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Phonak Target Software... Last try before I give up..

2011-05-18 14:01:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  jellson1998
Hey!

Is there anyplace to get the Target programming? I have attempted downpours, and all that I can consider with no good fortune.. I as of now have an iCube, simply need to make 2 little changes..

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PhilipTS Hello to all,

New form of Phonak Target is out (5.0.0.27661)http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/....0.0.27661.exe

I am perusing/scanning and attempting to choose for my first HA and I am between the Audeo B and the Oticon OPN ... (more towards the OPN in view of what I am perusing).- - Updated -

Hi to all,

New form of Phonak Target is out (5.0.0.27661)

http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/SWUpdates/Target/Phonak%20Target%205.0.0/PhonakTargetCustomer5.0.0.27661.exe

I am perusing/hunting and attempting to choose down my first HA and I am between the Audeo B and the Oticon OPN ... (more towards the OPN in view of what I am perusing).

Ed_C Originally Posted by Andy64

I got notification from Wire Weaver (sorry for my obliviousness about gathering techniques) and the appropriate response is yes, the product will exchange the model, S/N and so forth of the HAs when it associates. Uplifting news!

FYI, when utilizing another or changed session, you have a decision to utilize information from the guides or session. It incorporates "everything" from choices, audiograms, adornments, and so forth. I have inadvertently erased my session in the past and could get it totally once again from the guides.

Andy64 I gotten notification from Wire Weaver (sorry for my numbness about discussion strategies) and the appropriate response is yes, the product will exchange the model, S/N and so on of the HAs when it interfaces. Uplifting news!

Andy64 Wire Weaver,

I have Target Software v 4.3.1.23940 and the Brios aren't recorded in the Hearing Instruments segment. Am I missing something? Or, on the other hand, can the data be exchanged from the HAs? or, on the other hand ....

Much obliged

Gary

TangoRomeo Apparently most recent rendition, last changed 2016-04-07:http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/....3.1.23940.exe

This connection was acquired by going to http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/(get to was not denied). This page has an extensive rundown of connection data which contain the essential data to construct the above connection utilizing the arrangement in the connections beforehand posted by @Enyan. The subsequent connection downloaded effectively.

kirandoll123 Hi you can get the product from india they may help you messenger it , request the most recent refreshed album , their email I'd is farhay2k@yahoo.com

Forrest Bravo Peter - Thanks for the examination and inciting me a touch - forrest/ - m/H2H/

KenP Hi Peter, yes I wasn't right about the Phonak programming. Appears that is the exemption at Costco. I think the others have attempted to separate the model sold. On the off chance that the centers could read Costco helps, they would know with sureness exactly what was incorporated.- - Updated -

Hello there Peter, yes I wasn't right about the Phonak programming. Appears that is the special case at Costco. I think the others have attempted to separate the model sold. In the event that the facilities could read Costco helps, they would know with assurance exactly what was incorporated.

wire_weaver Originally Posted by KenP

Brio modifications must be finished with the product they give to Costco. It isn't gliding around the Net.

Greetings KenP,

Last verification that a Brio HA can to be sure be customized utilizing Phonak's standard Target Software, for this situation v4.2xxx. Three screenshots demonstrate a Brio R-312T connecting.ScreenHunter_48 Dec. 23 14.17.jpgScreenHunter_49 Dec. 23 14.18.jpgScreenHunter_54 Dec. 23 14.22.jpg

I presume Phonak did this to hold some sort of a decent remaining with the authorized hearing proficient group that aren't utilized by Costco. So if a HA client buys their guide at Costco and afterward before long for reasons unknown inclines toward their unique or another audiologist, at that point they are allowed to have their HA balanced by them. Obviously that isn't the standard administration demonstrate, and their favored audiologist would then charge by the hour, yet in any event it gives them that choice.

At long last, if the Costco form of the Target S/W won't program a non-costco Phonak help then it keeps a HA client from leaving their audiologist for a Costco store.

respects

Diminish

38 Special Originally Posted by Enyan

Sorry to learn be more receptive to the conspicuous worries about the legitimacy of the connection I posted before. I thought it would be sufficient that the space was phonak.com, which I myself believe is a more reliable source than phonakindia.in

I will attempt to keep the connections refreshed for new clients in the event that I can, as I expect they will end up plainly invalid with future updates.http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.0.0.6805.exehttp://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.1.0.9913.exe

This worked ideal for me, joined just to express profound gratitude.

wire_weaver Two more autonomous quotes to support me ! This is presently 3 for and 0 against, so I'm exceptionally sure I can do it.

This time one quote is as far as anyone knows from the steeds mouth as it's been said

"per an Advanced Bionics audiologist who confirmed with Phonak: Any audiologist/HIS with Phonak's objective fitting programming can program the Brio."https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/gatherings/.../messages/9270

Third quote

"1. The Brio helps sold at Costco are opened, which means any listening device proficient who has Target 3.3 programming can reinvent the Brio;

2. Costco has an exceptional rendition of Target 3.3 that can just program the Brio, and no other Phonak aids;"http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=119146

wire_weaver Originally Posted by KenP

Brio changes must be finished with the product they give to Costco. It isn't coasting around the Net.

KenP, hopefully you will reference a post where some person was not able program their Brios utilizing standard Phonak Target programming and the cause was recognized to be the absence of Costco particular programming.

Above I have posted a connection where some individual says the correct inverse.

Respects

Dwindle

wire_weaver Originally Posted by rasmus_braun

Did you examine this with your Costco fitter? In the event that you change the settings in your Brio, they will never again coordinate the setup put away in Costco's database. Once your fitter finds this, they may pick not to work with you any more.

I've yet to choose on the off chance that I will look for their favors to DIY program before I do as such. My circumstance is the same to whatever other DIY'er who has their own particular audiologist. I additionally question there is anything in the terms and states of offer clarifying how I relinquish support should I program them myself.

Dwindle.

rasmus_braun Originally Posted by wire_weaver

I've bought some Phonak Brios (Audeo Q90) from Costco and need to tweak the projects myself as I am an Electrical Engineer and Software Programmer with a propensity for fiddling and enhancing things.

Did you talk about this with your Costco fitter? On the off chance that you change the settings in your Brio, they will never again coordinate the design put away in Costco's database. Once your fitter finds this, they may pick not to work with you any more.

wire_weaver Originally Posted by KenP

Brio modifications must be finished with the product they give to Costco. It isn't coasting around the Net.

Much obliged KenP.

I was at first worried that I required the Costco Target programming, in any case it shows up I don't. The issue is by all accounts the other path around in that the Costco programming won't program Phonak helps other than those sold at Costco !

Allude citation from post here:

"Anyway, I have a Hi-Pro USB and the Target 3.3 programming and have been making somewhere in the range of provisional changes in accordance with the Brios. In this way, yes, the Brios are not bolted and can be customized with Target 3.3. I have not attempted Target 4.0 which I likewise have, fundamentally in light of the fact that Costco additionally utilizes Target 3.3 and I need to have the capacity to talk about the program with the Costco fitter. As I comprehend it, the Costco Target programming is injured with the goal that it will just work on Costco provided HAs." (http://www.hearingaidforums.com/show...t-4-0-programming)

Any considerations?

Respects

Dwindle

KenP Brio modifications must be finished with the product they give to Costco. It isn't coasting around the Net.

wire_weaver I've obtained some Phonak Brios (Audeo Q90) from Costco and need to tweak the projects myself as I am an Electrical Engineer and Software Programmer with a propensity for fiddling and upgrading things. I was energized by the thought of DIY. I have downloaded Target 4.1 from above and am going to buy a Hi-Pro software engineer and CS44a an arrangement of links. I simply spent the most recent 30 minutes looking at 80% of Target's elements. It is extremely far reaching and elegantly composed. not too bad up til now.

I have one concern. The permit Agreement Terms of the Target S/W says:"3. Concede of License and Term of License

Phonak stipends to you a restricted non-select permit to utilize the Software, subject to the greater part of the terms and conditions set out in this License Agreement (the “License”).

You may, amid the Term of the License, as characterized underneath:

(an) introduce and utilize the Software on at least one PCs, as per the Documentation, to program, design or generally prepare listening devices obtained solely from Phonak; and

(b) duplicate the Software for go down and recorded purposes, gave that each such duplicate incorporates every restrictive notice included with the first Software and the media containing the first Software.

Subject to the accompanying section, the term of this License will proceed the length of you keep on purchasing listening devices from Phonak that are appropriate for use with the Software. The base term of this License will be one (1) year from the date on which you acknowledge this License Agreement The License will terminate one (1) year after the date you acknowledge this License Agreement if, amid that one (1) year time frame, you have not obtained any portable amplifiers from Phonak reasonable for use with the Software ."

I'm worried about the bit I boldened, in that unless I buy new listening devices every year I am not qualified for utilize this product. Would anybody be able to alleviate my worries ?

respects

Diminish

thphan75 Originally Posted by Enyan

Sorry to learn be more receptive to the conspicuous worries about the legitimacy of the connection I posted before. I thought it would be sufficient that the space was phonak.com, which I myself believe is a more dependable source than phonakindia.in

I will attempt to keep the connections refreshed for new clients on the off chance that I can, as I expect they will wind up noticeably invalid with future updates.http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.0.0.6805.exehttp://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.1.0.9913.exe

Sorry I can't help with equipment or other producers' product, you ought to ask individuals that as of now approach it.

On the off chance that anyone has tips on acquiring a HI-PRO in Europe please share, I think I will go for that first before going on the (quickly superseded) way of iCube's and so forth.

Simply need to express profound gratitude for sharing that connection!

tommy2bits Appreciate the connection in particular

pvc Originally Posted by SteveAUD

FYI....US amplifier producers databases don't speak with their abroad partners. Meaning I can't call Siemens here in NJ and give them the serial number of a guide fit in France anticipating that it should appear in their framework, it doesn't. I needed to give a duplicate of the first buy consent to them when I send the guides in for repair. In the event that you don't give it to them, they won't settle it. On the off chance that you give anything from Ebay, they won't settle it. On the off chance that you give something that looks shotty, they will find the first buyer by means of the serial number connected to a given record and close them down.

Thinking about whether you presented on the wrong string? PPL were talking about where to discover fitting programming.

SteveAUD FYI....US portable amplifier producers databases don't speak with their abroad partners. Meaning I can't call Siemens here in NJ and give them the serial number of a guide fit in France anticipating that it should appear in their framework, it doesn't. I needed to give a duplicate of the first buy consent to them when I send the guides in for repair. On the off chance that you don't give it to them, they won't settle it. In the event that you give anything from Ebay, they won't settle it. On the off chance that you give something that looks shotty, they will find the first buyer by means of the serial number connected to a given record and close them down.

pvc Originally Posted by Enyan

Sorry to learn be more receptive to the conspicuous worries about the legitimacy of the connection I posted before. I thought it would be sufficient that the space was phonak.com, which I myself believe is a more dependable source than phonakindia.in

I will attempt to keep the connections refreshed for new clients in the event that I can, as I expect they will wind up plainly invalid with future updates.

-

Much obliged Enyan. That functioned admirably.

pvc Originally Posted by Enyan

- If anyone has tips on getting a HI-PRO in Europe please share, I think I will go for that first before going on the (quickly superseded) way of iCube's and so forth.

I began another string >> Buying a Hi-Pro in Europe versus USA

pvc Originally Posted by dan84

....... no one?

Look in the DIY discussion.

Enyan Sorry to not be more receptive to the undeniable worries about the legitimacy of the connection I posted before. I thought it would be sufficient that the space was phonak.com, which I myself believe is a more dependable source than phonakindia.in

I will attempt to keep the connections refreshed for new clients in the event that I can, as I expect they will wind up plainly invalid with future updates.http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.0.0.6805.exehttp://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...4.1.0.9913.exe

Sorry I can't help with equipment or other producers' product, you ought to ask individuals that as of now approach it.

In the event that anyone has tips on getting a HI-PRO in Europe please share, I think I will go for that first before going on the (quickly superseded) way of iCube's and so forth.

dan84 ....... no one?

dan84 How are individuals purchasing the bluetooth equipment to attach their amplifiers:

Phonak iCubes, Starkey SurfLinks, ReSound Airlinks.... I thought just an audiologist can get this?

Also, the product...

Who has snares ups here?

pvc Originally Posted by U1065088

Is there any approach to figure out how to program? This merchant said it is hard if your are not prepared.

Audiology Online has free courses on the web. You need to end up noticeably a part to see the courses however it's free unless you wish to get credits for the courses. Looking the catalog of courses By-Company/Phonak. Snap - > HERE

U1065088 Originally Posted by jellson1998

Hello!

Is there anyplace to get the Target programming? I have attempted downpours, and all that I can consider with no luckiness.. I as of now have an iCube, simply need to make 2 little alterations..

I discovered this connection.

I want to purchase most recent phonak hearing ais from India/China.Just sitting tight at a cost.

Meanwhile I ran over this dealer and he appears to be great. I would purchase this however I don't know how to program portable amplifiers. In any case it appears you do. Expectation this helps.http://www.ebay.com.au/usr/fromtheheart6912?rt=nc

His ebay store is fromtheheart6912 and is situated in South Korea.

Kind Regards

Kay

Is there any approach to figure out how to program? This vender said it is hard if your are not prepared.

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Wow PVC. that connection didn't take me a hour to download. It was quick for me. The updates set aside a long opportunity to download. The principal refresh for the product was quick yet the media and sound updates are moderate.

Goodness, my time was only a harsh gauge. I didn't give careful consideration to the time as I was doing different things. It might have been speedier. I was recently attempting to bring up that it's substantially speedier than the long, long download from India.

allowingtoo Wow PVC. that connection didn't take me a hour to download. It was quick for me. The updates set aside a long opportunity to download. The main refresh for the product was quick yet the media and sound updates are moderate.

I utilized Revo uninstaller to expel Deskshareguest.exe

Didn't care for the way it looked on my PC. I get it was only a path for Phonak to "help" me or something. I needed to right tap on the symbol to discover the Properties - target (record) area and duplicate and glue that into Revo to drive uninstall it. Target still runs fine. Work area share visitor just resembled an open entrance or something. It said it required a stick however who knows? It was a PC to PC thing and that was sufficient for me.

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Phonak\DeskShare\DeskShareGuest.exe

pvc The download from India works as well. Despite the fact that it takes a long, long time to download (perhaps twelve hours or somewhere in the vicinity). At that point you need to discover the setup.exe record.

pvc Thanks allowingtoo. That is correct, it works for me as well. The connection downloads another .exe document (takes around a hour or something like that) and that .exe record introduces the product. In the wake of running the product you can utilize the refresh Tab to refresh programming, media, and sounds.

allowingtoo Originally Posted by Enyan

On the off chance that there is any other individual searching for the Phonak Target programming, you ought to have the capacity to get it from this link:http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...3.3.0.3860.exe

Once introduced, you can download the media/sounds/refreshes/and so forth from the updates segment of the product.

Well that worked for me. Much obliged to you. Eset didn't have an issue with it, despite the fact that it was an .exe record. I didn't close my antivirus in spite of the fact that they needed me to for reasons unknown. Refreshed fine.

pvc Maybe I ought to be all the more clear. Clicking an (.exe) connect as recommended by new client Enyan is a decent approach to introduce an infection on your PC. Does anybody know whether that post is an infection or not?

pvc Originally Posted by Enyan

On the off chance that there is any other person searching for the Phonak Target programming, you ought to have the capacity to get it from this connection://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/SWUpdates/Target/Run My Virus Program Please.exe

Once introduced, you can download the media/sounds/refreshes/and so on from the updates area of the product.

I'll purchase that for a dollar! Anybody ever know about this some time recently?

Um bongo Don't have any desire to sound disparaging, yet at a Costco is probably going to be your lone answer. Singular practices will never be permitted to program these guides because of the level of protectionism requested by the shut supply game plans utilized by the huge firms like Costco.- - Updated -

Try not to need to sound belittling, however at a Costco is probably going to be your exclusive answer. Singular practices will never be permitted to program these guides because of the level of protectionism requested by the shut supply courses of action utilized by the huge firms like Costco.

deaz14 would anybody know how to persuade the addon's to have the capacity to program the brio scope of portable amplifiers by any shot - Updated -

would anybody know how to persuade the addon's to have the capacity to program the brio scope of portable amplifiers by any possibility

Surreygirl Well I am hoping to purchase a Phonak listening device. I have had the phonak now obsolute, yet at the same time I thought that it was great, the main thing was that I had continue heading off to the container to get it re-modified and furthermore the sound turned up so I might want to have the capacity to program my own, that would be incredible.

Enyan If there is any other person searching for the Phonak Target programming, you ought to have the capacity to get it from this link:http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/...3.3.0.3860.exe

Once introduced, you can download the media/sounds/refreshes/and so forth from the updates area of the product.

shan It might be less convienient yet it is best to get a greetings genius and links. At that point you have options past phonak later.

Remon Originally Posted by Enyan

Hello, I'm investigating self-programming and thought to first attempt the Target programming for a bit before purchasing an iCube or HI-PRO to get somewhat of an inclination, yet it appears it is practically difficult to get the product. I attempted to get it from the from the phonakindia ftp for a couple of days yet it appears to be extremely occupied. Is there somebody that could get it that could help me with it in some other way? Much appreciated, exceptionally intriguing to peruse these discussions!

Hi Enyan and welcome to the discussions, please check your inbox

Enyan Hi, I'm investigating self-programming and thought to first attempt the Target programming for a bit before purchasing an iCube or HI-PRO to get somewhat of an inclination, however it appears it is practically difficult to get the product. I attempted to get it from the from the phonakindia ftp for a couple of days yet it appears to be extremely occupied. Is there somebody that could get it that could help me with it in some other way? Much obliged, exceptionally intriguing to peruse these gatherings!

kirandoll123 Originally Posted by jellson1998

Hello!

Is there anyplace to get the Target programming? I have attempted deluges, and all that I can consider with no good fortune.. I as of now have an iCube, simply need to make 2 little alterations..

Hey getting programming is simple in india , I know couple of merchants they give it you can mail them ,email to farhay2k@yahoo.com. Request the most recent programming ,unique one.

seanimi Originally Posted by bfrantz

@Remon

Congrats! Glad to know you did it... Yes, target is not by any means enormous, however in the event that you haven't yet introduced it on your PC, you'll require the microsoft .NET structure (free download), which is around 500Mo, I think.

I perused a little the rest, and you'll most likely never require huge piece of it:IPFG is for more established HAD (and is now downloadable from all the Phonak networks). Phonak Target Media contain bunches of sound examples, and furthermore some tutorials,CD program is,you know what? An album program ;- ) and it appears PFG is a kind of patient database.

For the objective establishment: simply answer yes to the defaults and, when it requests an enlistment number, leave what is in the field (I don't know any longer wether it is "phonak" or "target"...)

Here's to you

Frantz

Hello there Frantz,

I'm additionally searching for quite recently the objective programming.

I effectively modified my past phonak audeo yes' on ipfg2 so need to have a run with target and change my new audeo q90s for myself.

I have an Icube.

In the event that there is any approach to get the objective document that would be extraordinary!

Much thanks to you,

Sean

bfrantz Phonak Target on macintosh os:

Has anyone some experience on utilizing focus on a macintosh (in virtualbox or bootcamp)?

Establishment & independent keep running in virtualbox is OK, I think about whether it will have the capacity to speak with the Icube (which I haven't purchased yet)

Frantz

bfrantz @Remon

Congrats! Glad to know you did it... Yes, target is not by any means huge, however in the event that you haven't yet introduced it on your PC, you'll require the microsoft .NET system (free download), which is around 500Mo, I think.

I perused a little the rest, and you'll presumably never require huge piece of it:IPFG is for more established HAD (and is as of now downloadable from all the Phonak networks). Phonak Target Media contain heaps of sound examples, and furthermore some tutorials,CD program is,you know what? A compact disc program ;- ) and it appears PFG is a kind of patient database.

For the objective establishment: simply answer yes to the defaults and, when it requests an enrollment number, leave what is in the field (I don't know any longer wether it is "phonak" or "target"...)

Here's to you

Frantz

Remon Originally Posted by bfrantz

@Remon

Hello! Yes , it was without a doubt inconceivably moderate... I did some jabbing onthe ftp server there, and unquestionably, there is just a single access at any given moment permitted... around the world...

So if your download stops for any reason, and another person is beginning it, you're e in a tough situation. A detail may help: even in India, individuals don't deal with sundays, and my fruitful download occurred between saturday evening-sunday morning (Bombay time).

Good fortunes!

Frantz

PS I likewise don't get notice, despite the fact that they are checked, must be some inconvenience on the board's smtp server

I don't know why it was diverse for me, I could continue the past download effectively which was at 40%, I am utilizing FDM (Free Download Manager) which typically tries 10 synchronous associations anyway, it appears to be just 5 associations were fruitful as the bars in the picture beneath shows. Speed was still moderate however which affirms server restrict, I had a normal of 70 to 75k, max I saw was 92k/sec Target-Download.jpg

As you have specified, the document contains the accompanying envelopes:

CDBrowser

iPFG

PFG

Phonak Target

Phonak Target Media I haven't introduced it yet however I am accepting the most vital would be Phonak Target, which is around 400MB as it were!

bfrantz @Remon

Hello there! Yes , it was for sure unimaginably moderate... I did some jabbing onthe ftp server there, and unquestionably, there is just a single access at any given moment permitted... around the world...

So if your download stops for any reason, and another person is beginning it, you're e stuck between a rock and a hard place. A detail may help: even in India, individuals don't take a shot at sundays, and my fruitful download occurred between saturday evening-sunday morning (Bombay time).

Good fortunes!

Frantz

PS I likewise don't get notice, despite the fact that they are checked, must be some inconvenience on the board's smtp server

Remon Sorry for the late answer, I wasn't getting told for the string!

Frantz: I figured out how to download over 70% utilizing FDM (File Download Manager) however it was all the while going so moderate, didn't attempt to continue yet, I'm not inspired with the server!, wouldn't be shocked if the connection is expelled soon! in any case, I'm happy you at long last made it!

I chose to hold up as my Audi educated me that Target programming ought to be furnished for nothing with my iCube buy! not exactly beyond any doubt about this yet, I ought to have it at some point one week from now!

ICaptionTV @bfrantz

A debt of gratitude is in order for the refresh. Subsequent to downloading half of it, it planned out. Endeavors to continue with my ftp programming fizzled. I surrendered and obtained the product on eBay. Simply saw your area. I had the benefit of going to. What an excellent place.!

bfrantz @ICaptionTV

There are loads of documents in the .zip; The subsequent organizer is named "Target 3.0", yet once introduced, it' 3.1... What's more, as carnutfl composes, the refresh catch is working & some minuts later, you'll have target 3.2, et voilà! BTW, iPFG is likewise included and something many refer to as PFG (on the off chance that somebody realizes what it is?).

For the occasion, I've introduced Target on a virtualbox PC running windows XP on my MacBook. It's running easily , yet as I haven't yet an Icube, I couldn't test the association with the HA on that specific stage. Has anyone done it?

Mabe I'll convey my macintosh to my sound and attempt there...

Respects

Frantz

carnutfl Target 3.1 or 3.2 doesn't make a difference. At the base of the main screen in Target is a refresh catch that will enable refreshing the program to the most recent discharge.

ICaptionTV Just inquisitive if what you saw was Target 3.1 rather than 3.2 when you experienced ftp. I'm in the process now.

bfrantz Hi everyone!

some news: it worked! took a considerable measure of time (approximately 25h...) however I got the total document utilizing fireftp. I made a few tests and it creates the impression that:

- data transfer capacity is 50kb/s max

- just a single download at once is approved, so just a single download at regular intervals, that is it ;- )

Because of remon for the connection!

Frantz

bfrantz Tried again at the beginning of today: association was set up and download began once more, yet soooo moderate: 50kb/s max, so it's a 25h business, and I think about whether there is no limitation wich stops the procedure when a predefined measure of information is come to, or association time...

It appears that the best way to get the document is utilizing a ftp customer which permits incomplete downloads with restarts, and bunches of persistence!

bfrantz I'll do it again tomorow, utilizing fireftp for firefox, so I can see where it hangs.

Presently, it's 8:20 PM in Mumbai, so if the server is down, I assume nothing will occur in the following 12h...- - Updated -

@remon: BTW did you figure out how to get the document?

ICaptionTV I attempted too. It began, at that point went no place, so I surrendered.

bfrantz Yet incomplete story!

I effectively began a dowload at the beginning of today, which run gradually however easily until the point when I had one fourth of the record, and afterward it hang...

And all ensuing retries were bound

I trust it's only a server breakdown and I'll retry tomorrow.

Think about whether some other phonak backup has the download...

bye

Frantz

bfrantz Originally Posted by Remon

My Audi had already given me an iCube for few days to play with, I am going to get one and after some burrowing I could discover connections to Target 3.1 at Phonak India.http://www.phonakindia.in/library1.aspx

There is a direct download interface for Target 3.1, the record is tremendous (4GB)

Alsohttp://www.phonakpro.com/com/b2b/en/...downloads.html

Has joins for iPFG 2.6c & PFG 8.6c

Expectation this makes a difference

@Remon

Gracious, Many,Many thanks !!!

I attempt it immediatly...

Remon My Audi had already given me an iCube for few days to play with, I am going to get one and after some burrowing I could discover connections to Target 3.1 at Phonak India.http://www.phonakindia.in/library1.aspx

There is a direct download interface for Target 3.1, the record is colossal (4GB)

Alsohttp://www.phonakpro.com/com/b2b/en/...downloads.html

Has joins for iPFG 2.6c & PFG 8.6c

Expectation this makes a difference

bfrantz Originally Posted by Zebras

I've recently seen that you are not in the US, that may be the issue. On eBay, select "around the world" and you'll see what is accessible overall including the US and after that perhaps contact the dealer and inquire as to whether they would send to you in France?

Much obliged Zebra, that did the trap... I discovered some person pitching Icube and sending to France,thanks. I'll get some information about target programming.

Zebras Originally Posted by bfrantz

Greetings Zebra

Nope, I don't t get anything valuable... just some business destinations offering HA from various brands.

Be that as it may, I discovered help elsewere, from the folks at help2hear.org, so it ought to be alright at this point.

Much appreciated at any rate

Frantz

I've recently seen that you are not in the US, that may be the issue. On eBay, select "around the world" and you'll see what is accessible overall including the US and after that possibly contact the merchant and inquire as to whether they would send to you in France?

bfrantz Originally Posted by Zebras

This is on account of it's been sold. Sort Phonak Target into eBay and I'm certain you'll discover a few! Do you not approach the eBay look bar, is that why you are trapped?

Hello there Zebra

Nope, I don't t get anything helpful... just some business destinations offering HA from various brands.

Be that as it may, I discovered help elsewere, from the folks at help2hear.org, so it ought to be alright at this point.

Much appreciated at any rate

Frantz

Zebras Originally Posted by bfrantz

@carnutfl

Sorry you think my demand is a trick, yet I can't get to the ebay posting: here is the thing that I get when I tap on the connection given by Zebras , I am diverted here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Error?errid=...m=261361707875 , which fundamentally says this (and it is truly frustrating,believe me!):

"Sadly, access to this specific thing has been obstructed because of legitimate confinements in a few nations. We are hindering your review with an end goal to keep confined things from being shown. Unfortunately, now and again, we may keep clients from getting to things that are not inside the extent of said confinements on account of constraints of existing innovation. If you don't mind acknowledge our statements of regret for any bother this may cause, and we trust you may discover different things of enthusiasm on eBay."

I'm cheerful to discover that there is a DVD on that declare! Might you be able to please reveal to me some different points of interest? (I've sent the connection to my sister, however she didn't answer yet, it appears you are snappier)!

Anyway, I truly would value some assistance from anyone,thanks...

This is on account of it's been sold. Sort Phonak Target into eBay and I'm certain you'll discover a few! Do you not approach the eBay look bar, is that why you are trapped?

bfrantz Hi once more!

just found my sister's solution: she gets a similar mistake page, appears the connection is dead or ther's something I don't comprehend ... so I'm trapped...

bfrantz @carnutfl

Sorry you think my demand is a trick, yet I can't get to the ebay posting: here is the thing that I get when I tap on the connection given by Zebras , I am diverted here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Error?errid=...m=261361707875 , which essentially says this (and it is truly frustrating,believe me!):

"Shockingly, access to this specific thing has been obstructed because of legitimate confinements in a few nations. We are obstructing your survey with an end goal to keep confined things from being shown. Unfortunately, now and again, we may keep clients from getting to things that are not inside the extent of said confinements in light of restrictions of existing innovation. If it's not too much trouble acknowledge our conciliatory sentiments for any burden this may cause, and we trust you may discover different things of enthusiasm on eBay."

I'm upbeat to discover that there is a DVD on that declare! Might you be able to please reveal to me some different points of interest? (I've sent the connection to my sister, yet she didn't answer yet, it appears you are faster)!

Anyway, I truly would welcome some assistance from anyone,thanks...

carnutfl I'm beyond any doubt on the off chance that you read the ebay posting you saw they were offering a dvd duplicate. Sounds like this demand is a scam..........

bfrantz @carnutfl

didn't consider it... must state that my dear sister is truly PC disagreeable, so she won't have the capacity to download a product and resend it to me, yet in the event that she can purchase a decent old CD, place it in a package and send it, it should be possible, much obliged for recommending, I'll ask her

carnutfl If your sister can get you an ICUBE, she could likewise get you the product off EBAY......

bfrantz @Kevels55 (and whatever other who could offer assistance)

My name is Frantz, I'm french, and I got a viral disease a couple of month back which took a large portion of my hearing,especially on the left side... So I'm currently wearing Phonak's Audeo-Q90 312T HA, and life is back once more... very...

I've done a great deal of perusing on the forum,learned loads of things (thanks everyone) and discovered that I'm very cheerful having a decent audiologist, who required just two or three weeks to tailor them to me, however similar to a microelectronics engineer,have been working a couple of year as sound architect in a neighborhood FM radio and furthermore have an ace degree in formative psychology,including some unique courses on deafness, I think I could ace some tweaking myself and extra a considerable measure of time, on the grounds that my sound is reserved off for quite a long time...

Be that as it may, no real way to get the objective programming in France yet; I think I may at last persuade my sound to give me a duplicate, yet it will take quite a while thus , as you composed different people groups to do it, here I am!

Do despite everything you have a few hints at getting the Phonak Target programming? (the ebay connect is secured France)

Concerning the Icube, my sister and brother by marriage are living in Burlington and I think they couls buy one for me.

Anyway, best respects, and a debt of gratitude is in order for making a difference!

Frantz

PS PM is turned of under 15 posts...

Zebras Originally Posted by hitmusic100

Hello there all - I am a newcomer to this gathering & am attempting to get the Phonak Target programming to program my Q arrangement listening device - trust that possibly you can propose how

with true thanks

Basic eBay seek thinks of this... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phonak-Targe...item3cda5f2b63

hitmusic100 Hi all - I am a newcomer to this discussion & am attempting to get the Phonak Target programming to program my Q arrangement amplifier - trust that possibly you can propose how

with true thanks

pbs Thanks Doc, you are a mine of data!!

DocAudio Originally Posted by pbs

Hello there Doc,

At this moment I am running with 312 batteries BUT the Widex site, when you burrow down and discover the documentation for the HA, says battery sort 13.That is the reason I am posing the inquiry.

Respects,

In case you're wearing a combination RIC it just uses a 312. A 13 battery won't fit. It's conceivable/likely that you are taking a gander at one of the standard BTE's which can utilize a 13.

Listening devices will just work with one size battery. They are not tradable. ever.

pbs Originally Posted by DocAudio

It's unrealistic for both a 13 and a 312 to work in a portable amplifier. Portable amplifiers take one size battery as it were. They both may FIT, yet just a single self control the gadget. In the event that the 13 fits, at that point that is the correct battery.

Hello there Doc,

At this moment I am running with 312 batteries BUT the Widex site, when you burrow down and discover the documentation for the HA, says battery sort 13.That is the reason I am posing the inquiry.

Respects,

IMBack Originally Posted by pbs

I appear to have confounded as to which battery is the correct one for the above guide. To exacerbate the situation I have lost the client manual!!

Both the 312 (dark colored) batteries and the 13 (orange) appear to work OK.

Would anyone be able to put me appropriate on this?

Much obliged,

is it April first?

DocAudio It's impractical for both a 13 and a 312 to work in an amplifier. Amplifiers take one size battery as it were. They both may FIT, however just a single self discipline the gadget. In the event that the 13 fits, at that point that is the correct battery.

pbs I appear to have confounded as to which battery is the correct one for the above guide. To exacerbate the situation I have lost the client manual!!

Both the 312 (dark colored) batteries and the 13 (orange) appear to work OK.

Would anyone be able to put me ideal on this?

Much obliged,

pbs I appear to have confounded as to which battery is the correct one for the above guide. To exacerbate the situation I have lost the client manual!!

Both the 312 (dark colored) batteries and the 13 (orange) appear to work OK.

Would anyone be able to put me ideal on this?

Much obliged,

stream2525 Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I'm happy this is not a shooting forum.OK, I have gotten one of those cool pump activity shotgun things like they have in the motion pictures and I have driven some of those bullety things into it.What next?

I downloaded the product and began selfprogramming. Not that terrible. I figure the issue is with my listening ability. I got drop in hearing so I require an effective guide. The principle issue now is twisting.

EnglishDispenser I have the Icube now. What's next?

I'm happy this is not a shooting forum.OK, I have gotten one of those cool pump activity shotgun things like they have in the films and I have driven some of those bullety things into it.What next?

kevels55 Originally Posted by stream2525

I have the Icube now. What's next?

You will require iPFG 2.6b connect to download underneath I would likewise do some intense perusing up on this product and you're portable amplifiers, there are numerous instructional exercises out there on the web!

Good fortunes, cheers kev http://www.phonakpro.com/com/b2b/en/...downloads.html

stream2525 I have the Icube now. What's next?

thanks2 NayTatas:

Shop around.

Your audiologist is by all accounts both unknowledgeable about you HA's product, but on the other hand is arragant and shut disapproved.

You have to flame the audiologist who is not helping you and contract another one that is competent and willing to help you. In many urban communities there are several audiologists.

We as a whole appear to get so connected to "our" audiologists ???

They should be touchy mechanics for the gadget we put in our ear to enable us to listen. In the place that is known for the free and the home of the overcome, you have to exersize your entitlement to Democracy and shop around.

Expectation this makes a difference.

Initially Posted by NayTatas

Haven't seen anything yet. My Audi, while a pleasant individual, is unpleasant when it coems to knowing the Target programming. I stay there and disclose to her what to tap on and what to change. She gets irritated at me detecting her own numbness.

In actuality, in the event that I had the product and the iCube, I can really amplify these Phonak Aids. At the present time, I feel I'm just getting 70% of their actual potential.

For the time being, I'm turning to making arrangements at the audi when the Phonak rep is there.

stream2525 Originally Posted by kevels55

LOTS............. In the event that you are doing it right?

Cheers Kev

I purchased an Icube and ought to touch base in a couple of days. Gives see what I a chance to can ruin a greater amount of this hearing . Will require you guidance without a doubt.

hcb I have the full arrangement of dvd's and cd's of prior variant 1.xx then dit a move up to adaptation 2 yet caught the download. so I have the full form target 2.0 for you.

kevels55 Originally Posted by stream2525

What amount of improvment can somene anticipate from self-programming?

LOTS............. On the off chance that you are doing it right?

Cheers Kev

stream2525 How much improvment can somene anticipate from self-programming?

rdmallory I am a PC Geek!

I program my auto.

I program my Satellite Dish.

I program my alert framework.

Presently I program my ears!

On the off chance that you have your solution and some time it is not hard. You should be PC educated and not hesitant to explore a bit. Attempt a setting and you don't care for it go down and begin once again. Not at all like pulling a tooth or surgery you have a back catch

Doug

stream2525 Originally Posted by kevels55

Hello there ckm,

In the event that your Phonak Naida V UP's are from the "Center" stage rather than the "Zest" stage then you don't require Target 2.0, on the off chance that you got them from the NHS or got them over a year prior, at that point they are most defo "Center"! They will be unmistakably stamped " Phonak Naida V UP S" in the event that they are Spice! You can't utilize Target with "Center" guides as it doesn't work with these, for this you require "iPFG 2.6b" which is accessible for download If they are "Zest", PM me!

I trust this helps, Cheers Kev

Shouldn't something be said about Phonak Audeo Smart , NOT S. Which programming ?

pbs Originally Posted by Travelin Man

How on the planet would you be able to contrast lobotomies and heart transplants with tweaking a HA?

You said "however regardless I would not have any desire to mess about with my portable amplifiers."

I can surely value that, yet would you be able to acknowledge sami and numerous others incorporating myself being keen on tweaking our own particular HA's.

Would you be able to call attention to any life threating disavantages of self programming? I neglect to perceive any.

I'm certain there is a long way to go about any fitting programming and not every person is open to tweaking their own guides, but rather that does not make the one's that are happy with tweaking their guides, silly!

Proceed! in the event that somebody needs to play with their HAs that is fine however for me I would rather have somebody who thinks about hearing doing mine.

It is dicey that anything you tinker with would be life undermining, however I know when I had a mine balanced by an audi who was not exceptionally skilled, I found the unevenness made me feel extremely entertaining particularly when I was driving. The issue wasn't evident in her office yet it beyond any doubt showed up when I began moving around.

You could contend that in the event that I had the hardware and know how i could have revised it myself however for this situation I could have effectively had a mischance before I returned home!

Travelin Man Originally Posted by pbs

Extraordinary thought!!

What next? DIY lobotomies? Show yourself heart transplants?

I have had what's coming to me of inept audis yet despite everything I would not have any desire to mess about with my listening devices.

How on the planet would you be able to contrast lobotomies and heart transplants with tweaking a HA?

You said "yet regardless I would not have any desire to mess about with my amplifiers."

I can unquestionably value that, however would you be able to acknowledge sami and numerous others incorporating myself being keen on tweaking our own HA's.

Would you be able to bring up any life threating disavantages of self programming? I neglect to perceive any.

I'm certain there is a long way to go about any fitting programming and not every person is open to tweaking their own guides, but rather that does not make the one's that are happy with tweaking their guides, stupid!

pbs Originally Posted by sami

I thought it was barbarous to state that somebody is silly to want to figure out how to program their own listening devices. Would you call a man absurd in the event that he spared cash by settling his own auto? Would it be a good idea for me to get a servant to clean my home? Whenever one can be free it encourages sentiments of certainty and achievement. One may need to invest a considerable measure of energy to figure out how to do it, yet the outcomes would spare cash over the long haul, and one would be more happy with the final product. Anything you need to do a change you could do it without anyone's help without making an arrangement and sticking around and additionally paying for that administration. I have seen the product on ebay in the uk from (following the connection here), so I accept one can get the product on ebay in the event that one sets up an alarm for the product. I utilize spared looks regularly on ebay. One could purchase the icube. I expect one would likewise require a macintosh and not a pc. In the event that you hung out with PC nerds as I do you, you will see the incentive in getting things done for yourself as opposed to sitting tight for huge enterprises to make everything you could ever hope for work out.

Awesome thought!!

What next? DIY lobotomies? Show yourself heart transplants?

I have had what's coming to me of bumbling audis yet regardless I would not have any desire to mess about with my portable amplifiers.

sami I thought it was savage to state that somebody is stupid for needing to figure out how to program their own particular portable amplifiers. Would you call a man silly on the off chance that he spared cash by settling his own particular auto? Would it be a good idea for me to get a servant to clean my home? Whenever one can be free it encourages sentiments of certainty and achievement. One may need to invest a great deal of energy to figure out how to do it, yet the outcomes would spare cash over the long haul, and one would be more happy with the final product. Anything you need to do a change you could do it without anyone else's help without making an arrangement and sticking around as well as paying for that administration. I have seen the product on ebay in the uk from (following the connection here), so I accept one can get the product on ebay in the event that one sets up a caution for the product. I utilize spared looks frequently on ebay. One could purchase the icube. I accept one would likewise require a macintosh and not a pc. In the event that you hung out with PC nerds as I do you, you will see the incentive in getting things done for yourself as opposed to sitting tight for enormous organizations to make everything you could ever hope for work out as expected.

kevels55 Originally Posted by ckm

Hello there am new there,

I've an i-3D shape yet dont have the product to download, would any of you can disclose to me where to get it from. My HA's are Phonak Nadias V UP. Need to tweet it as I've move to Australia from UK. It is difficult to locate a decent Audiologist in Oz to assist. Would like to hear once again from you. here's to you

Hello ckm,

In the event that your Phonak Naida V UP's are from the "Center" stage instead of the "Flavor" stage then you don't require Target 2.0, on the off chance that you got them from the NHS or got them over a year back, at that point they are most defo "Center"! They will be obviously checked " Phonak Naida V UP S" on the off chance that they are Spice! You can't utilize Target with "Center" guides as it doesn't work with these, for this you require "iPFG 2.6b" which is accessible for download If they are "Zest", PM me!

I trust this helps, Cheers Kev

ckm Hi am new there,

I've an i-3D shape however dont have the product to download, would any of you can reveal to me where to get it from. My HA's are Phonak Nadias V UP. Need to tweet it as I've move to Australia from UK. It is difficult to locate a decent Audiologist in Oz to assist. Would like to hear once more from you. salud

pbs Originally Posted by wmgeorge

That is the thing that I fear in purchasing portable amplifiers. How would you know whether the Audiologist is qualified? I have been playing with PCs since 1979 as an interest and manufactured a couple. I have programed mechanical machine and building robotization hardware controls. You intend to reveal to me I can't do likewise with some amplifiers? Be that as it may, I'm not saying everybody could do this, but rather why value the equipment and programming so d**m high?

When you are charging $3,000 for an item and can't make it work and after that charge for doing as such?? Appears as though the HA business needs a noteworthy redesign. I truly wouldn't fret paying for qualified individuals offering a better than average item, however it appears when the nation of beginning on the vast majority of these expensive items is not USA but rather China or different abroad minimal effort makers then somebody is making parcels and bunches of cash.

I question whether anybody is 'profiting'. The assembling organizations appear to put a ton into R&D - though including complexities that are pointed more at beating the opposition instead of profiting the client - and given entirely expansive rebates to the merchants, the audis. When you take a gander at the time the audis by and large spend getting the HAs fitted to the individual profiles of the client, at that point they most likely acquire their keep.

The issue is that in the race to contend, the makers are expanding the unpredictability of the item with no idea towards ensuring that ALL of their dispersion arrange has the specialized capacity to keep up. An a valid example is Phonak. They discharged the Spice chip with a tremendous ballyhoo and after a year gotr around to overhauling the fitting programming so that the audis could really get the thing to work legitimately - simply investigate this gathering.

In this way, it is not abundance benefit that is the issue rather an instance of a tremendous measure of waste.A exercise in futility by the audis attempting to get to holds with the new innovation and an exercise in futility by the end clients as they need to backpedal to the audis for unlimited fittings. Obviously, the substantial rebates given to the audis cover their time yet nobody remunerates the end client for his time.

In the event that the framework worked appropriately then the audis may have more "benefit" to take into consideration more noteworthy end client rebates and end client costs would fall. Squanders benefits nobody!!

wmgeorge Originally Posted by cjw

I got tired of my Audiologist not by any means knowing how the Phonak programming functioned. He didn't think about the sound specimens, and the intuitive changes that you can make utilizing those.

I purchased an iCube on eBay - potentially a Chinese knock off, however it looks exceptionally genuine and unquestionably works OK.

I would now be able to change my listening ability and promptly observe whether the modification has had any kind of effect. Subsequently my listening ability is tremendously better.

The audiologists on here are maybe right that sure of the setup requires their master information, and I am exceptionally cautious not to go close to any of the bits that I don't get it. I can't help suspecting that a chopped down rendition of the iPFG programming, and iCube capacity incorporated with the iCom would be an enormous resource for Phonak.

That is the thing that I fear in purchasing portable hearing assistants. How would you know whether the Audiologist is qualified? I have been playing with PCs since 1979 as a leisure activity and fabricated a couple. I have programed modern machine and building mechanization gear controls. You intend to disclose to me I can't do likewise with some listening devices? Be that as it may, I'm not saying everybody could do this, but rather why value the equipment and programming so d**m high?

When you are charging $3,000 for an item and can't make it work and after that charge for doing as such?? Appears as though the HA business needs a noteworthy upgrade. I truly wouldn't fret paying for qualified individuals offering a respectable item, however it appears when the nation of root on the vast majority of these extravagant items is not USA but rather China or different abroad ease producers then somebody is making parts and loads of cash.

cnicklo Hi all,

I'm fortunate in that I really think my audiologist is extraordinary. He considers his preparation important, tunes in to his customers and gains from their contribution to enhance his insight and execution.

I'm certainly happy that to have worked with him on the underlying set up of my portable amplifiers, and I need to keep working with him later on.

All things considered, I additionally like the choice of self-programming to change and alter my guides to make them tantamount to conceivable. With my audi, I'm constrained to the time I have with him and need to be aware of both his time and experience by not pushing for each little change or test alteration.

On my time, it's totally unique. I like that I can attempt things with the portable hearing assistants themselves as well as with the embellishments (for my situation fundamentally the iCom which I observe to be particularly finicky).

I'll certainly be acquiring an iCube and attempting to get my hands on the Target programming to have the capacity to make these costly instruments as firmly coordinated to my necessities as I can.

Chris

EnglishDispenser I know you like managing costly Lawyers

That is correct. A few wins, one draw and one lost up until this point.

An excessive number of individuals enable themselves to be tormented by organizations or people ... in any case, I battle back!

EnglishDispenser I couldn't remark about a specific organization yet I have heard that comparable organizations can act naturally guaranteed i.e. they approach a major pot of cash in case of issues.

Um bongo Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I acquired extraordinary - and rather costly - protection to cover my mail arrange deals.

Being a Registered Hearing Aid Dispenser did NOT allow me to get that protection ... In any case, ... being a Chartered Engineer did.So I presume that you & I are about the main distributors in the UK who could acquire that protection!

Possibly you should take a stab at setting up a mail arrange operation? You may have preferred accomplishment over I did!

Shouldn't something be said about these individuals at that point?

pbs Originally Posted by Um bongo

Imagine a scenario in which you're encouraging the portable amplifier buy enables them to veil their condition for longer than they would some way or another be capable. Thinking in the light of the Michael Jackson case and therapeutic ethics....

Separation offering of human services items and administrations is a tremendous minefield that I'm almost certain my training protection does not cover. What if Mr. Jones de-tunes the low-frequencies of a guide he purchases from your on-line business since he "loves" the sound and afterward ventures out before a transport. In the event that you turned the guides down face to face: it's possibly your blame, on the off chance that he turns them down with the apparatuses you gave, however didn't satisfactorily school him in the dangers, is it essentially misfortune?

USA Ladders cost more than twofold what they do here, essentially in view of the level of obligation cover required.

I know you like managing costly Lawyers

Hurray! An "Impossible to win - no expense" bonanza!!!

'My customer was wearing listening devices M'Lud'

EnglishDispenser Distance offering of human services items and administrations is a tremendous minefield that I'm almost certain my training protection does not cover.

I acquired extraordinary - and rather costly - protection to cover my mail arrange deals.

Being a Registered Hearing Aid Dispenser did NOT allow me to acquire that protection ... Be that as it may, ... being a Chartered Engineer did.

So I speculate that you & I are about the main allocators in the UK who could acquire that protection!

Possibly you should take a stab at setting up a mail arrange operation? You may have preferable accomplishment over I did!

Um bongo Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

Huh?

Intriguing point. I pondered this a lot when I began my online portable hearing assistant deals destinations.

I arrived at the conclusion that the customers would be individuals who have no aim of going to a specialist or audiologist. My customers would NOT be from my or your standard practice client stream. So in certainty my wellbeing survey on the mail arrange site would help INCREASE the odds of those with restorative issues going by their GP.

Likewise, I feel that in the event that somebody enhances their listening ability through a mail arrange buy at that point that is one more individual with an enhanced way of life. On the off chance that that individual has no aim of seeing an audi or specialist whether they purchase a mail arrange item or not, at that point a portable amplifier deal is as yet a "win" general EVEN if the customer needs medicinal help.A nearly deaf specialist opposed customer with a medical problem is in a bad position.

A nearly deaf specialist opposed customer with a medical problem who is prodded into looking for therapeutic guidance by the mail arrange buy prepare is a noteworthy win.

An almost deaf specialist disinclined customer with a medical problem who is NOT impelled into looking for restorative exhortation by the mail arrange buy prepare however who at that point enhances their listening ability is a minor win.

Non of the above is instinctively self-evident - yet I feel that it is right.

Imagine a scenario where you're encouraging the portable amplifier buy enables them to cover their condition for longer than they would somehow or another be capable. Thinking in the light of the Michael Jackson case and therapeutic ethics....

Separation offering of human services items and administrations is an immense minefield that I'm almost certain my training protection does not cover. What if Mr. Jones de-tunes the low-frequencies of a guide he purchases from your on-line business since he "loves" the sound and afterward ventures out before a transport. On the off chance that you turned the guides down face to face: it's conceivably your blame, on the off chance that he turns them down with the instruments you gave, however didn't enough school him in the dangers, is it essentially misfortune?

USA Ladders cost more than twofold what they do here, just in light of the level of obligation cover required.

I know you like managing costly Lawyers

EnglishDispenser How much does an arrangement of stepping stools taken a toll in the US?

Huh?

Obligation of care? Acoustic neuroma?

Intriguing point. I contemplated this a considerable amount when I began my electronic portable hearing assistant deals locales.

I arrived at the conclusion that the customers would be individuals who have no expectation of going by a specialist or audiologist. My customers would NOT be from my or your standard practice client stream. So in reality my wellbeing survey on the mail arrange site would help INCREASE the odds of those with therapeutic issues going by their GP.

Additionally, I feel that on the off chance that somebody enhances their listening ability through a mail arrange buy at that point that is one more individual with an enhanced way of life. In the event that that individual has no goal of seeing an audi or specialist whether they purchase a mail arrange item or not, at that point a portable amplifier deal is as yet a "win" general EVEN if the customer needs medicinal offer assistance.

An in need of a hearing aide specialist opposed customer with a medical problem is stuck in an unfortunate situation.

An in need of a hearing aide specialist opposed customer with a medical problem who is prodded into looking for medicinal counsel by the mail arrange buy prepare is a noteworthy win.

An almost deaf specialist unwilling customer with a medical problem who is NOT impelled into looking for therapeutic exhortation by the mail arrange buy prepare yet who at that point enhances their listening ability is a minor win.

Non of the above is instinctively self-evident - however I feel that it is right.

Guest Originally Posted by pbs

Promote on the purpose of DIY programming, I ponder what happens to the guarantee when the end client begins fiddling with the gadget?? Worth contemplating!!!

Well you simply obtained the Clear 440, why not take a gander at your guarantee and post back the solution to your own particular inquiry. It's not quite recently scholarly to me, since I'm genuinely considering a similar model. (First time purchaser, who might acknowledge diy ability on the off chance that leftover issues survive the full change time frame with the audi.)

- Ron

Um bongo Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

When in doubt I presume that you are correct.

You have a couple of conceivable outcomes here:

A: Start a crusade to get the circumstance changed

B: Take the dark market course

C: Work with your producer on an irregular premise to get the product for a 'unique venture' or something.

I question that a maker will ever discharge a full programming framework to end clients ... in any case, maybe a lessened usefulness form may seem one day, particularly for the lower power and in this manner "more secure" models.

Such an approach should keep nearly everybody glad ... particularly if super nerds were allowed to have the full form subject to some kind of disclaimer.

It doesn't should be a high contrast religious issue ... there can be a center way.

The main issue is how might you induce the makers to open themselves to this additional work and additional obligation for what will be not very many additional deals.

What amount does an arrangement of steps taken a toll in the US?

Obligation of care? Acoustic neuroma?

EnglishDispenser that choice does not exist.

When in doubt I speculate that you are correct.

You have a couple of potential outcomes here:

A: Start a crusade to get the circumstance changed

B: Take the dark market course

C: Work with your producer on a coincidental premise to acquire the product for an 'exceptional venture' or something.

I question that a producer will ever discharge a full programming framework to end clients ... be that as it may, maybe a diminished usefulness rendition may seem one day, particularly for the lower power and consequently "more secure" models.

Such an approach should keep nearly everybody cheerful ... particularly if super nerds were allowed to have the full form subject to some kind of disclaimer.

It doesn't should be a highly contrasting religious issue ... there can be a center way.

The main issue is how might you influence the makers to open themselves to this additional work and additional risk for what will be not very many additional deals.

Um bongo Originally Posted by portausb

4:HA manfacturers make immense benefits, the cost of the hardware in a HA is litrally pennies.

5: Audiologists make substantial benefits as well, their increase is 300-400%. I didn't make this up my source is one container, who said on his site that he offers HA that others offer at

EnglishDispenser Some individuals on this discussion have unlawfully acquired the things required, however that does not change the issue here.

FYI I have addressed all the key makers requesting consent to dispatch the fitting programming to those of my customers who request it and who appear to have what it takes to utilize it e.g. electronic architects, acoustic experts, programming individuals et cetera.

In all cases the appropriate response has been NO ... basically because of the obligation and protection issues.

I do accept however that some profoundly qualified electronic architects (not in the UK) have moved toward the producer of their guides specifically and have figured out how to acquire legitimate licenses for the proper fitting programming on an 'exceptional case' premise. I expect that they are accepted adequately gifted in fact to abstain from negating the producer's protection.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

Huh? This has all of a sudden got somewhat individual.

I am NOT eagerly against self programming, else I wouldn't have attempted to offer such arrangements in the UK ... however, I don't trust that it is the most imperative theme I have ever experienced.

I surely question that it's the key answer for the world's in need of a hearing aide.

Self programming, OTC deals and so forth all have a place in the market ... Be that as it may, ... just as a specialty.

My complaint to huge numbers of the different posts here is that DIY and OTC arrangements are NOT going to be useful to 95%+ of HOH who are looking for portable amplifier arrangements, so it's not by any stretch of the imagination reasonable for "push" the DIY & OTC choices so unequivocally.

Concerning costs, I don't know why I'm being assaulted at having costs somewhere in the range of 25% of what a few containers in the UK can charge.

(To be reasonable for some of my more costly associates, they may have substantially higher overheads and so forth than my training)

Incidentally, while we are in the state of mind for specifying weblinks investigate www.fairhearing.net ... that is me as well.

I would concur *if* such choices really existed.

Shy of planning my own guides & programming, that alternative does not exist.

I attempted some lower end DIY helps, and they were not an incredible help for me. I paid their arrival expenses to improve.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

A couple of focuses:

* DIY programming of listening devices is not a religion, clique or political development. It's not in any case unthinkable ... you would already be able to purchase helps finish with fitting programming and links.

* Most portable amplifier clients won't need DIY answers for their listening ability misfortune.

* The standard producers have no money related motivation to immensely build their expenses keeping in mind the end goal to help a modest bunch of DIY customers. Specialty producers however can bolster DIY clients.

* As in all businesses, a couple of audis are not precisely culminate - but rather most are sufficient, and some are even calm competent.

* There is no super trick amongst audis and producers to keep costs high and so forth. The portable amplifier advertise resembles some other : subject to showcase powers. You can get costly providers, markdown providers ... indeed, even perhaps unlawful dim market remote providers.

In the event that you need a DIY self programming arrangement, you can unquestionably discover one - yet it's not reasonable on the greater part of planned clients to go about as if that the DIY approach seems to be 'The One True Way'.

It's likewise not reasonable for make out that most audis and most producers are 'The Spawn Of The Devil'.

Every one of these contentions about the apparent "indecencies" of the business absolutely won't enable easygoing guests to this web to website.

I oppose this idea.

DIY programming of the top of the line helps is lawfully outlandish due to seller refusal to permit the required programming and offer the gear required for DIY programming.

I can't legitimately program, even somewhat, my Micro Tech (Starkey) helps because of the showcasing choices of Starkey.

A few people on this discussion have wrongfully gotten the things required, however that does not change the issue here.

EnglishDispenser I was astonished to find that the individual who said all that (i.e. offering self programming and uncovering the degree of benefits), on his website(s), when it suited his motivation in promoting, was non other than a similar individual who is eagerly against it here.

Huh? This has abruptly got somewhat individual.

I am NOT fervently against self programming, else I wouldn't have attempted to offer such arrangements in the UK ... in any case, I don't trust that it is the most imperative subject I have ever experienced.

I absolutely question that it's the key answer for the world's in need of a hearing aide.

Self programming, OTC deals and so forth all have a place in the market ... In any case, ... just as a specialty.

My protest to a hefty portion of the different posts here is that DIY and OTC arrangements are NOT going to be useful to 95%+ of HOH who are looking for listening device arrangements, so it's not by any stretch of the imagination reasonable for "push" the DIY & OTC alternatives so unequivocally.

With respect to costs, I don't know why I'm being assaulted at having costs somewhere in the range of 25% of what a few allocators in the UK can charge.

(To be reasonable for some of my more costly associates, they may have considerably higher overheads and so forth than my training)

Coincidentally, while we are in the temperament for specifying weblinks investigate www.fairhearing.net ... that is me as well.

portausb @ kevels55

much thanks to you

@pbs

much obliged for the connection

pbs Originally Posted by portausb

For elucidation

1: I never stated, never will, that all Audiologists are terrible, poor or whatever, not to mention that they are "the produce of the demon"- I like that one )

2: DIY writing computer programs is absolutely NOT for all, must NOT be forced on anybody, yet similarly MUST NOT BE DENIED the individuals who need and feel equipped and willing to learn. No body said it was THE ONE TRUE WAY !!!

3:I am very much aware it is accessible in the USA.

Goodness just recollected that it would have been accessible in the UK by an organization (wwwdotselfprogrammerdotcom) yet never removed the ground, this organization is claimed by a Mr.R.H. referred to in this gathering as English Dispenser!

4:HA manfacturers make immense benefits, the cost of the gadgets in a HA is litrally pennies.

5: Audiologists make expansive benefits as well, their increase is 300-400%. I didn't make this up my source is one gadget, who said on his site that he offers HA that others offer at £6000-£8000 for £2000 (he is as yet ensuring a sound benefit), so this is from the stallion's mouth.

Before I overlook the site is called freedomhearingdotcom, claimed again by Mr. R.H. or, then again E.D.

6: There is no apparent underhandedness, however it will do all guests to this gathering great to know the REAL FACTS.

At long last kindly don't think I am assaulting E.D., I don't have any acquaintance with him, he happened to remark on what I stated, I at that point recollected what I read on a site while doing my inquiry.

I backpedaled and checked

I was stunned to find that the individual who said all that (i.e. offering self programming and uncovering the degree of benefits), on his website(s), when it suited his motivation in promoting, was non other than a similar individual who is intensely against it here.

You might need to investigate Augmentics Ltd of Evesham. Same proprietorship???

portausb For illumination

1: I never stated, never will, that all Audiologists are awful, poor or whatever, not to mention that they are "the produce of the fallen angel"- I like that one )

2: DIY writing computer programs is absolutely NOT for all, must NOT be forced on anybody, yet similarly MUST NOT BE DENIED the individuals who need and feel capable and willing to learn. No body said it was THE ONE TRUE WAY !!!

3:I am very much aware it is accessible in the USA.

Gracious just recalled that it would have been accessible in the UK by an organization (wwwdotselfprogrammerdotcom) yet never removed the ground, this organization is possessed by a Mr.R.H. referred to in this gathering as English Dispenser!

4:HA manfacturers make immense benefits, the cost of the gadgets in a HA is litrally pennies.

5: Audiologists make expansive benefits as well, their increase is 300-400%. I didn't make this up my source is one allocator, who said on his site that he offers HA that others offer at

pbs Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

A couple of focuses:

* DIY programming of listening devices is not a religion, clique or political development. It's not in any case inconceivable ... you would already be able to purchase helps finish with fitting programming and links.

* Most portable amplifier clients won't need DIY answers for their listening ability misfortune.

* The standard producers have no budgetary motivation to tremendously build their expenses with a specific end goal to help a modest bunch of DIY customers. Specialty producers however can bolster DIY clients.

* As in all enterprises, a couple of audis are not precisely culminate - but rather most are satisfactory, and some are even tranquil skilled.

* There is no uber scheme amongst audis and producers to keep costs high and so on. The listening device advertise resembles some other : subject to showcase powers. You can get costly providers, markdown providers ... indeed, even conceivably unlawful dark market outside providers.

On the off chance that you need a DIY self programming arrangement, you can unquestionably discover one - however it's not reasonable on the larger part of forthcoming clients to go about as if that the DIY approach may be 'The One True Way'.

It's additionally not reasonable for make out that most audis and most makers are 'The Spawn Of The Devil'.

Every one of these contentions about the apparent "shades of malice" of the business surely won't enable easygoing guests to this web to website.

No, yet it may awaken some audis to either get completely prepared or restrict their deals to pack that they have had full preparing. Toward the day's end, why should the end client - effectively paying a high cost - must be additionally messed about by audis that are attempting to make a quick buck on an item they know minimal about?

On the off chance that you purchase, say a Phonak item, you are purchasing the abilities of the designer who composed it, the assembling office who manufactured it, AND the aptitudes of the audi that has the learning to adjust the item to your particular needs. To ensure that this chain is finished lies solidly at the entryway of the maker!!

EnglishDispenser A few focuses:

* DIY programming of amplifiers is not a religion, clique or political development. It's not in any case incomprehensible ... you would already be able to purchase helps finish with fitting programming and links.

* Most portable hearing assistant clients won't need DIY answers for their listening ability misfortune.

* The standard producers have no money related motivation to immensely build their expenses with a specific end goal to help a modest bunch of DIY customers. Specialty producers however can bolster DIY clients.

* As in all businesses, a couple of audis are not precisely idealize - but rather most are satisfactory, and some are even calm able.

* There is no uber scheme amongst audis and producers to keep costs high and so forth. The portable amplifier showcase resembles whatever other : subject to advertise strengths. You can get costly providers, markdown providers ... indeed, even conceivably illicit dim market remote providers.

On the off chance that you need a DIY self programming arrangement, you can positively discover one - yet it's not reasonable on the greater part of forthcoming clients to go about as if that the DIY approach seems to be 'The One True Way'.

It's likewise not reasonable for make out that most audis and most makers are 'The Spawn Of The Devil'.

Every one of these contentions about the apparent "shades of malice" of the business surely won't enable easygoing guests to this web to webpage.

pbs Originally Posted by portausb

Much obliged to you Kevels55

This originating from direct understanding.

There is most likely there are the individuals who need to ensure their "turf" at any value, blowing smoke screens all the while.

=====

In drug we have acknowledged long time back to quit "nannying" individuals. There is no preferred individual to take control over the patient.

====

I will give a couple of cases from the easy to the outrageous.

On the off chance that you are diabetic requiring Insulin. You will be prepared to gauge your dosage and to infuse it yourself. Besides you will be given a Glucose test meter and trained on the best way to take a specimen of your blood, test it, at that point figure your dosage and infuse it upto a few times each day.

Does that appear to be excessively straightforward in correlation with tweaking a listening device?

In the event that you suspect as much at that point let me give you another illustration.

On the off chance that you experience the ill effects of renal (kidney) disappointment, anticipating transplant or it is impractical to work for reasons unknown. You will experience renal dialysis.

As this might be long haul, you and a carer or carers (spouse, wife, brother...etc) will be prepared to utilize a home dialysis machine.

Presently this is an extremely sophisticted and confounded machine as you may envision or definitely know.

For the individuals who may not know, dialysis includes going the blood through the machine for a few hours to be filtered of waste items that typically the body disposes of in pee.

The machine must be clearly worked effectively and always checked, and straightforward medicinal strides taken if there should be an occurrence of non excessively major issues (instead of close it down and shout for offer assistance).

You must know that as this includes passing blood from an artrey (through a formerly performed shunt), through the machine and back to the body into a vein (again arranged amid the shunt surgery).

You will most likely know, or coherently finish up, what number of dangers are included here, from a disengagement causing a genuine dying (considering that you will have had - Heparin-a hostile to coagulant to stop the blood coagulating in the machine, and along these lines it won't clump in the event of drain either), to the ingerssion of any rises of air into the framework which can execute you (air embolism).

I am not going to experience the numerous other conceivable issues, I think you should have (on the off chance that you don't know as of now) got the photo.

Presently how does tuning a portable hearing assistant contrast with home dialysis?

End of conversation?

Great illustrations BUT, that doesn't imply that it would not be more secure if done by an expert! In the two cases that you have portrayed, the shear volume of such cases requires a judgment to be made concerning self care.

As I said before, I can obviously comprehend the inclination for a DIY approach in light of the numerous, numerous protestations of audi ineptitude or absence of preparing however once more, I would lay this at the entryway of the makers. Either guarantee that the whole conveyance chain is completely cognisant of the item as it applies to the end client OR, make the item considerably less difficult.

In the race to showcase numerous items are hitting the end client some time before the business/appropriation organize are up to speed. Numerous items are route over confused trying to either make a 'one size fits all' or just to exceed the opposition.

Back in the 60s, numerous European auto producers we attempting to get into the US advertise. Just VW succeeded in light of the fact that exclusive VW demanded setting up the encouraging group of people solidly BEFORE they sold the principal auto. Possibly the HA business should remove a leaf from VW's book!!

Assist on the purpose of DIY programming, I ponder what happens to the guarantee when the end client begins fiddling with the gadget?? Worth pondering!!!

kevels55 Originally Posted by portausb

Much obliged to you Kevels55

This originating from direct understanding.

There is doubtlessly there are the individuals who need to ensure their "turf" at any value, blowing smoke screens simultaneously.

=====

In drug we have acknowledged long time back to quit "nannying" individuals. There is no preferable individual to take control over the patient.

====

I will give a couple of cases from the easy to the outrageous.

On the off chance that you are diabetic requiring Insulin. You will be prepared to gauge your measurement and to infuse it yourself. Besides you will be given a Glucose test meter and taught on the best way to take a specimen of your blood, test it, at that point ascertain your measurements and infuse it upto a few times each day.

Does that appear to be excessively basic in correlation with calibrating a listening device?

On the off chance that you suspect as much at that point let me give you another illustration.

On the off chance that you experience the ill effects of renal (kidney) disappointment, anticipating transplant or it is unrealistic to work for reasons unknown. You will experience renal dialysis.

As this might be long haul, you and a carer or carers (spouse, wife, brother...etc) will be prepared to utilize a home dialysis machine.

Presently this is an exceptionally sophisticted and convoluted machine as you may envision or definitely know.

For the individuals who may not know, dialysis includes going the blood through the machine for a few hours to be purged of waste items that ordinarily the body disposes of in pee.

The machine must be clearly worked effectively and always observed, and straightforward medicinal strides taken if there should be an occurrence of non excessively major issues (as opposed to close it down and shout for offer assistance).

You must know that as this includes passing blood from an artrey (through a formerly performed shunt), through the machine and back to the body into a vein (again arranged amid the shunt surgery).

You will probably know, or legitimately finish up, what number of dangers are included here, from a separation causing a genuine dying (considering that you will have had - Heparin-a hostile to coagulant to stop the blood thickening in the machine, and in this manner it won't clump if there should arise an occurrence of drain either), to the ingerssion of any rises of air into the framework which can slaughter you (air embolism).

I am not going to experience the numerous other conceivable issues, I think you should have (on the off chance that you don't know as of now) got the photo.

Presently how does tuning a portable hearing assistant contrast with home dialysis?

End of conversation?

You are welcome Portausb

I completely cherish your similarity and this kicks into touch a great part of the subterfuge from "A few" of the Pro's who will attempt to move any far from self-programing....................... Try not to be taken in by "A few" of their trickery as in many examples this is executed independent from anyone else pick up! In the event that you need self-programing, at that point do it! What's more, yes, numerous obstructions will be put in your approach to hinder and debilitate you! Taking control of your listening devices, yes the ones you purchased and paid for can be extremely freeing, self fulfilling or more all, this will in the long run demonstrate a great deal more financially savvy!!!

Cheers Kev

portausb Thank you Kevels55

This originating from direct involvement.

There is probably there are the individuals who need to ensure their "turf" at any value, blowing smoke screens all the while.

=====

In drug we have acknowledged long time prior to quit "nannying" individuals. There is no preferred individual to take control over the patient.

====

I will give a couple of cases from the easy to the extraordinary.

In the event that you are diabetic requiring Insulin. You will be prepared to quantify your measurement and to infuse it yourself. Besides you will be given a Glucose test meter and trained on the best way to take a specimen of your blood, test it, at that point figure your dosage and infuse it upto a few times each day.

Does that appear to be excessively straightforward in examination with calibrating a listening device?

In the event that you suspect as much at that point let me give you another case.

On the off chance that you experience the ill effects of renal (kidney) disappointment, anticipating transplant or it is impractical to work for reasons unknown. You will experience renal dialysis.

As this might be long haul, you and a carer or carers (spouse, wife, brother...etc) will be prepared to utilize a home dialysis machine.

Presently this is an extremely sophisticted and confused machine as you may envision or definitely know.

For the individuals who may not know, dialysis includes going the blood through the machine for a few hours to be purged of waste items that typically the body disposes of in pee.

The machine must be clearly worked accurately and always observed, and straightforward medicinal strides taken if there should arise an occurrence of non excessively major issues (instead of close it down and shout for offer assistance).

You must know that as this includes passing blood from an artrey (through a formerly performed shunt), through the machine and back to the body into a vein (again arranged amid the shunt surgery).

You will probably know, or legitimately finish up, what number of dangers are included here, from a disengagement causing a genuine dying (considering that you will have had - Heparin-a hostile to coagulant to stop the blood thickening in the machine, and thusly it won't cluster in the event of drain either), to the ingerssion of any rises of air into the framework which can execute you (air embolism).

I am not going to experience the numerous other conceivable issues, I think you should have (in the event that you don't know as of now) got the photo.

Presently how does tuning a listening device contrast with home dialysis?

That's all anyone needs to know?

kevels55 In truth you could prepare monkeys to program a phonak Spice help with Target, god just knows why the Pro's can't get it right?.................... A tadge unforgiving on the Pro's maybe, however in the event that a portion of the remarks on here are characteristic of the hearing business in general, at that point the monkeys may maybe make a superior showing with regards to??? This is not advanced science folks and young ladies, don't let a portion of the Pro's on here force the fleece over your eyes, on the off chance that you have some PC smart, at that point self programing is for you!

Cheers Kev

pbs Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

So you can reinvent the ECU of your auto can you?

Or, then again the processor in your pacemaker?

Or, then again the chips in your focal warming?

Or, then again your electric toothbrush microchip?

Just a modest minority of clients would need to do any of these things - but then the producer would need to supply programming devices, manuals, bolster lines and so forth for this moderately modest number of individuals.

On top of this the bill for risk protection would be terrible.

Additionally, it's sufficiently hard contracting top individuals in an innovative organization without adding a greater amount of these uncommon & costly staff to help - blunder - tinkerers.

In the event that YOU maintained a business making, say, microwave broilers would YOU or your shareholders bolster alterations to the item by clients?

You may offer a couple of more units a year ... in any case, you would likewise wind up with HUGE expenses & liabilities.

Do you believe that would be a sensible move?

Of course, some portable amplifier clients might adjust their guides ... also, some more would inaccurately trust they had these aptitudes ... yet, why might any business association contribute tremendous wholes to include a couple of more deals?

I concur with your estimations totally - just a trick would attempt to disturb the item without knowing about the plan and so forth. Notwithstanding, it is anything but difficult to perceive how doing your own programming comes to fruition when you perceive what number of posts are announcing that their audis are essentially not sufficiently gifted to carry out the occupation legitimately. This appears to be especially valid with the Phonak Spice gadgets - as I probably am aware from my own drawn out dealings with two distinctive audis!!

portausb Lack of rationale

in any case

yes I can reinvent a few parts of the ECU in my auto, and this is all we are asking "a few angles" or at the end of the day to have the capacity to FINE TUNE our guides.

With regards to the pacemaker, in the event that you want to escape with such a senseless relationship, you picked the wrong individual to contend with, listening devices and pacemakers are as comparative as stifle and cheddar as far as conceivable dangers to abuse, and Audiologists to Cardiologists are similarly as (dis)similar , I should know I am as it happened a specialist.

I don't wish to go into talk with somebody who has a reasonable personal stake in the continuation of a circumstance that, blatently, is immaculate business abuse.

I have most likely your state of mind would not have been the same had you stayed in your past occupation,( IT you said in another string), and encountered this as a purchaser.

With your experience would you have been substance to let somebody who is clearly less kowledgeable or capable than yourself keep on taking charge of an issue concerning you so intently and specifically on an individual level for reasons unknown other than business interests?

What does TOTALLY INVALIDATE your spurious contentions is the way that some listening device producers do give their product to download.

Phonak themselves still have on their site joins for downloading IPFG.

End of exchange with you.

Initially Posted by EnglishDispenser

So you can reinvent the ECU of your auto can you?

Or, then again the processor in your pacemaker?

Or, then again the chips in your focal warming?

Or, then again your electric toothbrush microchip?

Just a modest minority of clients would need to do any of these things - but then the maker would need to supply programming instruments, manuals, bolster lines and so forth for this moderately modest number of individuals.

On top of this the bill for obligation protection would be awful.

Likewise, it's sufficiently hard enlisting top individuals in a cutting edge organization without adding a greater amount of these uncommon & costly staff to help - fail - tinkerers.

On the off chance that YOU maintained a business making, say, microwave broilers would YOU or your shareholders bolster alterations to the item by clients?

You may offer a couple of more units a year ... be that as it may, you would likewise wind up with HUGE expenses & liabilities.

Do you believe that would be a sensible move?

Of course, some portable hearing assistant clients might calibrate their guides ... what's more, some more would erroneously trust they had these aptitudes ... be that as it may, why might any business association contribute colossal entireties to include a couple of more deals?

MKAH Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

So you can reconstruct the ECU of your auto can you?

Or, on the other hand the processor in your pacemaker?

Or, on the other hand the chips in your focal warming?

Or, on the other hand your electric toothbrush microchip?

Just a little minority of clients would need to do any of these things - but then the maker would need to supply programming devices, manuals, bolster lines and so forth for this moderately modest number of individuals.

On top of this the bill for risk protection would be awful.

Additionally, it's sufficiently hard procuring top individuals in a cutting edge organization without adding a greater amount of these uncommon & costly staff to help - blunder - tinkerers.

In the event that YOU maintained a business making, say, microwave broilers would YOU or your shareholders bolster changes to the item by clients?

You may offer a couple of more units a year ... be that as it may, you would likewise wind up with HUGE expenses & liabilities.

Do you feel that would be a sensible move?

Certainly, some listening device clients might calibrate their guides ... also, some more would mistakenly trust they had these abilities ... be that as it may, why might any business association contribute gigantic wholes to include a couple of more deals?

I concur with you.

EnglishDispenser This industry is a loathsome shut shop.

So you can reconstruct the ECU of your auto can you?

Or, on the other hand the processor in your pacemaker?

Or, on the other hand the chips in your focal warming?

Or, on the other hand your electric toothbrush microchip?

Just a modest minority of clients would need to do any of these things - but the maker would need to supply programming apparatuses, manuals, bolster lines and so forth for this moderately modest number of individuals.

On top of this the bill for obligation protection would be horrendous.

Likewise, it's sufficiently hard procuring top individuals in an innovative organization without adding a greater amount of these uncommon & costly staff to help - blunder - tinkerers.

On the off chance that YOU maintained a business making, say, microwave broilers would YOU or your shareholders bolster alterations to the item by clients?

You may offer a couple of more units a year ... yet, you would likewise wind up with HUGE expenses & liabilities.

Do you believe that would be a sensible move?

Of course, some portable amplifier clients might adjust their guides ... furthermore, some more would mistakenly trust they had these abilities ... be that as it may, why might any business association contribute colossal entireties to include a couple of more deals?

portausb Having spent a fortune on Phonak HA (flavor stage), and almost a year forward and backward. I purchased a HiPro and links, spending another little fortune (sitting tight for landing of those), I am amazingly p***off as I can't get the Target programming for adoration or cash.

This industry is a repulsive shut shop.

The reason utilized that we are imbeciles who will destroy our portable amplifiers, ears, and wellbeing and might be our neighbors wellbeing and riches as well, is such a damn refuse.

What number of us would purchase an auto and acknowledge that he can't do take a shot at it on the off chance that he wished?

Which is more risky to crash your auto for instance in the event that you fit your own particular brakes severely, or tune your amplifier seriously or even b*****r it totally?

I have utilized, customized, altered, manufactured my own, and even distributed PCs ventures since before IBM made the main PC accessible, (1979 to be correct), yet it appears I am not sufficiently capable to adjust my own particular HA.

On the off chance that anybody knows how one could get a duplicate of Target ( I delay to state by reasonable means or foul), it would be ideal if you pm me

pbs Originally Posted by cjw

I got tired of my Audiologist not by any stretch of the imagination knowing how the Phonak programming functioned. He didn't think about the sound specimens, and the intelligent changes that you can make utilizing those.

I purchased an iCube on eBay - potentially a Chinese knock off, however it looks exceptionally genuine and absolutely works OK.

I would now be able to alter my listening ability and quickly observe whether the modification has had any kind of effect. Therefore my listening ability is limitlessly better.

The audiologists on here are maybe right that sure of the setup requires their master information, and I am extremely watchful not to go close to any of the bits that I don't get it. I can't help thinking that a chopped down variant of the iPFG programming, and iCube capacity incorporated with the iCom would be a colossal resource for Phonak.

I trust somebody from Phonak peruses these posts. These are costly bits of pack that Phonak are pushing out through audis that truly don't appear to comprehend the item. At last the client either squanders his/her time in futile trials or stalls out with a buy of an item that is mistakenly set-up.

I squandered 3 months on a Smart IX trial that deteriorated everytime my audi made a change. She had no clue how the Target programming functioned.

cjw I got tired of my Audiologist not by any means knowing how the Phonak programming functioned. He didn't think about the sound specimens, and the intuitive changes that you can make utilizing those.

I purchased an iCube on eBay - perhaps a Chinese knock off, however it looks extremely authentic and absolutely works OK.

I would now be able to alter my listening ability and instantly observe whether the alteration has had any kind of effect. Thus my listening ability is boundlessly better.

The audiologists on here are maybe right that sure of the setup requires their master learning, and I am exceptionally cautious not to go close to any of the bits that I don't get it. I can't help thinking that a chopped down adaptation of the iPFG programming, and iCube capacity incorporated with the iCom would be a gigantic advantage for Phonak.

pbs Originally Posted by crown

This is truly troubling, and demonstrative of why I need to attempt to set up my own particular guides. On the off chance that the audi doesn't know the product, it implies, one, she doesn't know the instrument's capacities; two, she doesn't know how to make those abilities really capacity; and three, she isn't state-of-the-art on the innovation and its connection with audiology. Why spend umpteen thousand dollars on advanced amplifiers if the individual you rely on upon can't make them work without calling technical support? You could do that without anyone else's help, in principle.

This resembles being some sort of gathered master on a zone of IT without knowing how to utilize the product.

Sorry to learn unforgiving yet the audiology business is a wreck.

For a "Specialist" to need to call the maker to set up the item effectively is sickening. The individual on the flip side of the telephone knows nothing about the patient - the person who is paying bug bucks for the item. You may have great help in the US however from my own experience Phonak bolster leaves a considerable measure to be fancied here in France. My first audi burned through 2 months fiddling around before she called at last called Phonak, at that point she fiddled more that simply exacerbated them! They worked best when she initially offered them to me and they went downhill from that point!

I am currently attempting Widex Clear 440 Fusion - diverse audi - worked first time separated from a touch of wind commotion which was soon redressed. They are not exactly as great at finding the heading of the sound as the Phonaks - before she began fiddling so my new audi has requested another arrangement of Phonak S Smart IXs to check whether he can improve them. In the event that this person can set them up appropriately then it will plainly call attention to the inadequacies in some audis as well as the over unpredictability of the Phonak set-up. Watch this space!!

corona Originally Posted by DianaS

I'm simply getting used to my Phonak Audeo Smart V's. When I had my first change visit, my audiologist didn't know about precisely what changes would best fit my issues and called Phonak twice amid the visit. She experienced no difficulty achieving a help individual and working through everything. At any rate in the US, this help benefit appears to be exceptionally open even without a rep being in the workplace.

This is truly upsetting, and characteristic of why I need to attempt to set up my own guides. In the event that the audi doesn't know the product, it implies, one, she doesn't know the instrument's capacities; two, she doesn't know how to make those abilities really capacity; and three, she isn't up and coming on the innovation and its collaboration with audiology. Why spend umpteen thousand dollars on advanced listening devices if the individual you rely on upon can't make them work without calling technical support? You could do that without anyone's help, in principle.

This resembles being some sort of assumed master on a range of IT without knowing how to utilize the product.

Sorry to learn unforgiving however the audiology business is a wreck.

kevels55 Originally Posted by Freak Accident

So does anybody know where to get the Target programming without paying gobs of cash? I attempted deluges and simply looking through the web without much of any result. That is the manner by which I came here.

Greetings FA

PM me

Cheers Kev.

pbs Originally Posted by alpine1

Unlawfully?

Nobody advocates the robbery of programming BUT, in the event that Phonak don't haul their finger out and either be more particular of who they sold their item from the perspective of them having the capacity to comprehend and USE the product appropriately OR, make the entire thing substantially more straightforward so that more experts can utilize and comprehend the application, at that point frustrated end clients, having spent a great deal of cash, will go searching for their own particular duplicate of the product and trust me, if enough individuals are looking some individual will supply it!!

My first audi was - and still is utilizing adaptation 1.0. My second audi brought in the Phonak rep who was similarly futile at having the capacity to talk about the issue in any profundity. You basically can't offer pack at these costs without appropriate specialized help.

alpine1 Illegally?

Initially Posted by prodigyplace

Lawfully authorized? No.

prodigyplace Originally Posted by Freak Accident

So does anybody know where to get the Target programming without paying truckloads of money? I attempted deluges and simply looking through the web without any result. That is the means by which I came here.

Lawfully authorized? No.

Freak Accident So does anybody know where to get the Target programming without paying truckloads of money? I attempted deluges and simply looking through the web without any result. That is the manner by which I came here.

pbs Originally Posted by kevels55

Affirmative Peter

I would not state I'm totally PC educated or anyplace close to that, I discover some new information regular! I can and do construct my own PC's, however that is genuinely oversimplified stuff, the genuine sharp folks are the product software engineers, IMHO! For me and BTW I'm likewise dyslexic and a one fingered typist a PC is only an exceptionally basic instrument and it is extremely hard to break as generally all that you do on any PC can be fixed, the trap is knowing how

There are ways and methods for acquiring Target, you simply need to ask the ideal individual

Cheers Kev

Hey Kev,

I had a meeting today with my second audi - one of the Clear 440s was playing up. This is the person who attempted to fix what the first audi had done to the S Smart IXs. Anyway, unexpectedly he declared that he had requested another combine of S Smart IXs for me! He got the bit tween his teeth over the issues that I had with the Phonaks and just took it on himself to attempt the Phonaks once again despite the fact that I was very satisfied with the Widex 440s. It will be exceptionally intriguing to re-attempt the Phonaks set up starting with no outside help by an audi who appears to recognize what he is doing.

Sooooo, old buddy, I may very well come searching for that Target programming!!!

Best respects,

Dwindle

kevels55 Originally Posted by pbs

Hey Kev,

I am PC proficient - ran an expansive IT gather for a long time - however how would you get hold of the product? Don't the mfgs limit it to qualified audis?

I concur with you about separating the digit. A couple of top HAs are really near the cost of a little family auto and what number of autos would you offer if just couple of carports knew how they functioned? At any rate the auto organizations give you an appropriate handbook! The downloaded client manual for the S Smart IX disclosed to you how to turn it on and off, change the battery and after that 3 pages of indistinguishable graphs demonstrating to embed the guides with various units!

Respects,

Diminish

Yes Peter

I would not state I'm totally PC proficient or anyplace close to that, I gain some new useful knowledge ordinary! I can and do construct my own particular PC's, however that is genuinely oversimplified stuff, the genuine smart folks are the product developers, IMHO! For me and BTW I'm additionally dyslexic and a one fingered typist a PC is only an exceptionally straightforward device and it is extremely hard to break as generally all that you do on any PC can be fixed, the trap is knowing how

There are ways and methods for getting Target, you simply need to ask the opportune individual

Cheers Kev

pbs Originally Posted by kevels55

LOL I like the biting gum sales representative quote!

No doubt pbs, thank you for the kind words These guides are amazing, however getting a decent Audi to fit them is almost as uncommon as "Hens Teeth".................... which is a crying disgrace and Phonak need to get their finger out! For my cash, giving Audi's practically no preparation, particularly in the event that they are not exceptionally PC educated is a formula for calamity! My last Audiologist was great and an exceptionally certifiable individual, qualified in everything, including Speech Therapy, a Tinnitus Councilor and a specialist in Cochlear Implants, yet was panicked of PCs and was not able exchange all that abundance of learning to the business end, so I wound up showing the Audi what to do! Suffice to state, this is one of the primary reasons why I program myself!

Cheers Kev

Howdy Kev,

I am PC proficient - ran an expansive IT aggregate for a long time - yet how would you get hold of the product? Don't the mfgs limit it to qualified audis?

I concur with you about extricating the digit. A couple of top HAs are really near the cost of a little family auto and what number of autos would you offer if just couple of carports knew how they functioned? At any rate the auto organizations give you an appropriate handbook! The downloaded client manual for the S Smart IX disclosed to you how to turn it on and off, change the battery and afterward 3 pages of indistinguishable outlines demonstrating to embed the guides with various units!

Respects,

Subside

kevels55 Originally Posted by pbs

Kev, you are totally right. When I had a Smart IXs and my underlying audi was on vacation I went to another audi - additionally a Phonak specialist - and he burned through 4.5 hours - UNPAID! - attempting to reset the IXs. He made a slight change yet the fundamental issue of losing the concentration if there was a moment sound source behind you was still there. He inspired me to attempt the Widex Clear 440. They are an extraordinary change. He in this way had a meeting with the Phonak rep about my concern. In his words "The person would have made a decent biting gum businessperson!". No doubt the issue goes straight up the chain!

Respects,

LOL I like the biting gum sales representative quote!

No doubt pbs, thank you for the kind words These guides are fantastic, however getting a decent Audi to fit them is about as uncommon as "Hens Teeth".................... which is a crying disgrace and Phonak need to get their finger out! For my cash, giving Audi's practically zero preparing, particularly in the event that they are not exceptionally PC proficient is a formula for debacle! My last Audiologist was phenomenal and an exceptionally authentic individual, qualified in everything, including Speech Therapy, a Tinnitus Councilor and a specialist in Cochlear Implants, yet was scared of PCs and was not able exchange all that abundance of information to the business end, so I wound up showing the Audi what to do! Suffice to state, this is one of the fundamental reasons why I program myself!

Cheers Kev

pbs Originally Posted by kevels55

Affirmative pbs

To the uninitiated and unpracticed Audi, Target can be a touch of confounding! Everything is in the underlying set up and certain strategies must be taken after or you are.......................... up sh1t spring with no oar

Cheers Kev.

Kev, you are completely right. When I had a Smart IXs and my underlying audi was on vacation I went to another audi - additionally a Phonak operator - and he burned through 4.5 hours - UNPAID! - attempting to reset the IXs. He made a slight change yet the fundamental issue of losing the concentration if there was a moment sound source behind you was still there. He motivated me to attempt the Widex Clear 440. They are an incredible change. He in this manner had a meeting with the Phonak rep about my concern. In his words "The person would have made a decent biting gum salesperson!". No doubt the issue goes straight up the chain!

Respects,

kevels55 Originally Posted by pbs

My audi burned through THREE month messing around with my Audeo S Smart IX. I recommended the Phonak rep however she never took me up on it. Squandered 3 months and after that I returned them to attempt Widex Clear 440 with another audi. Despite everything I believe that with the right programming variant and specialized information the Audeos would have been a superior wager. Why do Phonak need to make it so troublesome and why wouldn't they be able to demand that the general population who offer their items know how to do as such?

Affirmative pbs

To the uninitiated and unpracticed Audi, Target can be a touch of befuddling! Everything is in the underlying set up and certain strategies must be taken after or you are.......................... up sh1t river with no oar

Cheers Kev.

pbs Originally Posted by NeedsumFriends

Stunning! Smart thought to have the mfg rep there amid an arrangement.

My audi burned through THREE month messing around with my Audeo S Smart IX. I proposed the Phonak rep however she never took me up on it. Squandered 3 months and afterward I returned them to attempt Widex Clear 440 with another audi. Despite everything I feel that with the right programming form and specialized learning the Audeos would have been a superior wager. Why do Phonak need to make it so troublesome and why wouldn't they be able to demand that the general population who offer their items know how to do as such?

Freak Accident I too would love a duplicate of Target 1.2 programming for my Phonak listening devices and bluetooth. I just got my portable hearing assistants about a month prior from the V.A. I cherish them yet might especially want to calibrate them.

kevels55 Originally Posted by jellson1998

Hello!

Is there anyplace to get the Target programming? I have attempted downpours, and all that I can consider with no luckiness.. I as of now have an iCube, simply need to make 2 little modifications..

Howdy Jellson

PM me

Cheers Kev.

DianaS I'm simply getting used to my Phonak Audeo Smart V's. When I had my first change visit, my audiologist didn't know about precisely what changes would best fit my issues and called Phonak twice amid the visit. She experienced no difficulty achieving a help individual and working through everything. In any event in the US, this help benefit appears to be exceptionally available even without a rep being in the workplace.

aero777 Originally Posted by jellson1998

Hello!

Is there anyplace to get the Target programming? I have attempted downpours, and all that I can consider with no luckiness.. I as of now have an iCube, simply need to make 2 little changes..

Preferable late over never...Link

NeedsumFriends Originally Posted by NayTatas

Haven't seen anything yet. My Audi, while a pleasant individual, is awful when it coems to knowing the Target programming. I stay there and disclose to her what to tap on and what to change. She gets irritated at me detecting her own particular numbness.

No ifs ands or buts, in the event that I had the product and the iCube, I can really boost these Phonak Aids. At this moment, I feel I'm just getting 70% of their actual potential.

Until further notice, I'm turning to making arrangements at the audi when the Phonak rep is there.

Stunning! Smart thought to have the mfg rep there amid an arrangement.

NayTatas Haven't seen anything yet. My Audi, while a pleasant individual, is repulsive when it coems to knowing the Target programming. I stay there and reveal to her what to tap on and what to change. She gets irritated at me detecting her own particular obliviousness.

Unmistakably, on the off chance that I had the product and the iCube, I can really amplify these Phonak Aids. At the present time, I feel I'm just getting 70% of their actual potential.

For the present, I'm turning to making arrangements at the audi when the Phonak rep is there.

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