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"official" Oticon Dual Thread

2009-05-20 21:08:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  blackmamba
I have seen this done on other Equipment Forum Sites not identified with this site . This can work extremely well in shielding related strings from being scattered and rehashed everywhere . Clearly this could be a genuine help to those new to the Hearing Aid Forum .

As of this date the DUAL is another line of Oticon listening devices . By doing different inquiries on this site you can or may not discover the data you are searching for . Maybe the "Authority" OTICON DUAL THREAD could be an incredible beginning stage in finding the data you need ? I see one brand specifically the "Phonak Yes" has alot of data on the Hearing Aid Board.

Got some new Duals ? Post em here.

Attempting some new Duals ? Post em here.

Need some contribution on Duals ? Post it here.

You Love Your Duals ? Post it here.

"You Love Your Duals" however they ought to be helping out you ? By God ! You can discuss it here !

I will begin it off with a warm Hello . I just as of late obtained an arrangement of Dual Connect XW's.

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mga12 Sorry this took so long to return to! The audi did in fact settle the guides so each of the 4 programs are accessible. What's more, the remark that the volume might be pushed to the limit was kind of correct...there is all the more, however the product set the streamer to as far as possible up - he couldn't see an approach to transform it so I had him give me more volume on one of the projects so I could back it off and have some space to change.

Following a little while, I truly like the guides, yet see that the BT/Streamer is somewhat terrible. I utilize it now for volume and program change and overlook the BT -

Much obliged again for all the assistance!

mga12 We more likely than not missed something - the streamer is connected....BT works with telephone - the empowered part might be an extra setting? I will chat with the audi today...Thanks for the answer and pointer!

rasmus_braun Originally Posted by mga12

Hello all! I have been perusing this gathering for two or three years on and off yet have never posted....so I apologize ahead of time on the off chance that I have posted inaccurately!

I have worn HAs for a long time and the last match was in the ear (molds) made by Oticon - going on 7 years now. Streamer was waste, yet the guides had 3 programs and were awesome. One as of late went bad....so the short story is my sister had an arrangement of Dual XW RITE helps that she quit utilizing - VA issued to her in 2011 w/streamer. Since the cost was correct, I thought I would get them fit to me.

My audiologist took every necessary step, however revealed to me they had just a single program....my sister says they had (she thought) 3 yet she just utilized 2 - that was the principle explanation behind the streamer. Another peculiarity, the streamer will just crank the volume down - my old one raised and brought down the volume. Does any of this sound like it is conceivable? I was truly seeking after 2 programs....and volume control.

I am thinking about proceeding onward to new guides, yet these, with several projects and some control would be nice....

Much appreciated in Advance!

With the Streamer associated and empowered in the product, you can have up to 4 programs. Without it, there's just a single program accessible. With respect to the volume control, maybe you're as of now at the greatest yield of the collector and it won't go up any higher.

mga12 Hi all! I have been perusing this discussion for a few years on and off yet have never posted....so I apologize ahead of time on the off chance that I have posted mistakenly!

I have worn HAs for a long time and the last match was in the ear (molds) made by Oticon - going on 7 years now. Streamer was junk, yet the guides had 3 programs and were awesome. One as of late went bad....so the short story is my sister had an arrangement of Dual XW RITE helps that she quit utilizing - VA issued to her in 2011 w/streamer. Since the cost was correct, I thought I would get them fit to me.

My audiologist took every necessary step, however disclosed to me they had just a single program....my sister says they had (she thought) 3 yet she just utilized 2 - that was the primary purpose behind the streamer. Another peculiarity, the streamer will just crank the volume down - my old one raised and brought down the volume. Does any of this sound like it is conceivable? I was truly seeking after 2 programs....and volume control.

I am thinking about proceeding onward to new guides, yet these, with two or three projects and some control would be nice....

Much obliged in Advance!

gatownsend Thanks seb,

I didn't expect a reaction in the other string - presumably shouldn't have even said it there. When I found that particular remark in this string I chose to explicitly ask here. I wish I would have discovered this board before I acquired my last set quite a long while prior - there is an abundance of data and experience here that is truly useful.

Best,

Gary

seb Gary,

I addressed your inquiry on the other string, be that as it may, something else you can do to stop the hair clamor is to get some Hearing Aid Sweat Bands and put them over the HA's every day, this will stop the scratching sound, yet it won't enable your cerebrum to wipe out the sound after some time.

gatownsend Originally Posted by Tiff

I have essentially 2 issues/questions: 1) The Duals' mics are arranged with the goal that they sit behind and on top of the ear (confronting skyward). The principal thing I saw when wearing these is that my hair rubbing on the touchy mics cause undesirable "shhh shhhh" sounds. Indeed, even by putting my hair up, regardless I saw it a bit. Do you think this in the end leaves? At the present time it's a consistent update that I "have a speaker in my mind," which makes it difficult to get used to them. I was thinking about whether a marginally longer wire/link that gives me a chance to push the mics additionally back, where they are confronting back a bit may offer assistance. Any since quite a while ago haired ladies (or men) have this issue? I thought of CIC as a conceivable arrangement...

I am presently experimenting with an arrangement of Dual Minis, and this is driving me crazy. I have attempted BTE's two or three times and backpedaled to my exclusively shaped ITC's a result of this commotion. I at first adored the inclination and sound of having my ears "unplugged", however am beginning to hate the Duals in light of this stirring sound delivered by my hair. I am a male, and keep my hair on the short side. It sounds like the hair is staying directly into the mouthpiece (which is conceivable because of my hair length and where the mic openings are on these HAs), and it's boisterous. I went and got a hair style to check whether it helped, however it didn't do much. I may take a stab at putting something like mousse on my hair to attempt to make it stick together and remain off the beaten path (holding up until it's dry to put on the HAs, obviously).

I am interested what different clients with these guides are encountering. Is it true that you were ready to do anything in the fitting to diminish this sound without contrarily affecting everything else? Do you simply 'get accustomed to it?' The commotion while I'm eating is far more atrocious that hearing myself bite with my ITC HAs.

Much obliged,

Gary

erikmlakar How much does Streamer cost? Since I'd just utilize it with telephone and it would come helpful in light of the fact that everytime I get a call, help rings in my ear, similar to when you cover it with hand or something..

conejo23 Originally Posted by seb

I have just had issues with the Streamer remaining associated with my Apple PC and anything made by Apple, I was let it know was an issue with the Apple items and I would need to trust them since I have not had issues with whatever else. With respect to the battery life, yes it could be better, yet unless you are spilling all the time you ought not have an issue. Rather than discarding it you could of sent it to me, I would of utilized it as an extra.

Oticon's new Streamer Pro has a more drawn out battery life and they have made it less demanding to associate with specific things, yet I am just going on noise since I don't claim one.

All things considered, all I attempted to interface it to were Apple items and it pooped itself attempting. Each and every other bluetooth gadget I've ever used to associate with my Apple items worked impeccably, including the Siemens MiniTek. So from that, I'd finish up the issue was not an Apple one, but rather an Oticon one.

What's more, re giving you my old Streamer, on the off chance that you required a paperweight maybe it would've been convenient. In any case, given that the battery totally passed on and you can't supplant the batteries, I question it would've been much use in whatever other conditions.

Besides, in chatting with my new audi - who is free and can offer any brand she needs - she said she has just sold two Oticons over the most recent 3 years since she honestly doesn't believe they're fabricated worth a darn. She sold a great deal of them before that and saw what I've encountered, a high rate of issues. She used to like Phonak yet said the new ones are VERY delicate to dampness, and living in a medium stickiness atmosphere like Austin, that is an issue. She saw excessively numerous issues there.

I was exceptionally eager to get my Duals, yet after my experience both with these instruments and with the Streamer, I'll never give Oticon another penny of my cash. To state I'm neutral with the nature of their items is serious modest representation of the truth.

I ought to likewise specify, I demoed their most up to date instrument that is reasonable to supplant the Duals. Try not to recollect the name of it. Trash. I heard WAY better with both the Widex Clear demos and these Pure Micon 7s. That is to say, MUCH better. I know some will differ and that is fine, however in my brain, Oticon is garbage.

seb Originally Posted by conejo23

I purchased the Streamer and thought it was a bit of rubbish. The battery sucked and it's availability was truly flimsy. I'd do a telephone call and it would associate, at that point drop, at that point reconnect, at that point drop, and it was more terrible with my portable workstation. And after that the battery passed on and I said 'screw it' and discarded it. possibly it's better now, however when I got it the Streamer was junk.

Presently, I'm demoing the Siemens Pure Micon 7 at the present time with the MiniTek, and that thing is magnificent. a MUCH preferred arrangement over Oticon's weak Streamer.

I have just had issues with the Streamer remaining associated with my Apple PC and anything made by Apple, I was let it know was an issue with the Apple items and I would need to trust them since I have not had issues with whatever else. With respect to the battery life, yes it could be better, yet unless you are gushing all the time you ought not have an issue. Rather than discarding it you could of sent it to me, I would of utilized it as an extra.

Oticon's new Streamer Pro has a more extended battery life and they have made it less demanding to interface with specific things, yet I am just going on noise since I don't possess one.

conejo23 awesome, happy it worked out!

erikmlakar Okay so I won't get Streamer. Is there whatever other alternative to use with Oticon?

I went to my audiologist today and he gave me 10mm vault and those wires you delineated for me (audiologist called them Stoppers). Help is not dropping out any longer and I'm extremely fulfilled.

conejo23 I purchased the Streamer and thought it was a bit of waste. The battery sucked and it's availability was truly unstable. I'd do a telephone call and it would associate, at that point drop, at that point reconnect, at that point drop, and it was more regrettable with my portable PC. And after that the battery kicked the bucket and I said 'screw it' and discarded it. perhaps it's better now, however when I got it the Streamer was junk.

Presently, I'm demoing the Siemens Pure Micon 7 at the present time with the MiniTek, and that thing is amazing. a MUCH preferred arrangement over Oticon's weak Streamer.

erikmlakar Great, I'll visit my audiologist tomorrow to get 10mm arch. I'll additionally get some information about that wire. A debt of gratitude is in order for making a difference.

One additionally thing, is Streamer worth purchasing? I'd utilize it for interfacing with telephone, yet where does Streamer "tune in" from, help receiver or telephone amplifier? On the off chance that it's from help amplifier, doesn't it additionally "tune in" to all individuals around? I trust you comprehend what I mean, can't discover diverse words..

erikmlakar I'll specify this wire to my audiologist tomorrow. A debt of gratitude is in order for your assistance

conejo23 sure, it's conceivable you require diverse arches in every ear. I'd get somewhere in the range of 10mm arches, attempt it in both or only one, see what happens. That will probably tackle your concern.

Additionally, the audi can put a little wire on the instrument that hangs off and serves to help keep the instrument in its place. At the point when the instrument is on, that wire just homes inside the ear projection. I can't recollect what it's called, however it truly seems to offer assistance.

erikmlakar Originally Posted by conejo23

erik...what measure vaults would you say you are utilizing? As a rule, when the instrument won't remain situated in the ear trench it's either of these two things, the vault is too little as well as the speaker wire is too short. I'm as of now demoing some Siemens Pure Micon 7s and they would not remain situated in my ear. 8mm vaults, and I more often than not wear 10mm. So I had the audi put longer speaker wires on them, and bigger arches, and now things are fine.

Well I'm utilizing 8mm, yet when I initially got portable amplifiers they were sitting fine and dandy, truly comfortable, however following 2 days.. Is it conceivable that I require diverse vault sizes in every ear? Wires are fine I figure, in light of the fact that the correct side feels fine, no issues. Much obliged for offer assistance.

conejo23 erik...what measure arches would you say you are utilizing? Typically, when the instrument won't remain situated in the ear channel it's either of these two things, the vault is too little as well as the speaker wire is too short. I'm right now demoing some Siemens Pure Micon 7s and they would not remain situated in my ear. 8mm vaults, and I more often than not wear 10mm. So I had the audi put longer speaker wires on them, and bigger vaults, and now things are fine.

erikmlakar Hello.

At to start with, I am sad for my English, it's not my local dialect.

In this way, I just got my Oticons Acto Pro to test and I adore them, yet the left one (for left ear) continues moving/dropping out of my ear, well, really it simply doesn't feel great. After I drive it over into the ear, it just hops pull out for ~1mm. The correct one sits in the ear fine and dandy, it doesn't move an inch, I can't feel it being there.

What could be the issue, could be the silicon elastic (we call it an "olive")?

A debt of gratitude is in order for help ahead of time.

seb And the Streamer is an entire bit of refuse. Anybody taking a gander at getting one, don't. I squandered cash on it. Never associated dependably to my telephone or PC, would do as such and afterward drop out, the battery flopped after under 2 years and I said no chance i''m purchasing another of these things. Just thing it was useful for was altering the volume or evolving programs, something I once in a while did at any rate.

I have not had any of the issues you've had with your Streamer other than not motivating it to remain matched to my PC. On the off chance that you have anything made by Apple they appear to have an issue remaining matched to the Oticon Streamer; for my Minimac I simply utilize the fix line that accompanied the Streamer and disregarded the Bluetooth. I have utilized it with Samsung and LG phones without any issues. Concerning the battery: my first Streamer's battery didn't flop however something in the accusing circuit did and of it being out of guarantee and what Oticon needed to repair it, I just purchased another for less cash. I additionally utilize a helper control supply made by Ryobi which used to be sold at Home Depot to broaden the Streamers battery control amongst charges and have never had an issue coming up short on juice. At the point when my first Streamer passed on I thought it was the battery, Oticon needs finished $100 to change out the battery and I found a similar size, power and amperage rating for a battery on the web and got it for under $10 with delivery and it was exceptionally easy to supplant taking under 10 minutes, yet that is the point at which I discovered that something in the charging hardware had fizzled. On the off chance that I had any grievances about the Streamer it would be concerning what they need to repair it or supplant the battery however that would be it.

conejo23 I can tell immediately when a speaker has lost volume, it's exceptionally perceptible to me. For my work I spend the day conversing with individuals. At the point when these things begin to blur, I know immediately.

On the off chance that you've never had an issue, at that point I wouldn't stress over it. Wish I could state the same.

blackmamba I can see and comprehend why your next match won't be Oticons ? No one ought to be put through that not to mention considering exactly how much these things cost in the first place.

They say the streamers toward the end in regards to 2 years possibly 3 years tops and you can't change the battery ? I have defeated this with a reinforcement rechargeable Durracell battery that fittings into the Streamer's USB port when required. The Streamer comes in convenient for me and i do appreciate the impact of spacial when at the theater, tuning in to music or strolling through the Park. Maybe you should attempt spacial when at the Theater ?

Not a major devotee of these when i am in a live with loads of discussion going on wherever . Be that as it may i don't know whether there is better ? I figure i will see whether and when the time desires another combine. Not anticipating that day considering the cost included. So distant from what i can see things have not changed that much since my buy.

Fascinating that you discover the speaker links lose volume after some time ? That could unquestionably be befuddling since it is amazingly difficult to see unassuming decays after some time not at all like a total disappointment. I may consider having a couple of links available to check the consistency now and again. $65 each link ?

conejo23 I've still got my Duals, yet man, my involvement with them has been insane. My audiologist has never observed anything like it. I turned out poorly to see my first posts on this string, yet I'm speculating I've had them around 4 years now. In that time, I've most likely experienced 4-5 sets of instruments, and 8-10 speakers. Thank heavens for guarantees. I continue purchasing the service contract every year, and utilize it inevitably.

After around 4-6 months, one of the speakers will either simply bomb totally, or will turn out to be perceptibly calmer to the fact it's not practical. My audi couldn't make sense of it, neither might I be able to. Consistently I place them in a Dry/Store Global II, I take fastidious care of them, when I play tennis I place them in Ear Gear sleeves to keep them moderately dry, however we know it's not tennis since I had extreme shoulder damage that required a couple of surgeries and I didn't play for 9 months despite everything they bombed twice.

We can't consider anything I'm doing that would cause such rehashed disappointments, however they continue setting off to the point my audi gave me an additional combine of speakers to have close by so that when one falls flat it doesn't spoil me for quite a long time while I hold up to get back in. Very baffling. I have no clue if this would be occurring with an alternate brand. Doesn't appear like anything even remotely typical.

Perhaps it's something odd like my own electrical field. My significant other, for instance, has this unusual thing where she'll experience a watch battery down the middle its evaluated time, or less. I've no intimation, yet I'd be lying in the event that I said my involvement with Duals has been incredible. When they work, they work sensibly well. Still need cc when sitting in front of the TV, and even with the Duals on, regardless I miss discourse at the motion pictures to the point where I'm just about done heading off to the silver screen to see something besides a major activity flick where the discussions are less essential.

Also, the Streamer is a total bit of refuse. Anybody taking a gander at getting one, don't. I squandered cash on it. Never associated dependably to my telephone or PC, would do as such and afterward drop out, the battery flopped after under 2 years and I said no chance i''m purchasing another of these things. Just thing it was useful for was modifying the volume or evolving programs, something I once in a while did at any rate.

Kinda wish i'd attempted the Phonaks, to be completely forthright.

blackmamba Stopped by to make proper acquaintance with more than 32,000 perspectives on this string . Expectation the numerous who have added to this string have helped those hunting down answers ? The entire discussion is only an extraordinary wellspring of data.

By the way very nearly 5 years after the fact and i am as yet wearing my Duals. Adore them like never before ! Duals kindly don't come up short me now !!!!!!!

Keep in mind that me Oticon ! When i am searching for a rebate on my next combine. lol

seb If you took it to your audiologist they would make a speedy $155 on you. I took it to a portable amplifier repair place and they would get another one for me for $195 + 18.95 for transportation.

Mtnmedic Originally Posted by seb

Todd,

In the event that you found a battery why not simply re utilize the attachment off the old battery. Where did you get the batteries? I have a Streamer needing another one however found the $75 that Oticon would charge for a $4 battery and under 3 minutes work to transform it somewhat difficult to accept.

You're fortunate they cited you $75 to supplant the battery. I would've readily paid that. My bettery isn't holding a charge for more than two or three hours however the Streamer works fine. Sent it in for battery change and they demanded $350 to supplant the whole unit, as per the distributor.

I figured out how to open mine and haul the battery out. Did some hunting down a supplanting with no luckiness.

I too am intrigued where Todd got his batteries from.

seb Todd,

On the off chance that you found a battery why not simply re utilize the fitting off the old battery. Where did you get the batteries? I have a Streamer needing another one however found the $75 that Oticon would charge for a $4 battery and under 3 minutes work to transform it somewhat difficult to accept.

CradleTodd Originally Posted by aero777

Streamer battery:Attachment 113Attachment 115

You clearly have taken it apart...I sourced the batteries and have purchased a few them. What I'm searching for the time being is the connector that was utilized with the goal that I can simply separate the current battery and module another one.

Any thoughts eager for advancement/show/details of the connector or where to source it?

TIA,

Todd Raymond

grantb5 Originally Posted by blackmamba

I have seen this done on other Equipment Forum Sites not identified with this site . This can work extremely well in shielding related strings from being scattered and rehashed everywhere . Clearly this could be a genuine help to those new to the Hearing Aid Forum .

Awesome thought! We ought to have a greater amount of these "Official" strings.

Mtnmedic Nice pic. I think about whether the battery was ever taken out to see the opposite side of it, decide maker, and so on. I truly might want to discover a substitution than be compelled to burn through $350 on another Streamer, as Oticon proposes (however it's just been over a year since they took a gander at my 3 year old Streamer and said the battery was "alright" yet would require supplanting at $75). My Streamer works fine, but original however refreshed.

Initially Posted by aero777

Streamer battery:Attachment 113Attachment 115

Tiff Hi all. I'm new to the entire place where there is HAs thus happy that I discovered this board! I just got a couple of Duals to demo on Wednesday. I don't have a clue about any of my numbers, however I'm probably direct misfortune with essentially the high pitch ranges affected.

I know it's just been a couple of days, yet I've as of now read practically everything conceivable about the Duals, the more I read, the more discouraged and disappointed I get. I'm attempting to choose on the off chance that I should give them back and forget about it until the point that I truly can't listen. My follow-up appt w/the ENT audi is coming Friday.

I have essentially 2 issues/questions: 1) The Duals' mics are arranged with the goal that they sit behind and on top of the ear (confronting skyward). The principal thing I saw when wearing these is that my hair rubbing on the delicate mics cause undesirable "shhh shhhh" sounds. Indeed, even by putting my hair up, regardless I saw it a bit. Do you think this in the long run leaves? At the present time it's a consistent update that I "have a speaker in my mind," which makes it difficult to get used to them. I was thinking about whether a somewhat longer wire/link that gives me a chance to push the mics additionally back, where they are confronting back a bit may offer assistance. Any since quite a while ago haired ladies (or men) have this issue? I thought of CIC as a conceivable arrangement...

2) Which takes me to the second issue. I'm searching for the most regular sounding outcome (the same number of are), and think about whether CIC have sound quality tantamount to the Duals. I'm wagering not, so I likewise thinking about whether I were to keep the Duals on the off chance that I would be more joyful if moving up to the m9's or the Connects. I won't be getting the Streamer, however I comprehend that the Connects have other sound-quality components that improve them than Minis. Maybe the m9's are really close however...

I'm sad for drifting to such an extent. I'm super delicate and effectively irritated by wearing things that "aren't right"- - minimal over the top urgent there. It's entertaining, I made the arrangement all alone and was prepared to do what it takes to get back in the discussion, yet I can't resist feeling somewhat "crippled" when I wear them. The extravagant costs are a genuine figure choosing whether to get them as well. (As of now in the red up to our eyeballs and as a present graduate understudy, it's just deteriorating). The audi said the ones I have would be "about $3,900," and I don't realize what he would charge for the higher-end ones.

A debt of gratitude is in order for perusing this entire thing! Any exhortation?

xbulder Originally Posted by aero777

Great inquiry mamba. I'm thinking about whether this battery is utilized as a part of different gadgets and somebody here will remember it. It could be exclusive however.

you could read the serial number out the streamer utilizing a noahlink!

aero777 Originally Posted by blackmamba

Where might you get one of those batteries ?

Great inquiry mamba. I'm thinking about whether this battery is utilized as a part of different gadgets and somebody here will remember it. It could be exclusive however.

pvc I think after you end the fitting and store the information in the HIs the main zeros never again show up. So perhaps it is conceivable that your chip number could work??

aero777 Just read the Epoq fitting aide and it is says enter the 8 digit S/N.

aero777 Originally Posted by pvc

My Streamer S/N is of the shape 00nnnnn and I have a moment Streamer with S/N 000nnnn so it seems, by all accounts, to be a 7-digit number. That doesn't resemble the numbers on your chip. I don't think your chip numbers will work.

Much appreciated PVC I didn't know what the arrangement was. I attempted to reproduce connecting in Genie and I saw the zero toward the starting vanished after the connecting fizzled. Do the zeros stay after a fruitful connecting? When in doubt, I'll need to discover somebody with a Noahlink or nEARcom to peruse the S/N remotely.

blackmamba Where would you get one of those batteries ?

pvc My Streamer S/N is of the shape 00nnnnn and I have a moment Streamer with S/N 000nnnn so it has all the earmarks of being a 7-digit number. That doesn't resemble the numbers on your chip. I don't think your chip numbers will work.

aero777 I purchased the streamer on eBay, and the main reason I dismantled it is on the grounds that there was no sticker on the back cover with an ID number to match it with amplifiers when I get a few. I found a few numbers inside the streamer to attempt, however I think it may be the number imprinted on a sticker on the back of a chip.

Refresh: None of the numbers within the streamer are the serial number. In the event that the container or external sticker is feeling the loss of the best way to get the serial number is with a nEARcom or Noahlink remote programmers.Streamer_More.jpg

aero777 Originally Posted by pvc

Pleasant pictures. How would you take the cover off of the streamer?

Much appreciated. To the extent dismantling it, in favor of the streamer is a silver plastic strip. Laying the streamer on its back cover I ran my 1/8 inch long thumb nail along the score on the top and base of the strip concentrating 1cm from the finish of the streamer (end with the smaller than normal USB & sound jack). Did likewise on the opposite side. There's a tab here and after that one each 15mm at the edge. Pushing in opened the tabs and the back isolated from whatever remains of the streamer. The circuit board is screwed down and the catches are secure underneath, so they didn't drop out. There’s a little green circuit board with prongs on its posterior that flown up when I pulled the back cover off and I needed to connect that back to before reassembling. I don’t have an Oticon amplifier yet so I can’t check the streamer works legitimately. Be that as it may, it controls up and combines with my Bluetooth PDA. Sreamer Tabs.jpg

pvc Originally Posted by aero777

Streamer battery:IMGP1053.jpgStreamer_plug.jpg

Pleasant pictures. How would you take the cover off of the streamer?

aero777 Streamer battery:IMGP1053.jpgStreamer_plug.jpg

conejo23 it’s inherent.

jeff Originally Posted by conejo23

Just objection I have with the Streamer is battery life. It sucks. The rest functions admirably enough.

What kind of battey does the streamer take?

conejo23 i have the Dual Connect XW’s with the Streamer and I like them a ton. At the time I got them, my audi basically conveyed Oticon. She had enough individuals ask that she now likewise conveys Phonak and she said she’s had a TON of individuals demo the most recent Phonak instruments and afterward wind up changing to the Duals and cherishing them. I demoed the Yes IX’s and preferred the Duals a great deal better.

Just objection I have with the Streamer is battery life. It sucks. The rest functions admirably enough.

texas_flyfisher I have had zero issues with the Dual XW's and Streamer. The 10mm open vaults are fine, took under 5 mins to swap both. The Streamer had one issue that I settled by erasing and matching again with my Blackberry. TSA and security people have no clue what the Streamer is and they don't see my HA's. Utilize the mic quiet more often than not I am utilizing my Blackberry. The HA's require not very many volume changes and no program changes or changes. I purchased a Dry & Store Global that I utilize each night. As I stated, life is great and my listening ability is highly progressed.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Bahamapapa

I'm new to this, and I am "Test Driving" a Delta 6000, and that is the thing that my Audie needs to offer me, however it appears to me like the Dual C7 has supplanted the Delta 6000, and the Deltas are not even on the Oticon site. What are the realities please? Much obliged.

I would not in any case consider a Delta.

xbulder Originally Posted by Bahamapapa

You're correct, I ment the M7. What are the contrasts between the Delta 6000 and the Dual Mini M7? Isn't the Agil a bigger bundle behind the ear? Much appreciated.

yes and no. Agil will come in a few shape variables. One of the will be utilizing the Epoq Form consider. Another alternative is the MINI ritual - which as our companion UM Bongo pointed months back

it will be indistinguishable to the bernafon veras. I trust it is around 30% littler.

A decent thing about agil is the fitting extent, a similar instrument can be utilized with a few speakers., so on the off chance that you require more power later on everything you do is change speaker. Delta accompanies 1 speaker so in the event that you require more pick up than the instrument conveys you have to change helps.

Delta depends on the old Jump1 chip while the Dual depends on the ascent stage. It utilizes clarity2 (which is by all accounts better). In the event that you can manage the cost of the cost dif. I would investigate agil

Bahamapapa You're correct, I ment the M7. What are the contrasts between the Delta 6000 and the Dual Mini M7? Isn't the Agil a bigger bundle behind the ear? Much appreciated.

xbulder Originally Posted by Bahamapapa

I'm new to this, and I am "Test Driving" a Delta 6000, and that is the thing that my Audie needs to offer me, yet it appears to me like the Dual C7 has supplanted the Delta 6000, and the Deltas are not even on the Oticon site. What are the actualities please? Much appreciated.

genuine, delta is a heritage instrument, it was supplant by the Dual family. Double have 2 families

the Connect and the Mini. You should be refering to the M7 (there is not such a mind-bending concept as a C7) on the off chance that it is the M7 then it is the smaller than usual. Which is like delta 6000.

Expression of guidance check the cost of agil (non genius) it may be work the additional cost

xbulder Originally Posted by jeff

Are the agil Mini ritual accessible?

fit will suit for HL culminate. know you can change speaker and the fitting reach could be up to 105dbhl which is awesome

Bahamapapa I'm new to this, and I am "Test Driving" a Delta 6000, and that is the thing that my Audie needs to offer me, yet it appears to me like the Dual C7 has supplanted the Delta 6000, and the Deltas are not even on the Oticon site. What are the realities please? Much appreciated.

jeff Are the agil Mini ceremony accessible?

xbulder Originally Posted by barbshop

Heaps of discuss the double interfaces - what about the double smaller than normal 9? I'm as of now trialing a couple. These are the first HAs I've ever attempted so I have nothing to contrast them with. I truly like the fit and look of the double minis, and there is probably I'm hearing things I haven't for quite a while. Who knew the world was this loud? Having a few issues with loud gathering settings. Not certain if the volume is recently set too high, or if it's a matter of getting accustomed to it. The minis don't have any opportunity for me to control the volume.

Anybody have any involvement with them?

in the event that the value contrast licenses - attempt an Agil Mini ritual

blackmamba Originally Posted by barbshop

Heaps of discuss the double associates - what about the double smaller than usual 9? I'm right now trialing a couple. These are the first HAs I've ever attempted so I have nothing to contrast them with. I truly like the fit and look of the double minis, and there is undoubtedly I'm hearing things I haven't for quite a while. Who knew the world was this uproarious? Having a few issues with uproarious gathering settings. Not certain if the volume is quite recently set too high, or if it's a matter of getting accustomed to it. The minis don't have any opportunity for me to control the volume.

Anybody have any involvement with them?

The nuts and bolts are the same between these two lines of Duals. The Connects XW's being their leader with every one of the elements, for example, Streamer that permits bluetooth , volume control and changes to 4 distinct projects. The Connects utilize Dynamic Feedback Cancelation 2 Binaural DFC for criticism administration.

The Dual Mini 9's do not have the above however are littler. I like the above in light of the said highlights. I like having volume control/programs/and bluetooth. On the off chance that you can live without these elements then i am certain you can spare a few if not alot of cash by running with the Dual Mini 9's over the Dual XW's. I am certain the sound would be the same yet their flexability is immensely unique nonetheless.

The Dual Mini 9 gets you into life learning and a more extensive 10 khz bandwith over the other Dual Minis. Life Learning appears like a decent component to me however then that is the thing that i have in the XW's and i can not represent those without.

Again in the event that you are content with the sound of the Dual Mini 9 you essentually have a Connect XW without the adaptability to control things specified previously.

barbshop Lots of discuss the double associates - what about the double smaller than normal 9? I'm right now trialing a couple. These are the first HAs I've ever attempted so I have nothing to contrast them with. I truly like the fit and look of the double minis, and there is probably I'm hearing things I haven't for quite a while. Who knew the world was this loud? Having a few issues with uproarious gathering settings. Not certain if the volume is recently set too high, or if it's a matter of getting accustomed to it. The minis don't have any opportunity for me to control the volume.

Anybody have any involvement with them?

blackmamba The streamer is by all accounts the greatest issue on the off chance that anything with the Oticon bluetooth lines ?

xbulder Originally Posted by roberthamden

I have the Sound Gate and never had that issue with the TV connector. I have been satisfied with network.

soundgate is streamer - take note of that

roberthamden Originally Posted by Say_What?

Be careful with dormancy with gushing sound by means of bluetooth. I have bluetooth dongles to stream sound through Streamer to HAs. Fine for sound, yet with video you will positively see a deferral in the sound, it will resemble a seriously named motion picture.

I have the Sound Gate and never had that issue with the TV connector. I have been satisfied with network.

Say_What? Beware of inactivity with spilling sound through bluetooth. I have bluetooth dongles to stream sound through Streamer to HAs. Fine for sound, yet with video you will absolutely see a deferral in the sound, it will resemble a gravely named motion picture.

blackmamba Originally Posted by texas_flyfisher

Penny, the audiologist fitted my first amplifiers at the beginning of today at 0900. The portable amplifiers are light, simple to wear and pretty much undetectable. Cool! Love the plan and quality development of the Dual XW's.

I heard the turn pointer hand-off my Subaru interestingly subsequent to driving the Forester for over a year. The entryway toll is LOUD. The auto makes bunches of clamors I don't recollect hearing some time recently.

Sounds I heard again today interestingly;

Fowls twittering

Zippers and garments stirring

Everybody's voice sounds diverse

the key taps on my portable workstation console

Wind and delicate rain

Sounds are truly splendid and sharp

Tinnitus is a great deal less discernible

After one year despite everything I welcome each one of those things. This is the thing that it is about at last. Regularly when i am outside going out for a stroll in the recreation center i get a kick out of the chance to utilize my program two in which i trust all the mics are on and open. I generally utilize this when i am at the Movie Theater or tuning in to my 9.1 Home Theater System. In this mode everything Sounds so open and directional. I can state with 100% sureness this is the way a Movie Theater should sound to everybody. The Duals in this program perform impeccable under the given directional,spacial and time postpone extremes of my 9.1 Home Theater System . Simply Beautiful !

blackmamba Originally Posted by Cheek

They truly do work and particularly in loud situations. Little and agreeable. I utilize the Streamer for the capacity to associate with my iphone. These things are guardians be that as it may.

It took the better piece of seven days for me to wind up plainly acclimated to wearing them. The battery appears to last about seven days before it begins to rundown with an observable impedance to the guides. I wear them 17-18 hrs per day. So I am attempting to build up the propensity for changing on Sunday. Independent from anyone else they are sans bother and outright work. I have been in some truly uproarious eateries, mixed drink gatherings and on carriers where in the past I essentially couldn't hear so just grinned, gestured and attempted to peruse lips. Presently with the guides I really can bear on a discussion.

I will state that I am keeping the streamer and utilizing it [or at any rate as much as I can]. Irritating is not the same as unusable it just shows how awful the building and configuration was, which is exceptionally interesting since the mouthpieces on the streamer and the guide programming is so great.

Otticon needs to invest a little energy and R&D on the streamer [and lets trust they converse with a genuine user]. I paid $6600 US add up to for misfortune protection, two guides and the streamer, enough that the streamer should work better.

I took a gander at purchasing on the web however you truly do need the things balanced and the plan of action current in the business makes it difficult to purchase and have another person change them. Pick an audiologist that has at any rate perused the manual however [mine, a decent young lady, had not likely still has not].

With everything taken into account a decent exchange. I am keeping them satisfied to have the capacity to hear again [it has been a while] the guides are incredible and the streamer is in any event useable and what the hell it gives me something to gripe about - engineers - particularly from Denmark.

No sense in rehashing all the above. So i will just reafirm that these are great listening devices that do work under some exceptionally attempting conditions. I have been utilizing my Dual Xw's for right around one year now. They were the absolute best of no less than 3 helps i experimented with. Batteries last around 7 days so i resemble you i change them on Sunday. I wear them for around 15 hours in a day. My Streamer could due better in the battery division additionally since i am fortunate to get 15 hours without it going Dead ?

As to motivating use to wearing guides i am almost certain all guides have a learning and solace bend for their new proprietors. I found these to a great degree agreeable to wear with some tweeking all over . They are not made to be obtained online as you genuinely do require a PRO to give you the data and fitting happening to their cost and capacity.

These guides are invisible.You should be truely searching for them to see them.

I LOVE the Spatial capacity of these XW's as reflected upon in my past posts set on this Blog. I felt that way a year back regardless I do today. The Streamer could be better in some respect yet i purchased the Duals for their execution. Their capacity too enable me To hear and the pleasure i get from Hearing that way again is a genuine blessing. Much thanks to You Peter and Oticon. Presently on the off chance that we could just get the cost down so others can appreciate.

conejo23 awesome, welcome to the Dual family! They’re incredible gadgets.

texas_flyfisher Penny, the audiologist fitted my first listening devices toward the beginning of today at 0900. The portable hearing assistants are light, simple to wear and pretty much imperceptible. Cool! Love the outline and quality development of the Dual XW's.

We matched my Blackberry with the Streamer. The Streamer is a Blue Tooth interface, mouthpiece and remote for the listening devices. Inspected the upkeep, paper work, guarantee and finished the agenda. Bill paid and now for whatever remains of the day.

Restored a few voice messages and telephone calls utilizing the Streamer and Blackberry. I truly like the stereo interface for telephone calls. My better half's voice is awesome!

I heard the turn marker transfer my Subaru surprisingly subsequent to driving the Forester for over a year. The entryway ring is LOUD. The auto makes bunches of commotions I don't recall hearing some time recently.

Next quit, meeting with a client and FedEx account executive. Didn't miss a word in our one hour meeting. Nobody needed to rehash anything.

As regular I had 4 telephone calls amid lunch. Simpler to hear the telephone with Streamer off in uproarious spots. I am starting to comprehend thelimitations of the firmware dealing with commotion from voices. Needed to crank the volume down an indent or two.

Another hearing test at Starbucks taking a shot at the portable workstation. Less demanding to hear in Starbucks than at lunch. Less voices and racket to deal with.

I utilized my portable PC to charge the Streamer while I was chipping away at a coordination this evening.

Sounds I heard again today interestingly;

Winged creatures twittering

Zippers and garments stirring

Everybody's voice sounds diverse

the key taps on my portable workstation console

Wind and delicate rain

Sounds are truly brilliant and sharp

Tinnitus is significantly less discernible

xbulder Originally Posted by Cheek

I might want to thank those that post to this blog. It has been useful for me and in that light might want to pass on my appearance on the Otticon double associate [RITE] item [with streamer].

Initially, I am new to portable amplifiers this being my first match. Give me a chance to state immediately that - wow - I wish I had done this before. They truly do work and particularly in uproarious conditions. Little and agreeable. Truth be told so agreeable that I have attempted to go to bed with them on and additionally clean up [not recommended]. I overlooked they were there. I utilize the Streamer for the capacity to interface with my iphone. It works superior to anything an ear piece yet not generally very and additionally the 'telephone to the ear' strategy. These things are attendants be that as it may.

Be that as it may, [and you know there would be a but], they are not without their issues. The issues are generally minor and irritating as opposed to bargain executioners. It took the better piece of seven days for me to wind up plainly usual to wearing them. They caused my ear channel to tingle and for some time one tip appeared to be too enormous. I simply pushed through and now no issue. In spite of the fact that now and again despite everything I can feel them. The battery appears to last about seven days before it begins to rundown with a discernible weakness to the guides. The audiologist disclosed to me a week and a half and maybe they will go that long to add up to disappointment. I wear them 17-18 hrs every day. So I am attempting to build up the propensity for changing on Sunday. Without anyone else they are sans bother and out and out work. I have been in some truly loud eateries, mixed drink gatherings and on carriers where in the past I basically couldn't hear so just grinned, gestured and attempted to peruse lips. Presently with the guides I really can bear on a discussion. It is enchantment!! Try not to be tricked, the place is as yet uproarious and the other party needs to talk up - however that was genuine route back when - when there was no hearing misfortune. The TV is at reasonable levels now, I can even hear texture stir. Cool.

This is with the things balanced just part approach to ideal. I am utilizing the programmed program where the guides modify themselves over some stretch of time to each of three levels. I am presently not exactly to level two with level three being the full monte. Indeed, even with that I can work in loud places.

My lone issues with the guides themselves originated from the audiologist, a young woman who, sweet as can be, however just not up on the gadgets. She had not perused the handbook. She had the wrong length of wire to the RITE, and had issues in setting them up, however because of this blog and perusing the fitting manual before I went in we completed it. My second fitting was with the lead audiologist who had a greatly improved comprehension of the things. Exhortation: read the manual and the fitting aide and above all get somebody who offers a considerable measure of this brand.

The main problems [I waver to call them problems] accompanied the Streamer. This is quite recently poor bit of mechanical outline and poor programming. You would believe that if Oticon was excessively humiliated, making it impossible to get great plan and programming from the US they would have at any rate approached the neighborhood Turkish people group for offer assistance.

To begin, the amplifier is great, much superior to anything any Bluetooth ear piece I have attempted in the past and once the association is made having sound into the ear is awesome. Every one of my calls are not tormented by the empty reverberate or speaker telephone issues for the other party. Sound is great. However, in the event that you are outside or in an uproarious place a few if not the greater part of that gets past.

In the event that you utilize the rope to hang it around your neck the streamer things function admirably in calm or places with little commotion. Hanging it under a shirt functions admirably. In the event that you place it into a shirt stash it additionally functions admirably with the intermittent dropping of one ear then the other. I have had a go at turning my go to focus the pocket with the guides yet at the same time drops indiscriminately either. The issue is that in a noisy place like an airplane terminal there is so much foundation commotion grabbed and not "balanced" by the guide that I can not hear or bear on a discussion. Likewise, it appears as if the sound is not pushed through the guide for intensifications as required yet just dumped [at lessened levels] into the beneficiary. Why anybody would think I would need to open the mouthpieces on the guides when I am attempting to chat on the telephone is past me. Clearly a specialist thought it was cool and was excessively lethargic, making it impossible to ask a client. This same architect probably thought he was assembling some standard bluetooth gadget - hello trick I am hearing impeded, I require enhancement. This is the main genuine issue and in light of the fact that I am on the telephone so much [I utilize the portable as my essential office and individual phone] I'll take what I can get and simply make sure to utilize the telephone itself at the air terminal not the streamer. Obviously one can kill the receivers by holding down the "up" volume catch yet in the event that I make or answer a call at that point hold up until the point that it associates, closed off the mics, at that point alter the volume - will despite everything I have somebody on the flip side of the line? It takes unreasonably long to simply associate dissimilar to the typical bluetooth headset or my auto even. I am recently not sufficiently quick to complete all the altering and not annoyed the gathering o the flip side. Programmed is the word for the day and this is quite recently awful plan. It is useable however an agony in some body part.... what's more, the wellspring of some genuine foul contemplations coordinated at Oticon.

The streamer works [when it does] great aside from that there are many dropped associations with either help. The inconvenience level is high however I keep on using them.

At that point there are the irritating beeps. Each time the streamer accomplishes something couples, uncouples or in light of the fact that it needs to, I get a beep. Obviously all beeps are a similar so there is no advising what every one is attempting to pass on. A similar beep is for a low battery so you simply need to get used to the damn thing beeping from time to time. Poor modern outline, who needs a beep when the guides associate/detach to the streamer or the streamer to the iphone or for what ever different reasons it does as such? [Well possibly it beeps so fakers as me don't attempt to move into the shower with them on? However, believe me, there is no beep for that.] The real working of the bluetooth is not as responsive as even in my auto and surely not as powerful as one of the ear piece things. It is ease back to associate and loses association regularly. Making a call appears to work best however accepting one is ease back and again irritating to the guest.

The real controls on the streamer are just things a designer could love. [An build that did not land that position at Apple that is.] Each catch has at least two distinct capacities relying upon to what extent you hold it down and no sign on the off chance that it worked or not. At that point there is one catch that has no standard utilize. For reasons unknown at arbitrary music begins to play from the tunes on my telephone or if not, it associates with a sound that resembles tuning in to a seashell - open and empty. It needs to connect to each gadget it passes [promiscuous little thing] yet in the auto where I have a hands free apparatus inherent, which ever is first controls the telephone for around 5 min at that point goes off to the next. So I may flip on the hands free and place the call then part path into the bring the streamer assumes control or on the off chance that I begin with the streamer the hands free assumes control.

There is no OFF switch. I might want to execute the music attach and utilize it only for the telephone however can't. Might want to cut the telephone part when I'm in the auto however can't. I might want to have the receivers on the guides cut off when the telephone is on yet can't. Furthermore, I might want to kill the damn beeps yet can't. At the point when the telephone rings and is the vibrate mode I get a noisy ring in the ears with no real way to turn it off until the point that the guest chooses to surrender and some of those sales people are persistent. Now and again appear like such straightforward things.

After a genuine objection to the audiologist I got the chance to address the Oticon rep. It appears by killing all the additional signs from the iPhone [in the sounds settings] like console clicks and new email sounds] a considerable amount of the additional beeps leave. However, that implies not getting the full advantage of the telephone. My auto never had that issue nor do any of the headsets I have utilized. Awful plan.

Since I have all that off my chest I will state that I am keeping the streamer and utilizing it [or in any event as much as I can]. Irritating is not the same as unusable it just shows how terrible the building and configuration was, which is exceptionally bizarre since the mouthpieces on the streamer and the guide programming is so great.

Over all I am satisfied with the guides and my new capacity to work particularly in loud conditions and like the accommodation the streamer gives me now and then. Otticon needs to invest a little energy and R&D on the streamer [and lets trust they converse with a real user]. I paid $6600 US add up to for misfortune protection, two guides and the streamer, enough that the streamer should work better.

I took a gander at purchasing on the web however you truly do need the things balanced and the plan of action current in the business makes it difficult to purchase and have another person modify them. Pick an audiologist that has in any event perused the manual however [mine, a pleasant young lady, had not presumably still has not].

With everything taken into account a decent exchange. I am keeping them satisfied to have the capacity to hear again [it has been a while] the guides are extraordinary and the streamer is at any rate useable and what the hell it gives me something to grumble about - engineers - particularly from Denmark.

I accept there is an approach to decrease the sound of the enviroment in connection to the streamer. It is in the last screen before you leave the fitting programming.

In the event that you set the mics route underneath the flag of the streamer this may have the capacity to do the trap for you, I trust default is 6 however you can go for 9 which is more agressive

Cheek I might want to thank those that post to this blog. It has been useful for me and in that light might want to pass on my appearance on the Otticon double interface [RITE] item [with streamer].

In the first place, I am new to portable amplifiers this being my first match. Give me a chance to state immediately that - wow - I wish I had done this before. They truly do work and particularly in loud situations. Little and agreeable. Actually so agreeable that I have attempted to go to bed with them on and in addition wash up [not recommended]. I overlooked they were there. I utilize the Streamer for the capacity to associate with my iphone. It works superior to anything an ear piece however not generally very and also the 'telephone to the ear' technique. These things are attendants in any case.

In any case, [and you know there would be a but], they are not without their issues. The issues are generally minor and irritating instead of arrangement executioners. It took the better piece of seven days for me to wind up plainly acclimated to wearing them. They caused my ear trench to tingle and for some time one tip appeared to be too huge. I simply pushed through and now no issue. In spite of the fact that now and again despite everything I can feel them. The battery appears to last about seven days before it begins to rundown with a recognizable hindrance to the guides. The audiologist revealed to me a week and a half and maybe they will go that long to add up to disappointment. I wear them 17-18 hrs per day. So I am attempting to build up the propensity for changing on Sunday. Without anyone else's input they are sans bother and out and out work. I have been in some truly boisterous eateries, mixed drink gatherings and on aircrafts where in the past I essentially couldn't hear so just grinned, gestured and attempted to peruse lips. Presently with the guides I really can bear on a discussion. It is enchantment!! Try not to be tricked, the place is as yet uproarious and the other party needs to talk up - yet that was genuine route back when - when there was no hearing misfortune. The TV is at sensible levels now, I can even hear texture stir. Cool.

This is with the things balanced just part approach to ideal. I am utilizing the programmed program where the guides alter themselves over some undefined time frame to each of three levels. I am currently not exactly to level two with level three being the full monte. Indeed, even with that I can work in loud places.

My exclusive issues with the guides themselves originated from the audiologist, a young woman who, sweet as can be, however just not up on the gadgets. She had not perused the handbook. She had the wrong length of wire to the RITE, and had issues in setting them up, yet because of this blog and perusing the fitting manual before I went in we completed it. My second fitting was with the lead audiologist who had a vastly improved comprehension of the things. Exhortation: read the manual and the fitting aide and in particular get somebody who offers a considerable measure of this brand.

The main problems [I waver to call them problems] accompanied the Streamer. This is quite recently poor bit of mechanical outline and poor programming. You would believe that if Oticon was excessively humiliated, making it impossible to get great outline and programming from the US they would have at any rate approached the nearby Turkish people group for offer assistance.

To begin, the amplifier is great, much superior to anything any Bluetooth ear piece I have attempted in the past and once the association is made having sound into the ear is incredible. Every one of my calls are not tormented by the empty reverberate or speaker telephone issues for the other party. Sound is great. Be that as it may, on the off chance that you are outside or in a loud place a few if not the majority of that traverses.

In the event that you utilize the rope to hang it around your neck the streamer things function admirably in calm or places with little commotion. Hanging it under a shirt functions admirably. On the off chance that you place it into a shirt stash it additionally functions admirably with the intermittent dropping of one ear then the other. I have had a go at turning my make a beeline for focus the pocket with the guides yet at the same time drops indiscriminately either. The issue is that in a noisy place like an airplane terminal there is so much foundation clamor gotten and not "balanced" by the guide that I can not hear or bear on a discussion. Additionally, it appears as if the sound is not pushed through the guide for intensifications as required yet just dumped [at decreased levels] into the recipient. Why anybody would think I would need to open the amplifiers on the guides when I am attempting to chat on the telephone is past me. Clearly a specialist thought it was cool and was excessively languid, making it impossible to ask a client. This same architect more likely than not thought he was constructing some standard bluetooth gadget - hello trick I am hearing disabled, I require enhancement. This is the main genuine issue and in light of the fact that I am on the telephone so much [I utilize the portable as my essential office and individual phone] I'll take what I can get and simply make sure to utilize the telephone itself at the airplane terminal not the streamer. Obviously one can kill the amplifiers by holding down the "up" volume catch however in the event that I make or answer a call at that point hold up until the point when it associates, stopped the mics, at that point change the volume - will regardless I have somebody on the flip side of the line? It takes very long to simply associate not at all like the ordinary bluetooth headset or my auto even. I am quite recently not sufficiently quick to complete all the changing and not annoyed the gathering o the flip side. Programmed is the word for the day and this is quite recently terrible plan. It is useable yet an agony in some body part.... furthermore, the wellspring of some genuine foul considerations coordinated at Oticon.

The streamer works [when it does] great aside from that there are many dropped associations with either help. The disturbance level is high yet I keep on using them.

At that point there are the irritating beeps. Each time the streamer accomplishes something couples, uncouples or on the grounds that it needs to, I get a beep. Obviously all beeps are a similar so there is no advising what every one is attempting to pass on. A similar beep is for a low battery so you simply need to get used to the damn thing beeping from time to time. Poor mechanical plan, who needs a beep when the guides interface/separate to the streamer or the streamer to the iphone or for what ever different reasons it does as such? [Well possibly it beeps so fakers as me don't attempt to move into the shower with them on? However, believe me, there is no beep for that.] The real working of the bluetooth is not as responsive as even in my auto and positively not as hearty as one of the ear piece things. It is ease back to interface and loses association regularly. Making a call appears to work best however accepting one is ease back and again irritating to the guest.

The genuine controls on the streamer are just things an architect could love. [An design that did not land that position at Apple that is.] Each catch has at least two unique capacities relying upon to what extent you hold it down and no sign in the event that it worked or not. At that point there is one catch that has no general utilize. For reasons unknown at irregular music begins to play from the tunes on my telephone or if not, it associates with a sound that resembles tuning in to a seashell - open and empty. It needs to attach to each gadget it passes [promiscuous little thing] however in the auto where I have a hands free apparatus implicit, which ever is first controls the telephone for around 5 min at that point goes off to the next. So I may flip on the hands free and place the call then part route into the bring the streamer assumes control or in the event that I begin with the streamer the hands free assumes control.

There is no OFF switch. I might want to execute the music connect and utilize it only for the telephone yet can't. Might want to cut the telephone part when I'm in the auto yet can't. I might want to have the receivers on the guides cut off when the telephone is on however can't. Also, I might want to kill the damn beeps yet can't. At the point when the telephone rings and is the vibrate mode I get an uproarious ring in the ears with no real way to turn it off until the point that the guest chooses to surrender and some of those sales representatives are persistent. Now and again appear like such straightforward things.

After a genuine protest to the audiologist I got the opportunity to address the Oticon rep. It appears by killing all the additional signs from the iPhone [in the sounds settings] like console clicks and new email sounds] a considerable amount of the additional beeps leave. In any case, that implies not getting the full advantage of the telephone. My auto never had that issue nor do any of the headsets I have utilized. Terrible outline.

Since I have all that off my chest I will state that I am keeping the streamer and utilizing it [or at any rate as much as I can]. Irritating is not the same as unusable it just shows how awful the building and configuration was, which is exceptionally interesting since the receivers on the streamer and the guide programming is so great.

Over all I am satisfied with the guides and my new capacity to work particularly in boisterous situations and like the comfort the streamer gives me now and again. Otticon needs to invest a little energy and R&D on the streamer [and lets trust they converse with a genuine user]. I paid $6600 US add up to for misfortune protection, two guides and the streamer, enough that the streamer should work better.

I took a gander at purchasing on the web yet you truly do need the things balanced and the plan of action current in the business makes it difficult to purchase and have another person modify them. Pick an audiologist that has at any rate perused the manual however [mine, a pleasant young lady, had not most likely still has not].

With everything taken into account a decent exchange. I am keeping them satisfied to have the capacity to hear again [it has been a while] the guides are awesome and the streamer is in any event useable and what the hell it gives me something to whine about - engineers - particularly from Denmark.

hearnow Originally Posted by blackmamba

You might need to consider another accomplished Audi ? One that recognizes what they are discussing, for example, " hearnow ". However Perth Australia may be somewhat out of your range . You will have the capacity to locate some sort of harmony amongst makeup and the amplifier execution you require. Widex , Oticon , Phonak and i am certain there are other brand names out there that make such an item . Finding the privilege Audi who will hear you out, converse with you honestly about the issues included and address your requirements is 90% of the fight.

True, pleasantly summed up. Regardless of how great the fitter supposes they are, whether they don't listen they are no great.

blackmamba Originally Posted by flyfi

Howdy I'm new here. Otosclerosis in right ear, left hear has intense hearing. I have been trialing Dual Mini m7 in right ear and discussion is vastly improved, yet any conditions with any clamor (airconditioning and so forth) are as yet a major issue following 3 weeks and the listening device still turned down very low. Primary issue for me is the contortion/delay/input I am getting from any unrecorded music, I am a piano educator and play a couple of instruments as do all my relatives, music is a major thing in my life. Does anybody have any musings about live acoustic music and maybe a more reasonable amplifier for me? I have one week left of trial am as yet considering a stapedectomy.

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You might need to consider another accomplished Audi ? One that recognizes what they are discussing, for example, " hearnow ". However Perth Australia may be somewhat out of your range . You will have the capacity to locate some sort of harmony amongst makeup and the amplifier execution you require. Widex , Oticon , Phonak and i am certain there are other brand names out there that make such an item . Finding the privilege Audi who will hear you out, converse with you honestly about the issues included and address your requirements is 90% of the fight.

hearnow Originally Posted by flyfi

Thankyou. Would you be able to disclose to me how having an all the more capable amplifier will decrease my issues of criticism/bending/delay?

Without a doubt, I'll do as well as can be expected.

To the extent input is concerned, you'll have a more shut fitting with the all the more capable gadget, prompting less spillage of sound thus less criticism. Phonak has a tendency to have preferred input administration over Oticon as of now in time (you get more steady pick up from Phonak).

Distrotion again may identify with the criticism director, which can be set to off or less agressive with a more shut coupling in the ear. It may likewise identify with top section brought about with a less effective listening device, which ought to be settled by an all the more capable instrument/recipient blend.

Postponement may identify with handling delay, which you can't do much about or delay caused by the blend of the sound through the unoccluded ear waterway blended in with the opened up sound. By having a more shut fitting the second kind of deferral can be address.

Basically the main thing you can do is attempt. Have the aud set the guide to practically direct (CR around 1.2:1 - the aud will realize what this implies). Likewise ensure you have an absolutely or practically blocked earmould or arch. HAve the aud lessen or even kill the Feedback director for the music program.

Good fortunes

flyfi Originally Posted by hearnow

The Dual is just not sufficiently effective for your misfortune. Attempt a guide with a power beneficiary, for example, the Audeo YES from Phonak. It is still little however can offer all the bass you require.

Thankyou. Would you be able to disclose to me how having an all the more effective portable amplifier will reduce my issues of input/bending/delay?

hearnow Originally Posted by flyfi

Hey I'm new here. Otosclerosis in right ear, left hear has intense hearing. I have been trialing Dual Mini m7 in right ear and discussion is greatly improved, yet any conditions with any clamor (airconditioning and so forth) are as yet a major issue following 3 weeks and the portable hearing assistant still turned down very low. Fundamental issue for me is the twisting/delay/input I am getting from any unrecorded music, I am a piano instructor and play a couple of instruments as do all my relatives, music is a major thing in my life. Does anybody have any contemplations about live acoustic music and maybe a more reasonable listening device for me? I have one week left of trial am as yet considering a stapedectomy.

250Hz - L-10 R-70

500HZ - L-10 R-60

750 HZ - L-10 R-70

1000HZ - L-10 R-70

2000HZ - L-10 R-60

3000HZ-L-10 R-60

4000HZ-L-10 R-50

6000HZ-L-10 R-50

8000HZ-L-10 R-60

The Dual is basically not sufficiently intense for your misfortune. Attempt a guide with a power collector, for example, the Audeo YES from Phonak. It is still little however can offer all the bass you require.

flyfi Hi I'm new here. Otosclerosis in right ear, left hear has intense hearing. I have been trialing Dual Mini m7 in right ear and discussion is greatly improved, however any conditions with any clamor (airconditioning and so forth) are as yet a major issue following 3 weeks and the amplifier still turned down very low. Fundamental issue for me is the contortion/delay/input I am getting from any unrecorded music, I am a piano instructor and play a couple of instruments as do all my relatives, music is a major thing in my life. Does anybody have any contemplations about live acoustic music and maybe a more reasonable portable hearing assistant for me? I have one week left of trial am as yet considering a stapedectomy.

250Hz - L-10 R-70

500HZ - L-10 R-60

750 HZ - L-10 R-70

1000HZ - L-10 R-70

2000HZ - L-10 R-60

3000HZ-L-10 R-60

4000HZ-L-10 R-50

6000HZ-L-10 R-50

8000HZ-L-10 R-60

blackmamba I settled on my decision to run with the Dual Connect XW toward the beginning of May. I figure the last time i went to see my Audioligist was toward the beginning of June after a progression of fine tunings. I will be backpedaling on October 14 to see him about rolling out a few improvements/changes on my discourse program.

Not certain on the off chance that i am in good shape to discribe what i might want to happen. It may be similarly as straightforward as going to what Oticon utilizes for their dependable processing plant setting for Program one (discourse) now that wearing listening devices are never again Alien to me.

I am by all accounts requesting that individuals rehash themselves all the more regularly in late time. I don't think my listening ability has changed ? Maybe my custom ear bud is not as cozy as before ? On the other hand input is never again an issue on account of the custom earmold .I simply have a crave considerably more stable ?

An illustration would be that the music program appears to be excessively emphasize all solid and it is not an issue to utilize this when i am at home or outside . I practically like that totally open no limits condition when i am in these enviroments. When i am strolling in the Park i may significantly lean toward this in a spacial sort of way. When utilizing my discourse program you can tell that things/sound truly start to take care of .

Here i am sitting before the PC screen and i put my listening ability program into music mode. The spin of the PC behind me is the thing that i figure most including myself is the thing that we would call commotion excessively diversion. My TV is maybe 20 feet away and specifically in my view . The news is on and i likewise hear the discussion originating from the TV exceptionally well/clear however clearly the fans running on my PC are a diversion not required.

I now change to my discourse program and the spin of the PC fans all of a sudden practically vanish to truly nothing to gripe about except for i additionally know a man with hearing would hear those fans louder than what i am hearing them now. For this situation i figure that is something to be thankful for me ? In any case, what i likewise see is that the sound originating from the TV is additionally decreased despite the fact that all that diverting foundation commotion is no more. I hear the TV yet maybe discourse is not as fresh or noisy as when the Music program was utilized. I have to now give careful consideration to the Speech from the TV despite the fact that all the foundation commotion has been evacuated.

To my state of mind is that the discourse from the TV should now be much more discernable than any other time in recent memory ?

Any thoughts here so that when i do go before my Audi i will comprehend what to request and in dialect he/we could comprehend ?

xbulder Originally Posted by Railbird

Wash them? No - the key being "don't twist them." The issue is, it gets wrinkled in the wake of taking it off and returning it on such a variety of times. Likewise since the line is so long, it tends to turn while I'm wearing it since it hangs so free. I know they have a short neck circle out, and I'd get a kick out of the chance to have the capacity to discover it if my audi could ever get back to me Maybe I have to discover another dealer....

The last time it broke, the line got gotten on something and hauled out a bit from the plastic connector. (It has a "safeguard" to shield individuals from choking themselves, which, tragically renders the neck circle futile) I simply wish they were somewhat simpler to get or somewhat more "client serviceable"

not possessed the capacity to modify the length of the link is an issue,

i will expect there will be something some kind of new line later on...

Railbird Originally Posted by xbulder

Do you wash them or somewhere in the vicinity, I never had issues with the string..

Make a point not to twist them

Wash them? No - the key being "don't twist them." The issue is, it gets wrinkled in the wake of taking it off and returning it on such a variety of times. Additionally since the rope is so long, it tends to curve while I'm wearing it since it hangs so free. I know they have a short neck circle out, and I'd get a kick out of the chance to have the capacity to discover it if my audi could ever get back to me Maybe I have to discover another dealer....

The last time it broke, the rope got gotten on something and hauled out a bit from the plastic connector. (It has a "safeguard" to shield individuals from choking themselves, which, lamentably renders the neck circle pointless) I simply wish they were somewhat less demanding to get or somewhat more "client serviceable"

conejo23 I've just had dig for around 4 months however I haven’t had issues with the string. I don’t utilize it all that much, to be completely forthright. Be that as it may, I’ll roll the string around the Streamer and place it in my pocket constantly. Would that be able to harm the rope? Not certain how it’s achievable to never twist the rope.

xbulder Originally Posted by Railbird

I'm on my third neck circle with the streamer. With consistently utilize, I simply destroy the neck circle. It either segregates from the plastic clasp or the neck circle itself gets creased and in the long run the gathering begins blurring in and out when utilizing the streamer. When I supplant the neck circle with a fresh out of the plastic new one, everything works fine.

Luckily, both circumstances my audi could discover substitutions without charging me... I'm holding up to hear again from her on how much these things cost so I can keep an extra or two laying around. It is safe to say that anyone is else having this issue? I'm in concurrence with the other blurb saying that the range on the streamer isn't that incredible and I wish there was an approach to utilize it without the neck circle...

Do you wash them or somewhere in the vicinity, I never had issues with the string..

Make a point not to twist them

Railbird I'm on my third neck circle with the streamer. With consistently utilize, I simply destroy the neck circle. It either isolates from the plastic clasp or the neck circle itself gets creased and in the long run the gathering begins blurring in and out when utilizing the streamer. When I supplant the neck circle with a fresh out of the plastic new one, everything works fine.

Luckily, both circumstances my audi could discover substitutions without charging me... I'm holding up to hear once more from her on how much these things cost so I can keep an extra or two laying around. Is it true that anyone is else having this issue? I'm in concurrence with the other blurb saying that the range on the streamer isn't that extraordinary and I wish there was an approach to utilize it without the neck circle...

xbulder Originally Posted by MaM

So which is it- - Duals Do or DO NOT have on-board controls? Epoqs unquestionably have all that control on the genuine gadget, which I adore. In any case, it appears Duals don't, which make Epoq and Duals distinctive, isn't that so?

the dif. amongst duals and epoq is corrective. Double being more corrective..

It is genuine they dont appear to be identical yet the utilization a similar preparing

conejo23 duals have no on board controls. Can just alter volume or projects by means of Streamer. What's more, there is no quiet capacity.

MaM Originally Posted by xbulder

duals (V, W or XW) are epoqs.. so there is truly no other dif. indeed Dual are

corrective epoqs

So which is it- - Duals Do or DO NOT have on-board controls? Epoqs certainly have all that control on the real gadget, which I cherish. Yet, it appears Duals don't, which make Epoq and Duals distinctive, isn't that so?

xbulder Originally Posted by conejo23

Duals don't have on board controls. Volume and projects are changed with the Streamer. The Duals are intended to modify consequently, so they have handling capacities the Epoqs don’t have, clearly.

When I initially got my Duals I was continually tinkering with volume and projects. Presently I infrequently utilize my Streamer with the exception of calls. I simply put them on and overlook it.

duals (V, W or XW) are epoqs.. so there is truly no other dif. indeed Dual are

corrective epoqs

conejo23 Duals don't have on board controls. Volume and projects are changed with the Streamer. The Duals are intended to alter consequently, so they have preparing abilities the Epoqs don’t have, obviously.

When I initially got my Duals I was continually tinkering with volume and projects. Presently I once in a while utilize my Streamer aside from calls. I simply put them on and overlook it.

MaM Originally Posted by wellfleetsurf

Is the distinction between the Dual Mini and Dual Connect the size and cost? Or, on the other hand are there specialized contrasts?

I've perused Oticon has W, XW and V models. I think a great many people here have XWs.

Much obliged to you to such an extent.

If it's not too much trouble rectify me, anybody, on the off chance that I am wrong- - I am under the feeling that the Epoqs have on-board control (catches on the HAs) and the Duals don't. Isn't that the principle distinction? I have Epoq XWs and love having the control to change volume, projects, or quiet readily available.

gsawdy I'm south of Boston (New Bedford region). I can suggest a decent audiologist in Brookline (Boston). I'm paying 6K for a couple of xw's, streamer and both telephone and television interfaces (not certain if those come as a major aspect of the streamer bundle or are independent?).

In the event that you know precisely what you require in programming at that point purchase from England I was cited 4k for the xw combine and I overlook how much additional for the streamer. Do scan on these gatherings for more information. They will accompany the essential programming for your listening ability misfortune and you couldask for a music program. At that point locate a neighborhood audi to make alterations on a charge for benefit premise. This will spare you a great deal of $$$$, I chose not to go this course as i'm new to HA and thought the additional administration would be justified, despite all the trouble.

Good Luck, HTH George

conejo23 I paid $6200 for my XWs including the Streamer. $6800 is excessively. My $6200 was presumably excessively.

wellfleetsurf Thank you for your answers, precisely the appropriate responses I was searching for. I was cited $3400/per for the Duel Connect. I believe there's some arrangement, be that as it may. I think the Connects are an indistinguishable size from my Seboteks, which fit impeccably behind my ears. Bluetooth (remote) is excessively cool not, making it impossible to have, so when it ends up noticeably reasonable, I'll be purchasing.

So much helpful data, thanks at the end of the day.

blackmamba Originally Posted by wellfleetsurf

Hi, I'm taking in heaps of incredible data from every one of your posts. I do have a couple of speedy inquiries, should anyone have room schedule-wise to reply - much obliged.

Is the contrast between the Dual Mini and Dual Connect the size and cost? Or, on the other hand are there specialized contrasts?

I've perused Oticon has W, XW and V models. I think the vast majority here have XWs. Does anyone know what recognizes the models? Experts or cons?

I at present wear Seboteks, behind the ear. They're little and agreeable, however I'm understanding (following three years), it's an ideal opportunity to redesign. So I know about the scope of what helps give. It's energizing to see innovation propelling things for us. Are costs generally in the 5-6k territory? I paid $2k per help years prior.

Much obliged to you to such an extent.

The Dual Connect XW ought to be in around $6000 or a touch progressively or maybe even less in the event that you look around and luck out. I am sold on the Spatial idea of the XW and i truly don't think i was sucked into some sort of promoting ploy . I tested a few brands of portable amplifiers and the XW gave me the best hearing background. Nonetheless i didn't test the Dual Mini. I do utilize a PDA and other bluetooth things so the XW's fit into my way of life superior to the Mini's. With respect to measure these XW's are hard too find on me .http://www.oticonusa.com/eprise/main...ni/xw_w_v.htmlhttp://www.oticonusa.com/eprise/main...ini_9_7_5.html

xbulder Originally Posted by wellfleetsurf

Hi, I'm taking in loads of incredible information from every one of your posts. I do have a couple of snappy inquiries, should anyone have sufficient energy to reply - bless your heart.

Is the distinction between the Dual Mini and Dual Connect the size and cost? Or, on the other hand are there specialized contrasts?

I've perused Oticon has W, XW and V models. I think a great many people here have XWs. Does anyone know what recognizes the models? Experts or cons?

I right now wear Seboteks, behind the ear. They're little and agreeable, however I'm understanding (following three years), it's a great opportunity to redesign. So I know about the scope of what helps give. It's energizing to see innovation propelling things for us. Are costs generally in the 5-6k territory? I paid $2k per help years prior.

Much thanks to you to such an extent.

double interface is a bluetooth empower instrument it is identical to the Epoq W,XW and V

it utilizes a 312 batyery while the Dual smaller than usual is a little instrument, non remote and non bluetooth empower. sizewise smaller than normal is more discrete with a sound like Vigo

XW is the highest point of the line instrument, if accomplishment. ongoing binaur. comp. it enables you to show signs of improvement spacial hearing (so they say) ther W and V and strip down forms

im beyond any doubt you would love the duals...

wellfleetsurf Hello, I'm taking in heaps of extraordinary information from every one of your posts. I do have a couple of fast inquiries, should anyone have sufficient energy to reply - much obliged.

Is the contrast between the Dual Mini and Dual Connect the size and cost? Or, on the other hand are there specialized contrasts?

I've perused Oticon has W, XW and V models. I think the vast majority here have XWs. Does anyone know what recognizes the models? Professionals or cons?

I right now wear Seboteks, behind the ear. They're little and agreeable, however I'm understanding (following three years), it's a great opportunity to redesign. So I know about the scope of what helps give. It's energizing to see innovation propelling things for us. Are costs generally in the 5-6k territory? I paid $2k per help years prior.

Much thanks to you to such an extent.

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

I observe Tulip vaults should be changed each 2 or 3 weeks with the end goal for them to give me the vibe i need . I am sure your correct needs a custom arch if not a power vault.

I know, i pushed for it (control, i can't stand form since i think my jaw development in channel is to incredible to be comfortable.. at any rate it was with cic so help finished in drawer). In any case, it finished seriously on the grounds that i think audi don't know how to do it appropriately.. to much bass and din on right...

I needn't bother with more lows.. i getting to much lows with tulip.

Alright, battery keep going for around 7 day on right. I utilize a bt regular. Since i don't have auto at the present time i walk a considerable measure so utilize music. As of not long ago i utilized it with BT however i discover better wired in light of the fact that then i can utilize my nokia remote control to volume up down, interruption and skip tracks. Additionally i think battery last longer that way. I likewise find that i can tune in to book recordings in English. Before its no go, yet now i discover i comprehend around 70% (and the greater part of not comprehend words is on the grounds that i don't have any acquaintance with it)..

In this way, of course i am so glad i chose to associates over minis.

A considerable measure of people groups reveal to me that i sound metallic over streamer. Like end of metal pipe. Is there is streamer what sound accurately or they are all the same?

Set that aside, I am content with it.. i sit before PC, associate streamer in speakers, put it directly before me without a rope before console and i can tune in to motion picture or whatever.. extraordinary.

In any case, to play amusement its hard. i assume phonak is vastly improved in light of the fact that streamer take simply left channel and offered it to both ears. So everything in diversion on right is going to be a considerable measure calmer. I should figure out how to blend stereo in mono so to have all informations...

For the most part i am content with music quality. I think that its better that way - bass than all bas on earphones. I might want somewhat more treble, yet audi say that he can't transform anything in software.....

Minimal master question - in the event that somebody like me get cut of on let say 5 khz... how help function? Does it draw the distance to 10 khz, or programming utilize 6 or 7 khz at that point sliced off in light of the fact that no compelling reason to pump?

That its. I will expound on help particular experience next time...

blackmamba I observe Tulip vaults should be changed each 2 or 3 weeks with the end goal for them to give me the vibe i need . I am certain your correct needs a custom vault if not a power arch.

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

yeap right ear not a possibility for a double.

you ought to be utilizing custom power-with a power arch..

in any case, on the off chance that you are doing fine...

Doing fine? all things considered, kind of...

Principle issue is that tulips wont remain in and begin to move away witch mean consistent changing in sound picture.. likewise, criticism ocurin when i am pushing wires in ears arent decent to hear out in the open spots. I will request reteiners.. I think about whether they will be alright to utilize.

Aside to when ppl whispering and not straightforwardly to me (listening other discussion) , i strugle to comprehend them. I discovered guides noisy (more uproar and it begin to turned out to be too uproarious (foundation) and ofcourse input is beginning now and there (on left and right). In any case, than once more, ppl say that guide paw back portion of hearing misfortune, all in all, what's in store?

I will make new audiograms since i discovered lows to uproarious on right. Eg. "An" is louder on right and "E" is equivalent... Too

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

You mean audibiity on that right (most noticeably bad) ear?

yeap right ear not a possibility for a double.

you ought to be utilizing custom power-with a power arch..

in any case, in the event that you are doing fine...

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

You mean audibiity on that right (most exceedingly bad) ear?

Yes i am certain He truly meant right ear however written in left by botch. Continue working at it Razno and stay up with the latest.

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

i genuinely question he/she will have the capacity to get some discernability on that left ear,

as it is not trully a contender for double. the instrument for that ear ought to be

an epoq ceremony control or the smaller than normal bte control. again this is accepting the consequences of you aud. are right

You mean audibiity on that right (most exceedingly bad) ear?

Razno Ok... after about month i can report back...

To xbulder - possibly duals aren coordinate for my loses, however they do prety great job.

This is my first arrangement of HA so epoq (and especialy control one) i would not feel good wearing. Additionally control shape is impossible since i discover it non tolerable (moving jaw make huge development in trench - it can make even tulip unconfortable and low freq help when full shut..) In future i will likely go for best fit when they made powerfull yet stilish design)... I might want to attempt phonaks, however it was non benefit in my nation..

Generaly i am glad. There is no circumstance where i can hear better without. I tryed extraordinary nightclubing when commotion is agonizing without or with help and i heard better with it.. People groups even overlooks that i am HOH so they begin conversing with me from another room or turn down the volume to extraordinary low so i should advise them that guides are no supernatural occurrences

There is no rem in my nation.. no unique pediatric fitters... So whatever i can do is to make sense of myself.

Music program is empowered (i made sense of that first program can't be music so requested that audi attempt roll out new and than improvement to music... furthermore, bingo!)

In any case, left is alright, yet right attempt to pump low so hard that si lost all clearness in midle and high one. What's more, i speculate my audiogram is not right or sometnig is wong in low since low are so louder on right... ) They can pump center and high alright in typical program, however changing directionality a clamor decrease truly trouble in music tuning in... I wil attempt cut lows in right.

blackmamba I am doing recently extraordinary with my Duals. They have changed alot of things throughout my life for the better . I truly don't have a solitary negative to state as of right now . I am consummately fine with my decision and i truly trust Bluetooth as of right now is the much too go .

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Alright, we made some change, some great, some terrible.

Back to square 1 and tulip. That 1. Dinamyc.

Second one i like progressively - quiet. No steady switch when help attempt to be shrewd..

I tryed lucidity 2 on tird... not all that great.

And furthermore music on four.

Music one is baffling me.

Left is - god this sound great... In any case, right.. i wear know. its sound like he (help) attempt to pump up commotion and bas when he is unabled to convey and that wreck lucidity and of mids and highs. I dont require bass, i used to listen that way (left is sufficient in that freq). I presume it has nothing to do with my misfortune in mids and high since it sound much better in different projects.. regardless of the possibility that volume on help up to max.

Any sugestion? What exactly recurrence to begin slice to get clearness in mid/high?

to xbulder - they dont have rem. Likewise, its appear to be nobody here dont have rem (different fitters, simens and such)....

That is the point at which i live in banana republic.. Much obliged you for your sources of info.

i genuinely question he/she will have the capacity to get some discernability on that left ear,

as it is not trully a contender for double. the instrument for that ear ought to be

an epoq ceremony control or the smaller than expected bte control. again this is accepting the consequences of you aud. are right

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Alright, we made some change, some great, some terrible.

Back to square 1 and tulip. That 1. Dinamyc.

Second one i like increasingly - quiet. No steady switch when help attempt to be savvy..

I tryed clearness 2 on tird... not very great.

And furthermore music on four.

Music one is confusing me.

Left is - god this sound great... Be that as it may, right.. i wear know. its sound like he (help) attempt to pump up clamor and bas when he is unabled to convey and that decimate lucidity and of mids and highs. I dont require bass, i used to listen that way (left is adequate in that freq). I speculate it has nothing to do with my misfortune in mids and high since it sound much better in different projects.. regardless of the possibility that volume on help up to max.

Any sugestion? What exactly recurrence to begin slice to get lucidity in mid/high?

to xbulder - they dont have rem. Likewise, its appear to be nobody here dont have rem (different fitters, simens and such)....

That is the point at which i live in banana republic.. Much obliged you for your data sources.

look for a pediatric audi, they all have rems!!

Razno Ok, we made some change, some great, some terrible.

Back to square 1 and tulip. That 1. Dinamyc.

Second one i like increasingly - quiet. No steady switch when help attempt to be keen..

I tryed clearness 2 on tird... not very great.

And furthermore music on four.

Music one is astounding me.

Left is - god this sound great... Be that as it may, right.. i wear know. its sound like he (help) attempt to pump up clamor and bas when he is unabled to convey and that annihilate clearness and of mids and highs. I dont require bass, i used to listen that way (left is adequate in that freq). I speculate it has nothing to do with my misfortune in mids and high since it sound much better in different projects.. regardless of the possibility that volume on help up to max.

Any sugestion? What exactly recurrence to begin slice to get clearness in mid/high?

to xbulder - they dont have rem. Additionally, its appear to be nobody here dont have rem (different fitters, simens and such)....

That is the point at which i live in banana republic.. Much appreciated you for your information sources.

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Alright, Soft commotion as yet moving in and out (when to delicate) to my right side. its better since it veiled with lows. Didn't feel like it cut of. I have control arch and approach to boisterous in lows. we supported it a bit, however its to much. Fitter voice aside, i have no real way to confirm on spot. I didn't think that its agreeable and my discourse perception is traded off.

Additionally, my fitters advised to me his product did not suggested power(mold) arch for my correct ear. Tulip (in addition to). I am puzled.. wont i profit by that? Likewise, i discovered power not to jaw development dependible...

So it will be back in the starting point.

On other hand, i find far off voices are vastly improved in right ear. Would it be able to be despite everything I tuning in lows? On left its still not noisy and clear.. possibly on the grounds that low volume?

I think i didn't have legitimate audiogram (you can get brings about mark, ? mean they didn't gauge it. Its done in national social insurance - quick, and fitters didn't do it once more. I trust they don't have gear, and furthermore for REM. Would i be able to request legitimate audiogram with all double xw 10 ch secured?? Would i be able to request REM? That is to say, jaw shut with tulip there is a great deal of lows, minimal open - its gone... Would it be able to be that delicate clamor (shhh sound) cutting in delicate sound - wrong audiogram input? I hear it boisterous when auto passing, yet it get lost when there is close to no stable at all eg. room around evening time. Obviously, its still discernable on left.

I don't recognize what to do.

Alter: My fitter advised to me that point by point audiogram isn't help so 750 and 3 khz is uninportant in light of his supposition... what's more, that i can do it privatly (pay for it) elseware...

Additionally, he didnt reaction at my demand of REM. I realize that when i tune in to music i need to hear same tones same in both ears. Atleast in helps chanels. i beleive just than my brain can begin learning. When i have in my ears what oticon assume is ideal and its coordinated in both ears. (what's more, how to do that without legitimate audiogram and no rem? ) Is that is resaonable demand? Obviously in cutoff points of my listening ability and help limits.

He said thad its all subjectivly and its tuning in light of my inclination however than again he can't react when i depict issue. Like lows geting louder with shut jaw utilizing tulip.

Or, on the other hand cannot hear people groups over separation.

He didnt recomended anything based from my info, so i should choose what to do. He react to give more overal volume on right since that clamor issue.

I will backpedal to the starting point, tulip in my correct ear and minimal more pick up and + some in that shhhh clamor freq to rectify insignificant pick up (if posible).

Much obliged you particularly for your time...

I truly welcome it...

RAZNO:

In the event that the edges from the correct ear are right, the instrument ought not be a double

in any case, rather an EPOQ BTE POWER or maybe the more restorative epoq ritual power.

No rem NO deal... I genuinely question he will be near match targets,

blackmamba Your ear is so weakened on the correct that i don't know whether Dual is your answer Razno but rather of course you could simply run with Epoq.

I do utilize a shape however this was to help with criticism and is extremely very much vented on the grounds that i am more ready to hear the low end. I accumulate somebody needing a low end would have next to no venting if any . Additional VENTING = MORE COMFORT.

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

Are you trully a possibility for this kind of instrument. Perhaps you should utilize the best possible

instrument with earmold.

On to your remark, this sounds like the MPO is to low. the best way to check whether the

instruments is cutting is utilizing a test call discourse mapping or REM. In the event that your instrument

is a XW, the objetive is not target coordinating but rather to confirm dinamics singe. of discourse (how the guide is responding to delicate, med. what's more, noisy discourse) and look at it against your listening ability misfortune.

VAC is call voice adjust compresion-this depends on what Oticon thinks works best.

It applies a ton of comp @ low levels and when the info level is high it sets the instrument to be direct. The thought is that a great many people would perform better

in clamor when the instrument is direct.

clarity2 is a refresh for lucidity method of reasoning. Clearness is fitt shape. outline for those

with great perceptibility in the low freq. what's more, hearing misfortune in the hig fre. the #2, is the

modification which considers the ascent stage (ext. bandwith, and so on)

trust this answer your inquiry

sounds to me you are not a contender for double but rather maybe for epoq

Alright, Soft commotion as yet moving in and out (when to delicate) to my right side. its better since it conceal with lows. Didn't feel like it cut of. I have control vault and approach to noisy in lows. we supported it a bit, yet its to much. Fitter voice aside, i have no real way to confirm on spot. I didn't think that its agreeable and my discourse cognizance is traded off.

Additionally, my fitters advised to me his product did not suggested power(mold) vault for my correct ear. Tulip (in addition to). I am puzled.. wont i profit by that? Likewise, i discovered power not to jaw development dependible...

So it will be back in the starting point.

On other hand, i find far off voices are greatly improved in right ear. Would it be able to be regardless I tuning in lows? On left its still not uproarious and clear.. perhaps on the grounds that low volume?

I think i didn't have legitimate audiogram (you can get brings about mark, ? mean they didn't gauge it. Its done in national human services - quick, and fitters didn't do it once more. I trust they don't have gear, and furthermore for REM. Would i be able to request legitimate audiogram with all double xw 10 ch secured?? Would i be able to request REM? That is to say, jaw shut with tulip there is a ton of lows, minimal open - its gone... Would it be able to be that delicate clamor (shhh sound) cutting in delicate sound - wrong audiogram input? I hear it boisterous when auto passing, however it get lost when there is close to no stable at all eg. room around evening time. Obviously, its still capable of being heard on cleared out.

I don't recognize what to do.

Alter: My fitter advised to me that point by point audiogram isn't help so 750 and 3 khz is uninportant in view of his supposition... also, that i can do it privatly (pay for it) elseware...

Likewise, he didnt reaction at my demand of REM. I realize that when i tune in to music i need to hear same tones same in both ears. Atleast in helps chanels. i beleive just than my psyche can begin learning. When i have in my ears what oticon assume is ideal and its coordinated in both ears. (furthermore, how to do that without legitimate audiogram and no rem? ) Is that is resaonable demand? Obviously in points of confinement of my listening ability and help limits.

He said thad its all subjectivly and its tuning in light of my inclination yet than again he can't react when i portray issue. Like lows geting louder with shut jaw utilizing tulip.

Or, on the other hand cannot hear people groups over separation.

He didnt recomended anything based from my information, so i should choose what to do. He react to give more overal volume on right since that clamor issue.

I will backpedal to the starting point, tulip in my correct ear and minimal more pick up and + some in that shhhh clamor freq to adjust negligible pick up (if posible).

Much obliged you especially for your time...

I truly welcome it...

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Its turn out that its not reception managment on.

Why help reseted i have no clue.

We attempting to battle sound shorts in right. I heard commotion, at that point dont... i supose that is as far as possible in high recurrence... i tryed that guide in my left and ofcourse there is no cut of from help side.. clamor managment puts commotion minimal down and that is under point of confinement on the privilege.

So i finished with ideal to uproarious so will gave it sometime or two and put it down pretty much nothing..

I can not comprehend ppl and feel cut off. perhaps i have to embrace. I made program full directional and no commotion managment, however no improviment on hear ppl talking. quess i strike against all delicate talking ppl here ...

I am certain that some place in genie i sow voice are not boisterous, or canot hear far off talks, but rather cant recollect when (on picture, that it)..

What is contrast betwen vac/clearness 2?

What's more, dynamic and different profiles?

Any proposal to attempt?

Are you trully a possibility for this kind of instrument. Perhaps you should utilize the correct

instrument with earmold.

On to your remark, this sounds like the MPO is to low. the best way to check whether the

instruments is cutting is utilizing a test call discourse mapping or REM. On the off chance that your instrument

is a XW, the objetive is not target coordinating but rather to check dinamics burn. of discourse (how the guide is responding to delicate, med. what's more, noisy discourse) and look at it against your listening ability misfortune.

VAC is call voice adjust compresion-this depends on what Oticon thinks works best.

It applies a ton of comp @ low levels and when the information level is high it sets the instrument to be straight. The thought is that the vast majority would perform better

in clamor when the instrument is straight.

clarity2 is a refresh for clearness method of reasoning. Lucidity is fitt frame. outline for those

with great discernability in the low freq. also, hearing misfortune in the hig fre. the #2, is the

amendment which considers the ascent stage (ext. bandwith, and so on)

dynamic and different profiles, this are personalities which are just dynamic when

VAC is chosen. the personality would control the extent of progress of the HI,

I mean Noise lessening, directionality, comp time and so forth.

Preferably, on the off chance that you might want more discourse under. the instrument is set quicker, where it

would convey more discourse signs this would give up confort.

trust this answer your inquiry

sounds to me you are not a possibility for double but rather maybe for epoq

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Alright, couple of perceptions.

I am on adaption (yet damn they didnt disclose to me nothing) and i get what blackmamba called "miniboots" - incrasing well ordered.

What i know is that my correct ear isnt for tulip and they didnt put my audiogram propely (on the grounds that i feel they didnt need to be pestered with shape and programming is not recomended control (but rather can be chosen manual)) So i am sitting in my room, listening clamor and autos from outside (delicate commotions) and all of a sudden i lost everything in my correct ear. I get some sort of vertigo since that evil feeling repeaated every now and then... I think is gone beneath my listening ability - yet is i move jaw into the correct i get low "helped" and hear commotion again minimal more profound... I beleive i require control arch asap.

Some positive comments - wind is no issue even in auto with windows down. Music from behind as well.. i supported it and it begin to trouble my in discourse companion more than me...

Still cannot hear ppl from remove eg. 2-3 m

this remark does it mean you are not a contender for a ritual instrument but then

you where fitted with one?

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

I trust "Adaption" is utilized to help individuals to get use to their amplifiers. This takes into consideration continuous changes/enhancements in your listening ability and is not imediate result orientated. Despite the fact that i never wore helps I picked not to utilize the adaption organize for my situation however ideally this will all work out for you at last.

Its turn out that its not appropriation managment on.

Why help reseted i have no clue.

We attempting to battle sound shorts in right. I heard commotion, at that point dont... i supose that is as far as possible in high recurrence... i tryed that guide in my left and ofcourse there is no cut of from help side.. clamor managment puts commotion minimal down and that is under breaking point on the privilege.

So i finished with appropriate to boisterous so will gave it some time or another or two and put it down pretty much nothing..

I can not comprehend ppl and feel cut off. perhaps i have to receive. I made program full directional and no clamor managment, yet no improviment on hear ppl talking. quess i strike against all delicate talking ppl here ...

I am certain that some place in genie i sow voice are not boisterous, or canot hear inaccessible talks, but rather cant recall when (on picture, that it)..

What is distinction betwen vac/lucidity 2?

What's more, dynamic and different profiles?

Any proposal to attempt?

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

Alright, couple of perceptions.

I am on adaption (yet damn they didnt disclose to me nothing) (

I trust "Adaption" is utilized to help individuals to get use to their portable amplifiers. This takes into consideration slow changes/enhancements in your listening ability and is not imediate result orientated. Despite the fact that i never wore helps I picked not to utilize the adaption design for my situation however ideally this will all work out for you at last.

Razno Ok, couple of perceptions.

I am on adaption (yet damn they didnt disclose to me nothing) and i get what blackmamba called "miniboots" - incrasing well ordered.

What i know is that my correct ear isnt for tulip and they didnt put my audiogram propely (on the grounds that i feel they didnt need to be irritated with form and programming is not recomended control (but rather can be chosen manual)) So i am sitting in my room, listening commotion and autos from outside (delicate clamors) and all of a sudden i lost everything in my correct ear. I get some sort of vertigo since that evil feeling repeaated now and again... I think is gone beneath my listening ability - however is i move jaw into the correct i get low "helped" and hear clamor again minimal more profound... I beleive i require control vault asap.

Some positive comments - wind is no issue even in auto with windows down. Music from behind as well.. i supported it and it begin to trouble my in discourse companion more than me...

Still cannot hear ppl from remove eg. 2-3 m

Razno Also, every1 who i called whined how hard is to undrstand me from streamer. i supposes its foulty one since they disclosed to me that i seem like robot.

It would be ideal if you streamer clients, disclose to me what do you considers? Has anybody had such expirience? Would i be able to do rma?

Much obliged you

Razno Originally Posted by conejo23

concurred with blackmamba

I generally know heading, and I have no inconvenience in a grocery store hearing the clerk, for instance. None by any means.

Much appreciated you. So its something witrch must be adjusted. Dislike i dont comprehend - its ice chest is noiser than people groups and than again its not noisy by any means.

I stared at the television and double do everything to execute it.. All over i listen "sh" "ch" "s".. be that as it may, most time i hear like without help and commotion from outside. (auto passing tire clamor)..

that commotion isnt disturbed me to listen when talking with somebody, yet he continually change to decrease it and it feel like sudden deafnes (and furthermore little influence speach). He do it additionally when there is no talk show.

Additionally, outside i feel shaky in light of the fact that its frontal and i dont hear auto from behind. Alright, i comprehend if there is speach present to do that, yet no speach and no solid from behind me ?

conejo23 agreed with blackmamba

I generally know heading, and I have no inconvenience in a grocery store hearing the clerk, for instance. None by any means.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

Alright. I find double great in calm. I additionally can talk with companion out and about.

In any case, when i am in general store, i dont recognize what helps are doing, yet i canot heard ppl talking from 1-2 meters. Not dont understanding - dont heard the majority of it... there is regular clamor like beeps and frizzers, however nothing major.

Likewise, i dont like when clamor decrease work if there is no speach.. eg. strolling out and about.. auto comming its alright, when he goes there is no tire sound (not squeling, shhhh sort).. i think back there is once more.. so frontal directionality, why? i dont require it..

Reset it (versatile call or on/off) and its alright for 5 sec.. furthermore, there it go once more...

Additionally, ppl from remove, regardless of the possibility that there is no commotion is bad.

Also, loudd auto got cuted out, yet need sound back speedier.. not some 3-5 secs later...

Driving in auto is alright, and ordinary wind is absent in aids(not open windows, didnt test it)...

I thinking about whether the new client setting on fitting placed in some ensuring mode for quite a while to not give me a chance to be overhelmed?

Sorry to learn that Razno

You realize what this ought not be an issue on the grounds that the setup is totally controlled by Oticon. On the off chance that your Audi utilized the "new client " program that could be an issue since it is a continuous change. In the event that YOU HAVE A NEW PROGRAMER HE OR SHE CAN GO ONLINE AND HAVE THEM PROGRAMED BY AN OTICON REP.These are a to a great degree cutting edge thing and not only for someone too play with .Programing is ALL OR NOTHING. All my programing is in a programmed/learning mode after the underlying setup from Oticon. That is if the Oticon equation is entered accurately ? On the off chance that all is entered legitimately it will take a learing calendar of no less than 36 hours.

Mine are programed and i have none of your issues. The SPACIAL ABILITY is past what is being sold out there now . I generally know DIRECTION 100 %.

Razno Ok. I find double great in calm. I likewise can talk with companion out and about.

Be that as it may, when i am in general store, i dont comprehend what helps are doing, yet i canot heard ppl talking from 1-2 meters. Not dont understanding - dont heard a large portion of it... there is common commotion like beeps and frizzers, yet nothing major.

Additionally, i dont like when commotion diminishment work if there is no speach.. eg. strolling out and about.. auto comming its alright, when he goes there is no tire sound (not squeling, shhhh sort).. i think back there is once more.. so frontal directionality, why? i dont require it..

Reset it (portable call or on/off) and its alright for 5 sec.. furthermore, there it go once more...

Likewise, ppl from remove, regardless of the possibility that there is no clamor is bad.

What's more, loudd auto got cuted out, yet need sound back speedier.. not some 3-5 secs later...

Driving in auto is alright, and ordinary wind is absent in aids(not open windows, didnt test it)...

I thinking about whether the new client setting on fitting placed in some ensuring mode for quite a while to not give me a chance to be overhelmed?

Razno Ok, i get my duals. i will post "survey" how time goes.

So for the present, where would i be able to get arches from net? I found on ebay yet its some sort of tear of on the grounds that it cost 9$ yet shiping and taking care of is 15$ for + and for measure 10 is 8$ shiping and taking care of.

If you don't mind dont inquire as to why not where i get help. I will, yet first to perceive what are my alternatives.

Additionally, question for fitters here. My fitter is totaly inexpirience (with duals xw) and i know more things from here about them (thanx to all of you people groups). He say that he cannot do any programing (4 programs) before 4-6 week pass and altrough he has music alternative its turned gray out and he say that double dosent have it like epoq and it will change automaticaly. I think he has wrong so i request guidance here.

Obviously when i kill music on hifi ha goes into frontal directonalyity whitch mean i should look straightforwardly in speaker to hear legitimately. irritating.

I am 28 extremely dynamic and assenting to help (first time and no issue throughout the day beside little disturbance from + arches).

I was yesterday out in caffe and i discovered it goes frontal to much when there is no requirement for that, music was delicate and two people groups behind. I swiched now and again and found that its sound better for a considerable length of time or thereabouts. after that he goes again frontal and quiter..

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

ED.....thanks for that awesome arch rundown.

So obviously I have open arches. I’m as yet finding that the ideal area as for my listening ability capacity is whether I drive them in just somewhat all the more utilizing a fingernail to point them ‘around the bend’ than where they’d go simply embeddings them straight with my fingers, yet they won’t remain there, they work out. Is there any conceivable arrangement that will give me a more secure position/fit?

At the present time I'm utilizing 10 mm vaults. Attempted marginally littler ones, those were more terrible.

This will clarify Oticon domes.http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...lexiblity.html

The tulips are likewise refered to as in addition to vaults and they may function admirably in your left ear/more terrible ear. I observe the different arches must be supplanted all the time since as time passes by they lose their capacity to remain in well . Half a month and i change the vaults.

Investigate page 5 to page 11 and it will allude to a " EAR GRIP ". This keeps the arch moored to the ear as a last resort ?http://www.oticonusa.com/eprise/main...al/DualIFU.pdf

conejo23 ED.....thanks for that awesome vault outline.

So obviously I have open vaults. I’m as yet finding that the ideal area concerning my listening ability capacity is whether I drive them in just somewhat all the more utilizing a fingernail to edge them ‘around the bend’ than where they’d go simply embeddings them straight with my fingers, however they won’t remain there, they work out. Is there any conceivable arrangement that will give me a more secure position/fit?

At this moment I'm utilizing 10 mm arches. Attempted marginally littler ones, those were more awful.

EnglishDispenser Originally Posted by conejo23

Alright, I could utilize some assistance understanding these terms.

What are smaller scale molds?

Power arches?

Tulip arches?

I have the little dispensable plastic arches that aren’t totally strong however have cut outs in them. Are those the tulip vaults?

On the off chance that I needed to converse with my audi about a custom fit that stays in the ear channel all the more safely, what might I be approaching her for?

Open vault have openings and gap. A lot of wind current. Agreeable.

Tulip (or shut) vaults are two delicate plastic petals. Square solid all the more yet at the same time permit natural air. Agreeable.

Power vaults are round delicate plastic attachments. No wind current. Not generally absolutely agreeable.

Micromoulds are thimble like hand crafted acrylic tips. Can be strong or have gaps. Expected to be agreeable - yet I regularly find that they won't remain in their appropriate area.

Note: The open and tulip vaults are intended to permit low recurrence sound to sidestep them ... the wind current angle is essentially a reaction.

philnmtl The miniaturized scale forms that I utilize are vented (little gap) and they have a light covering or some likeness thereof connected to enable them to stay cozy in my ear channel. They do function admirably for the lower recurrence misfortune. At first I discovered them exceptionally agreeable yet this week they started to bug me.

I feel that the tulip arch are the ones with a side opening. The power arches that I am utilizing resemble two topsy turvy containers stacked, so that the seal is truly entire. I put them pack on this evening and discover them extremely agreeable and truly secure as well. The inquiry is will I have the capacity to hear too with them as with the exceptionally shaped miniaturized scale form. I have seen that I get input less demanding with them than with the smaller scale form. Conejo I trust that it is the it is the smaller scale form that you oudl need to converse with your audi about. You additionally might need to check and check whether the span of the tulip arch is alright for you or do you require a bigger one or would the power vault fit better. I'll update you as often as possible on my investigations - Phil

conejo23 OK, I could utilize some assistance understanding these terms.

What are small scale molds?

Power arches?

Tulip vaults?

I have the little dispensable plastic vaults that aren’t totally strong yet have cut outs in them. Are those the tulip vaults?

On the off chance that I needed to converse with my audi about a custom fit that stays in the ear waterway all the more safely, what might I be approaching her for?

blackmamba Originally Posted by philnmtl

Hello there: I am new client and am around three weeks into an Oticon Dual on one ear as it were. My misfortune is consistenty direct over the whole recurrence run. My audi set me up with a smaller scale shape yet when it must be sent off for a couple of days to have some sort of covering connected to shield it from slipping out of my ear, he gave me some power arches. I surmise that I like them and they may even be more agreeable than the miniaturized scale form. I am in such a variety of various settings consistently at the present time that I have no predictable base for choosing which is working better. I'd be thankful to find out about your contemplations or experience on the power vault versus smaller scale shape? Much obliged - Phil

I utilize a vented small scale form in my left ear and the tulip vaults in my privilege. The power arches are not vented and would be of more noteworthy help for somebody requiring all the more low recurrence pick up. Is your miniaturized scale form vented ?

I would wear tulips in both ears yet i required the smaller scale form too enable curtailed criticism issues. I do think that its hard too perfect yet this is the thing that works for me. My small scale shape is amazingly agreeable and i don't know what you are discussing when you specify " some sort of covering connected to shield it from slipping out of my ear ".

Negatives on the mico form for me would be cleaning and furthermore the wax channel has a tendency to effectively get stopped up.

The tulips are incredible in the event that you can get the best possible fit. They require little maintenence and i supplant about like clockwork since they appear to free their coziness.

philnmtl Hi: I am new client and am around three weeks into an Oticon Dual on one ear as it were. My misfortune is consistenty direct over the whole recurrence go. My audi set me up with a smaller scale shape however when it must be sent off for a couple of days to have some sort of covering connected to shield it from slipping out of my ear, he gave me some power arches. I believe that I like them and they may even be more agreeable than the smaller scale form. I am in such a variety of various settings consistently at this moment that I have no reliable base for choosing which is working better. I'd be appreciative to find out about your considerations or experience on the power vault versus smaller scale shape? Much obliged - Phil

conejo23 I'm content with the Duals.

I question I could be consummately content with any instrument, nothing will get me back as though I had no hearing misfortune, however these are an immense change or no instrument and an unquestionably change over when I was wearing the Audeo Yes iXs, so yes, I'm upbeat.

Razno Originally Posted by conejo23

2 year guarantee, 1 year substitution if lost, stolen or harmed.

Is what settled?

Much appreciated you. With Fixed i mean - > oticon gave it in that period and merchant can't transform it...

Let me know, Is there any news? Is it true that you are content with your choice about Duals?

Do you have great or frustration circumstance about it?

conejo23 2 year guarantee, 1 year substitution if lost, stolen or harmed.

Is what settled?

Razno How numerous years guarantee accompanied Dual XW? Is it settled?

xbulder Originally Posted by conejo23

experimenting with both instruments was intriguing. I could be absolutely off course yet I left away with two expansive conclusions.

Initially, I think there are a close limitless number of factors that effect how somebody procedures and encounters sound. My figure is you can bring two individuals with almost indistinguishable audiograms, even with about indistinguishably molded trenches, fit them with similar instruments with similar settings and they could encounter sound, in an unexpected way. Could be cerebrum wiring, who knows.

Second, I think about whether which instrument is trialed initially, particularly for a client new to listening devices like me, impacts how the second instrument to be trialed is experienced. Does the cerebrum some way or another entrain to the way the flag from the principal instrument is exhibited such that it doesn’t effectively handle sound from the second one? I don’t know. I’ll never know whether I had trialed the Yes’ initially, would I have then not enjoyed the sound of the Duals thusly?

Primary concern for me, I think the main 3-4 marks likely all utilization similar innovation and now it’s only an issue of which kind of flag most viably resounds with your cerebrum. There’s another string that inquires as to whether the Yes has the most developed innovation and many are stating they trust this is so. From my point of view, the Dual’s innovation is prevalent FOR ME than the Yes. Improves? I don’t think one can make that contention in any case. Toward the day's end, there is a solid subjective segment to this. My official choice depended on one straightforward parameter: which help did I most anticipate wearing.

the new fitting recipes, rectify pick up for sexual orientation for instance.

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

experimenting with both instruments was fascinating. I could be absolutely off kilter however I left away with two wide conclusions.

To begin with, I think there are a close interminable number of factors that effect how somebody procedures and encounters sound. My figure is you can bring two individuals with almost indistinguishable audiograms, even with about indistinguishably formed waterways, fit them with similar instruments with similar settings and they could encounter sound, in an unexpected way. Could be mind wiring, who knows.

Second, I think about whether which instrument is trialed to begin with, particularly for a client new to listening devices like me, impacts how the second instrument to be trialed is experienced. Does the mind by one means or another entrain to the way the flag from the main instrument is introduced such that it doesn’t productively handle sound from the second one? I don’t know. I’ll never know whether I had trialed the Yes’ to begin with, would I have then not enjoyed the sound of the Duals along these lines?

Primary concern for me, I think the main 3-4 marks likely all utilization equivalent innovation and now it’s only an issue of which kind of flag most viably reverberates with your cerebrum. There’s another string that inquires as to whether the Yes has the most progressive innovation and many are stating they trust this is so. From my viewpoint, the Dual’s innovation is unrivaled FOR ME than the Yes. Improves? I don’t think one can make that contention in any case. By the day's end, there is a solid subjective part to this. My ultimate conclusion depended on one straightforward parameter: which help did I most anticipate wearing.

Really for me i tried another brand/demonstrate first before testing the Duals. In the wake of testing the Duals i never backpedaled to the first model of HA i tried . I have dependably felt that the principal show i tried gave me a heads up however on getting use to the vibe and sound of listening devices and that simply made loving the Duals less demanding for me . I tried a third portable hearing assistant model which i likewise preferred particularly even to the point that i thought they sounded superior to the Duals . However on investigating the Duals it was a Slam Dunk for me . The Duals were a superior fit for me and i finished my look for Hearing Aids with a Dual XW buy.

hearnow Thanks for sharing your encounters and congrats on finding the alternatives that works for YOU.

hippeaux Originally Posted by conejo23

My ultimate choice depended on one straightforward parameter: which help did I most anticipate wearing.

What's more, that is the main thing that matters. Congrats on an upbeat find.

conejo23 trying out both instruments was intriguing. I could be thoroughly off course yet I left away with two wide conclusions.

To begin with, I think there are a close unbounded number of factors that effect how somebody procedures and encounters sound. My figure is you can bring two individuals with almost indistinguishable audiograms, even with about indistinguishably molded channels, fit them with similar instruments with similar settings and they could encounter sound, in an unexpected way. Could be cerebrum wiring, who knows.

Second, I think about whether which instrument is trialed to start with, particularly for a client new to listening devices like me, impacts how the second instrument to be trialed is experienced. Does the mind by one means or another entrain to the way the flag from the primary instrument is displayed such that it doesn’t effectively prepare sound from the second one? I don’t know. I’ll never know whether I had trialed the Yes’ to start with, would I have then not enjoyed the sound of the Duals along these lines?

Primary concern for me, I think the main 3-4 marks presumably all utilization practically identical innovation and now it’s only an issue of which sort of flag most adequately resounds with your cerebrum. There’s another string that inquires as to whether the Yes has the most developed innovation and many are stating they trust this is so. From my point of view, the Dual’s innovation is predominant FOR ME than the Yes. Improves? I don’t think one can make that contention in any case. Toward the day's end, there is a solid subjective segment to this. My official conclusion depended on one basic parameter: which help did I most anticipate wearing.

xbulder Originally Posted by blackmamba

"alright, the trial is finished. I’m running with the Duals.

Had a REM session on Monday with the audi who fitted me with the Yes’. Fortunately there is truly nothing abnormal about the state of my trench, the estimations were steady with what the Phonak programming would anticipate. She just marginally balanced my lows, turning them down only a hair.

I wore them whatever remains of Monday and after that today until the point that noon when I just couldn’t take it any more and returned on the Duals. When I wore the Yes’, I just felt like I was in an air pocket contrasted with the Duals. Presently, I am not making an esteem judgment about the Yes’. All in all they are a top notch instrument yet for me, the Duals were obviously a superior fit and deliver a vastly improved outcome. Here are a few things I see straightforwardly:

I hear discussions better with the Duals, regardless of whether it be one on one in a tranquil domain or in a boisterous one.

I have a vastly improved ‘spatial feel’ for the sound I get with the Duals. I specified in a past post that it’s like the audiophile idea of ‘headroom’. Sound is only significantly more common to me with the Duals than the Yes’. A LOT more common.

I plainly have better directional feeling of hearing with the Duals. I could pinpoint the course of sound much preferable with them over the Yes’.

What's more, I've said that I am REALLY not an enthusiast of the different iCom and MyPilot gadgets. I like the combination of Streamer substantially more. Absence of stereo is no major ordeal. Transmitting a crappy flag by means of stereo doesn’t give a definitively enhanced outcome over mono.

So there you have it. For me, the Duals gave a superior hearing background, and by a wide edge. Your mileage may change. "

I have not had the opportunity to test an arrangement of Audeo Yes so i can't remark on them all things considered. However, that being said when i contrasted the Duals with other item out there i need to reafirm four of the above :

I believed i was in an air pocket contrasted with the Duals.

I heard discussions better with the Duals, regardless of whether it be one on one in a tranquil domain or in an uproarious one.

I had a superior ‘spatial feel’ for the sound . WOW I think this is an extraordinary component and i can't sit tight for this to show signs of improvement sooner rather than later .

I plainly had directional feeling of hearing with the Duals. As said on a past post I could truely pinpoint the heading of sound .

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this is what is normal. maybe you where a superior possibility for the double than for the yes...

blackmamba "ok, the trial is finished. I’m running with the Duals.

Had a REM session on Monday with the audi who fitted me with the Yes’. Fortunately there is truly nothing bizarre about the state of my channel, the estimations were steady with what the Phonak programming would anticipate. She just somewhat balanced my lows, turning them down only a hair.

I wore them whatever is left of Monday and after that today until the point when noon when I just couldn’t take it any more and returned on the Duals. When I wore the Yes’, I just felt like I was in an air pocket contrasted with the Duals. Presently, I am not making an esteem judgment about the Yes’. All in all they are a top notch instrument however for me, the Duals were obviously a superior fit and deliver a vastly improved outcome. Here are a few things I see straightforwardly:

I hear discussions better with the Duals, regardless of whether it be one on one in a calm situation or in a boisterous one.

I have a greatly improved ‘spatial feel’ for the sound I get with the Duals. I said in a past post that it’s like the audiophile idea of ‘headroom’. Sound is only significantly more common to me with the Duals than the Yes’. A LOT more characteristic.

I obviously have better directional feeling of hearing with the Duals. I could pinpoint the course of sound much preferred with them over the Yes’.

Also, I've specified that I am REALLY not an aficionado of the different iCom and MyPilot gadgets. I like the joining of Streamer a great deal more. Absence of stereo is no major ordeal. Transmitting a crappy flag by means of stereo doesn’t give a genuinely enhanced outcome over mono.

So there you have it. For me, the Duals gave a superior hearing background, and by a wide edge. Your mileage may fluctuate. "

I have not had the opportunity to test an arrangement of Audeo Yes so i can't remark on them in that capacity. Yet, that being said when i contrasted the Duals with other item out there i need to reafirm four of the above :

I believed i was in an air pocket contrasted with the Duals.

I heard discussions better with the Duals, regardless of whether it be one on one in a calm domain or in a loud one.

I had a superior ‘spatial feel’ for the sound . WOW I think this is an incredible component and i can't sit tight for this to improve sooner rather than later .

I obviously had directional feeling of hearing with the Duals. As said on a past post I could truely pinpoint the heading of sound .

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Razno Originally Posted by hearnow

Consequently the duals can't track discourse to the sides or behind naturally as it has no chance to get of knowing whether you wan to tune in to the discourse out of sight or before you. They all asume front, which is the reason Phonak has the Zoom Control whihc focusses on that bearing as well as transmits the sound of the heading picked into the opposide listening device too.

That is decent on the paper, yet its usefull is faulty? In auto in the event that you drive and dont need to hear kids from back is one circumstance. In the event that you are pasanger you turn your head thus zoom goes from side to back... That is in transport as well.. when you talk with somebody you usualy looking foward, to them and perhaps snappy swing to oposite to window... so zoom is not that helpful. Auto is better.

Just on the off chance that you need to listen that behind and disregard your significant other/spouse

About exchange to opposite side, conejo23 announced regardless of the possibility that he can see contrast betwen zoom and without in phonak (its setup that way, in the event that it isnt, they would not have that capacity) Duals did same employment well automatical...

I beleive in the event that one ear is truly awful (one confronting passanger in auto) there is advantage to have this framework.

hearnow Originally Posted by conejo23

So I have an inquiry concerning the Duals’ capacity to adjust the directionality of the mouthpieces. In one of their bits of writing they write:Directionality in a hearing gadget encourages you to concentrate on discourse

in uproarious circumstances. Double backings the world’s generally progressed

directional mouthpiece system2), which implies that you can

hear individuals talking notwithstanding when other clamor sources get in the

way. Double can be set to naturally diminish clamor originating from

behind you and also from the sides. Regardless of the possibility that you move or turn

your head, Dual will keep on reducing commotion so you can

focus completely on what is being said.

In the first place, would anyone be able to expand on this usefulness?

Second, the announcement in striking above says this usefulness CAN be empowered, which implies it additionally may not be empowered. Does anybody know whether theirs are set to do this or not, and assuming this is the case, any remarks on its adequacy?

I’ve specified on another string that I'm doing a double trial (play on words just halfway proposed) of the Duals and the Phonak Audeo Yes iXs. I appear to hear better with the Duals yet one thing I like about the Phonak highlight set is the capacity to utilize MyPilot to ‘zoom’ the receivers, guide them to concentrate on sounds originating from a specific heading. For instance, to one side if driving an auto and tuning in to your traveler. Do the Duals endeavor to do this consequently?

I should state, while I noticed a distinction while wearing the Yes’ when I zoomed contrasted with didn’t while riding in the auto, I appear to hear my significant other well wearing the Duals, also. So at the end of the day, the zoom highlight helped the Yes’ execution in that circumstance, yet not certain it gave a change over the Duals.

The Dual uses a Multi Adaptive directional mouthpiece cluster, which is the most exceptional current receiver system for getting discourse in foundation clamor, however it doesn't mean the Dual one is the best at its execution (Marketing talk makes it appear that way). Fundamentally the guide would choose in view of criteria, for example, input level, SNR and so on whether it needs to actuate the second mouthpiece. Once the criteria is met, the second receiver initiates adequately Zooming forward, grabbing discourse louder in front than behind or alongside you. It at that point tracks the 4 loudest sounds beside or behind you and scores them out, by changing the timinig between the two mouthpieces. Every directional framework dependably point forward as that is the place you are most likley to need to hear discourse. The component is dependably on as a matter of course however can be changed to settled directionality (no 4 clamor following), split directionality (where the low frequencies are in omni directional mode and the high frequencies are in directional mode) or omni directional ("encompass sound").

Contrast this with the Phonak Core stage which can track 33 boisterous clamors by and behind you and you can see it (Dual's execution) is not neccesarily the best. You presumably still heard discourse in the auto with both guides as you ears are unblocked (vaults are acoustically straightforward) and you may have heard the discourse unamplified from the sides in both guides.

In this manner the duals can't track discourse to the sides or behind naturally as it has no chance to get of knowing whether you wan to tune in to the discourse out of sight or before you. They all asume front, which is the reason Phonak has the Zoom Control whihc focusses on that course as well as transmits the sound of the bearing picked into the opposide portable amplifier too.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

So quick cross talking in expansive grups is not an issue?

Not for myself. This i observe to be one of the Dual's most grounded capacities is helping me hear discussions from different numerous sources inside a given space. Cross talking from time to time is ever or never an issue. I do be able to tune in on other individuals' discussion inside reason and afterward focus on that discussion in the event that i so do as such .

Likewise they never neglect to stun me on their capacity to give sound both separation and course. I never get tricked on where a specific sound is originating from and where that sound is going.

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

Similarly as a sidenote i have been urged my capacity to hear different discussions on the off chance that i need alongside the discussion i am included in at the time while wearing my Duals .

So quick cross talking in expansive grups is not an issue?

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

So I have an inquiry regarding the Duals’ capacity to adjust the directionality of the mouthpieces. In one of their bits of writing they write:Directionality in a hearing gadget causes you to concentrate on discourse

in uproarious circumstances. Double backings the world’s generally progressed

directional mouthpiece system2), which implies that you can

hear individuals talking notwithstanding when other clamor sources get in the

way. Double can be set to naturally diminish clamor originating from

behind you and from the sides. Regardless of the possibility that you move or turn

your head, Dual will keep on reducing clamor with the goal that you can

focus completely on what is being said.

To begin with, would anyone be able to expound on this usefulness?

Second, the announcement in intense above says this usefulness CAN be empowered, which implies it additionally may not be empowered. Does anybody know whether theirs are set to do this or not, and assuming this is the case, any remarks on its viability?

I’ve said on another string that I'm doing a double trial (joke just somewhat proposed) of the Duals and the Phonak Audeo Yes iXs. I appear to hear better with the Duals however one thing I like about the Phonak include set is the capacity to utilize MyPilot to ‘zoom’ the amplifiers, guide them to concentrate on sounds originating from a specific course. For instance, to one side if driving an auto and tuning in to your traveler. Do the Duals endeavor to do this consequently?

I should state, while I noticed a distinction while wearing the Yes’ when I zoomed contrasted with didn’t while riding in the auto, I appear to hear my better half well wearing the Duals, also. So as such, the zoom highlight helped the Yes’ execution in that circumstance, yet not certain it gave a change over the Duals.

"Directionality in a hearing gadget encourages you to concentrate on discourse

in uproarious circumstances. Double backings the world’s generally progressed

directional receiver system2), which implies that you can

hear individuals talking notwithstanding when other commotion sources get in the

way. Double can be set to naturally decrease clamor originating from

behind you and in addition from the sides. Regardless of the possibility that you move or turn

your head, Dual will keep on reducing commotion with the goal that you can

focus completely on what is being said. "

This fair appears like a repeat of how the Oticon VPP framework functions .

"Oticon's Voice Priority Processing (VPP) joins three flag preparing approaches: Multi-band Adaptive Directionality, TriState Noise Management and Voice Aligned Compression. Every one of the three work with the solidarity of one single handling objective to make an exact evaluation of the sound condition and change enhancement for ideal gathering of discourse . VPP distinguishes regardless of whether clamor is available, regardless of whether discourse is available, from which heading discourse is coming, what the general sound level is, regardless of whether there is wind commotion introduce ."

Yet, similarly as you recommend maybe it points towards the likelihood of having a program conejo23 set into your Streamer that once the three flag preparing methodologies of VPP do focus in on Speech that Speech could be totally focused on without commotion. I accumulate you consider this to be the likelihood of a Zoom highlight in the Duals ? You would feel that in the event that somebody had an Audi who was up for the errand with Dual's VPP framework should make this conceivable ? Anyone out there have such a program or know about such a program ?

Similarly as a sidenote i have been urged my capacity to hear different discussions on the off chance that i need alongside the discussion i am included in at the time while wearing my Duals .

conejo23 So I have an inquiry regarding the Duals’ capacity to adjust the directionality of the receivers. In one of their bits of writing they write:Directionality in a hearing gadget encourages you to concentrate on discourse

in uproarious circumstances. Double backings the world’s generally progressed

directional mouthpiece system2), which implies that you can

hear individuals talking notwithstanding when other clamor sources get in the

way. Double can be set to naturally lessen clamor originating from

behind you and in addition from the sides. Regardless of the possibility that you move or turn

your head, Dual will keep on reducing clamor with the goal that you can

focus completely on what is being said.

To start with, would anyone be able to expound on this usefulness?

Second, the announcement in intense above says this usefulness CAN be empowered, which implies it likewise may not be empowered. Does anybody know whether theirs are set to do this or not, and provided that this is true, any remarks on its viability?

I’ve said on another string that I'm doing a double trial (play on words just somewhat expected) of the Duals and the Phonak Audeo Yes iXs. I appear to hear better with the Duals however one thing I like about the Phonak highlight set is the capacity to utilize MyPilot to ‘zoom’ the amplifiers, guide them to concentrate on sounds originating from a specific bearing. For instance, to one side if driving an auto and tuning in to your traveler. Do the Duals endeavor to do this naturally?

I should state, while I noticed a distinction while wearing the Yes’ when I zoomed contrasted with didn’t while riding in the auto, I appear to hear my significant other well wearing the Duals, too. So at the end of the day, the zoom include helped the Yes’ execution in that circumstance, yet not certain it gave a change over the Duals.

conejo23 found this Oticon Dual white paper, thought I'd pass on the connection, well done on the innovation behind it. Appears to be superfluously hard to discover this stuff. Heaps of promoting cushion, however little on the science that undergirds it.http://www.oticon.com.au/au_en/About...Whitepaper.pdf

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

One inquiry: when you attempt this, is the Blackberry turned on and in go? Might need to take a stab at driving it down or killing its bluetooth, maybe that’s clashing somehow.

In the event that the Streamer is associated with other Bluetooth gadgets that are dynamic and inside its range. Ensure that all other close-by Bluetooth gadgets that have already been combined to the Streamer are killed before you rehash the matching procedure. Guarantee that the Bluetooth catch is turned off by squeezing the Bluetooth catch for around 2 to 3 seconds. Presently press and hold the Bluetooth catch until the point when it flashes. The Streamer is presently in blending mode

conejo23 I'm not certain about the inquiry. I’m accepting you’re making the Streamer and the iPhone both discoverable. So when you do that, you’re not getting the password ask for on the iPhone from the Streamer?

One inquiry: when you attempt this, is the Blackberry turned on and in extend? Might need to take a stab at controlling it down or killing its bluetooth, maybe that’s clashing somehow.

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

sullylog...after the 3.0 programming refresh, my iPhone now works wonderfully with Streamer in either telephone or music mode. No re-matching required.

I think about whether you have an issue with your Streamer.

I have discovered this myself.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Go.scott

I just got an arrangement of Duals w/Streamer. I can combine with my Blackberry yet my Iphone can't discover the Streamer. Is there something I have to do?

A decent inquiry since i have pondered about this myself . I am not totally beyond any doubt that i can answer this effectively however this is precisely how i would answer your inquiry.

Go to : http://www.myoticon.com/Streamer/Streamer1.aspx

Notice eventually the little detail on that site : Enter in the passkey 0000 (4 zeros) on the screen that shows up next.

This is the place i don't know ? Is this a one time passkey or something that must be entered everytime you need to add a cell to the Streamer ?

Go.scott I just got an arrangement of Duals w/Streamer. I can combine with my Blackberry however my Iphone can't discover the Streamer. Is there something I have to do?

conejo23 sullylog...after the 3.0 programming refresh, my iPhone now works delightfully with Streamer in either telephone or music mode. No re-blending required.

I think about whether you have an issue with your Streamer.

sullylog Hi all,

I'm new to amplifiers and to this gathering. So far I have observed this to be an extraordinary reference source, not a ton of good sources out there.

This is a duplicate of the email I sent to Oticon; (with no answer I parasite include)

I have an arrangement of double interface w’s and a streamer set up. The inquiry I have is, will the streamer work appropriately with a Bluetooth (a2dp) mobile phone that is likewise a music player? I’ve attempted both a Motorola ve20 and a LG beat with the indistinguishable outcome with both. The telephone association works fine the issue is with the music. It works fine after the underlying matching , it will switch forward and backward with an approaching get back to and to music. Be that as it may, in the event that you kill the music catch on the streamer it won't reconnect, the music light on the streamer just squints. To make the music player highlight of the telephone interface by means of Bluetooth again you should go through the opening matching procedure once more. I conversed with my audiologist about this and she had no thoughts

Any one with this issue, or any thoughts? With the ubiquity of stereo bluetooth and mp3 players on new telephones I would think this would be a typical set up to dispose of additional devises.

By the path one week from now my Audi is requesting me an arrangement of Phonak audeo yes IX with an Icom and mypilot. Much obliged

blackmamba Anybody out there with an arrangement of Dual Minis ?

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

i suspect as much yet you have to hang something first

So dont need to unpair, switch of or somewhere in the vicinity?

Portable ring, i get it.

Telephone ring, i get that?

When i am on telephone portable ring - nothing happen..?

For Xbulder - how might i see spot on if streamer is v1.2? What 1.2 convey to streamer?

Did anybody tryed siemens bluetooth telephones (sl370, sl 580..) with streamer (or i com)?

I dont have jabras in my nation, and discover answer and leave open not all that good choice. Likewise i am little woried if 10m bluetooth will cover my flat there are not 10 m sweep, but rather dividers and so....It crease that siemens have bt in headset.. that way i can take it a put where i need...

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

Cutting edge . Bluetooth truly added to the entire . These are not simply HAs but rather specialized gadgets. It causes me to feel better about wearing guides since bluetooth correspondence is an accommodation that others don't have. You should see the looks i get when i seem, by all accounts, to be conversing with myself and appear as though i am hearing voices ! LOL It can be truely Hilarious for me and scarey to them ! Is that person Crazy or What ?

I am looking foward to that.

Does anybody know how streamer and nokia 5800 xm cell work for calling and stereaming..

After i get it must get another cell and that nokia get my attention...

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

so what were your integral elements if not the sound?

Sound was my # 1 concern yet other sub concerns based on things like :

How basic are these to utilize ? The more Auto the better . The less messing around with catches to get what i need the better. Case I cherish NAD stereo gear with their energy and straightforwardness. Excessively numerous top of the line outfit things out there simply attempt to boggle the psyche with highlights that are never utilized however you are charged for. I needed execution and straightforwardness !

Looks to some degree. I didn't need or need something that Screamed Hearing Aid ! These Oticons can't be seen on me unless you are truly looking or just by unadulterated mischance.

Solace in and on the ear is genuine vital .

Innovative . Bluetooth truly added to the entire . These are not simply HAs but rather specialized gadgets. It encourages me to feel better about wearing guides since bluetooth correspondence is a comfort that others don't have. You should see the looks i get when i give off an impression of being conversing with myself and appear as though i am hearing voices ! LOL It can be truely Hilarious for me and scarey to them ! Is that person Crazy or What ?

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

What's more, that why without precedent for my life i am energized and scarcely holding up to get it. Seek it will work after me (to begin wear HAs)....

BT is cool element.. with that i can allways swing to fun on the off chance that somebody getting some information about ha's...

Double Connect XW name sound cooler than Widex Mind m4-m-CB!!!

I am looking discussion, yet didint discover clear answer about streamer. Is it conceivable to have cell and telephone in my flat same time associated wia BT with streamer?

That is to say, ofcourse they won't work parralel, however in the event that telephone ring will i have the capacity to answer if cell is not in work (on and associated, but rather not conversing with it) and the other way around?

i suspect as much yet you have to hang something first

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

Widex Passion 115 ; Widex Mind m4-m-CB ; Oticon Dual Connect XW. It truly got down to two including the Widex Mind m4-m-CB and Oticon Dual Connect XW. The Widex Mind m4-m-CB were not bluetooth be that as it may and the Oticons were . The Duals could do some cool things and they do perform !

What's more, that why without precedent for my life i am energized and barely holding up to get it. Seek it will work after me (to begin wear HAs)....

BT is cool element.. with that i can allways swing to fun in the event that somebody getting some information about ha's...

Initially Posted by conejo23

so what were your central components if not the sound?

Double Connect XW name sound cooler than Widex Mind m4-m-CB!!!

I am seeking discussion, however didint discover clear answer about streamer. Is it conceivable to have cell and telephone in my flat same time associated wia BT with streamer?

That is to say, ofcourse they won't work parralel, however in the event that telephone ring will i have the capacity to answer if cell is not in work (on and associated, but rather not conversing with it) and the other way around?

conejo23 Originally Posted by blackmamba

I got the opportunity to state it was extremely confounding for me when testing three diverse listening device sets. Chosing was troublesome in the event that i construct my decision absolutely with respect to sound alone.

so what were your central elements if not the sound?

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

I dont know why. How is your lows? I am certain that audi didnt take care of business since i heard my voice like without help - just there are s, f...

@blackmamba - oticon offer that element just in beat end best models. Double have it in xw (somwhere on oticon site is expressed and smaller than expected m9, however in datasheat there is not) and epoq xw as it were. That why i asked it.

Likewise, what other HA did you traled?

Widex Passion 115 ; Widex Mind m4-m-CB ; Oticon Dual Connect XW. It truly got down to two including the Widex Mind m4-m-CB and Oticon Dual Connect XW. The Widex Mind m4-m-CB were not bluetooth in any case and the Oticons were . The Duals could do some cool things and they do perform !

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

strikingly, this is the one region I'm battling with the most with my Duals, my own voice.

Don’t know whether it’s the instrument or the audi, however after the underlying fitting I officially enjoyed the sound of my own voice better with the Yes’. Still not certain about hearing others, require additional time there, however my own voice unquestionably sounds better. With the Duals, it still just sounds somewhat tinny and rough.

To be truthfull on the off chance that anything you may discover your voice maybe somewhat fresh/sharp in the first place. All things considered looking at the situation objectively, it was quite a while back that you could hear your voice or anything at that force. I found the most ideal approach to manage this at the outset was to set my volume maybe a couple beeps beneath the twofold beep ( the preset Oticon setting ). Really in the event that you voyage through a portion of the past strings on the Dual this has been routinely specified by Dual wearers.

Not certain what the tinny and rough would be on the grounds that that would be in opposition to myself and not quite the same as what others have specified in different posts on the Duals. There is a probability that your Audi was alowing you to end up plainly OK with your new guides before setting higher limits ? Whatever it is i am certain it would be a basic change by your Audi .

I got the chance to state it was exceptionally confounding for me when testing three diverse portable amplifier sets. Chosing was troublesome in the event that i construct my decision absolutely with respect to sound alone.

Squeezer53 Originally Posted by conejo23

Burrow the streamer, works extraordinary with my iPhone for telephone calls and with my iPhone or iPod Nano through the line. Can stream remotely from my Mac, yet not from the iPhone other than telephone calls, which is kinda irregular.

The absence of Streaming sound is on the iphone & iPod side not a restriction of the Streamer. Neither the iPod or iPhone does A2DP Bluetooth profile. However, fortunately the new working framework for iPhones (form 3.0) should include that ability. In the event that you update the working framework on your iPhone (free download from the iphone website) you will have the capacity to Stream music from the telephone to the Streamer without connecting to any wires.

I really did not get an iPhone on the grounds that it would not stream sound records. Since it does, I have requested an iPhone 3Gs! Can hardly wait til this Friday!!!

Razno Originally Posted by conejo23

curiously, this is the one territory I'm battling with the most with my Duals, my own particular voice.

Don’t know whether it’s the instrument or the audi, yet after the underlying fitting I effectively preferred the sound of my own voice better with the Yes’. Still not certain about hearing others, require additional time there, however my own particular voice unquestionably sounds better. With the Duals, it still just sounds somewhat tinny and rough.

I dont know why. How is your lows? I am certain that audi didnt hit the nail on the head since i heard my voice like without help - just there are s, f...

@blackmamba - oticon offer that element just in beat end best models. Double have it in xw (somwhere on oticon site is expressed and smaller than expected m9, yet in datasheat there is not) and epoq xw as it were. That why i asked it.

Additionally, what other HA did you traled?

conejo23 interestingly, this is the one region I'm battling with the most with my Duals, my own voice.

Don’t know whether it’s the instrument or the audi, yet after the underlying fitting I officially loved the sound of my own voice better with the Yes’. Still not certain about hearing others, require additional time there, yet my own voice unquestionably sounds better. With the Duals, it still just sounds somewhat tinny and rough.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

When i trialed deltas and epoq i was suprised how "my voice" work. When i put deltas (no mv) on i begin to redress my voice regardless of the possibility that volume of it was correct. Ppl around me likewise see that i changed my voice.

When i put epoq my voice sounded common and i didnt attempt to adjust it.

Same thing with Duals....

Does other brand have same framework to recognize if wearer talk and change snr?

I am certain there are bunches of awesome Hearing Aids out there Razno. I attempted 3 unique arrangements of helps and they were all great when it came to voice. Presently every one of the three were tuned by the same Audi and that was one of the territories he gave careful consideration to.

Razno When i trialed deltas and epoq i was suprised how "my voice" work. When i put deltas (no mv) on i begin to rectify my voice regardless of the possibility that volume of it was correct. Ppl around me likewise see that i changed my voice.

When i put epoq my voice sounded common and i didnt attempt to adjust it.

Same thing with Duals....

Does other brand have same framework to identify if wearer talk and change snr?

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

so on the off chance that I translate this effectively, they utilize their calculations to choose the program that upgrades s/n proportions utilizing information from both instruments, at that point they change both instruments to that program. Interestingly, does that mean with the Yes’, each instrument demonstrations separated from the other instrument, forms sounds and afterward switches it’s program in like manner?

Assuming this is the case, at that point hypothetically it is conceivable to get each instrument auto changing to an alternate program. You would need to have essentially unique sounds coming into each instrument, which I'd believe is improbable however not feasible.

"I get it. However, it’s promoting buildup to recommend the Duals do this and other top of the line instruments don’t. They ALL do this.

The inquiry is the way they go about it and how compelling the wearer sees that particular arrangement. Yet, there isn’t a top of the line instrument available that doesn’t endeavor to survey the listening condition and naturally acclimate to empower enhanced discourse clearness. " conejo23

As dependably in life there are a few approaches to go to an answer for an issue. Both Phonak and Oticon see the Big Picture the Same however utilize an alternate arrangement of parameters .

From what i have perused is that they both utilize the " Classical Approach " which sets a progression of standards and utilize these guidelines to deal with their gadget responses to accoustic situations . Phonak and Oticon don't utilize a " Statistical Approach " where expansive arrangements of information are broke down to discover examples and sweeping statements “Fuzzy Logic” . The principles are not unequivocally expressed at the beginning but rather governs are then derived by the framework as a yield of the information examination.

So they both put stock in the " Classical Approach" yet comprehend this with various parameters .

Phonak utilizes four acoustic situations ; Quiet, Speech in Noise, Noise and Music . The acoustic condition is consistently observed, arranged into these classifications, and If, for instance, nature investigation demonstrates the nearness of discourse, calm, clamor and music, a program is made that addresses these particular conditions. As nature changes, the projects will ceaselessly rearrange and the mixed program changes starting with one territory then onto the next. This happens consequently as the earth requires

Oticon's Voice Priority Processing (VPP) consolidates three flag preparing approaches: Multi-band Adaptive Directionality, TriState Noise Management and Voice Aligned Compression. Every one of the three work with the solidarity of one single handling objective to make a precise evaluation of the sound condition and change enhancement for ideal gathering of discourse . VPP identifies regardless of whether clamor is available, regardless of whether discourse is available, from which heading discourse is coming, what the general sound level is, regardless of whether there is wind commotion display and as the sound condition transforms they refresh settings .This happens consequently as the earth requires .

One thing that i have found in the past is that the Duals speak with each other with a brought together approach and this has a vital influence by they way they perceive and control criticism ?

Xbulder said "The duals both instruments works like one. What I mean is that two instrument works like one bound together single processor. The Yes, are totally uncordinated instrument. So in that sense, Dual is trully a Binaural instrument where as Yes is a reciprocal instrument. Once more, this is hypothesis. "

I have never observed anything despite what might be expected with reference to what Xbulder reports in the above.

In any case at last why do we truly mind ? What we are searching for is the final product . At last we get to picked what we like best and need to live with that decision till it comes time to buy another set. My decision ended up being an arrangement of Oticon XW's thus far i have no second thoughts and i trust it remains as such !

By the way i have been following your string conejo23 "Examination: Oticon Dual XW versus Phonak Audeo Yes iX "http://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=4165

This is an intriguing comparitive and whatever decision you settle on will be your decision.

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conejo23 Originally Posted by blackmamba

The capacity to differentiate amongst clamor and talked words is one of the main things to go as people lose their listening ability. Duals enable individuals to isolate the two by following and improving discourse while decreasing immaterial clamors. They at that point modify their execution in light of a "soundscape" as in a recollected acoustic condition..

I get it. Be that as it may, it’s advertising buildup to recommend the Duals do this and other top of the line instruments don’t. They ALL do this.

The inquiry is the way they go about it and how viable the wearer sees that individual arrangement. In any case, there isn’t a top of the line instrument available that doesn’t endeavor to evaluate the listening condition and naturally change in accordance with empower enhanced discourse clearness.

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

so in the event that I decipher this accurately, they utilize their calculations to choose the program that enhances s/n proportions utilizing information from both instruments, at that point they change both instruments to that program. Conversely, does that mean with the Yes’, each instrument demonstrations separated from the other instrument, forms sounds and after that switches it’s program in like manner?

Assuming this is the case, at that point hypothetically it is conceivable to get each instrument auto changing to an alternate program. You would need to have altogether extraordinary sounds coming into each instrument, which I'd believe is improbable yet not feasible.

Here are two articles on Artificial Intelligence as it identifies with Oticon .http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...elligence.htmlhttp://www.audiologyonline.com/artic...article_id=733

The capacity to differentiate amongst commotion and talked words is one of the principal things to go as people lose their listening ability. Duals enable individuals to isolate the two by following and upgrading discourse while lessening immaterial clamors. They at that point modify their execution in light of a "soundscape" as in a recalled acoustic condition..

conejo23 Originally Posted by xbulder

The duals both instruments works like one. What I mean is that two instrument works like one brought together single processor. The Yes, are totally uncordinated instrument.

So in that sense, Dual is trully a Binaural instrument where as Yes is a respective instrument. Once more, this is hypothesis.

so on the off chance that I decipher this effectively, they utilize their calculations to choose the program that enhances s/n proportions utilizing information from both instruments, at that point they change both instruments to that program. Conversely, does that mean with the Yes’, each instrument demonstrations separated from the other instrument, forms sounds and after that switches it’s program as needs be?

Assuming this is the case, at that point hypothetically it is conceivable to get each instrument auto changing to an alternate program. You would need to have altogether extraordinary sounds coming into each instrument, which I'd believe is far-fetched however not feasible.

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

xw is the highest point of the line demonstrate, it has every one of the chimes and wistles. It ought to be great

That ought to be said in regards to simens untouchable, yet i see a ton of negative pundits. Also, that not bluetooth or size(look) of tek related...

xbulder Originally Posted by conejo23

yes, the Duals utilize AI to choose the best program for upgrading S/N proportions, yet the Yes’ additionally appear to have some sort of auto-examination and auto program exchanging usefulness. They discuss it in their showcasing writing, how you can move from a taxicab to a breezy road to a swarmed eatery and the Yes’ will consequently adjust to every condition.

So I don't know that the Duals do anything the Yes’ don’t, they most likely do what needs to be done distinctively and it’s a matter of taste which improve.

My audi said that all the top flight HAs will utilize an excellent chip that will break down sound data sources and alter programming to advance the listening background. Simply a question of which calculations fit better for the particular client.

The duals both instruments works like one. What I mean is that two instrument works like one brought together single processor. The Yes, are totally uncordinated instrument.

So in that sense, Dual is trully a Binaural instrument where as Yes is a two-sided instrument. Once more, this is hypothesis.

conejo23 yes, the Duals utilize AI to choose the best program for enhancing S/N proportions, yet the Yes’ likewise appear to have some sort of auto-investigation and auto program exchanging usefulness. They discuss it in their advertising writing, how you can move from a taxicab to a breezy road to a swarmed eatery and the Yes’ will naturally adjust to every condition.

So I don't know that the Duals do anything the Yes’ don’t, they most likely get it done contrastingly and it’s a matter of taste which improve.

My audi said that all the top flight HAs will utilize an exceptional chip that will break down sound information sources and alter programming to improve the listening knowledge. Simply a question of which calculations fit better for the separate client.

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

That mean ppl are not statified with speach clearness and capacity in clamor of oticon item, or ppl simply like elements of phonak more?

Likewise, i was discussing xw show...

xw is the highest point of the line display, it has every one of the ringers and wistles. It ought to be great

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

Is this the correct approach? While it sounds theor. fine. I have seen extremely fulfilled clients with Phonak instruments.

That mean ppl are not statified with speach lucidity and capacity in clamor of oticon item, or ppl simply like elements of phonak more?

Likewise, i was discussing xw show...

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Usualy i appreciate tuning in to hifi So, hifi with just 1 speaker will be. Don't worry about it...

Science fiction?

I am holding up HA witch will be general interpreter like in star treck

Likewise in the event that i ask Duals, what is 12*15,45= to find a solution. Likewise, when i am exhausted they should reveal to me a few jokes... Or, then again to reveal to me what to state to look keen in atomic phisic tradition

In any case, most importantly i need ot hear ppl, and trust duals will do that corectly.

What's more, to me what they should do before mp3 in show/corridor and comunicate with coffe/loundry machine and such things is to work in clamor like nightclubing...

Blackmamba, would you be able to portray how that spatial sound of double function? what did you see/listen?

Furthermore, one inquiry for xbulder. I was looking betwen smaller than expected and conn. I settled on associate.

I accept interfaces comunicate so when one switch program other do that to? Additionally an onmi or directional switch?

On the off chance that so What is occurring in delta/small scale. Is there a circumstances where a slack is available or even two unique projects from each ha?

The appropriate response relies on upon which double associate you are getting. There are dif. levels of remote on the off chance that you think, 1) straightforward coordination, you change volume with your correct instrument then the left will change also (this is not material to the duals but rather yes to the epoqs. 2) Sincronization, this implies both instruments works like 1. So for instance on the off chance that one instruments is set to be in directional, at that point it will educate the other to do as such. also, 3) Binaural pressure.

On the switch program, any associate you switch programs utilizing the streamer. Nonetheless on the off chance that you think it works like the Phonaks, where the instrument changes from programs.

Oticon just doesn't. Oticon works utilizing counterfeit consciousness. The fundamental preface is that something like the acoustic enviroment can not be anticipated, in this way the best arrangement is utilizing parallel preparing. The most ideal way this works is that the instrument

discovers what conv of elements yields the most elevated Signal to clamor proportion. A sets the instrument thusly. AI is available in most mid value Oticon instruments.

Is this the correct approach? While it sounds theor. fine. I have seen extremely fulfilled clients with Phonak instruments.

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

The fact of the matter being said is that yes what we have is Mono yet we live in a world that is off by a long shot to being even stereo. Consider it when we go out to buy another home framework we are talking no less than a 5 way framework ( Front x 2, Center x 1, Rear x 1 and Sub ) . What i absolutely appreciate about my XW's is their spacial capacity. That encompassed by sound impact with space and bearing when wearing our guides .

Razno we are not there yet but rather trust you me it is only an issue time ( genuine short ) before a processor will be utilized as a part of our HA that we can pick between Hall/Concert/Stadium/and so on !

Usualy i appreciate tuning in to hifi So, hifi with just 1 speaker will be. Forget about it...

Science fiction?

I am holding up HA witch will be widespread interpreter like in star treck

Likewise in the event that i ask Duals, what is 12*15,45= to find a solution. Likewise, when i am exhausted they should disclose to me a few jokes... Or, then again to disclose to me what to state to look brilliant in atomic phisic tradition

Be that as it may, most importantly i need ot hear ppl, and trust duals will do that corectly.

What's more, to me what they should do before mp3 in show/corridor and comunicate with coffe/loundry machine and such things is to work in commotion like nightclubing...

Blackmamba, would you be able to portray how that spatial sound of double function? what did you see/listen?

Also, one inquiry for xbulder. I was looking betwen smaller than expected and conn. I picked interface.

I expect associates comunicate so when one switch program other do that to? Likewise an onmi or directional switch?

In the event that so What is going on in delta/smaller than normal. Is there a circumstances where a slack is available or even two distinct projects from each ha?

xbulder Originally Posted by blackmamba

The reality of the situation being said is that yes what we have is Mono however we live in a world that is way off the mark to being even stereo. Consider it when we go out to buy another home framework we are talking no less than a 5 way framework ( Front x 2, Center x 1, Rear x 1 and Sub ) . What i absolutely appreciate about my XW's is their spacial capacity. That encompassed by sound impact with space and bearing when wearing our guides .

Razno we are not there yet but rather trust you me it is only an issue time ( genuine short ) before a processor will be utilized as a part of our HA that we can pick between Hall/Concert/Stadium/and so on !

Crap i wish somebody would simply go along and say what is out there now is quite recently not worthy and we will change this entire BABY STEPS mindset. Yes i am alluding to the "That is Bleed those suckers dry mindset before we present another thought .

I need to trust that things will turn out to be WAY COOL and i mean WAY COOL !

new quality. of Hearing instruments should come in 3 yrs time..

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

Still mono, isnt it?

Alter:

I ponder, if sound of television, pc or mp3 is stereo, does streamer blend it up and send to ha, or there is just a single chanel (let say cleared out)?

The fact of the matter being said is that yes what we have is Mono yet we live in a world that is way off the mark to being even stereo. Consider it when we go out to buy another home framework we are talking no less than a 5 way framework ( Front x 2, Center x 1, Rear x 1 and Sub ) . What i thoroughly appreciate about my XW's is their spacial capacity. That encompassed by sound impact with space and bearing when wearing our guides .

Razno we are not there yet but rather trust you me it is only an issue time ( genuine short ) before a processor will be utilized as a part of our HA that we can pick between Hall/Concert/Stadium/and so on !

Poop i wish somebody would simply tag along and say what is out there now is recently not worthy and we will change this entire BABY STEPS attitude. Yes i am alluding to the "That is Bleed those suckers dry mindset before we present another thought .

I need to trust that things will turn out to be WAY COOL and i mean WAY COOL !

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Still mono, isnt it?

Alter:

I ponder, if sound of television, pc or mp3 is stereo, does streamer blend it up and send to ha, or there is just a single chanel (let say cleared out)?

I never had sound quality issues..

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

you can interface it to any audiosource, similar to an ipod por for instance

Still mono, isnt it?

Alter:

I ponder, if sound of television, pc or mp3 is stereo, does streamer blend it up and send to ha, or there is just a single chanel (let say cleared out)?

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

It can.. it can be pluged in any simple source.. be that as it may, oticon connector is probaby a great deal more costly than bt usb connector...

you can interface it to any audiosource, similar to an ipod por for instance

Razno Originally Posted by blackmamba

Yet, in the event that the ConnectLine associates with a television then why not a pc with a soundcard ? http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...tvadaptor.html

Clearly there are individuals here that may have one of these or know alot more than i do about doing what you need to do.

It can.. it can be pluged in any simple source.. yet, oticon connector is probaby a great deal more costly than bt usb connector...

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

Does somebody know how to interface streamer and pc? Is it posible with some bt dongle (like with bt earphone and so)...

That would be extraordinary for night playing. too terrible sound is mono

I might not have the response for this since i have not seen nor have i utilized the ConnectLine item . I don't know whether i would have an utilization for this item from the restricted measure of writing i have seen ?

In any case, if the ConnectLine interfaces with a television then why not a pc with a soundcard ? http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...tvadaptor.html

Clearly there are individuals here that may have one of these or know alot more than i do about doing what you need to do.

Razno Does somebody know how to interface streamer and pc? Is it posible with some bt dongle (like with bt earphone and so)...

That would be extraordinary for night playing. too terrible sound is mono

xbulder Originally Posted by blackmamba

I thought i may say that i have been changing my batteries each 7 days ( Mondays ). The Dual Connects utilize 312 batteries and rate their normal use at 140 hours. I figure i normal around 14 hours in a day mulling over everything.

I have driven the envelope out of intrigue and it was my conviction that there was an execution drop when the batteries were feeble yet not totally out of energy ?

In any case the cost of batteries is not that awesome that i feel the need excessively get more out of them than the 7 days . Other than it is alot less demanding to advise myself that battery day is Monday and dependably have a lot of energy available for later.

As a side note the Dual Mini utilize 10 A batteries and rate their normal use at 105 hours.

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blackmamba I thought i may say that i have been changing my batteries each 7 days ( Mondays ). The Dual Connects utilize 312 batteries and rate their normal use at 140 hours. I figure i normal around 14 hours in a day thinking about everything.

I have driven the envelope out of intrigue and it was my conviction that there was an execution drop when the batteries were feeble yet not totally out of energy ?

In any case the cost of batteries is not that awesome that i feel the need excessively get more out of them than the 7 days . Other than it is alot simpler to advise myself that battery day is Monday and dependably have a lot of energy available for later.

As a side note the Dual Mini utilize 10 A batteries and rate their normal use at 105 hours.

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

i like it that way - i can concentrate on discussion, and AI deal with rest.

How are double xw in commotion restorant, or bar? How they center when voices are all over the place? I didint attempt them in such circumstance.. i asume they concentrate on frontal?

Really, not necesarilly will it concentrate on frontal. The decision of the directional mode

relies on upon where the prevailing discourse originates from. you could be superbly

requesting a lager while your significant other may be asking from behind. If so

at that point the instrument may in actuality be set at omni.

Epoq attempts to protect the best SNR that is the manner by which AI works.

Razno @ BlackMamba. I didnt see your erlier answer. ... Much obliged you.

I am looking foward to test it in such circumstances... in the wake of attempting and puting in drower ITC 10 y prior, this is scifi for me...

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

i like it that way - i can concentrate on discussion, and AI deal with rest.

How are double xw in commotion restorant, or bar? How they center when voices are all over? I didint attempt them in such circumstance.. i asume they concentrate on frontal?

I can let you know for a fact this is the place the XWs truly exceed expectations . I have no clue how that functions however . Believe me it works so well for me that i can even tune in on different people groups discussions on the off chance that i need .

Razno Originally Posted by xbulder

Razno:

Oticon instruments depend on AI, consequently there is no requirement for various program.

the way this works is that the instrument searches for most astounding sign to clamor proportion.

What's more, it is actuated by voice. Be that as it may, when the flag of intrigue is Music, at that point a portion of the deed. should be cripple. Thus the requirement for a music program.

Other than that there ought not be a requirement for numerous projects..

i like it that way - i can concentrate on discussion, and AI deal with rest.

How are double xw in clamor restorant, or bar? How they center when voices are all around? I didint attempt them in such circumstance.. i asume they concentrate on frontal?

blackmamba Originally Posted by Razno

Would someone be able to disclose to me what you get in bundle with dualxw?

Is there some case to cary it around? Cleaning device? something else?

Streamer accompanied two straps?

How might i change programs? i saw just music and telephone catch?

Thnx.

Is there some case to bear it ? Yes a hard and delicate case ( White in shading ? )

Cleaning instrument ? Yes

Streamer accompanied two straps? Yes long and short .

How might i change programs ? The Volume is controlled up or around the long catch to one side . You can change programs by holding the volume catch down a couple of moments on the off chance that you do have different projects set there by your Audi ? Converse with your Audi about your needs and needs . Program 1 will be 1 beap , program 2 will be 2 beaps , program 3 will be 3 beaps et cetera . The telephone catch lights green when you are making or getting a call by means of bluetooth. When you have finished your call hit the telephone fasten to hang .

something else? A few batteries and ear buds however i think the audi manages these things ? Manuals and extremely pleasant bundling. Streamer on the off chance that you buy the Streamer alongside the 2 straps and a skin to ensure your streamer in the event that you wish .

Bluetooth ? http://www.myoticon.com/Streamer/Streamer1.aspx

Here is an extraordinary page for Dual Connect and Mini Instructional Videos :http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...al/videos.html

Other than that it is extremely cool that your XW's do utilize AI ( computerized reasoning ) to make your listening ability encounter as basic and agreeable as could be expected under the circumstances.

xbulder Originally Posted by Razno

Would someone be able to disclose to me what you get in bundle with dualxw?

Is there some case to cary it around? Cleaning apparatus? something else?

Streamer accompanied two straps?

How might i change programs? i saw just music and telephone catch?

Thnx.

Razno:

Oticon instruments depend on AI, in this manner there is no requirement for various program.

the way this works is that the instrument searches for most elevated flag to clamor proportion.

Also, it is actuated by voice. Nonetheless, when the flag of intrigue is Music, at that point a portion of the accomplishment. should be cripple. Subsequently the requirement for a music program.

Other than that there ought not be a requirement for various projects..

conejo23 Razno....your audiologist ought to run over all that with you.

I got a hard case and a littler delicate case with mine, a cleaning instrument, two or three straps, some additional vaults, wax channels and batteries.

You’ll change programs with the Streamer, in the event that you have various projects.

Razno Can somebody reveal to me what you get in bundle with dualxw?

Is there some case to cary it around? Cleaning instrument? something else?

Streamer accompanied two straps?

How might i change programs? i saw just music and telephone catch?

Thnx.

blackmamba Hi Folks i just recovered my Streamer today. Yes i needed to send it out for repair on June 1 and had it come back to me today. I had an issue with the bluetooth catch on the Streamer. My telephone could see the Streamer however it couldn't interface with the Streamer. The Streamer catch did not have that moderate glimmering blue shine we search for when it is in bluetooth mode.

In any case it is back in working request. I thought i would put this on here for reference on the off chance that others have an issue with their Streamer.

xbulder Originally Posted by hookuakahi

I have been trying different Oticon portable hearing assistants for mellow high recurrence misfortune. My Audiologist has been very useful yet I thought individuals about this gathering would have the capacity to answer this particular inquiry. I am pondering about the lucidity 2 reason. I ask in light of the fact that when I attempted the Dual XW's it appears like the foundation commotion removes intermittently. Perusing about them I see there are two diverse fitting modes VAC and claritiy two. It appears like mine more likely than not been set for the VAC due to the foundation removed.

Anyway, I would run with the Delta 8000's on account of the slice out was extremely perturbing to me, yet now I see there might be an alternate mode to work in. Would someone be able to remark on the distinctions I may listen? Much appreciated!

VAC and clearness and lucidity 2 will be 2 dif. fitting recipes.

To make things straightforward, lucidity is utilized for soak inclining misfortunes. To be utilized with

corda, corda2 or ceremony instruments with open vault of tulips..

For low freq. misfortunes, VAC is recommend it is reasonable for Rite influence with influence arch,

small scale shape or standart earmold...

For a clarifications, there is a potcast on the prof. area

conejo23 hopefully this will help answer the above inquiry, and after that be an asset when all is said in done.

I was looking and found the Oticon Dual Fitting Guide. You can download/see it here:http://www.oticonusa.com/eprise/main...ttingGuide.pdf

I think it’s group of onlookers is those whom are fitting us, however it has a great deal of good data. Concerning the inquiry above, it says on page 30:

Mellow/direct HF hearing misfortunes:

Genie endorses the Clarity2 method of reasoning.

The Clarity2 method of reasoning is discourse clearness and enhanced intel-

ligibility in clamor.

Direct, serious LF hearing misfortune and conductive misfortunes:

Genie endorses the VAC method of reasoning.

VAC (Voice Aligned Compression) gives intensification in

the low, mid and high frequencies. The general objective is

clamor standardization.

hookuakahi I have been trying different Oticon portable amplifiers for gentle high recurrence misfortune. My Audiologist has been very useful yet I thought individuals about this discussion would have the capacity to answer this particular inquiry. I am pondering about the clearness 2 method of reasoning. I ask in light of the fact that when I attempted the Dual XW's it appears like the foundation clamor removes intermittently. Perusing about them I see there are two diverse fitting modes VAC and claritiy two. It appears like mine probably been set for the VAC in light of the foundation removed.

Anyway, I would run with the Delta 8000's on account of the slice out was exceptionally unsettling to me, yet now I see there might be an alternate mode to work in. Would someone be able to remark on the distinctions I may listen? Much appreciated!

conejo23 I do what the above blurb does, I just wear it around my neck when I'm making or expecting a call. Whatever remains of the time I simply wrap the circle around the unit and stick it in my pocket

islanderbaw Only time I wear the streamer around my neck is when making an approach my mobile phone (this is for mic arrangement and availability); else you can have it anyplace. That being said there is the pratical side of things. The streamer has the neckloop and in the event that you take if off your neck where do you put the entire thing? My winter coat has a decent pocket yet different circumstances it doesn't work so you wind up keeping it around your neck. I additionally take the neckloop off and simply slide the Streamer in my pocket; works fine. You can keep on wearing the neckloop and disclose to yourself it's a cool piece around your neck or put it some place.

AgentEleven Do you wear the streamer around your neck constantly?

Do the volume and program controls just work when the streamer's around your neck or would you be able to convey it in your pocket?

islanderbaw Hi conejo23 . . . I have the Streamer with the Dual Connect. I was altogether amped up for all the diverse programming choices, volume controls, and so on and so on. what's more, invested a touch of energy with my audi tuning in for sounds and setting everything up. I have the streamer set with 3 programs and have volume control levels both here and there, too which truly comes in helpful once in a while. I need to concede, I likely effectively utilize the streamer around 30% of the time (no place close what I thought); and the vast majority of that is when making wireless calls and utilizing my guide as my blue-tooth gadget . . . truly cool. (On blue-tooth without require the gadget every other person needs.) When doing this the music catch on the Streamer turn into a quiet; this is incredible in light of the fact that it kills the mics and you can concentrate on the sound originating from your wireless into your guide. Blocks out the outside world and clamor.

I set the other program for truly boisterous conditions and music however have once in a while utilized them . . . not terrible but rather I discover whatever the guides are doing all alone is truly working.

Expectation this makes a difference.

conejo23 I'd appreciate hearing more about the two distinctive programmed programs.

Also, I like having one of the manual projects be a quiet. You can’t kill these puppies, so perhaps I can have her make a program that just takes each recurrence lift to zero. So in case I'm in a film that is simply wrenching and I neglected to carry a case with me, I can simply turn them basically off.

blackmamba galan mentioned on another string that and i cite " I am less sure about the Duals with respect to what number of projects they have in the mechanization plot. However the Streamer gives you a chance to choose from 4 program areas. From what my audi let me know, I can choose from two diverse programmed exchanging calculations, one a standard setting and one that is more forceful as far as commotion control. The third is for Music and the fourth I picked as a Mute capacity (mics turned down)."

Other than this is all i at any point found out about such programing. I think maybe Xbulder entirely well says it right be that as it may. The effortlessness of how the HA's function on programing is a major piece of the Duals.

conejo23 I comprehend that’s how they’re expected to function. Yet, I saw they have programs like “Calm” or “energized” (passing by memory, they may be called something else) and I'm pondering what those should do. Would simply like some data on what these projects are and their motivation so I can choose in the event that I'd jump at the chance to attempt them. In any case, I'm finding no documentation on them.

xbulder Originally Posted by conejo23

what's more, an inquiry concerning programs.

So far the main program I have is a music program, however in taking a gander at the product amid a fitting session, it shows up there are a few others that could be transferred. Any thought what they are and what they do?

for the most part, oticon works with AI. So you dont truly require a ton of projects.

The way it works, is that the instruments figures a few situations and picks the

one that give the most elevated flag to clamor proportion

conejo23 and an inquiry regarding programs.

So far the main program I have is a music program, however in taking a gander at the product amid a fitting session, it shows up there are a few others that could be transferred. Any thought what they are and what they do?

blackmamba Originally Posted by conejo23

I’ve had my Duals (with Streamer) for around 3 weeks now. All things considered I like them, yet despite everything i'm changing.

The entire “you overlook you have them in” thing? Not there yet. Still feels like I have something stuck in my ear.

Discussions are great. Truly boisterous eateries are still somewhat of a test. Additionally observed Terminator Salvation and truly battled, it was SO uproarious. Wished I could’ve quieted them. Didn’t have my case with me so didn’t need to take them out, so simply turned the volume the distance down and endured. Left the motion picture, yet didn’t need to make my family feel ungainly.

My greatest grumbling so far is my own particular voice. So far I can’t make them sound normal to me. Still sounds tinny. Trusting we can at present get that dialed in.

It would be ideal if you stay up with the latest conejo23. I seek everything works out after you. Maybe we can get a few pointers here from a portion of the HA fitters on this discussion or some individual who has encountered some of your issues ?

I myself never had the tinny voice issue. It was increasingly the inverse in the event that anything. They were concerned that it may even be excessively . I had the choice to run with a softening up period for new clients so i could get use to the sound of my new portable amplifiers . I quit and went straightforwardly their maximum capacity . Would it be able to be that ?

As to heading off to the theater there most likely is a decent shot that you will wind up turning down the sound on your Streamer/Aids. I have appreciated the Music program while at the theater yet i am almost certain i have some volume lessening going on.

It required me some investment yet i truly like how these fit IN and ON my ears. The greatest change for me was having a Custom RITE Mold made for my left ear. I utilize the "In addition to Dome " in my privilege ear.http://www.oticonusa.com/Oticon/Prof...lexiblity.html

conejo23 I’ve had my Duals (with Streamer) for around 3 weeks now. All things considered I like them, yet regardless i'm altering.

The entire “you overlook you have them in” thing? Not there yet. Still feels like I have something stuck in my ear.

Discussions are great. Truly boisterous eateries are still somewhat of a test. Likewise observed Terminator Salvation and truly battled, it was SO uproarious. Wished I could’ve quieted them. Didn’t have my case with me so didn’t need to take them out, so simply turned the volume the distance down and endured. Left the motion picture, however didn’t need to make my family feel clumsy.

My greatest protest so far is my own voice. So far I can’t make them sound normal to me. Still sounds tinny. Trusting we can even now get that dialed in.

Burrow the streamer, works incredible with my iPhone for telephone calls and with my iPhone or iPod Nano by means of the rope. Can stream remotely from my Mac, yet not from the iPhone other than telephone calls, which is kinda irregular.

I work with customers doing exercise treatment, essentially none do not understand (what number of those saw or not), a couple have asked what that is and when I take it off and demonstrate to them the reaction is dependably “wow, those are amazing”.

FYI, simply put in my first battery request. Examined and found the Power Ones at a truly decent cost from www.localbattery.com, requested and had them inside seven days. Substantially less expensive than Batteries Plus.

blackmamba Originally Posted by Clatter

LOVE this string. Keep it coming. My audi is suggesting duels for me. (Another the YES IV's) So I'm a wipe on this.

I saw a before post that said bluetooth music is mono?

Here is a fascinating video for you Clatter.http://www.audiologyonline.com/manag...video_hld.html

Likewise this site may be instructive for those that need to burrow around for information.http://www.audiologyonline.com/channels/oticon.asp

blackmamba Originally Posted by galan

The iCom streams in stereo, while the Streamer is mono.

See my full examination of Dual versus Audeo Yes athttp://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=3983

Extremely Cool ! Much thanks galan for the connection to your string. Decent to see the pics likewise which ought to be discovered all the more regularly on this Forum .

galan The iCom streams in stereo, while the Streamer is mono.

See my full examination of Dual versus Audeo Yes athttp://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=3983

Grandpa Originally Posted by hippeaux

From what I review, the Oticon Streamer communicates Bluetooth flags to both ears, however in mono. By differentiate, the Phonak iCom transmits to both ears in stereo.

Doesn't the iCom utilize a neckloop? Is it feasible for a neckloop to flag the left and right guides autonomously, that is with various signs?

Grandpa

hippeaux From what I review, the Oticon Streamer communicates Bluetooth flags to both ears, yet in mono. By differentiate, the Phonak iCom transmits to both ears in stereo.

blackmamba Xbulder has it ideal in that it is mono. Is that in light of the circle or the streamer Xbulder ?

One thing that gets alot of curiousity from others is the point at which you accept a call or send a call utilizing the streamer framework. Everyone scratches their head pondering what the hell is going on ? Who is he conversing with and how can he do that ? At the point when clarified clearly they are thinking those are not quite recently amplifiers ? I bother and call them PCD's . What the hell is that ? " Personal Communication Devices " and some time or another we will all be wearing them.

xbulder Originally Posted by Clatter

LOVE this string. Keep it coming. My audi is prescribing duels for me. (Another the YES IV's) So I'm a wipe on this.

I saw a before post that said bluetooth music is mono?

This is valid, in any case I never had grumbles similarly as how the telephone or

music sounds...

Clatter LOVE this string. Keep it coming. My audi is suggesting duels for me. (Another the YES IV's) So I'm a wipe on this.

I saw a before post that said bluetooth music is mono?

xbulder Originally Posted by smok3y

I don't utilize the skin that accompanied it. I favor it without it on. Don't generally feel a requirement for it. So it might get a couple of scratches yet whatever. Not to exacting about that. I got the dark streamer as opposed to the white one.

I was uninformed that the other neck string in the case was an alternate length. I was asking why I had 2 of them however didn't take a gander at the other one. I am accepting I am as of now utilizing the more one as it appears to hang bring down on my chest. Not certain in the event that I would need the shorter one as I more often than not interface my iPod to the streamer and have the line under my shirt to my pockets where my iPod is.

I ran with the dark colored/chocolate hued Dual's. They were the nearest match to my hair shading and to my glasses edge and they mixed in well. I needed to limit perceivability.

An answer for the Ipod should turn out soon

Oticon has rebranded the streamer in what they call interface line..

they are attempting to turn out with an aggregate arrangement

smok3y I don't utilize the skin that accompanied it. I lean toward it without it on. Don't generally feel a requirement for it. So it might get a couple of scratches however whatever. Not to exacting about that. I got the dark streamer as opposed to the white one.

I was unconscious that the other neck string in the container was an alternate length. I was asking why I had 2 of them however didn't take a gander at the other one. I am expecting I am at present utilizing the more one as it appears to hang bring down on my chest. Not certain on the off chance that I would need the shorter one as I more often than not associate my iPod to the streamer and have the rope under my shirt to my pockets where my iPod is.

I ran with the darker/chocolate shaded Dual's. They were the nearest match to my hair shading and to my glasses casing and they mixed in well. I needed to limit perceivability.

blackmamba Thanks smok3y for giving your thought on the Steamer. Some extraordinary client data for anybody investigating the Dual associates with streamer. Did you put the skin on your streamer ? Are you utilizing the shorter or longer neckloop ?

The music program for me smok3y has more to do with opening up the sound field. The sound field appears to be more exspansive in the music program to me. This turns out to be more obvious to me when volume levels are expanded above simply mood melodies. I don't believe that bass or treble enhances for me in the music program ? I require some all the more listening time to make sense of that one.

What shading are your Duals ? I ran with dark.

smok3y I was considering getting the TV connector in the long run. I don't generally watch that much TV however and observe a large portion of my stimulation on my PC. Be that as it may, I get it is something I could simply connect to my PC. I was interested on the off chance that I could simply get one of those USB bluetooth connectors for the PC and simply stream sound through that to the streamer. I'll need to explore that more as I'm certain that would be a significantly less expensive arrangement.

xbulder Originally Posted by smok3y

I got myself a couple of the Oticon Dual W's the other week alongside the Streamer. So far I've been appreciating them a considerable measure. Before getting the Oticon I had trialed a couple of Zon 7's and I absolutly detested those listening devices. I found that the Zon 7's were making a decent attempt to change sound when they didn't require as well. May visits were made to get them balanced and just couldnt motivate them to sound right. So I chose to experiment with the Oticon Dual W's.

I truly like the sound of the Oticon Dual. I discover they sound great thus far discourse has been straightforward. They appear to function admirably in uproarious conditions however I just got them so haven't had an opportunity to encounter all circumstances yet.

I have the streamer and I adore it. I utilize it basically consistently at work. What I adore about the streamer is that you can at present have the mouthpieces on the portable amplifier on can even now plainly hear your encompassing condition while tuning in to music in the meantime. The music doesn't cut you off from the outside world like earphones do. This is impeccable at my work put since I should have the capacity to hear other individuals talking. It resembles adding a soundtrack to your life while not cutitng off any social collaboration. Discourse is still truly straightforward even while music is playing. Obviously the streamer additionally has the alternative of killing the receivers should you need to confine youself from the outside world. Be that as it may, I once in a while ever kill the mic's.

The Streamer has it's drawbacks however. The sound quality is not that awesome contrasted with genuine earphones. The bass is missing and the sound is additionally mono. Be that as it may, the sound is adequate for easygoing tuning in at the work put. It's not something I would use to tune in to music at home. I'd much rather utilize a couple of genuine earphones for the better stable quality while at home. I discover they work incredible with my Nintendo DS and utilize them all the time with that. I do have the music program and I discover it doesn't make all that a lot of a distinction to the sound quality. Another enormous drawback of the streamer is it's range. You must be wearing it around you neck utilizing the gave string. It's not something you can simply put on the work area and have it stream to your HA's. On the off chance that it's not around your neck it will continually remove in and. I wish they had a further range with the goal that you can simply put the streamer in your pocket or on the work area as it can be a touch of irritating wearing it on your neck throughout the day.

So far I adore these HA's and will probably be keeping this combine. In spite of the fact that the streamer has it's drawbacks it works consummately fine in my workplace and that is all I truly require it for. I can't generally remark on the bluetooth PDA capacity as I haven't generally had an opportunity to utilize it yet. It's not something I think I would truly use as it just looks silly and would lean toward simply talking into the telephone itself.

attempt the TV arrangement...

smok3y I got myself a couple of the Oticon Dual W's the other week alongside the Streamer. So far I've been getting a charge out of them a considerable measure. Preceding getting the Oticon I had trialed a couple of Zon 7's and I absolutly loathed those listening devices. I found that the Zon 7's were making a decent attempt to change sound when they didn't require as well. May visits were made to get them balanced and just couldnt motivate them to sound right. So I chose to experiment with the Oticon Dual W's.

I truly like the sound of the Oticon Dual. I discover they sound great thus far discourse has been straightforward. They appear to function admirably in uproarious conditions yet I just got them so haven't had an opportunity to encounter all circumstances yet.

I have the streamer and I cherish it. I utilize it for all intents and purposes each day at work. What I adore about the streamer is that you can in any case have the mouthpieces on the portable amplifier on can in any case plainly hear your encompassing condition while tuning in to music in the meantime. The music doesn't cut you off from the outside world like earphones do. This is immaculate at my work put since I should have the capacity to hear other individuals talking. It resembles adding a soundtrack to your life while not cutitng off any social connection. Discourse is still truly straightforward even while music is playing. Obviously the streamer additionally has the choice of killing the receivers should you need to confine youself from the outside world. Be that as it may, I infrequently ever kill the mic's.

The Streamer has it's drawbacks however. The sound quality is not that awesome contrasted with genuine earphones. The bass is missing and the sound is additionally mono. Be that as it may, the sound is sufficient for easygoing tuning in at the work put. It's not something I would use to tune in to music at home. I'd much rather utilize a couple of genuine earphones for the better stable quality while at home. I discover they work superb with my Nintendo DS and utilize them all the time with that. I do have the music program and I discover it doesn't make all that quite a bit of a distinction to the sound quality. Another huge drawback of the streamer is it's range. You must be wearing it around you neck utilizing the gave string. It's not something you can simply put on the work area and have it stream to your HA's. In the event that it's not around your neck it will continually remove in and. I wish they had a further range with the goal that you can simply put the streamer in your pocket or on the work area as it can be a touch of irritating wearing it on your neck throughout the day.

So far I adore these HA's and will probably be keeping this match. Despite the fact that the streamer has it's drawbacks it works consummately fine in my workplace and that is all I truly require it for. I can't generally remark on the bluetooth PDA capacity as I haven't generally had an opportunity to utilize it yet. It's not something I think I would truly use as it just looks silly and would incline toward simply talking into the telephone itself.

blackmamba Went to see Terminator Salvation Saturday night and i thought i would try different things with the music program. I discover the music program works taking care of business when the sound stage is set louder. The music program with the volume set to low on the sound framework being utilized is not a decent decision as I would see it . I would rather remain with the Auto/Master program for this .

Clearly Terminator Salvation was bounty noisy with only relentless fight scenes. An aggregate embellishments/sound rush motion picture and nothing more excessively offer. At any rate i exchanged forward and backward on my Hearing Aid Programs (every one of the two) and i delighted in the music program for this motion picture. The sound field in the music program felt extremely Open and i loved the Spacial impact of that program for this motion picture. The adverse is that it is harder to comprehend the individual sitting alongside you .

Not certain on the off chance that you would get a similar satisfaction out of the music program if the motion picture revolved around discussion all the time ? In any case, for a careless activity motion picture like Terminator Salvation that has nothing too say of any esteem it was great.

" I'LL BE Back "

blackmamba I had the music program included today. As of right now i think i am somewhat preferring it. Not by any stretch of the imagination beyond any doubt in the event that i can point to anything specifically since my chance to utilize it has been restricted to my auto and a fairly out of date home framework (not mine ). Early introduction resembles there is some sort of spactial impacts handle going on ?

Anyone out there who has this program ? Do you end up utilizing this program ?

blackmamba One of my greatest meats when it came too chosing the Duals was the fit in my left ear (blue). The RIC never felt secure in my ear . Notwithstanding utilizing the tulip vault (arch in addition to) couldn't right this or the input issues in that ear. Not what i needed from a $6000 match of helps or any combine of helps so far as that is concerned.

Well i just got my new custom form/tip for that ear (blue) from Oticon at obviously an extra cost. What a colossal change in sound, input and feel. They feel exceptionally secure and comfortable in my ear. There is none of that stopped up feel going on either. Input is thin to none at this point. I should of additionally been losing a considerable measure of energy/sound ideal out the ear as opposed to going into the ear.

I am extremely content with the change. To such an extent that i may have the other ear (red) done likewise.

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