showed improvement over the naida's?

Jaw2000 - Did you consider different brands/models? On the off chance that yes why did you choose the naidas?

Much appreciated such a great amount for your criticism!

Jaw2000 No question there are a considerable measure of shams in the business.

I am in the DC rural areas so typical cost for basic items savvy, I think our costs ought to be comparible.

The Naida is the sister to what you are getting, yet it was estimated (to me) generally $600 - or something like that, more than the guide it supplanted. It has a portion of an indistinguishable advances from what you are getting.

I put the savia craftsmanship cost in there and also I accept that your new guides are the "substitution" for them - so the cost in the event that it was/is to go higher should at present be in the ballpark.

See, do attempt them, ideally they will be a noteworthy change, yet there is just no chance, that I'd pay that much for any guide - unless it gave me 100% normal hearing again - and that ain't happening.

Good fortunes

biggeek Originally Posted by Jaw2000

You are getting hosed, regally.

I have a couple of Naidas, $4400, including 200 batteries, new forms, 3 years repair/misfortune.

I can get the iCOM for $350, and the MyPilot for $400.

I know they are not the same, so for reference, I can get from the same audi (and this is a nearby audi in a high lease enormous city), the Savia Art for $5200 match, BTE.

I know yours are the most current, and summon a premium, however I rehash, YOU ARE GETTING HOSED, ROYALLY.

Where are you found?

I'm situated in San Francisco.

I value the input from you and the others...That's one reason why I enrolled and posted this string.

I haven't seen any audits of the Exelia M's up until now, and this will be one...When I get them and have an opportunity to attempt them.

Is it a colossal sham? Indeed, it's the front line of Phonak's line...Of course it is. So is purchasing an Apple iPhone or a MacBook Air.

To be perfectly honest, with my encounters with Widex...The whole portable amplifier industry is one enormous sham.

Regardless, my charge card "buy" is only a 30-day evaluation...Which I mean to catch up with in this string. On the off chance that I don't care for the Exelia M...I'll return it and it's no major ordeal.

Once more, I value everybody's information. I'll certainly raise the Savia Art and the Naida when I get fitted with the Exelia M.

Here's to you!

biggeek

elenaa I concur with the other two people. I've done some examination too - look at hearingplanet.com - you can get excelia Vs for 4200 (w/o the additional ringers - with them looks like 5K). For the additional 3K you are paying you ought to get fittings forever

Jaw2000 You are getting hosed, illustriously.

I have a couple of Naidas, $4400, including 200 batteries, new shape, 3 years repair/misfortune.

I can get the iCOM for $350, and the MyPilot for $400.

I know they are not the same, so for reference, I can get from the same audi (and this is a neighborhood audi in a high lease enormous city), the Savia Art for $5200 match, BTE.

I know yours are the most up to date, and summon a premium, however I rehash, YOU ARE GETTING HOSED, ROYALLY.

Where are you found?

xbulder that is a LOT OF MONEY.....

ed121 good sorrow! Golly Gee! Just $8000. I could purchase a decent utilized auto for that sort of batter. Go to Europe, take a get-away in the Islands, purchase 16 iPhones for that sum.

Maybe these guides are precious stone encrusted with strong gold cases?

By the way I have a pleasant extension in Brooklyn, NY I'll offer you for that sum. Ed

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