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2009-02-23 15:47:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  Juergen
Hello,

I will purchase a top of the line hearing gadget and for me it is critical that I am ready to do the fitting my self.

So on the off chance that I deside to get one I need no doubt, that the product is accessible

I have done a synopsis of all the product I know up to now.

If it's not too much trouble don't hesitate to sent my a private message with connections to lawful and free programming.

I will include this at this place.

Unitronhttp://www.unitronhearing.us/ccus/pr...wnloads_us.htm

Himsa Update NoahLinkhttp://german.himsa.com/Download/NOA...E/Default.aspx

Widex compasshttp://www.widexpro.com/wps/entry/!...NUElVMjAwMTc!/

americahearshttp://www.americahears.com/programming/setup.exe

Phonak IPFG 2.4http://www.phonak.com/proficient/p...&PrivateLabel=

Siemenshttps://hearing.siemens.com/ca/01-b2.../downloads.jsp

Reverberate aventa http://www.gnresound.com/software.html

Oticon otisethttp://support.oticon.ca/Otiset/Otiset5_Eng.zip

Oticon Genie 2009.1 with SP1 (there is a secret word needed)http://support.oticon.ca/

Refresh 2012:http://www.oticonsupport.co.uk/Downloads.htm

In the event that you require a link than you will get what you ask for:https://ssl.kundenserver.de/revear-s...ld&shop_param=

include a few welcome from "Jürgen"

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pvc Originally Posted by thomas2011

- <snip>- any hot tip ? thx

Approve, in the event that you could ace Advanced Search you may have taken in the accompanying...

1) Unitron-Truefit programming is hard to get

2) The Unitron site gives a download connect yet it requires a record login

3) Some ppl acquired it from their neighborhood audi

4) Some ppl discovered it available to be purchased on EBay

5) Some ppl got it from another hearingaidforums part

6) the last three techniques may likely deliver a more seasoned (non ebb and flow) variant

What else, did i forget anything? I have nothing else for you. Good fortunes!

pvc Originally Posted by thomas2011

Hello there pvc

no thought...

unsuccessful

any hot tip ?

thx

I don't know what (no thought... unsuccessful) implies?

Does that mean you were not able take after the Advanced Search directions to take a gander at every individual post that says the word truefit? Is that it? You can't get the Advanced Search to work? If so at that point let me know which part of the Advanced Search directions you don't get it. Each post is a piece of a string and you can peruse that string to perceive what else was said after somebody specified truefit. So you don't need to limit yourself to perusing just the post that specified truefit.

Or, on the other hand, possibly you had accomplishment with Advanced Search, and you got to take a gander at every individual post that says the word truefit. In any case, in the wake of taking a gander at every single post in these gatherings that notices truefit you were as yet unsuccessful in making sense of how to download truefit?

thomas2011 Hi pvc

no thought...

unsuccessful

any hot tip ?

thx

pvc Originally Posted by thomas2011

Hi,

any thought where Ican download fitting programming for Unitron MOXI2 DURA?

I figure ought to be TrueFIT, yet elusive it for.

Thx

Tap the Advanced Search device on the (upper ideal) of this discussion page

Snap Search Single Content Type tab (upper left)

- This will give you some additional (extra Options) at the base

Select Show Results as: Posts

Sort truefit (or whatever) into Keywords box

Snap Search Now

This will demonstrate singular presents as opposed to having on trudge through long strings

thomas2011 Originally Posted by pvc

>>LMGTFY<<

Hi,

any thought where Ican download fitting programming for Unitron MOXI2 DURA?

I figure ought to be TrueFIT, yet elusive it for.

Thx

thomas2011 Originally Posted by pvc

>>LMGTFY<<

Much obliged a looooot !!!!!!http://fittingsw-objects.phonak.com/SWUpdates/Target/Phonak%20Target%205.0.1/PhonakTargetCustomer5.0.1.29364.exe

pvc >>LMGTFY<<

thomas2011 Originally Posted by platypus

I'm cheerful to oblige when I can. Albeit every one of the ones I have were downloaded for nothing off the web.

Phonak Target 3.0

Oticon Genie 2013.1

Reverberate Aventa 3.4

Sonic Innovations ExpressFit V2012.1

I just purchased an utilized combine of Phonak Audeo Q50-312.

My iPFG v2.6 does not bolster for fitting this Audeo Q family.

Where may I download another variant of iPFG or Target to fit my HA?

I welcome a looooot!

Much obliged ahead of time!

corona Originally Posted by want2hear1

greetings the primary connection for unitron does not work please i require the full connection

Unless some person ventures up - because of your posting this inquiry various spots - then I believe you're SOL searching for an official form.

Still, in case you're willing to do reestablish focuses, pre-emptive reinforcements, and so on and your assurance is great - and you industriously utilize https://www.virustotal.com/en/ - then you could simply... https://lmgtfy.com/?q=truefit+download

The software.informer.com looks perhaps the slightest frightening - they have a few forms of TrueFit - however you're all alone.

pvc Originally Posted by TangoRomeo

- <snip>- For fitting equipment, you will require a Hi-genius or comparable equipment interface gadget, two cs-44 programming links, and the right programming connectors for your listening devices. You could hope to consume at least $300.00 to $400.00 to gain the equipment, contingent upon your understanding in searching for things on ebay, and whether you will utilize the more seasoned serial port form of the howdy genius. With later gear, hope to spend somewhat more.

This is never again valid (as of the fall 2016) see >>mini Pro<<. The >>mini Pro<< is less expensive than even a serial Hi-Pro!

want2hear1 In sydney, i discovered Blamey Sanders hears organization i think they are fundamentally the same as america hear least expensive bte they got is LOFT bte for 1200$ extraordinary gadget am utilizing it

want2hear1 hi the principal interface for unitron does not work please i require the full connection

corona This site - which is really a GN Resound bolster site - has a few adaptations of Aventa, and a cluster of different assets other than. I've just attempted the latest rendition of Aventa, yet it is not secret word secured at all (so I'm accepting nothing else is, either).http://supportgn.com/resonate/

TangoRomeo Originally Posted by aksmani

I have Siemens Pure 301 XCEL RIC. I am disappointed with my audiologist. We are going no place. I lost as of now 3 years.I am an electrical architect. I see how it functions and what recurrence extend I require intensifications. When I took a gander at Siemens site, they discuss Connexx 6.6 SW. How might i get it and utilize it in my own particular PC so i can alter whenever i need.

I checked on the discussion. The connections given to download the SW don't work. It will have a major effect in my life on the off chance that I would some be able to how do it without anyone's help.

Any assistance will be incredibly refreshing.

Much obliged to you ahead of time.

I did a fast google look "connexx 6 download" and found a few conceivable downloads. You do require the Connexx 6 variant of the product for xcel. You ought to have the capacity to download the product without cost.

For fitting equipment, you will require a Hi-genius or comparable equipment interface gadget, two cs-44 programming links, and the right programming connectors for your listening devices. You could hope to consume at least $300.00 to $400.00 to gain the equipment, contingent upon your understanding in searching for things on ebay, and whether you will utilize the more established serial port variant of the greetings star. With later gear, hope to spend somewhat more.

Expectation the data aides, and good fortunes with your inquiries.

CFM51 Hello, I am anxious I can't help with Siemens programming yet can offer the guidance to not get demoralized and continue looking. I excessively put in over three years (2012 to 2016) in a colossally baffling (and costly) arrangement of audiologist sessions. I at long last ran over this site and some consolation and started a (likewise costly, eventually enormously fulfilling) scan for equipment and programming. My audiologists had sold me Widex and Oticon - I've possessed the capacity to get Compass, Compass GPS and Genie, a HiPro, heaps of links, all from eBay. Somewhat moderate, somewhat costly. In any case, after maybe 50 meetings with two centers and three audiologists, whom for God-recognizes what reason were not able program any of the four instruments I have tastefully. Each of those arrangements were trailed by a week or so to seek out surrounding sounds and loud situations to test whether the settings were worthy. You can envision my amazement to discover the product has whole solid libraries with precisely the sounds I whined about and the testing could have been done in the audiologists office. Unexpectedly, I put in those four years pondering whether the product was excessively trying for the audiologists and that was the purpose behind their unsuccessful endeavors; it is possible that they knew little of the product or they nurtured their patient. However once I could connect them to myself I found that (actually) quickly the product tastefully hits 'targets'. Tweaking - with it's different showcases, capacities and dynamic imaging, and so on - should be possible now in fifteen moment sessions whenever I like or need. So this is not an assistance with finding your product but rather I trust it gives consolation to continue looking as I would ensure the pursuit is justified regardless of the exertion. Furthermore, in shutting maybe this recommendation. I could get a portion of the required gear by sending messages straightforwardly to hearing-related eBay dealers transferring my particular needs. Either by fortuitous event or fortunes I could abbreviate my hunt that way. Good fortunes!

aksmani I have Siemens Pure 301 XCEL RIC. I am disappointed with my audiologist. We are going no place. I lost as of now 3 years.I am an electrical specialist. I see how it functions and what recurrence extend I require enhancements. When I took a gander at Siemens site, they discuss Connexx 6.6 SW. How might i get it and utilize it in my own PC so i can change whenever i need.

I checked on the discussion. The connections given to download the SW don't work. It will have a major effect in my life in the event that I would some be able to how do it without anyone else's help.

Any assistance will be significantly refreshing.

Much thanks to you ahead of time.

TangoRomeo Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Does anybody know the record secret key for the most recent REsound Aventa programming download document so I don't need to call them this end of the week?

Or, then again perhaps access to the product without watchword?

Would someone be able to pm it to me?

I downloaded the ReSound Aventa 3.10 Stand Alone fitting programming, and introduced it without a secret key, very little over a month back. I found the connection here in the discussions some place, yet don't recollect where right now. You ought to have the capacity to locate the same download that I found. I ended up acquiring Siemens Signia HA's, so I haven't taken a gander at the Aventa programming much, however I simply checked, and the program opens promptly.

Fuzzy Originally Posted by RForbes

Along these lines, Bill. Did you discover any approach to utilize AmericaHears software engineer/links with different HAs? (for example, Oticon)

To the extent I can tell the product is just for AmericaHears (cherish that customary equalizer interface) and the interface is exclusive or for certain lower review helps and not the excellent ones much of the time examined here. At any rate it won't work with Oticon.

Fuzzy Does anybody know the record secret word for the most recent REsound Aventa programming download document so I don't need to call them this end of the week?

Or, then again conceivably access to the product without secret word?

Would someone be able to pm it to me?

naf123 Hi,

I am searching for a manual for self programming helps. I have looked all over. I have oticon dynamo from the NHS here and I need to self program it as I cant , and dont have sufficient energy to continue backpedaling and forward.

I can download the oticon genie programming from their site yet before I do as such,

1. Do I require a secret key?

2. Where would i be able to purchase the equipment hardware (I think its a neck piece which is remote and called FittingLink)

Much obliged for any guidance

RForbes Originally Posted by willym

I have the America hears helps w/software engineer. I now require new guides. Will the AH software engineer/leads be utilized with some other HA's?

TIA!

Bill

Along these lines, Bill. Did you discover any approach to utilize AmericaHears software engineer/links with different HAs? (for example, Oticon)

LightSaber99 Connexx 8 download to use with Siemens unadulterated and binax aids.http://www.filedropper.com/siemensco...ittingsoftware

Will require a HiPro setup or the ConnexLink interface.

mvboetzelaer No,

You will require the wired or remote association fitting your particular kind of HAs and have mark particular programming.

willym I have the America hears helps w/software engineer. I now require new guides. Will the AH software engineer/leads be utilized with whatever other HA's?

TIA!

Bill

daveyostrow Hi, im hoping to program a HA for my father. I am sufficiently clever to learn however it appears to be difficult to discover programming to try and begin. My principle question is: do the remote i110/i90 starkey helps require a link or would they be able to be modified remotely?

Chris66 Hi,

As of now I have Phonak Audeo S portable amplifiers which I customized my self and experienced I made a superior showing with regards to then my audie. Music is greatly improved and expanded volume without mutilation.

In a couple of couple of weeks I get new portable amplifiers which will most likely be the Widex Unique.

Before I choose to get them I need to get the product and equipment so I will likewise ready to modify them.

So far I had no fortunes finding a download connect for the Widex Compass GPS programming.

I trust somebody can help me with it.

Kind respects, Chris

sti8 i'm "truefited" -

sti8 hello,

i'm sti from germany. i'm really utilizing my "old" guides gn resonate air once more, cause my fresher unitron moxi don't fit even they were customized by "profensionals" a few times..

unfortunatally the resonates are now and again not sufficiently uproarious and theres no probability to set the volume up like the moxi permits to.

to help my self i baught an icube however without the unitron truefit programming i'm not ready to modify my moxi helps.

i'd be extremely happy on the off chance that somebody here could help me and disclose to me a connection to download truefit. the connections in the more seasoned posts of this string are dead.

much appreciated and welcomes

sti

pvc Bump...so that amateurs can post here rather than the tooth pixie string.

pvc Originally Posted by dumbhere

My inconvenience living in residential area, no nearby will touch anything besides mark they offer. Had 2007 Sienems Intuis Dir. Presently have Siemens Intuis Dir Sp Pro 4 chanel, just 1 channel working. nobody to reconstruct. I might want to DIY. Can't discover what I require: programming, equipment, links , and so forth. Would you be able to offer assistance?

Sound done by HNT

- 250 - 500 - 1k - 2k - 4k - 8k

L.- 60 - 60 - 50 - 60 - 55 - 75/PTA 57 dB/SRT 65 dB/44% 95 dB

R.- 50 - 55 - 65 - 65 - 75 - 80/PTA 62 dB/SRT 65 dB/48% 95 dB

Live voice List utilized NU-6 A&B

Snap a few connections...

Interactive connections in next 2 lines:> Self-Programming-Help, Free-Fitting-Software

My Wife's Audiogram,w/AudeoQ My Audiogram,w/Alta, Agil, Epoq, AudeoYes, Live, Chili

dumbhere Originally Posted by platypus

I'm upbeat to oblige when I can. Albeit every one of the ones I have were downloaded for nothing off the web.

Phonak Target 3.0

Oticon Genie 2013.1

Resonate Aventa 3.4

Sonic Innovations ExpressFit V2012.1

My inconvenience living in residential community, no nearby will touch anything other than mark they offer. Had 2007 Sienems Intuis Dir. Presently have Siemens Intuis Dir Sp Pro 4 chanel, just 1 channel working. nobody to reconstruct. I might want to DIY. Can't discover what I require: programming, equipment, links , and so forth. Would you be able to offer assistance?

Sound done by HNT

- 250 - 500 - 1k - 2k - 4k - 8k

L.- 60 - 60 - 50 - 60 - 55 - 75/PTA 57 dB/SRT 65 dB/44% 95 dB

R.- 50 - 55 - 65 - 65 - 75 - 80/PTA 62 dB/SRT 65 dB/48% 95 dB

Live voice List utilized NU-6 A&B

pvc New rendition Oticon Genie 2015.1 fitting programming accessible to help the new Alta2/Alta2pro, Nera2/Nera2pro, Ria2/Ria2pro and different tinnitus gadgets presented by Oticon in the main portion of 2015.

In the event that you require this new form (you likely needn't bother with it) at that point Genie Updater can take you from Genie 2014.2 to Genie 2015.1.

Genie Updater is in your Windows framework plate. It runs each time you begin your PC. Unless you got distrustful and uninstalled Genie Updater through Start/Control Panel/Programs and Features (highlighted Genie updater then clicked Uninstall).

On the off chance that you did uninstall Genie Updater and you never again have it, at that point you can re-introduce Genie 2014.2 and introduce only the Genie Updater device.

Here's a connection to an outline of...

>> New components and updates in Genie 2015.1 <<

JeffBowser Seems like Widex has now put their product behind a login.

pvc Originally Posted by pvc

Alright, here's a report on this genuine living/continuous case of owning listening devices without advantage of a guarantee. I purchased another Oticon Chili for $320. This one is a Chili SP9 which has numerous a greater number of components than the SP5. We cannot utilize a portion of the additional components (as of right now) since it will be matched with a Chili SP5. Later on we may get another SP9 and offer the SP5. Or, on the other hand we may get another SP5 and offer the SP9.

Back to my fundamental point... I like to burn through $320 for a substitution listening device as opposed to burning through thousands for a guarantee.

Yes got another SP9 for a couple of SP9s and will offer the single SP5.

pvc Originally Posted by pvc

Well how about we take a genuine living/ongoing case without the guarantee...

I have an Oticon Chili SP5 that I obtained utilized as a solitary portable amplifier (HA) for roughly $200. I combined this with another Oticon Chili SP5 that I acquired as a solitary utilized HA for around $300. So I paid about $500 for the match.

Presently the $200 HA need repair. It was bountifully sweated upon, and now when you turn it on it plays the start-up tunes for a couple of moments and after that close down.

I took it to a nearby audi who said it's an inside issue and needs to backpedal to the industrial facility. I would prefer not to send it back to the industrial facility/Oticon. That would cost at least $300.

So today I have bundled it up and sent it out to a repair lab. I utilize EarMax Lab which I have utilized before to repair my better half's HAs. It will cost $100 for repair in addition to $6 return shipping. The Lab is shut for excursion for the primary portion of November so I likely won't know the outcomes until the finish of this current month.

I will fill you in as to whether the repair goes well. On the off chance that yes then my inclination is to pay $100 for repair instead of pay thousands for a guarantee. In any case, that is simply me. Perhaps you lean toward the solace of a guarantee.

Alright, here's a report on this genuine living/continuous case of owning portable amplifiers without advantage of a guarantee. I purchased another Oticon Chili for $320. This one is a Chili SP9 which has numerous a larger number of elements than the SP5. We cannot utilize a portion of the additional components (as of right now) since it will be matched with a Chili SP5. Later on we may get another SP9 and offer the SP5. Or, on the other hand we may get another SP5 and offer the SP9.

Back to my fundamental point... I want to burn through $320 for a substitution listening device as opposed to burning through thousands for a guarantee.

Markismus Bernafon's Oasis v20 is accessible for download on their site: http://www.bernafon.nl/Professionals..._Download.aspx

pvc Originally Posted by pvc

The portable hearing assistant was come back to me from the Lab alongside my check. It is unrepairable because of deficient DSP processor. Presently I will be hoping to purchase another, or get this repaired at the processing plant/Oticon.

Getting a purchased as-utilized listening device (HA) repaired at the Oticon processing plant is not precisely clear...

To begin with the HA must be enlisted in your name with Oticon. For that to happen, your neighborhood Audi presents a shape (alongside the repair) asking for the gadget be re-renovated for fitting as an utilized item. At that point it can be repaired at the manufacturing plant. After repair your nearby Audi will need to re-program the HA for you. You might have the capacity to consult with your Audi to avoid this progression in the event that you plan to do your own particular re-programming, generally get ready for extra $$ to re-programming the HA. A gauge from my nearby Audi was $389 for manufacturing plant repair. That is more than I paid so I will be hoping to purchase another utilized HA.

pvc Originally Posted by pvc

I will fill you in regarding whether the repair goes well. On the off chance that yes then my inclination is to pay $100 for repair as opposed to pay thousands for a guarantee. Yet, that is simply me. Possibly you incline toward the solace of a guarantee.

The portable amplifier was come back to me from the Lab alongside my check. It is unrepairable because of damaged DSP processor. Presently I will be hoping to purchase another, or get this repaired at the industrial facility/Oticon.

pvc Originally Posted by shamukicks

That is my point. I like the possibility of a 5 year guarantee.

Well we should take a genuine living/constant case without the guarantee...

I have an Oticon Chili SP5 that I bought utilized as a solitary portable hearing assistant (HA) for around $200. I combined this with another Oticon Chili SP5 that I acquired as a solitary utilized HA for around $300. So I paid about $500 for the match.

Presently the $200 HA need repair. It was bountifully sweated upon, and now when you turn it on it plays the start-up tunes for a couple of moments and afterward close down.

I took it to a nearby audi who said it's an interior issue and needs to backpedal to the industrial facility. I would prefer not to send it back to the manufacturing plant/Oticon. That would cost at least $300.

So today I have bundled it up and sent it out to a repair lab. I utilize EarMax Lab which I have utilized before to repair my significant other's HAs. It will cost $100 for repair in addition to $6 return shipping. The Lab is shut for excursion for the principal half of November so I likely won't know the outcomes until the finish of this current month.

I will fill you in as to whether the repair goes well. On the off chance that yes then my inclination is to pay $100 for repair as opposed to pay thousands for a guarantee. Yet, that is simply me. Possibly you incline toward the solace of a warranty.DSCF0003_zpsbfdb7852.jpg

shamukicks That's my point. I like the possibility of a 5 year guarantee.- - Updated -

That is my point. I like the possibility of a 5 year guarantee.

pvc Originally Posted by shamukicks

In the event that I don't need to spend the 5-6k for them and can make my own changes, it would appear that a decent choice. They said I can broaden their standard 3-year guarantee up to 5 years. what sort of guarantee do the utilized brand names have and what are the expenses?

30 seconds or thirty feet. Whichever happens first. J/K But, in the event that you need a guarantee you should purchase retail. On the off chance that you purchase utilized online then you ought to figure out how to utilize, and depend on your Visa chargeback rights. The cost differs.

shamukicks If I don't need to spend the 5-6k for them and can make my own particular changes, it would appear that a decent alternative. They said I can expand their typical 3-year guarantee up to 5 years. what sort of guarantee do the utilized brand names have and what are the expenses?

pvc Originally Posted by shamukicks

Has anybody taken a gander at the Clearflex choice? It would seem that you can program and make the modifications yourself.

I get a kick out of the chance to stay with the significant brands (Oticon, Phonak, GN ReSound) getting them utilized at around 25% of retail esteem. I haven't attempted Siemens yet. I think I have settled on Oticon and Phonak, and of late Oticon as it were.

pvc Originally Posted by doubledown

On the off chance that the issue is getting it on the web I would prescribe you compress or rar it up utilizing winrar (You can utilize the pressure alternative "STORE" to keep it from packing the document so it will go speedier) at that point do one of the accompanying:

1) put out a downpour utilizing utorrent and afterward furnish us with the "Magnet URI" for it or you can make a *.torrent record (drag the recently made deluge to your desktop and after that see step 2 to make the *.torrent document accessible to us)

2) drive.google.com (15 GB constraint) simply duplicate glue it to the site and make it accessible to us by means of a connection

In the event that any other individual have whatever other simple approach to make expansive record set accessible please post. much appreciated

That is a decent approach to put your expansive documents on the Internet. The lawfulness of putting another person's vast records (for instance documents that have a place with a producer) on the Internet appears to be flawed (no doubt). My own sentiment... I would not post a producer's records on the Internet.

Sorry to learn a killjoy doubledown

doubledown If the issue is getting things on the web I would suggest you compress or rar it up utilizing winrar (You can utilize the pressure choice "STORE" to keep it from compacting the document so it will go quicker) at that point do one of the accompanying:

1) put out a deluge utilizing utorrent (tap on "Make New Torrent"- >"Add File" (Zip or rar record you've recently made >"Create") and afterward do one of the accompanying:

_____a) give us the "Magnet URI" for it (right tap on recently made deluge and select "Make Magnet URI")

_____b) you can make a *.torrent document (drag the recently made deluge to your desktop and after that see step 2 to make the *.torrent record accessible to us. see choice 2 underneath)

2) drive.google.com (15 GB confinement) simply duplicate glue it to the site and make it accessible to us by means of a connection

_____a) "Make"- >"Folder"- >"Create"

_____b) tap on new overlap "New Folder"

_____c) drag new compress or rar records to "Drop documents here"

_____d) right tap on record at that point tap on "Offer"- >"Share"- >"Advanced"- >"Changed"- >select "On-Anyone with the connection". Another window with a connection you can share should fly up.

On the off chance that any other person have whatever other simple approach to make expansive document set accessible please post. much appreciated

doubledown Originally Posted by Sinus

I have the most recent rendition of Simens Connex 7.2.1, however I'm searching for Widex Compass GPS .. In the event that you have Widex Compass Gps programming I'am upbeat to exchange it.

On the off chance that widex closed off the download a year ago then some individual must have the establishment documents on their framework.

Sinus I have the most recent adaptation of Simens Connex 7.2.1, yet I'm searching for Widex Compass GPS .. On the off chance that you have Widex Compass Gps programming I'am upbeat to exchange it.

lapislat I haven't connection to 7.3 yet in the event that you need Siemens + sifit 7.2:

1-Download and introduce the connexx rexton 7.2:https://www.rexton-online.com/upgrad...xxUpgrades.asp

2-Download and introduce siemens connexx 7.0 + sifit from:https://docs.google.com/document/d/0B1qg...pycV9iYVk/alter

At that point you open Siemens connexx 7.0 and naturally will open connexx 7.2 with both databases (siemens sifit and rexton).

Shurup Hi there! I haven't been here in years yet have been sharing the Connexx 7.0.0.213 on my dropbox amid all that time. I thought I would drop by and check if there is a most recent variant accessible? On the off chance that anybody could give me a connection to 7.3.xxx I would truly appreciate. I tidied up my PC (a processing plant reset) and reinstalling everything from a scratch.

Much obliged ahead of time!

Sinus I am searching for the most recent form of Siemens CONNEXX (or if nothing else one good with windows 8).. The most recent form starting today is by all accounts v 7.3.0.1864 as indicated by this rundown. I would be extremely happy on the off chance that someone could connect or send me a PM with of the product.

Much thanks.

foxhunter Aventa 3.6 here: http://www.resound.com/professionals...ting-downloads - Updated -

Aventa 3.6 here:

http://www.resound.com/experts/fitting/fitting-downloads

Christal Originally Posted by tonheuv

Greetings,

I figured out how to download the Aventa 3.5 programming from Resound, however it requires a zip secret word I don't have.

Any assistance from the HA gathering?

Respects,

Ton

This one doesn't have secret word assurance.

aventa 3.5.0.238 https://drive.google.com/document/d/0B1q...it?usp=sharing

Christal Originally Posted by TxPres

I am likewise intrigued by SW to program Siemens Pure 7ml.

Not the most recent form but rather here is connexx 7.0 https://drive.google.com/document/d/0B1q...it?usp=sharing

blackabyss Siemens does not have any Connexx programming on their site. I saw DVD with Connexx on ebay, however it was with Hansafit database (Hansaton HA), not Sifit (Siemens HA).

grantb5 I think Connexx is free on the Siemens site, or if nothing else it used to be. I see them on eBay every so often too.- - Updated -

I think Connexx is free on the Siemens site, or if nothing else it used to be. I see them on eBay every so often too.

blackabyss Looking for programming (Connexx 7.2 and databases?) to change my siemens movement p micon 5mi. Tired of my audi, he can't modify HA the way I need so I chose to do it all alone

johnthebaptist1 Looking for the unitron programming download. the upper post did not react.

tonheuv Hi,

I figured out how to download the Aventa 3.5 programming from Resound, however it requires a zip watchword I don't have.

Any assistance from the HA discussion?

Respects,

Ton

TxPres I am likewise inspired by SW to program Siemens Pure 7ml.

I am in the need of HA's however with the high costs, need to have the capacity to change my own. On the off chance that I can't get the Siemens' SW, at that point I should take a gander at different brands with SW accessible to self alter. I attempted my sibling's Siemens out (we have almost indistinguishable hearing misfortune) and they worked extraordinary, so they are my first decision.

Any assistance would be valued. I don't think I have enough posts for a PM, yet have settings set so anybody can email me.

revirier Hi, anyone can send me a PM with information to get the sifit database that i have to selfprograming my siemens portable amplifiers?

I would be extremely apreciated

elijahlovejoy a great repair benefit which will ADJUST your guides to your audiogram: hearingguy1@gmail.com he charged me $35 per ear and made an exceptionally pleasant showing with regards to. Wear Krieger is in Minnesota, the capital of amplifiers in the USA. You have to send him your audiogram.

elijahlovejoy ADVICE to those reasoning of purchasing utilized: DO IT!

Unless you live in a residential area, and few do, you WILL have the capacity to get an Audi or Fitter to modify your new guide, given to you by your girl, to fit you. Never say "ebay".

Thinking pessimistically: lovejoy isn't right, you lose a bit.

likely case: you get a decent guide or two for < $1000.

What do you think?

I've discovered various individuals prepared to modify utilized guides, with cost from $1600 (at U of California, San Francisco) to $85 (from a person who offers on the web, and repairs helps).

This is NOT generally advanced science. On the off chance that you coarseness your teeth, you WILL (i trust) have the capacity to get a decent change in hearing.

remarks desperately asked

elijah

elijahlovejoy Originally Posted by shan

Ed, where did you hear that?

There are 2 distinct outlines of serial hello there experts?

2 sorts of HiPro:

old one, greater, has a serial yield, similar to that PC in your storage room. Can be utilized with a link which changes to USB, with most new PCs;

more up to date one, littler, utilizes USB to associate with the PC

there are thump offs from China, not certain how to advise, some say they work OK.

platypus Originally Posted by grantb5

It would be decent if the general population that have the product would contact those looking. By what other means would we say we are to spread the delight around?

I'm glad to oblige when I can. Albeit every one of the ones I have were downloaded for nothing off the web.

Phonak Target 3.0

Oticon Genie 2013.1

Reverberate Aventa 3.4

Sonic Innovations ExpressFit V2012.1

jbuy41 I discovered my concern. Ensure you are utilizing an invalid modem f/f link. I found that the one I had recently bought was a straight not an invalid. The old serial HiPro is working like a champ.

On account of all.

grantb5 It would be decent if the general population that have the product would contact those looking. By what other means would we say we are to spread the delight around?

wireman Originally Posted by jbuy41

Where are the specs for the HiPro serial link? Can't interface and perhaps that is the issue. Utilizing the FTDI chip and drivers however it doesnt illuminate the PC tx rx or won't perceive the container. Attempted all comm ports 1 to 4.

It should be an invalid modem link.

jbuy41 Where are the specs for the HiPro serial link? Can't interface and perhaps that is the issue. Utilizing the FTDI chip and drivers however it doesnt illuminate the PC tx rx or won't perceive the container. Attempted all comm ports 1 to 4.

Shurup Thanks platypus!

platypus Originally Posted by Shurup

eBay. Be that as it may, I'm not purchasing anything unless I discover the product first.

You may attempt Phillip at "bidbybid" of eBay acclaim - I trust he offers Siemens helps and generally can enable you to get setup with self programming too. Check my posting in the DIY segment - I went the Phonak course. I concur that the correct approach to this is to get the product first - alternate bits a more accessable.

Shurup eBay. Be that as it may, I'm not purchasing anything unless I discover the product first.

dryspin Originally Posted by Shurup

I at long last settled on a choice to simply ahead and get another match of the HAs. They will be Siemens Pure 7mi.

Because of all the sat around idly with my Audi and my present living circumstance, I'm not willing nor have sufficient energy to go to Audis any more extended so I'll be getting a developer to do the fitting myself. I officially found the place to get the guides and a developer so searching for the Connexx Software.

I was revealed to I'll require the latest adaptation of Connexx 6.5.x AND Connexx 7 (required for new Micon line). In the event that somebody could point me the correct way it would be incredibly refreshing!

I at present have the Micon Ace 5mi. I'm likewise extremely intrigued by having my own programing set up. Where did you discover the programing equipment?

Shurup I at long last settled on a choice to simply ahead and get another match of the HAs. They will be Siemens Pure 7mi.

Because of all the sat idle with my Audi and my present living circumstance, I'm not willing nor have room schedule-wise to go to Audis any more extended so I'll be getting a software engineer to do the fitting myself. I officially found the place to get the guides and a developer so searching for the Connexx Software.

I was revealed to I'll require the latest rendition of Connexx 6.5.x AND Connexx 7 (required for new Micon line). On the off chance that somebody could point me the correct way it would be extraordinarily refreshing!

Cune Has anybody had fortunes in acquiring Bernafon Oasis softwarE?

grantb5 Originally Posted by jbuy41

What connectors are working for USB to Serial ?

I have Win7 64bit and not having any fortunes interfacing.

Accepting you are attempting to attach to a serial Hi Pro, I prescribe one utilizing the FTDI chip. I got mine at Parallax, however they are generally accessible from an assortment of producers.

At that point you require the serial link that accompanied the HiPro in light of the fact that they utilize the inverse sexual orientation than one would expect for a gadget that snares to a PC. I don't know whether it only a sex changing link or an invalid modem link for sure.

jbuy41 What connectors are working for USB to Serial ?

I have Win7 64bit and not having any fortunes interfacing.

Krawutti Originally Posted by jbuy41

One manufactor would pitch to me on the off chance that I arrange 25 of each link.

I likewise require a link.

I think we schould purchase 25 pcs and offer these to similar costs just to the general population here in the gathering.

Lets open another string an ask, who likewise needs CS-44.

jbuy41 I saw on a Lloyds were offering them for $29. Gave them a ring and they said they pitch just to experts.

One manufactor would pitch to me in the event that I arrange 25 of each link.

You're correct. Endure it on Ebay. Purchased a HIPRO box (serial) a week ago.

platypus Originally Posted by jbuy41

Can not locate a sensible provider of Phonak links. $80 to $160 is a genuine sham. Would anyone be able to help me?

On the off chance that it improves you feel any - that is the thing that I paid for my match. What's more, I concur it is a sham however it is a dealer's market. The most ideal way I can support it is that the majority of us have possessed the capacity to discover the product for nothing, so in the event that we need to self program, we need to acknowledge the cold hard facts on the equipment.

Your exclusive other decision is to endure it on eBay and check whether some fly up there.

jbuy41 Can not locate a sensible provider of Phonak links. $80 to $160 is a genuine sham. Would anyone be able to help me?

Krawutti Originally Posted by Krawutti

Presently I recently understood that every one of the posts discussing connexx download are old and that the product is not accessible for download any longer.

Would anyone be able to please help with me with the product? Would anyone be able to send me a PM?

Much appreciated, a pleasant part gave me a connection.

Its a decent group here.

Pleasant individuals with all the same problem....

foxhunter sw here: http://www.thehearingcompany.com/

grantb5 I have gained an entire box of links and CD's that I will experience when I get time. It's only a muddle at the present time, so I have to distinguish what will be what. At that point I will auction what I needn't bother with. At any rate I PM'd you.

Krawutti After perusing that Hi-Pro box can program listening devices, I purchased a serial port variant with a few links on ebay.

Phonak works, since i could download the sw

Presently I recently understood that every one of the posts discussing connexx download are old and that the product is not accessible for download any longer.

Would anyone be able to please help with me with the product? Would anyone be able to send me a PM? Much obliged

The listening devices that I might want to program is a siemens unadulterated 700

platypus Follow directions contained in this string. http://www.hearingaidforums.com/show...3301#post93301

rasmus_braun Anyone have the Phonak Target 2.1 to 2.1.1 fix record? PM me please. Much appreciated.

grantb5 Originally Posted by pnalaba

Additionally, I purchased a couple of siemens movement 100p amplifiers on ebay. I don't discover a CS44 sort plug on it. I see 4 sticks over the battery opening (please observe pic). Does this need a flex link? Where would i be able to purchase a couple of those? I sought on the web and everything I could discover was wholesalers from China on alibaba.com

I have a little box of links I have to deal with. I don't have the foggiest idea about what's in it and some of them may be difficult to distinguish, however I will post data here or put them on eBay once I'm sorted.

rasmus_braun Does anybody know where I can download Phonak Target 2.1 or later? I needn't bother with the full DVDs, only a thin form to do some snappy changes. A debt of gratitude is in order for your assistance.

pnalaba I am so happy I joined this discussion, individuals here are extremely kind. I approach connexx programming and sifit database now.

pnalaba Thanks for the pointers machineghost. I didn't realize that different brands additionally utilize siemens programming. I found a connection for fitting programming for hansaton. The bundle introduced connexx 6.4. I require siemens database now. On the off chance that anybody has the database, would you be able to please help me.

Likewise, I purchased a couple of siemens movement 100p listening devices on ebay. I don't discover a CS44 sort plug on it. I see 4 sticks over the battery space (please observe pic). Does this need a flex link? Where would i be able to purchase a couple of those? I looked on the web and everything I could discover was wholesalers from China on alibaba.com

MachineGhost What spoiled planning! A day or two prior, I just erased all the fit programming I had aside from the two I required.

The Siemens fitting programming is accessible to download from a non-USA website of one of the member brands of Siemens. I think it was in Brazil. It won't have the database for Siemens helps, so you'll need to get that from one of the individuals on here as I did.

pnalaba I am new to this gathering. Joined here with a specific end goal to find out about programming listening devices. My 2 sisters have had serious hearing misfortune from birth, and now my grandma likewise has hearing misfortune - they live in India and the audiologists over yonder are extremely prohibitive. They just help siemens portable amplifiers, which must be requested from them. The modifications are additionally not done corrently more often than not and whenever the hearings helps should be overhauled, they should be sent to an alternate city and it takes a while for the repair. I have chosen to purchase utilized portable amplifiers on ebay and might want to have them accessible to my family as extra sets. In the wake of perusing on the web that Hi-Pro box can program amplifiers, I purchased a serial port form with a few links on ebay for $325. Not certain if those are the correct links, but rather I am enthusiastically sitting tight for the crate to land via the post office. Presently I recently understood that every one of the posts discussing connexx download are old and that the product is not accessible for download any longer. Would anyone be able to please help with me with the product? The listening devices that I might want to program are siemens movement 100p (BTE), siemens cielo 2 (CIC) and siemens nitro 300 (BTE). Much appreciated.

mikele Thanks for the connections, in any case, where would i be able to discover Genie in Spanish?.

Much appreciated

codimes any one has desert spring standlone for bernafon ?

i claim a compact disc which is for HIMSA as module additionally doesnt chip away at 64bit.

v255666 sorry here have oticon client and watchword found

client: oticon

secret key: oticon

support.oticon.ca

for download genie new englisch...

work fine

a debt of gratitude is in order for the site.

Erezbenson i think Siemens one is the best programming. It is an awesome Siemens hearing instruments and intended to surpass the impediments of traditional hearing instrument data transfer capacities.

v255666 thanks for the fitting programming

pvc Originally Posted by iceman0486

Or, then again . . . you know . . . "Following the law first!"

What law? These is no law in regards to boycotting this pos Phonak item.

iceman0486 Originally Posted by pvc

Stick and stones... Phonak's trademark ought to be AUDIOLOGISTS FIRST

Or, then again . . . you know . . . "Following the law first!"

Don The thing is, we portable amplifier wearers are not by any means the makers clients. They can't legitimately pitch to us or give any hands on help specifically or they would be honing, and afterward should have a permit to hone. When you are in the audiologists office they would be happy to offer assistance. The experts are their genuine clients.

pvc Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

That remark discloses to us path more about your preferably novel perspective of the world than it does about Phonak.

Stick and stones... Phonak's trademark ought to be AUDIOLOGISTS FIRST

EnglishDispenser Makes one think about whether Phonak did this purposefully?

That remark reveals to us path more about your preferably novel perspective of the world than it does about Phonak.

pvc Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

pvc,

On the off chance that you are 100% certain that you are correct then just to make certain please email Phonak/whoever enquiring in the event that you are authorized to utilize their product.

If it's not too much trouble might you be able to post their reaction here.

Much obliged.

We (my better half and I) are never again inspired by utilizing Phonak items. The remote interchanges tends to stall out when programming with the iCube. At that point it takes a Hi-Pro and links association with get the remote interchanges unstuck. Makes one think about whether Phonak did this purposefully?

The sort of links required are CS44A Phonak links. The Phonak link is practically the same as a standard CS44 link aside from pins 3&4 are switched. Once more, makes one ask why Phonak did this?

In the event that you don't have the CS44A Phonak links then you can utilize standard CS44 links alongside DIY CS44A converter links. To discover how to make an arrangement of DIY converter links simply Google CS44A. Proceed attempt the Google seek. Think about what comes up as the principal interface? This comes up first - > My-Project-For-A-DIY-CS44A-Phonak-programming-link

EnglishDispenser pvc,

In the event that you are 100% certain that you are correct then just to make certain please email Phonak/whoever enquiring on the off chance that you are authorized to utilize their product.

If it's not too much trouble might you be able to post their reaction here.

Much obliged.

pvc Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

pvc,"Do you trust that you are the target group for this product?"

What? I can't hear you! Gracious, I mean Yes.

Initially Posted by EnglishDispenser

pvc,"Is this product particularly given to End Users ... or, on the other hand did you need to discover it through unconventional means?

I thought that it was appropriate here in this string. I just tapped the connection.

Initially Posted by EnglishDispenser

pvc,"Was this product given on an 'Expert Audiologists' segment of a site? assuming this is the case, would you say you are an 'Expert Audiologist'?

I just tapped the connection man. It said Client Systems Support. It didn't say anything in regards to proficient audiologists. It said PEOPLE FIRST and I'm a man.

Initially Posted by EnglishDispenser

pvc,"Are you professionally met all requirements to utilize this product?"

Yes. I have loads of involvement with programming and I have bunches of involvement with hearing.

Don Originally Posted by pvc

A debt of gratitude is in order for your post Don. Be that as it may, I trust I do claim an authorized duplicate.

As a matter of first importance, I don't see anything in composing saying that I am avoided. Isn't that right?

Second, what is the distinction between my snap concurrence with the producer, and the snap understanding between audiologist/maker? Does the audiologist have an assention that is more particular than the understanding that I have? I think not. I think they are the same and I think they are clear.

In the event that the product was accessible just on the expert area of the site that would be sufficient to reject non-professionals from programming permitting.

Be that as it may, once more, I don't think any maker will arraign one of their end clients for utilizing the product to alter their own portable hearing assistants.

EnglishDispenser pvc,

You truly don't 'get it'. You are just observing what you need to see.

Fine, if makes you glad and lifts the blame from your shoulders.

Be that as it may if this at any point presented a court defense (which obviously it won't) at that point you would be solicited parcels from frightful inquiries.

For instance: "Do you trust that you are the target group for this software?""Is this product particularly given to End Users ... or, on the other hand did you need to discover it by means of unconventional means?""Was this product given on an 'Expert Audiologists' area of a site? assuming this is the case, would you say you are an 'Expert Audiologist'?"Are you professionally met all requirements to utilize this product?"

I don't know whether you have ever been in a court case - yet I have. It's not a fun encounter. No measure of "There wasn't a notice barring me." will get you free.

I concur with different blurbs that you have a zero possibility of being indicted ... be that as it may, somewhere down in your spirit you realize that you have no privilege to utilize that product.

No measure of nit picking about programming permit wording changes the way that the product is not expected to be utilized by you.

pvc Originally Posted by Don

The meaning of this may fluctuate from nation to nation, yet I don't think it is authorized to you unless the copyright holder makes some move to permit you. I don't think they will issue a permit to an amplifier purchaser as a result of legitimate issues in the event that you victory you're hearing utilizing their product.

So despite the fact that the likelyhood of being arraigned is low (as long as you are the end client and are utilizing it to alter your own portable hearing assistants, which you paid for), I don't think there is any way you can state you claim an authorized duplicate, regardless of the possibility that they post the product on a site and don't require a key.

Much obliged for your post Don. However, I trust I do possess an authorized duplicate.

As a matter of first importance, I don't see anything in composing saying that I am prohibited. Isn't that right?

Second, what is the contrast between my snap concurrence with the maker, and the snap assention between audiologist/producer? Does the audiologist have an assention that is more particular than the understanding that I have? I think not. I think they are the same and I think they are clear.

Don The meaning of this may fluctuate from nation to nation, yet I don't think it is authorized to you unless the copyright holder makes some move to permit you. I don't think they will issue a permit to an amplifier shopper due to legitimate issues in the event that you victory you're hearing utilizing their product.

So despite the fact that the likelyhood of being arraigned is low (as long as you are the end client and are utilizing it to modify your own particular amplifiers, which you paid for), I don't think there is any way you can state you possess an authorized duplicate, regardless of the possibility that they post the product on a site and don't require a key.

pvc I can legitimately utilize the fitting programming. I have precisely the same permit/understanding that you have.

Here's a photo of it (with an invented business named HA-Manufacturer)...

EnglishDispenser I know (that you know) that I can legitimately the utilization fitting programming. In any case, you will never let it out.

... in any case, you can't legitimately utilize the fitting programming ... or, then again whatever other programming so far as that is concerned ... without express consent.

Accept what you like, however the law is the law.

It applies to all inventive yield : music, verse, drawings, programming.

On the off chance that you live in an option universe, fine ... in any case, in this universe you can't lawfully utilize unlicensed programming ... counting fitting programming.

That is it. That is the law. You have been told. Your option insights and feelings are immaterial. Nothing more to state.

pvc Now on the off chance that we need to discuss how this gathering is turning into a shopping center or bazaar for illicit programming exchanging...

Well that is quite recently not honest. Is it? Whoever put forth that expression is not being honest. This discussion is no place near a shopping center or bazaar for illicit programming exchanging. It is definitely not. That is basically not genuine. It's not valid.

In the event that anybody has proof of that at that point please bring up out. Generally quit posting such drivel.

pvc Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

[sigh] There doesn't should be any record.

Copyright security is programmed - no reports required.

Why not perused up on Copyright law before posting assessments surrounded as reality on gatherings?

I wasn't discussing Copyright law when I requesting that you bring up a report. I know (that you know) that I can legitimately the utilization fitting programming. Be that as it may, you will never let it be known.

EnglishDispenser I'll wager you can't point to one. You know why? There is none. Not one. Zero, Zip, Nada.

[sigh] There doesn't should be any archive.

Copyright assurance is programmed - no reports required.

Why not perused up on Copyright law before posting suppositions encircled as actuality on discussions?

pvc Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

I have invested years taking a shot at programming protected innovation incorporating working with lawful groups over the world on the subject as well..

Well at that point, you would say you should know about one archive that states it’s illicit for a client (an end-client, me) to utilize the fitting programming.

I'll wager you can't point to one. You know why? There is none. Not one. Zero, Zip, Nada.

pvc Originally Posted by MinnesotaHIS

EnglishDispenser was simply offering a cordial update since it's anything but difficult to cross paths with copyright law without meaning to do anything illicit; no compelling reason to get angry over it!

It's by and large illicit to make and disperse duplicates of ANY copyrighted material without the unequivocal consent of the copyright holder...

Nobody here is making and circulating duplicates of copyrighted material that I think about. I trust that you should essentially be taking EnglishDispenser's statement about this, and rehashing this doctrine.

In the event that you are accomplishing an option that is other than rehashing Dogma at that point demonstrate to me a case of what truly matters to you. It's a straightforward demand, isn't that so?

EnglishDispenser Oh, I think I see now. You are posting these false remarks with the goal that clients will be frightened into paying thousands in overhead expenses to an Audi for giving access to fitting programming. Is that your motivation for posting this hogwash?

I have invested years dealing with programming protected innovation incorporating working with lawful groups over the world on the theme as well.

What's more, your IP encounter is what precisely?

There is no feeling in the lawful circumstance including utilization of programming.

As said in earlier posts simply saying or needing to have lawful rights to programming doesn't make it so.

MinnesotaHIS Originally Posted by pvc

Disclose to me where in the hell do both of you Bobbies see confirmation of this illicit movement that you are depicting? Huh? Demonstrate to me where you see that somebody is sending duplicates of programming (lawful or illicit)? Demonstrate to me where you see somebody offering programming?

Possibly I have missed something? However, I think not. A more probable situation is that you never let actualities impede your creative ability.

And keeping in mind that we are regarding this matter, demonstrate to me a record that states it’s unlawful for a client to utilize the fitting programming. The License Agreement for fitting programming commonly says: IMPORTANT: Please know that the first programming is copyright secured and as an outcome it is illicit to tweak, repackage or figure out the first programming. We have no goal to modify, repackage or figure out the first programming.

Goodness, I think I see now. You are posting these false remarks with the goal that clients will be terrified into paying thousands in overhead expenses to an Audi for giving access to fitting programming. Is that your motivation for posting this gibberish?

EnglishDispenser was simply offering a benevolent update since it's anything but difficult to cross paths with copyright law without planning to do anything unlawful; no compelling reason to get mad over it!

It's for the most part illicit to make and disperse duplicates of ANY copyrighted material without the unequivocal authorization of the copyright holder. For instance, if I somehow happened to record TV programs and give them away to my "companions" online I would be infringing upon the law (despite the fact that the material was "free" in any case and I was giving it away for nothing) UNLESS I had authorization from whoever claimed the rights to the show. In the event that I went further and began offering duplicates of the shows for $5 each (to take care of my expenses to deliver and transport the duplicates) you can wager I'd be getting legitimate dangers outrageously speedy!

Because portable hearing assistant makers pick not to charge cash for their product doesn't mean they don't hold the rights to control how it is appropriated and that you lawfully require their consent BEFORE you circumvent making duplicates for other individuals. I'm additionally almost certain most would question anyone offering duplicates of their product, regardless of the possibility that it were at a low value that "simply secured dispatching."

I'm by and by thoughtful to well informed clients who need to play around with portable amplifier programming. I think I'd most likely need to do it excessively it on the off chance that I were in your shoes. All things considered, I won't actually give duplicates of programming (wouldn't have any desire to hazard the potential legitimate inconvenience that may bring) or give any specialized help on the best way to utilize the product (pushing the "autofit" catch is simple, however appropriately changing from that point requires a decent lot of specific information to be done ideally).

cdarney Originally Posted by pvc

To cdarney: I not certain if this is still valid. However, when we openly post the wellspring of an asset then that asset has a propensity for vanishing. I recommend posting just that it's accessible and afterward let ppl email you for the source.

Recognized.

Will do as such later on.

pvc RE Genie 2012 - amid setup I would un-check the container for Genie Updater which runs noiselessly out of sight and checks for refreshes.

pvc Originally Posted by cdarney

Oticon Genie 2012.1 is currently accessible...

To cdarney: I not certain if this is still valid. Be that as it may, when we freely post the wellspring of an asset then that asset has a propensity for vanishing. I recommend posting just that it's accessible and afterward let ppl email you for the source.

pvc Originally Posted by Mick Shu

also, EnglishDispenser

“a shopping center for illicit programming trading”

“Leave that for your protection request to the judge and jury”

“I would be watchful my identity sending illicit duplicates of programming to especially in the event that you are charging for it”

Disclose to me where in the hell do both of you Bobbies see proof of this illicit action that you are portraying? Huh? Demonstrate to me where you see that somebody is sending duplicates of programming (lawful or unlawful)? Demonstrate to me where you see somebody offering programming?

Perhaps I have missed something? However, I think not. A more probable situation is that you never let actualities hinder your creative ability.

And keeping in mind that we are regarding this matter, demonstrate to me an archive that states it’s unlawful for a client to utilize the fitting programming. The License Agreement for fitting programming normally says: IMPORTANT: Please know that the first programming is copyright secured and as a result it is unlawful to modify, repackage or figure out the first programming. We have no goal to redo, repackage or figure out the first programming.

Goodness, I think I see now. You are posting these false remarks with the goal that clients will be frightened into paying thousands in overhead expenses to an Audi for giving access to fitting programming. Is that your motivation for posting this rubbish?

cdarney Oticon Genie 2012.1 is presently accessible on the US site at

Oticonusa.com/offer assistance

Mick Shu if the real players/brands are observing this gathering as some think.. I would be watchful my identity sending unlawful duplicates of programming to. especially in the event that you are charging for it. any individual who supposes they are mysterious on the web are just tricking themselves.

EnglishDispenser Hmm .... unmistakably regard for programming copyright isn't a solid point around here.

I don't know that this gathering ought to end up plainly a shopping center or bazaar for unlawful programming exchanging.

(Before hopping on me please perused up on copyright law first. Because you WANT something does NOT naturally make it lawful to get - regardless of the possibility that simple to do. No measure of defense changes the law. Leave that for your resistance request to the judge and jury.)

jaldridge Looking for TrueFit programming for the new Unitrons, if it's accessible legitimately. I have the required equipment.

pvc Originally Posted by psyron

I require a programming for my Oticon Delta's ... anybody know where I can discover one?

Possibly Oticon Genie? Try not to should be another variant ...

I just need to alter the qualities, needn't bother with whatever other components,

Much obliged

I will send you an email. In spite of the fact that I don't know whether Genie handles the Deltas?

Gracious, I get it handles Deltas. They are recorded in Family.

psyron I require a programming for my Oticon Delta's ... anybody know where I can discover one?

Perhaps Oticon Genie? Try not to should be another form ...

I just need to alter the qualities, needn't bother with whatever other elements,

Much obliged

nlewis I require the connection as well. I have looked widely on Google and none of the connections have it that I have found. Need it for a Centra S.

John G Can anyone help with Connexx V6.4 please?

I have to change my miniTek setting.

Much obliged

azureblue Still looking.......

Mario Siemens CONNEXX programming please?

hook-up Originally Posted by SiR_hC

in the event that you haven't discovered Aventa 3 yet, you can download it here www . gnresound. com. au/experts/ResoundFitting/fitting-downloads. aspx

Much appreciated SiR hC

SiR_hC Anyone knows where to discover siemens and starkey fitting programming?

SiR_hC Originally Posted by connect

Hey All

I am searching for the aventa3 programming, it appears that the connection one page one doesn't work, does anybody know where I can download resonates programming, or get it from some place on the web

Gotta say this site is great for Knowledge and Help, keep it up everybody

in the event that you haven't discovered Aventa 3 yet, you can download it here www . gnresound. com. au/experts/ResoundFitting/fitting-downloads. aspx

pvc Originally Posted by leapinglanny

Whenever govt. gets included, at that point you will see some truly major issues with costs. Have you at any point seen a govt. foundation get included with business and after that the costs drop for all time? I didnt think so.

What does the govt. need to do with aiding or frustrating us from getting the producer's fitting programming??? I don't get it.

leapinglanny When govt. gets included, at that point you will see some truly major issues with costs. Have you at any point seen a govt. foundation get included with business and after that the costs drop for all time? I didnt think so.

pvc ETA... A debt of gratitude is in order for erasing the post with a connection to where to download programming and posing particular inquiries about how to fulfill the download.

sit tight for an accommodating email, and after that alter your post (or erase it) so as not to ask such a particular inquiry. We have an issue with vanishing assets when they get examined in an open discussion.

pvc You can't get it. It's free. Be that as it may, not circulated to the overall population. Have a go at asking the seller where you get equipment (listening devices, Hi-Pros, links, boots. and so forth). Asking here never stings. Somebody who has 3.0 (I don't) may send you an email.

hook-up Hi All

I am searching for the aventa3 programming, it appears that the connection one page one doesn't work, does anybody know where I can download resonates programming, or get it from some place on the web

Gotta say this site is wonderful for Knowledge and Help, keep it up everybody

pvc Oh a while back somebody guaranteed to know where to download U:Fit.

Snap HERE and take a gander at the post that takes after...

pvc Originally Posted by Shirley

Greetings XBoulder,

What is the connection to download Unitron programming. I wouldn't know where to search for that.

See this post. Snap HERE

Goodness, and this connection for Unifit (yet you likely need Ufit), Click HERE

Shirley Originally Posted by xbulder

unitron has a connection to download its software....

Sonic Inn and magnatone has their fitting programming allowed to download

Howdy XBoulder,

What is the connection to download Unitron programming. I wouldn't know where to search for that.

Casey I simply discovered this string today, so have not perused each post in it. In any case, so far I have seen no reference to Siemens Connexxfit, which I purchased for $350. It incorporates all Bluetooth equipment and the Connexx 6.4.2 programming expected to program Siemens x01 arrangement helps. Mine are Pure 501 RIC and I have customized these HA with this setup. You additionally don't need to pay Audiologist costs for Siemens helps, as I purchased mine on ebay from bidbybid including the Tek remote, Charger/Dryer and an entire host of different things for $2600 add up to (now $2800). That made my Pure 501's about $1025 each, not the over $5000 cost at the audi office for simply the two guides.

shan Originally Posted by DrEd

Is it accurate to say that you are an audiologist or amplifier authority yourself? If not, you have positively no business programming your own portable hearing assistants. Individuals go to class and get proceeding with training to figure out how to do that effectively. I assume you crush your own particular glasses focal points and blend your own particular viagra. Or, on the other hand would you say you are quite recently so shoddy you want to arrange listening devices on the web and really get your cash's worth? For Pete's purpose, go to an expert. Internet listening device deals are unscrupulous and really unlawful in many states. They go after the shabby, the distrustful and the uneducated. Any more inquiries?

However, Ed I am searching for a couple of exelia expressions utilized, for under $1000. I am trusting after phinak turns out with another most recent. Would you be able to offer assistance?

bigbeck Originally Posted by jhp49

The proprietor and cheif help originator at America Hears is hearing impared and comprehends the battles of getting helps balanced accurately in the present producer fitter-customer deals display.

What's much more amazing is that he wears America Hears RIC helps. I met him about a month prior when I got my guides for benefit. In transit out, I ceased in his office for a little talk. Pleasant person.

forgoden someone got Inspire 2010.2 for fitting starkey?

i cannot discover the download sectionhttp://www.starkeypro.com/open/pro...g_software.jsp

jchunter Originally Posted by MatthewJones

,,. I'd get a kick out of the chance to see the product and listening devices from various makers so my choice is certainty based and not on the grounds that that is the thing that somebody is putting forth to me. I'd get a kick out of the chance to have the capacity to pick the guides in light of performancese I've perused about and in addition trials I've embraced. May be ideal (clearness) help win....

Appreciate..

Have you not yet looked at http://www.americahears.com/or http://www.hearsource.com/, and so forth? Download the modifying programming and attempt it.

MatthewJones Yes.. That is my list of things to get.. Be that as it may, I'd get a kick out of the chance to go Scuba making a plunge Bora and 100 different islands too! (another list of things to get).

The truth I'm attempting to get ready for is that I will be unable to burn through $4k in addition to and may need to agree to Costco..

In either case. I'd get a kick out of the chance to see the product and listening devices from various makers so my choice is truth based and not on account of that is the thing that somebody is putting forth to me. I'd get a kick out of the chance to have the capacity to pick the guides in view of performancese I've perused about and also trials I've attempted. May be ideal (lucidity) help win....

Appreciate..

NDev @Matthew - No Bernafon Software, however I was interested why you require it. Since your current and list of things to get both does not have Bernafon.

On the off chance that I frantically require Bernafon programming - I'll begin going to all adjacent Costo's and get to know the Audi there. Possibly he can give you a chance to duplicate or credit you something for 60 minutes. Only a thought.....

Also, it ought to be legitimate - since the HA and programming equipment/links cost cash. Organizations do circulate programming for nothing.

(I am not a lawful master, tread at your own particular hazard)

MatthewJones Has anybody at any point run over the Bernafon programming??

xbulder Originally Posted by ed121

Dr Ed

Once apon a period (1977), most hearing misfortune individuals (those more than 60yrs) were conceived before 1917. They were absolutely new to hardware and PCs were in those days creatures made by IBM. There were for all intents and purposes no shopper security laws or neighborhood customer insurance Agencies. Utilizing the then numerous scamers going after these individuals as a reason, some hearing experts prevailing with regards to geting the FDA (Not the FTC) to order portable amplifiers as Medical Devices.

This permitted neighborhood state halls to promolgate prohibitive laws limiting deals to just those authorized by the states. (Dodges Restraint of Trade arrangements of the USA Constitution).

Preceding 1977 most expert therapeutic associations considered offer of helps (stock) by genius Audiologists as UNETHICAL.

Today more HOH know about electronic gadgets and are PC proficient. Furthermore, the innovation has unfathomably changed. Self writing computer programs is pragmatic for most sorts of misfortune. (Consider unheard of options of the present plans).

There is no therapeutic or specialized explanation behind guides not to be sold over-the-counter in medicate stores and by the mass vendors. Helps would then cost $100 to perhaps $500 or thereabouts.

In any case, those with genuine misfortunes would in any case be in an ideal situation with a master exam. Simply my opinion....

Ed (not Dr Ed)

Fitting Binaurally was consider untrustworthy sometime in the distant past.. Men circumstances are different

jhp49 Originally Posted by DrEd

Is it accurate to say that you are an audiologist or listening device expert yourself? If not, you have definitely no business programming your own particular listening devices. Individuals go to class and get proceeding with instruction to figure out how to do that effectively. I assume you pound your own particular glasses focal points and blend your own viagra. Or, on the other hand would you say you are quite recently so shabby you want to arrange portable amplifiers on the web and really get your cash's worth? For Pete's purpose, go to an expert. Internet portable amplifier deals are untrustworthy and really illicit in many states. They go after the shoddy, the distrustful and the uneducated. Any more inquiries?

You are so off-base. The hearing impared can make changes in accordance with their own guides. Concentrate the America Hears demonstrate and their prosperity. As I would like to think they have a portion of the best audiologists around. They help customers in the programming of their own guides once a day. My mother has been utilizing their guides for more than 6 years and I do the programming with help from America Hears audiologists. The proprietor and cheif help planner at America Hears is hearing impared and comprehends the battles of getting helps balanced accurately in the present producer fitter-customer deals display. He began his model of manufacturing,sales,fitting and self-programming to enhance the experience for help clients. America Hears makers helps at their plant and builds up their guide modifying programming at their corporate home office. They fit and change helps at their block and morter area and additionally providing helps over the web.

My mother and I went to two of the best audiologist around the local area to check whether they had helps they offer and program which would enhance my mother's listening ability over her present America Hears helps customized by me. By the day's end, subsequent to attempting no less than 5 brands exclusively customized by the audiologists, they didn't have helps which enhanced her listening ability over her America Hears helps.

ed121 Dr Ed

Once apon a period (1977), most hearing misfortune individuals (those more than 60yrs) were conceived before 1917. They were absolutely new to gadgets and PCs were in those days beasts made by IBM. There were for all intents and purposes no shopper insurance laws or neighborhood purchaser security Agencies. Utilizing the then numerous scamers going after these individuals as a reason, some hearing experts prevailing with regards to geting the FDA (Not the FTC) to characterize listening devices as Medical Devices.

This permitted nearby state entryways to promolgate prohibitive laws confining deals to just those authorized by the states. (Goes around Restraint of Trade arrangements of the USA Constitution).

Before 1977 most expert restorative associations considered offer of helps (stock) by ace Audiologists as UNETHICAL.

Today more HOH know about electronic gadgets and are PC proficient. What's more, the innovation has limitlessly changed. Self writing computer programs is viable for most sorts of misfortune. (Realize totally new possibilities of the present plans).

There is no medicinal or specialized explanation behind guides not to be sold over-the-counter in sedate stores and by the mass dealers. Helps would then cost $100 to possibly $500 or something like that.

In any case, those with genuine misfortunes would in any case be in an ideal situation with a star exam. Simply my opinion....

Ed (not Dr Ed)

nosajld @DrED(iot) -

I know my ears superior to any other person on the planet. I realize that most of the little changes made to my HA can take me 2-5 days to test and find. For me to need to backpedal and forward to my AUD and get charged for fitting would be a balance of costly and irritating. I have greatly high regard for my AUD and even she concurs that while she may actually know alot about fitting and the gear it is utimately in my grasp as to on the off chance that it encourages me listen, feel and connect with my day by day condition.

pvc DrEd

I trust that my proceeding with instruction is more focused on and extraordinary than yours, and, my consideration regarding the patient's needs (my significant other's and mine) are far better than yours.

btw> Some us can recognize shabby items and top notch items that can be obtained without costly markups.

On the off chance that you tap on the connections in my mark line beneath you will see quality items that can be had in the $1000 to $1800 per match run.

TerryB DrEd

In the event that I am ready to secure the programming gear to run with the guides the VA will soon give (and the cost is sensible) I will get the hardware and do the tweaking. I have been modifying my CPAP treatment for a long time now and the changes and keeping observing have been crap crapped by the "experts" from the start. You may have a degree in the claim to fame, yet I have the faculties on the side effects and on the off chance that I can do it I will.

A debt of gratitude is in order for your worry

TerryB

arni For the individuals who need to find out about hearing and portable hearing assistants, I suggest two books:

The feeling of hearing - Plack

Portable hearing assistants - Dillon

arni Originally Posted by DrEd

Is it accurate to say that you are an audiologist or listening device expert yourself? If not, you have positively no business programming your own listening devices. Individuals go to class and get proceeding with instruction to figure out how to do that accurately. I assume you granulate your own particular glasses focal points and blend your own particular viagra. Or, on the other hand would you say you are quite recently so shabby you want to arrange amplifiers on the web and really get your cash's worth? For Pete's purpose, go to an expert. Internet portable amplifier deals are dishonest and really illicit in many states. They go after the shoddy, the neurotic and the uneducated. Any more inquiries?

Do you think most audiologists or portable amplifier gadgets are really ready to program listening devices effectively? The appropriate response is no, on the grounds that a large portion of them don't perform genuine ear estimations to check the fitting. Wouldn't you say that is dishonest?

NDev @DrEd - Was that a fire snare by any shot? Provided that this is true, looks like many will take it.

From where you come - do they have DIY sorts of human around for settling auto, home plumbing...If and when they do stuff this way, they know the dangers and claim it. Keep your stinky nose out of other's business.

Programming Hearing guides is not identical to Heart or Brain Surgery. Truth be told, in the event that you read the posts, huge amounts of individuals are more brilliant than you and I wager can calibrate their amplifiers much superior to you.

Why do you trust that all Audi's are similarly great - a few (like you) can be awful as well.

Individuals might be slanted to program their own HA because of following reasons:

A few people may not be great at communicating how the HA is acting. Likewise Audi may not Comprehend it accordingly.

Audi might need to see 10 clients every day - with constrained consideration. For HOH individual, this involves personal satisfaction, each moment of the day.

Its fun and test to do bleeding edge stuff yourself.

Feels great to be responsible for your conditions

A few people might be living in remote territories

Feels great to demonstrate thumbs to individuals like you

A few territories might be loaded with clumsy Audi resembles you. It's great to take pride in your calling - that is the means by which you turn out to be better. Be that as it may, on the off chance that you express your intensity by posting your first message as fire - Dude : Something more evil is tightened up your life and you discovered online gatherings to vent your dissatisfaction. I feel frustrated about you.

Check whether yoga can offer assistance. (tip - you can see it on the web and do it a home)

MatthewJones DrEd.. Wouldn't that be EarWax?? Rather than BeesWax??

Sorry - couldn't help it!!

DrEd Are you an audiologist or portable amplifier master yourself? If not, you have definitely no business programming your own portable amplifiers. Individuals go to class and get proceeding with training to figure out how to do that accurately. I assume you pound your own particular glasses focal points and blend your own particular viagra. Or, then again would you say you are quite recently so shabby you want to arrange portable amplifiers on the web and really get your cash's worth? For Pete's purpose, go to an expert. Web based portable amplifier deals are dishonest and really illicit in many states. They go after the shoddy, the neurotic and the uneducated. Any more inquiries?

MatthewJones I have a couple of Starkey Destiny 1200 CIC's which I'd love to have the capacity to change slightly more. Attempting to get into the audi is troublesome, best case scenario and she's more seasoned so doesn't see all the innovation accessible. Has anybody possessed the capacity to discover Starkey programming?

When I downloaded and reviwed the Phonak programming I resembled - What - Get outta here. There's so much you can do to enhance the fitting.

pvc Originally Posted by stream2525

PVC , please manage me on the best way to purchase an i-3D square or a greetings ace with a decent cost.

That is the thing that I thought I was doing stream.

Backpedal two or three pages in this string and read the posts. There is no set place to purchase iCubes. They travel every which way. Hunt Google, EBay, and Craigslist regularly. Utilize Craiglook to look Craigslist across the nation. They as a rule fetched about $400.

The Hi-Pro (or identical) is accessible on EBay. Look EBay for (USB Hi-Pro). The USB Hi-Pro cost fluctuates (as a rule between $600 or $700).

When you ask in these gatherings once in a while you will get help by means of email. Be set up to secure yourself when purchasing on the web by utilizing your Mastercard chargeback rights (if/when fundamental).

stream2525 Originally Posted by pvc

When I scan EBay for (USB Hi-Pro) I see some from Canada that says make an offer, and taking a gander at the individual input one sold for $575. Interesting thing, they all say utilized 2 weeks??

PVC , please direct me on the most proficient method to purchase an i-3D shape or a hey expert with a decent cost.

pvc Originally Posted by stream2525

Anyone know where I can discover an i-solid shape. hearingaidezperts declined to offer be i-solid shape until the point when I demonstrate to them my audiology authentications.

Anyone know where I can purchase hello star at a decent cost?

When I scan EBay for (USB Hi-Pro) I see some from Canada that says make an offer, and taking a gander at the individual input one sold for $575. Entertaining thing, they all say utilized 2 weeks??

stream2525 Anybody know where I can discover an i-3D shape. hearingaidezperts declined to offer be i-block until the point when I demonstrate to them my audiology testaments.

Anyone know where I can purchase greetings professional at a decent cost?

pvc Originally Posted by hamjor

There's more than one street to Rome and more than one approach to get an eBay question tended to. What worked in one debate may flop in the following on the grounds that there are numerous human factors, and these question get settled by various individuals who don't make a difference their own tenets reliably. Additionally, the principles themselves have escape clauses and have been in consistent flux over the previous decade.

It resembles going to court. When you think you have it made sense of alright to foresee a result, the following question demonstrates you off-base.

I totally concur with you. PayPal debate determination is exceptionally capricious for every one of the reasons you simply depicted. Then again, with Visa chargeback rights, the outcomes are exceptionally unsurprising. I have a 100% achievement record utilizing Mastercard chargeback rights.

Initially Posted by hamjor

Why begin with eBay and Paypal? My perusing of the accord judgment of continuous fliers on eBay's help discussions is that it merits attempting in the first place, and my own experience mirrors that. Generally (NOT for each situation), a purchaser will get the opportunity to be vindicated and win a sensible question, inside several days. Beginning with eBay and Paypal for debate additionally is a piece of their client understandings, which determine methods for questioning exchanges. Doing as such and losing doesn't by and large decrease your odds of winning a Mastercard organization chargeback later, insofar as you're cautious about due dates.

To me, a chargeback is a secret weapon, to be attempted when other more sensible methodologies have fizzled. Utilizing it as your first choice resembles angling by nuking a lake. It might work, yet it's pointless excess.

I should utilize PayPal debate determination since it is justified, despite all the trouble? I should utilize PayPal debate determination since it is a piece of the PayPal client understanding? I should utilize PayPal question determination since it a more sensible approach? I should utilize PayPal debate determination on the grounds that my activities are much the same as nuking lakes so as to go angling? That’s why?? Gimmea break. I was requesting a coherent reason.

btw> I trust you about not working for PayPal. It’s only hard for me to comprehend why you bolster their methodology with such energy. Additionally, welcome to the gatherings.

hamjor No, I don't and never worked for eBay, Paypal, a money related establishment, or a charge card organization, or even know any individual who has, with the exception of that I'm a long-term eBay merchant and purchaser and in this manner visit Paypal expense payer.

I question will go to a concession to the greater part of this. That is not generally conceivable; things aren't generally dark/white right/off-base. There's more than one street to Rome and more than one approach to get an eBay question tended to. What worked in one question may flop in the following in light of the fact that there are numerous human factors, and these debate get settled by a wide range of individuals who don't have any significant bearing their own guidelines reliably. Also, the tenets themselves have provisos and have been in steady flux over the previous decade.

It resembles going to court. When you think you have it made sense of all around ok to foresee a result, the following question demonstrates you off-base.

I concur with you about the clock running, for eBay, Paypal, and Mastercard chargeback debate. It's basic to give careful consideration to the logbook, especially with eBay/Paypal, whom I have never heard tell on the web making a special case to their due dates - truth be told, in the event that I review accurately, eBay never again even gives a purchaser access to the site page to open a debate on a specific buy, once the due date has passed. Here and there a Mastercard organization watches the due date to ask for a chargeback entirely and here and there utilizes prudence on it, so I've listened. It might rely on upon how essential that organization supposes it is to keep a specific client upbeat or different contemplations specific to that organization around then and outside the client's control. I wouldn't depend on it, however. In the event that you need the privilege to seek after a chargeback and the due date is close, ask for it now; don't give them the alternative to finish you off in light of the fact that you missed the due date.

Why begin with eBay and Paypal? My perusing of the agreement judgment of continuous fliers on eBay's help gatherings is that it merits attempting to begin with, and my own particular experience mirrors that. More often than (NOT for each situation), a purchaser will get the opportunity to be vindicated and win a sensible question, inside two or three days. Beginning with eBay and Paypal for question likewise is a piece of their client understandings, which determine methodology for debating exchanges. Doing as such and losing doesn't for the most part lessen your odds of winning a Visa organization chargeback later, insofar as you're watchful about due dates.

To me, a chargeback is a secret weapon, to be attempted when other more sensible methodologies have fizzled. Utilizing it as your first choice resembles angling by nuking a lake. It might work, however it's pointless excess.

pvc We ought to accomplish more than settle on a truce. We should attempt to elucidate this issue so that the HOH people group approaches more data.

The clock is ticking for as far as possible on both systems since you additionally have time impediments on your Mastercard chargeback rights. I trust that point of confinement is 60 days after the charge you are questioning initially appeared on your Mastercard bill, and, I would contend that you would not have any desire to risk surpassing this time restrict by sitting idle with utilizing the PayPal debate techniques first.

I don’t comprehend your contention for attempting the PayPal methods first??? I genuinely can't perceive any advantage for attempting PayPal systems first. In your mind what is the advantage of attempting PayPal techniques first? Maybe you could clarify the advantage all the more specifically/obviously.

I don't intend to insult you with this inquiry. Do you work for PayPal or EBay?

hamjor We'll need to consciously settle on a truce on quite a bit of this at that point, as despite everything I remain by what I posted also, and it mirrors my experience.

I prescribe that any individual who needs to consider their choices assist before continuing with an eBay question do as such via seeking and posting all alone help discussions, as you will get notification from others with broad experience as purchasers as well as sellers:http://forums.ebay.com/db2/gathering/Buy...nal/1000000015http://forums.ebay.com/db2/gathering/Seller-Central/143

For instance, here's a string that spreads quite a bit of this material, including (see post #4 of 23) what happens (vender frequently loses, presumably his thing and also the cash) when he declines to acknowledge the arrival shipment that Paypal advised the purchaser to make, and Delivery Confilmation sets up that fact):http://forums.ebay.com/db2/subject/Buy...#msg1007496310None of this works in each question, as pvc's involvement in that one specific return pvc made appeared. Similarly as with court cases, eBay debate and chargeback cases are incompletely a move of the dice. On the off chance that you lose with Paypal, and you utilized a Visa, regardless you have the privilege to seek after a chargeback and you will regularly (however not generally) win. Beginning with Paypal's methods does not decrease your odds of winning a chargeback.

pvc Originally Posted by hamjor

On the off chance that you are an eBay purchaser and are despondent with the nature of stock you get (or you purchase a thing you don't get by any stretch of the imagination!), it's essential to give careful consideration to Paypal's methodology and seek after your grievance Paypal's way, at any rate at first. The Mastercard chargeback law is an extraordinary thing to fall back on, however it ought not be your line of first protection. Paypal has been known to close records and boycott Paypal clients who essentially contact their Visa organization and document a chargeback without experiencing Paypal first. (What's more, this is not irrational, as I would like to think. These chargeback claims cost Paypal more cash than appropriately sought after question, so I don't point the finger at them for booting clients who initially grumble to their Mastercard organization.)

Apologies, I don’t trust this is valid. PayPal doesn’t boot you for utilizing rights given to you by State and Federal Law.

Initially Posted by hamjor

Know about that 45 day due date. The clock begins the day you paid and not when the dealer dispatched or when you got the thing. On the off chance that you start a debate 46 days after you paid, will lose your question with eBay on those grounds alone. A few merchants have been known to lead purchasers on with fake guarantees until the point that the due date slips, so don't give that a chance to happen.

Don’t squander your time with PayPal systems. A few people know how to diversion the PayPal strategies. PayPal requesting that I deliver a thing back to the dealer. I did (at my cost). He declined shipment and it returned to me. PayPal shut the question to support him. Arrrrgh!

Initially Posted by hamjor

Simply after there is no fruitful review given there should you consider doing a Visa chargeback. I additionally don't suggest bothering your charge card organization over a little sum, for example, $7.12. Eat those little misfortunes and credit them to involvement. You believe it's "the purpose of the thing?" Well the purpose of the thing is not to cost a bundle of other individuals a cluster of time (measures up to cash) over insignificant debate. Spare your fire for the huge ones..

Your Visa organization doesn’t think of it as a bother to help you with utilizing your rights given to you by State and Federal Law. Ask them! Don’t stress over how little the sum. Little sum, huge sum. There is no distinction. There is no punishment. There is no drawback. You don't need to squander anybody's chance. Open an online record with your Mastercard organization and document the debate effortlessly on the web. Truly, don’t squander your time with PayPal systems.

Initially Posted by hamjor

Two or three different focuses. A few venders add to their sale postings dialect, for example, "On the off chance that you don't pay me additional for discretionary protection, my duty closes when I send." BZZZZT! Apologies, Skippy, not the extent that eBay and Paypal are concerned. Venders are 100% in charge of getting the thing to the purchaser in the condition recorded. There's an expression on eBay: protection is for the security of the vender (not the purchaser). Merchants who need to safeguard their things for harm should pay for it. They can approach the purchaser to pay for protection, yet in the event that the purchaser passes and uses Paypal and pays with Visa, the vender typically conveys the danger of delivery harm and misfortune. What's more, protection will regularly not cover misfortune because of ineffectively pressed things; truth be told, that is the main thing will bearer will look at for to weasel of paying off a protection assert. Numerous novice venders pack delicate things thoughtlessly. They accept the hazard when they do that, regardless of the possibility that they pay for protection.

Additionally, ordinarily, in the event that you win a Paypal debate identified with a thing which is "altogether not as portrayed," you typically should restore the thing sent to you to the merchant before Paypal will restore your cash to you. This must regularly be done at your own cost, so be watchful about purchasing overwhelming things where the cost of transportation may make an arrival restrictive - absolutely more valid for coolers than of portable amplifiers. In the event that you restore a thing in a Paypal question, you should pay for and get Delivery Confirmation, and when the thing arrives, it would be advised to get through that the conveyance is affirmed. Else you may not recover your cash from Paypal.

I concur. This is solid counsel about protection and stuff.

Be that as it may

The dealer can simply deny shipment. At that point what? With Visa chargeback rights (contingent upon the debate reason) return shipment is not an essential for getting a discount. I generally utilize "NOT SATISFIED" as the question prevail upon American Express with a specific end goal to maintain a strategic distance from/take out the arrival shipment essential. In the event that it is a profitable thing then I transport it back AFTER I got my discount

Help yourself out on the off chance that you purchase on the web. Figure out how to utilize these rights given to you by State and Federal Law. The more you do it the less demanding it gets. Utilize the little sums for training, for instance when you purchase a $2 bit of non working garbage from Hong Kong. Try not to considerably trouble with return shipping in light of the fact that the merchant doesn't request return shipping. He is quite recently working the rates wagering the vast majority will simply forget about it.

hamjor Originally Posted by pvc

This is an endeavor to clarify Mastercard chargeback rights. It's genuinely direct in the event that you are a purchaser as it were. However, in the event that you purchase and offer then it’s more confounded. As a matter of first importance this applies to the United States (USA) as it were. Different nations may (or may not) have comparable insurance.

On the off chance that you purchase online you ought to consider ensuring yourself by utilizing Mastercard chargeback rights. What are Visa chargeback rights? They are given to you by state and government law. Basically in the event that you don’t get what you paid for, at that point you can record a question asking the charge card organization to recover your cash. Simply Google (Mastercard chargeback rights) for more definite data. Try not to be reluctant to utilize those rights.

Try not to put your trust in PayPal ensures. Comprehend and put your trust in Visa chargeback rights given to you by state and government law. Protect that a PayPal installment is 100% financed by means of a charge card and not through PayPal adjust, and not by means of your managing an account. You will lose your Mastercard chargeback rights with the last two financing strategies. In any case, this is not easy to do. You're subsidizing decisions will be troublesome and constrained by PayPal in the event that you purchase and offer with the same PayPal account.

I utilize isolate represents purchasing and pitching to get around the PayPal constraints on financing. I keep isolate email/Ebay/PayPal accounts, and, with a specific end goal to keep the email isolated for different records I utilize a Pop3 customer (Thunderbird) to consequently gather email from different email accounts. You should be watchful which account you logon with before purchasing, offering or notwithstanding reacting to email. I have turned out to be utilized to it.

Gracious, PayPal additionally has a dollar constraint. You can just purchase a couple of thousand worth on a Visa without associating with your keeping money account. So notwithstanding various records, you once in a while must be set up to supplant your purchaser account with new email/Ebay/PayPal accounts. Additionally you can't re-utilize a similar Visa number so you will likewise require another charge card, or your spouse’s Visa.

On the off chance that you pick not to have isolate accounts then PayPal will make your life hopeless until the point that you interface PayPal to your keeping money account. What's more, there goes your Mastercard chargeback rights out the window. Be careful with PayPal supplanting those rights with PayPal question systems in light of the fact that there are some who know how to "amusement" the PayPal debate strategies. This is not a rage against PayPal. It's recently valid.

One last tip about documenting a debate with your charge card organization. My charge card organization requires that the stock is come back to the vender with affirmation. However, just for certain question reasons. In the event that the debate reason is (Not happy with the stock) at that point return shipment is not an essential to recovering your cash. I generally pick (Not happy with the stock) just in the event that the merchant tries to “game” the debate methodology by declining to acknowledge return shipment.

This is great exhortation, in any case, as an eBay regular customer (both purchaser and merchant), let me tissue it out a tiny bit more.

On the off chance that you are an eBay purchaser and are troubled with the nature of stock you get (or you purchase a thing you don't get by any means!), it's imperative to give careful consideration to Paypal's strategies and seek after your grievance Paypal's way, at any rate at first. The Mastercard chargeback law is an awesome thing to fall back on, yet it ought not be your line of first barrier. Paypal has been known to close records and boycott Paypal clients who essentially contact their Visa organization and document a chargeback without experiencing Paypal first. (What's more, this is not irrational, as I would like to think. These chargeback claims cost Paypal more cash than legitimately sought after question, so I don't censure them for booting clients who initially gripe to their Mastercard organization.)

Additionally, as in any question, there's never an assurance they'll see it your route, so obviously it is constantly conceivable to unjustifiably lose a debate where you have a honest to goodness protest about a merchant. In any case, Paypal regularly assumes the best about to purchasers, at any rate the individuals who take after their strategies and don't mishandle debate priviliges. So begin with eBay/Paypal and seek after your debate with the merchant as per eBay's guidelines.

Look at this page compressing eBay's Buyer Protection plan:http://pages.ebay.com/help/strategies/...rotection.html

Know about that 45 day due date. The clock begins the day you paid and not when the merchant transported or when you got the thing. On the off chance that you start a debate 46 days after you paid, will lose your question with eBay on those grounds alone. A few venders have been known to lead purchasers on with fake guarantees until the point that the due date slips, so don't give that a chance to happen.

The primary thing to do once you know you have an issue is email the vender. Do this lone through eBay, so eBay can perceive any email traded. Go to eBay's page and sign in under My eBay, and discover the sale and Contact the merchant through the eBay comfort. Give it a couple of days. On the off chance that the dealer doesn't react, pull the merchant's telephone number from eBay and call them:http://pages.ebay.com/help/purchase/conta...tml#requesting

Affirm any discussion through eBay's email framework once more.

In case you're not content with how things will resolve the issue (and watch the due date clock deliberately), NOW open a question with Paypal. Typically, once you check the crate that says you have attempted to determine your question with vender and wish to raise and get a choice from Paypal, Paypal will settle on a choice on the debate inside maybe a couple days.

Simply after there is no fruitful change given there should you consider doing a Visa chargeback. I additionally don't suggest bothering your charge card organization over a little sum, for example, $7.12. Eat those little misfortunes and credit them to involvement. You believe it's "the purpose of the thing?" Well the purpose of the thing is not to cost a cluster of other individuals a pack of time (levels with cash) over insignificant question. Spare your fire for the huge ones.

A few different focuses. A few dealers add to their closeout postings dialect, for example, "In the event that you don't pay me additional for discretionary protection, my duty closes when I send." BZZZZT! Apologies, Skippy, not the extent that eBay and Paypal are concerned. Merchants are 100% in charge of getting the thing to the purchaser in the condition recorded. There's an adage on eBay: protection is for the insurance of the dealer (not the purchaser). Venders who need to safeguard their things for harm should pay for it. They can approach the purchaser to pay for protection, yet in the event that the purchaser passes and uses Paypal and pays with charge card, the merchant typically conveys the danger of delivery harm and misfortune. Furthermore, protection will typically not cover misfortune because of inadequately pressed things; indeed, that is the primary thing the transporter will look at for to weasel of paying off a protection assert. Numerous novice venders pack delicate things imprudently - think portable hearing assistants in a manila envelope. Merchants accept the hazard when they do that, regardless of the possibility that they pay for protection.

Additionally, ordinarily, on the off chance that you win a Paypal debate identified with a thing which is "essentially not as depicted," you should restore the thing dispatched to you to the merchant before Paypal will restore your cash to you. This must regularly be done at your own cost, so be watchful about purchasing overwhelming things where the cost of delivery may make an arrival restrictive - unquestionably more valid for coolers than of amplifiers. On the off chance that you restore a thing in a Paypal debate, you should pay for and acquire Delivery Confirmation, and when the thing arrives, it would be wise to get through that the conveyance is affirmed. Else you may not recover your cash from Paypal.

xbulder im searching for siemens fitting programming

anyone got a connection?

pvc Originally Posted by FrastNH

@PVC, what do you mean by "The USB Hi-Pro proportional"? I thought there is just a single brand of USB Hi-Pro which is the GN Otometrics.Thanks

Here's some more data. Snap - > HERE.

FrastNH @PVC, what do you mean by "The USB Hi-Pro identical"? I thought there is just a single brand of USB Hi-Pro which is the GN Otometrics.Thanks

pvc This is an endeavor to clarify Mastercard chargeback rights. It's genuinely clear on the off chance that you are a purchaser as it were. However, in the event that you purchase and offer then it’s more convoluted. As a matter of first importance this applies to the United States (USA) as it were. Different nations may (or may not) have comparative insurance.

In the event that you purchase online you ought to consider securing yourself by utilizing Mastercard chargeback rights. What are Visa chargeback rights? They are given to you by state and government law. More or less on the off chance that you don’t get what you paid for, at that point you can document a question asking the charge card organization to recover your cash. Simply Google (Visa chargeback rights) for more point by point data. Try not to be reluctant to utilize those rights.

Try not to put your trust in PayPal ensures. Comprehend and put your trust in Visa chargeback rights given to you by state and government law. Guarantee that a PayPal installment is 100% supported by means of a charge card and not by means of PayPal adjust, and not through your saving money account. You will lose your Mastercard chargeback rights with the last two financing strategies. In any case, this is not easy to do. You're subsidizing decisions will be troublesome and constrained by PayPal in the event that you purchase and offer with the same PayPal account.

I utilize isolate represents purchasing and pitching to get around the PayPal constraints on financing. I keep isolate email/Ebay/PayPal accounts, and, with a specific end goal to keep the email isolated for numerous records I utilize a Pop3 customer (Thunderbird) to naturally gather email from different email accounts. You should be cautious which account you logon with before purchasing, offering or notwithstanding reacting to email. I have turned out to be utilized to it.

Goodness, PayPal likewise has a dollar restriction. You can just purchase a couple of thousand worth on a charge card without interfacing with your saving money account. So notwithstanding different records, you once in a while must be set up to supplant your purchaser account with new email/Ebay/PayPal accounts. In addition you can't re-utilize a similar Visa number so you will likewise require another Visa, or your spouse’s charge card.

In the event that you pick not to have isolate accounts then PayPal will make your life hopeless until the point that you associate PayPal to your keeping money account. Also, there goes your Visa chargeback rights out the window. Be careful with PayPal supplanting those rights with PayPal debate techniques in light of the fact that there are some who know how to "diversion" the PayPal question methodology. This is not a tirade against PayPal. It's quite recently genuine.

One last tip about recording a debate with your charge card organization. My Visa organization requires that the stock is come back to the merchant with affirmation. In any case, just for certain debate reasons. On the off chance that the question reason is (Not happy with the stock) at that point return shipment is not an essential to recovering your cash. I generally pick (Not happy with the stock) just in the event that the merchant tries to “game” the debate methods by declining to acknowledge return shipment.

pvc USB Hi-Pro:

The USB Hi-Pro (equal) is accessible on EBay and on Ebay-Singapore. Look EBay for (Hi-Pro USB). The going value now is $650. It changes relying upon EBay merchant rivalry. I paid around $600 for mine on EBay (to be more particular $580 on EBay Singapore, I think). They are somewhat less expensive on EBay-Singapore however remember that you will be charged a Visa charge for paying in a remote money.

These work simply like the first Hi-Pro. No driver required for USB. I customized (Oticon Epoqs, Oticon Agils, Phonak Audeo Vs, and ReSound Live 9s). No issues at all with my trusty Hi-Pro.

You may discover a Hi-Pro for $200 - $300. However, at that value it is likely a serial Hi-Pro, not USB. Which implies you will have perfectly issues since present day PCs never again have serial ports. Keeping in mind the end goal to maintain a strategic distance from similarity issues with serial-to-USB-connectors you might need to add a serial port to your PC in an exhaust PCI card opening. Look EBay for (serial port pci). See this post for more data. I would prescribe spending additional cash to purchase the USB Hi-Pro.Programming Cables:

You ought to get comfortable with these two sorts of links;

Standard CS44 Programming Cable (same as Oticon Programming Cable #3)

Phonak CS44A Programming Cable (same as CS44 aside from wires for pins 3 & 4 are exchanged)

I acquired Oticon Programming Cable #3 for under $20 yet that was fortunate. The going sensible cost is $60 to $90. In spite of the fact that you might be cited $140 or more for a couple. You can attempt the Hi-Pro sellers, in addition to seek EBay frequently and look Craigslist across the country utilizing Craiglook. Ask ppl who offer hardware. On the off chance that you can't get CS44A links for Phonak you may get standard CS44 links and fabricate the Phonak Converters from console expansion links. Snap - > HERE.

Some portable amplifiers require extra gear notwithstanding links.

Oticon Agils require Flexconnects. Snap - > HERE.

Oticon Epoqs require programming shoes/boots. Snap - > HERE.

Resonate Live 9s require programming shoes/boots. Snap - > HERE.Phonak iCube:

The iCube is difficult to get! Despite the fact that you may luck out. Pursuit EBay regularly and seek Craigslist across the nation utilizing Craiglook. The going cost is $300 to $400.

Now and then they are accessible at an online webpage. However, the history is that on-line deals to general society are closed down. They don't last. Particularly in the event that you say the site here in an open discussion.

Remember that the iCube is less adaptable than the Hi-Pro. You can just program Phonak listening devices with the iCube. You can't overhaul the amplifier firmware with iCube. I have seen portable amplifiers stall out in an un-programmable state (presumably from detaching before consummation). This required utilization of the Hi-Pro to get them unstuck.

Alert: If you plan to purchase from online sources (and particularly EBay/PayPal) find out about Mastercard chargeback rights via looking this gathering (or read the following post). Alert: What you may believe is accessible to you (links, boots, fitting programming, and so forth.) once in a while have a method for getting to be noticeably inaccessible when you are prepared to arrange. So consider to what you arrange to start with, the portable amplifiers, or the programming hardware.

Good fortunes. This is not a correct science. The gear is difficult to get. You may get charged premium costs. However, the more you do this the simpler it gets.

pvc It was an expect $100. I don't know whether it had any links (none envisioned)? Be that as it may, you can utilize a standard Mini USB set up of the Phonak USB link, so it truly doesn't make a difference about missing links. The USB association additionally charges the iCube battery, so you're ready with a standard Mini USB link.

sichejo I get it was another instance of, "I didn't get around to expelling the promotion".

pvc Originally Posted by sichejo

I found an advertisement for an I-Cube on craigslist. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/1821705584.html

Not any longer. He officially sold it.

sichejo I found an advertisement for an I-Cube on craigslist. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/1821705584.html

pvc Originally Posted by auggy

I utilize the America Hears ha. I like the way that you can change them yourself. Nothing is impeccable nonetheless. The entire circumstance with fitting is as yet a matter of luckiness.

I like self programming real brands (for instance Oticon and Phonak). The more you do it the more fortunes you have.

auggy I utilize the America Hears ha. I like the way that you can change them yourself. Nothing is immaculate be that as it may. The entire circumstance with fitting is as yet a matter of good fortune.

pvc Originally Posted by stream2525

Where would i be able to discover a mnaul for usgin the iPFG 2.6?

Take a gander at the free eCourses at AudiologyOnline; Click here - > LINK

You need to make a record to partake. Be that as it may, it's free. You simply don't get the training credits for a free record.

Likewise utilize the Help, Cable Guide, and so forth, highlights in the product.

Gracious, and read the Fitting Guide. Snap here - > LINK

stream2525 Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Phonak has iPFG 2.6 out at this point. Prescribed System Requirements

Processor: Pentium IV, 2 GHz or quicker, RAM: 2 GB RAM or more,

Free hard plate space: 1 GB or more,

OS: Windows 7 (32, 64 bit) Windows XP Professional SP2/SP3, Serial COM port for HI-PRO (can be supplanted by a USB - > Serial COM port connector),

One USB Port for each utilized unit: Bluetooth connector for NOAHlink/iCube, iCube (if through USB), HI-PRO USB, myPilot/iCom

NOAHlink delicate and firmware: Latest form accessible

iPFG does not bolster NOAH 2. Since there is no help and confirmation of NOAH 2 fitting modules by HIMSA any longer.

iPFG underpins the NOAH 3 and NOAH 3.6 perfect working frameworks:

Windows 7, Windows XP (SP2/SP3), Windows Vista (SP1), Windows 2000 (SP4). (Windows 7 and Vista likewise 64 bit)

Where would i be able to discover a mnaul for usgin the iPFG 2.6?

Darek [QUOTE=Geodancer;35993]

Initially Posted by allowingtoo

Phonak has iPFG 2.6 out at this point.

What is new in 2.6?

Audeo ZIP

Geodancer [QUOTE=allowingtoo;35723]Phonak has iPFG 2.6 out at this point.

What is new in 2.6?

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Phonak has iPFG 2.6 out at this point.

Much obliged a2!

allowingtoo Phonak has iPFG 2.6 out at this point. Prescribed System Requirements

Processor: Pentium IV, 2 GHz or quicker, RAM: 2 GB RAM or more,

Free hard circle space: 1 GB or more,

OS: Windows 7 (32, 64 bit) Windows XP Professional SP2/SP3, Serial COM port for HI-PRO (can be supplanted by a USB - > Serial COM port connector),

One USB Port for each utilized unit: Bluetooth connector for NOAHlink/iCube, iCube (if by means of USB), HI-PRO USB, myPilot/iCom

NOAHlink delicate and firmware: Latest rendition accessible iPFG does not bolster NOAH 2. Since there is no help and accreditation of NOAH 2 fitting modules by HIMSA any longer.

iPFG underpins the NOAH 3 and NOAH 3.6 good working frameworks:

Windows 7, Windows XP (SP2/SP3), Windows Vista (SP1), Windows 2000 (SP4). (Windows 7 and Vista additionally 64 bit)

xbulder Originally Posted by RoseRodent

Does anybody have a refreshed connection for Siemens? They have taken their product download off this webpage, not certain if that implies they are pulling it from dissemination for sure, however legitimately on the off chance that despite everything anybody has a duplicate that they downloaded when it was on open download they may even now circulate that duplicate to any individual who requests it, so does anybody have it? I am screwed over thanks to Siemens helps and an audiologist who won't extra an opportunity to program them legitimately and no other audiologist will take a shot at them in view of what they are. So I will need to go for either home programming or new amplifiers, whichever is the less expensive long haul arrangement, and home programming looks much more inclined to work out well on the off chance that we look to whatever is left of my life.

they had quite a while back a connection yet they haul it out!

RoseRodent Does anybody have a refreshed connection for Siemens? They have taken their product download off this webpage, not certain if that implies they are pulling it from course for sure, however legitimately on the off chance that regardless anybody has a duplicate that they downloaded when it was on open download they may in any case appropriate that duplicate to any individual who requests it, so does anybody have it? I am screwed over thanks to Siemens helps and an audiologist who won't extra an opportunity to program them appropriately and no other audiologist will take a shot at them on account of what they are. So I will need to go for either home programming or new portable amplifiers, whichever is the less expensive long haul arrangement, and home programming looks much more inclined to work out well on the off chance that we look to whatever remains of my life.

pvc Originally Posted by Walter

Cost of costly amplifiers, at that point purchase a HiPro, links, and so on and after that still have similarity issues? Frustrating!!!!!!! Appears like a hard street to scraper to me.

Yes, this is difficult! Additionally, you are probably going to experience more than what's coming to you of predators amid the equipment buys.

Ensure yourself against predators with Visa charge-back rights. For every exchange dependably know about the PayPal subsidizing source (PayPal-adjust, financial balance, Visa) since utilizing the initial two subsidizing sources will make you lose your Visa charge-back rights. You may need to utilize two PayPal accounts (one for getting, one for offering) so as to pick up control over exchange financing sources.

Then again, achievement can be extremely fulfilling in the wake of acquiring first class hardware.

Roughly $3000-$4000 reserve funds on first arrangement of Aids/HiPro.

Roughly $4000-$5000 reserve funds on resulting set.

Walter Cost of costly listening devices, at that point purchase a HiPro, links, and so on and afterward still have similarity issues? Frustrating!!!!!!! Appears like a hard street to scraper to me.

pvc Originally Posted by meir

Everything's fine aside from that I was anticipating perusing the data and settings the Audi modified and expand on that, this does not appear to work.

It appears like the aventa 2.7 programming empowers to peruse the guide simply after it has been modified in that session

Anyway, it's to late at this point

In the event that anybody knows about the settings and is sufficiently caring to help I can post the one page Aventa printout, everything is in default at the present time (obviously I set the audiogram)

Meir

So if that is the way it works at that point if the Audi loses your database record then he/she needs to begin once again? I don't know Aventa however that doesn't appear to be correct.

meir Everything's fine with the exception of that I was anticipating perusing the data and settings the Audi modified and expand on that, this does not appear to work.

It appears like the aventa 2.7 programming empowers to peruse the guide simply after it has been modified in that session

Anyway, it's to late at this point

In the event that anybody knows about the settings and is sufficiently caring to help I can post the one page Aventa printout, everything is in default at the present time (obviously I set the audiogram)

Meir

pvc I trust that the CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check) mistake implies that the product has distinguished error(s) in EEPROM (programming memory).

Since the product had quite recently wrapped up the left and right serial numbers that would mean, yes the HIs are turned on, and yes it is a similar sort Epoq XW as simply recognized, and yes the links were associated. The batteries are new.

So I trust that one of the HIs has a programming memory mistake. How might I demonstrate it? I ran a one ear fitting with simply the correct HI. No mistakes. I ran a one ear fitting with simply the left HI. I got the CRC blunder on EEPROM.

For good measure I put the left HI on the right/red link/programming shoe. Note that the right/red link/programming shoe was simply part of an effective test with the correct HI. In the first place the product advised me that the HI had been already fitted on the other ear. At that point subsequent to continuing I got the CRC mistake on EEPROM.

This demonstrates to me that the left HI is imperfect and that it not an issue with the link/programming shoe.

pvc I have keep running into an issue. I can identify the HIs. It peruses the serial numbers. When I get to a stage that requirements to peruse data (for instance Hearing Instruments/Connect Instruments) I get blazing Hi-Pro right/left lights, at that point Hi-Pro left light glimmering for more (perhaps 30 seconds) and after that this Communications Error:

allowingtoo iCube, NOAHlink and additionally HI-PRO interface

My awful I think? Did I read that too quick? {{{Stamping foot}}}Somebody offer me an iCube! I do recolored glass professionally - will deal

pvc Originally Posted by xbulder

nearcom is mounted on top of noahlink and can interface with program the HI through bluetooth

(just oticon)

Or, then again for this situation, Only nearcom can talk remote to your HAs. Noahlink won't talk straightforwardly to your HAs.

xbulder Originally Posted by pvc

Noahlink (I accept) won't interface remote to your HAs. Just iCube (which is not accessible) can talk remote to your HAs.

nearcom is mounted on top of noahlink and can interface with program the HI through bluetooth

(just oticon)

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Is there any valid reason why i wouldn't need a NoahLink? Links from Singapore versus no links?

Noahlink (I accept) won't interface remote to your HAs. Just iCube (which is not accessible) can talk remote to your HAs.

allowingtoo Why wouldn't I need a NoahLink? Links from Singapore versus no links?

pvc The shoes depicted underneath for Epoq/Vigo are taken/gone...

Any self-software engineer searching for a couple of programming shoes for Oticon (both sorts, for Epoq/Vigo, or for Sumo)? The shoes underneath are for Epoq/Vigo. In the event that you have a past filled with gathering postings that show which side you're on, at that point email me. In the event that no such history exists at that point post here saying you need these with the goal that I may trust you are true.

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

I knew the $100+ CS44 links were required for the guides - I didn't know whether I would require (costly) extra links for the iCom and the myPilot. The Phonak site did not have any data on the programming links on the frill. Presently I'm quite recently attempting to locate a less expensive link source....

I didn't read your post precisely enough, sad.

pvc Originally Posted by digerati09

What did all of you need to do to pay a small amount of the cost for the new guides?

EBay.com is the thing that I did. Here's a connection.

digerati09 What did all of you need to do to pay a small amount of the cost for the new guides?

pvc Originally Posted by jchunter

A "part" of an unbelievable cost is as yet absurd.

I sort of did likewise (Oticon Epoq XWs for $2K rather than $6K). We as a whole need to do what we believe is best to get around the outrageous costs.

jchunter Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Well - really - I didn't. I just paid a small amount of the cost of the Phonak's *new* cost. So I can bear to rampage spend and purchase the Noahlink or the Hi-Pro and program my own particular listening devices to my own fulfillment.

A "part" of an unbelievable cost is as yet absurd.

pvc The Hi-Pro value you specified is beneath showcase esteem so It's most likely the old serial Hi-Pro with similarity issues. I think you ought to get the USB Hi-Pro. You needn't bother with Noahlink. Simply run iPfg independent. I would purchase the links first since it may not be so natural to do as such. At that point purchase the Hi=Pro.

kretsh Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Well - really - I didn't. I just paid a small amount of the cost of the Phonak's *new* cost. So I can bear to go overboard and purchase the Noahlink or the Hi-Pro and program my own particular portable amplifiers to my own fulfillment.

That is the approach.

allowingtoo The just edification that I can offer is that, IMHO, any individual who has paid Phonak's unbelievable costs for amplifiers

Well - really - I didn't. I just paid a small amount of the cost of the Phonak's *new* cost. So I can stand to overdo it and purchase the Noahlink or the Hi-Pro and program my own particular amplifiers to my own fulfillment.

lurking Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Alright - so I pulled the catch and purchased the Phonak Audeo Yes. I need to purchase the iCom and the myPilot isolate at some point later on when I can manage the cost of it.

Rather than purchasing the Hi-Pro to program these will I need to purchase isolate links for each? (I don't know - will I require that??) would I be in an ideal situation purchasing a NoahLink or attempting to find an iCube? I've had a go at Googling iCube costs however without any result. The Noahlink is accessible on eBay for $649. Also, an utilized Hi Pro on eBay is without links for $399. Links for simply the guides appear to keep running about $109. In the event that I need to have a link for the iCom and after that a link for the myPilot I'm supposing it may bode well to go bluetooth out front and lose the links and wear and tear.

Would anybody be able to edify me on this? I attempted to find it on the Phonak site about links for programming however they didn't have any data on this.

Shockingly, phonak has evacuated the icube for general buy. You should discover an audi willing to buy one for you

allowingtoo I knew the $100+ CS44 links were required for the guides - I didn't know whether I would require (costly) extra links for the iCom and the myPilot. The Phonak site did not have any data on the programming links on the adornments. Presently I'm quite recently attempting to locate a less expensive link source....

jchunter Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Alright - so I pulled the catch and purchased the Phonak Audeo Yes. I need to purchase the iCom and the myPilot isolate at some point later on when I can manage the cost of it. ...

Would anybody be able to edify me on this? I attempted to find it on the Phonak site about links for programming however they didn't have any data on this.

The main illumination that I can offer is that, IMHO, any individual who has paid Phonak's absurd costs for portable hearing assistants (without the changing programming) ought to acknowledge at this point the vanity of paying up another little fortune for the gear (e.g., basic serial connectors and links) and unsupported altering programming. "Unsupported" implies that no one will settle the product bugs! In the event that you think the product has no bugs, I have a pleasant scaffold available to be purchased.

You are multiplying down on a terrible hand!

The consistent option, which will cost less over the long haul, is to purchase new listening devices from one of a few organizations that incorporate the connectors, links, and bolstered programming, alongside guideline manuals. I am aware of three such providers, which have been talked about commonly on this discussion: HearSource.com, AmericaHears.com, and USNewSound.com

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Well - definitely - I DID as of now or I wouldn't be here asking it. I'm but rather fair that.

So you definitely knew definitely knew the CS-44-An aables were required for Audio Yes??? At that point I don't comprehend why you said

Initially Posted by allowingtoo

I attempted to find it on the Phonak site about links for programming yet they didn't have any data on this.

kretsh You won't require an extraordinary link on the off chance that you the iCube it takes Bluetooth or small scale USB.

You WILL require links in the event that you will utilize the Hi-Pro or the NoahLink. These last two take similar links.

allowingtoo Thank you kretsh THAT answers my question(s)

allowingtoo Look in the Professional area for data. I don't have room schedule-wise to answer all your different inquiries.

Well - better believe it - I DID as of now or I wouldn't be here asking it. I'm but rather light that.

kretsh The iCom and MyPilot utilize standard smaller than expected USB links. On the off chance that you have a PC, you most likely as of now have them.

pvc Originally Posted by allowingtoo

Alright - so I pulled the catch and purchased the Phonak Audeo Yes. I need to purchase the iCom and the myPilot isolate at some point later on when I can manage the cost of it.

Rather than purchasing the Hi-Pro to program these will I need to purchase isolate links for each? (I don't know - will I require that??) would I be in an ideal situation purchasing a NoahLink or attempting to find an iCube? I've had a go at Googling iCube costs yet without much of any result. The Noahlink is accessible on eBay for $649. Also, an utilized Hi Pro on eBay is without links for $399. Links for simply the guides appear to keep running about $109. On the off chance that I need to have a link for the iCom and after that a link for the myPilot I'm supposing it may bode well to go bluetooth out front and lose the links and wear and tear.

Would anybody be able to edify me on this? I attempted to find it on the Phonak site about links for programming however they didn't have any data on this.

Look in the Professional segment for data. I don't have room schedule-wise to answer all your different inquiries.

allowingtoo OK - so I pulled the catch and purchased the Phonak Audeo Yes. I need to purchase the iCom and the myPilot isolate at some point later on when I can bear the cost of it.

Rather than purchasing the Hi-Pro to program these will I need to purchase isolate links for each? (I don't know - will I require that??) would I be in an ideal situation purchasing a NoahLink or attempting to find an iCube? I've taken a stab at Googling iCube costs however without much of any result. The Noahlink is accessible on eBay for $649. What's more, an utilized Hi Pro on eBay is without links for $399. Links for simply the guides appear to keep running about $109. In the event that I need to have a link for the iCom and after that a link for the myPilot I'm supposing it may bode well to go bluetooth out front and lose the links and wear and tear.

Would anybody be able to edify me on this? I attempted to find it on the Phonak site about links for programming yet they didn't have any data on this.

alpine1 I feel like we're purchasing drugs in the city corner, LOL

There ain't no road corners in the boonies

that don't stop em though...lol

JohnC Originally Posted by rich_l

No that feels very unique. Kindly don't ask me how I know.

I wouldn't know. My merchant makes house calls.

rich_l Originally Posted by pvc

I feel like we're purchasing drugs in the city corner, LOL

No that feels very unique. Kindly don't ask me how I know.

pvc I feel like we're purchasing drugs in the city corner, LOL

alpine1 No, yet I could utilize programing links for Unitron LAttitude

Initially Posted by pvc

Does anybody require a couple of programming shoes for Oticon Sumo?

email me in the event that you do.

pvc duplicate remark in a future post

pvc Thank you X.

xbulder Originally Posted by pvc

Look in the expert segment under items. At that point tap the item you are occupied with, at that point click Downloads to access numerous PDF records.

Yes, you require the shoe. The programming link interfaces with the shoe, not to the amplifier.

So does anybody know whether the Sumo/Epoq/Vigo programming shoes are the same?

epoq vigo utilize the same adaptopr

sumo xp, dm and quick 120 utilize another

pvc Originally Posted by pvc

So does anybody know whether the Sumo/Epoq/Vigo programming shoes are the same?

I speculate >not< in light of the fact that Sumo is not some portion of the RISE Platform (Dual, Epoq, Vigo, and Hit).

alpine1 Thank you. Web here is moderate today...me too

Initially Posted by pvc

Look in the expert segment under items. At that point tap the item you are keen on, at that point click Downloads to access numerous PDF records.

Yes, you require the shoe. The programming link associates with the shoe, not to the listening device.

So does anybody know whether the Sumo/Epoq/Vigo programming shoes are the same?

pvc Originally Posted by alpine1

Tribute to have the capacity to look the Oticon site and discover this data effectively myself

Another idiotic inquiry at that point! On the off chance that one were utilizing a HiPro do despite everything you require the shoe?

Look in the expert area under items. At that point tap the item you are occupied with, at that point click Downloads to access numerous PDF records.

Yes, you require the shoe. The programming link interfaces with the shoe, not to the listening device.

So does anybody know whether the Sumo/Epoq/Vigo programming shoes are the same?

alpine1 Ode to have the capacity to seek the Oticon site and discover this information effectively myself

Another moronic inquiry at that point! In the event that one were utilizing a HiPro do despite everything you require the shoe?

Initially Posted by pvc

The documentation for Vigo Connect and Epoq have all the earmarks of being a similar programming shoes (see underneath). I can locate no such documentation for Sumo.

pvc Originally Posted by alpine1

Will it fit the Vigo associate arrangement too?

The documentation for Vigo Connect and Epoq seem, by all accounts, to be a similar programming shoes (see beneath). I can locate no such documentation for Sumo.

alpine1 Originally Posted by pvc

Are these the same (or different)?Oticon programming shoes to fit Oticon EpoqOticon programming shoes to fit Oticon Sumo

I wish to know whether a similar shoe will fit both items.

Will it fit the Vigo associate arrangement also?

pvc Are these the same (or different)?Oticon programming shoes to fit Oticon EpoqOticon programming shoes to fit Oticon Sumo

I wish to know whether a similar shoe will fit both items.

Antipode Originally Posted by notjohndavid

I trust I ddn't commit an error here. I just purchased a NOAHLink on ebay. are the links for the Hi-Pro and NOAHLink diverse?

On the off chance that so I am getting it is less demanding to discover Hi-Pro cables.... On the off chance that they aren't diverse then I figure I settled on the correct decision

The main contrast is short links made for the noah interface. Other than the lenght they are the same.

pvc There is a fitting aide in the Professional area for Vigo Connect:

EnglishDispenser The Moxi and Savia do.

alpine1 Does every producer utilize an alternate link for programing?

Oticon Connect Pro

Unitron Lattitude Moxi

Phonak Micro Savia 100dsz

Do any of the 3 specified above utilize similar links?

notjohndavid Originally Posted by kretsh

They are similar links.

much obliged for the fast reaction. that positively improves me feel

kretsh They utilize a similar programing links.

notjohndavid I trust I ddn't commit an error here. I just purchased a NOAHLink on ebay. are the links for the Hi-Pro and NOAHLink diverse?

On the off chance that so I am getting it is simpler to discover Hi-Pro cables.... In the event that they aren't diverse then I figure I settled on the correct decision

Raudrive Concerning the more established or obsolete Hi Pros, the free downloads for the Hi Pro are accessible at GN Otometrics. You would then be able to go to the "Howdy Pro Configuration" in that download and set your Hi Pro up for your application and get all Hi Pro updates consequently.

I utilize this "Hello there Pro Configuration" each time the Hi Pro is begun preceding programming helps. With my tablet this is fundamental for the serial/USB connector setup.

Lancaster Originally Posted by ed121

I think some about the early model serial HiPro's won't work with the a portion of the most recent model guides.

Urban myth, in view of genuine perceptions.

A portion of the early serial Hi-Pro's urgently require firmware refreshes. Many fitting programming can do that, however not naturally. You need to click yourself through the menus.

aero777 Originally Posted by notjohndavid

where would i be able to purchase links? i asked my audiologist and she has no enthusiasm for offering help for me to program my own. would it be a good idea for me to discover another audiologist?

I have no involvement with Widex yet I have requested different links from Here. The connection doesn’t go specifically to the links; in the light blue box tap on Programming Equipment , then tap on picture with Hearing guide Programming Cables.They don't stock them, they must be requested so it takes two or three weeks to get them. Exceptionally fair vender with great (abit moderate) correspondence.

I have a USB HiPro, it's little and bounty quick; simply a question of a couple of moments to send changes to HA's.

In the event that will be out of nation, particularly in the event that it were somewhere similar to the Middle East, you will require the capacity to self program. Good luck.

shan Originally Posted by ed121

I don't know but rather I think some about the early model serial HiPro's won't work with the a portion of the most recent model guides. Ed

Ed, where did you hear that?

There are 2 distinct plans of serial hello there experts?

Raudrive Originally Posted by ed121

I don't know but rather I think some about the early model serial HiPro's won't work with the a portion of the most recent model guides. Ed

Right now I program the Naida V SP helps with the serial Hi Pro. Possibly others can as well.

ed121 HiPro's with USB work OK with USB prepared PC's. The NoahLink utilizes a USB BlueTooth interface and is significantly speedier. Both carry out the occupation however the NoahLink costs significantly more.

Other than the speed distinction the NoahLink is battery fueled and the patient can move around without tying wires. For minimal effort self programming the USB HiPro is flawlessly satisfactory.

I don't know but rather I think some about the early model serial HiPro's won't work with the a portion of the most recent model guides. Ed

pvc Where to get links continues changing for me.

notjohndavid hello everybody.

I'm new to the discussion. simply got my widex mind 440 guide.

i have uni-laterial hearing misfortune and have been to my audiologist around 8 times since i got my guide. they are for little modifications and i disclose to her precisely what i need her to change and by the amount (i have a sound and hardware foundation so i am certain this makes me super fastidious).

to exacerbate the situation i work out of the nation. my workplace has bunches of foundation clamor and i don't know how the guide will function in this condition. i with the exception of that i will require more changes. (i'll be out of the nation for at least 4 months once i come back to work).

huge long foundation there.

i have the widex compass programming. i accept it's the full form. the main way i can inspire it to run is to keep running in recreation in which case it says "compass demo". i'd prefer not to purchase anything and it not work...

this leads me to my inquiry.

where would i be able to purchase links? i asked my audiologist and she has no enthusiasm for offering help for me to program my own. would it be advisable for me to discover another audiologist?

will the hello there star work? is there any weakness to it finished the NOAHlink?

i see loads of howdy geniuses for offer on ebay. i've just observed a NOAHlink once and didn't think i needed it at the time.

anyway. hi everybody. magnificent gathering :- )

alpine1 not to my ears

Initially Posted by jchunter

LOL, what is missing is the ridiculous cost!

jchunter Originally Posted by alpine1

I have tried Siemens Pure Oticon Connect and America Hears helps.

Disliked the Siemens. The AH helps are pleasant and would work for me BUT there is by all accounts something lacking contrasted with Vigo Connect(and other top end models I'd presume).

LOL, what is missing is the incredible cost!

alpine1 Originally Posted by xbulder

auto master - 2, datalogging, envirotough, and so forth and so forth

Adro was grasp by phonak @ one point in time, as of now none of the huge players utilizes adro - I have not seen any papers saying adro is superior to WDRC or something else...

In the event that you survey a large portion of the prof. here, they would prob. concur in that most HI from beat organizations would perform better against AH .

Maybe we have to survey the audis, His here

I have tried Siemens Pure Oticon Connect and America Hears helps.

Disliked the Siemens. The AH helps are pleasant and would work for me BUT there is by all accounts something lacking contrasted with Vigo Connect(and other top end models I'd presume).

ed121 Re: ADRO versus WDRC.

Which is better relies on upon the kind of misfortune. On the off chance that the patient has heaps of enrollment (which quite often goes with extreme/significant misfortunes) the ADRO is recently too ease back to deal with the employment. WDRC can actualize a quick slant descending in only a couple of milliseconds. ADRO should gradually drop the level. (Read the Dynamic Corp. specialized announcement)

Yes ADRO helps have some sort of MPO yet at high peaky levels they mutilate.

ADRO is awesome for gentle/direct uncomplicated misfortunes. In any case, the guides don't have the adaptability to fit a wide range of misfortunes as the WDRC can. Ed

Leike I downloaded the Connexx 6.2 programming and introduced it on my Desktop PC.

Notwithstanding, with no HA provider database the product is pointless.

In this way, is there somebody who has a duplicate of the Siemens HA database for Connexx 6.2

xbulder Originally Posted by Leike

@roberthamden

At programming witness is says :

We don't have a download interface yet, yet you can discover it utilizing Google. On the off chance that you know the download interface, you can submit it to impart it to different clients.

I found the product at long last at :http://www.hearing-am.com/_brand/am-...g-software.jsp

However as yet searching for the Siemens database ...

i attempted this long time prior

furthermore, it doesn't work

easyrider Which form do I utilize? What is the secret key to download the product?

I have a Hi-Pro. Do I have to call them to get the secret key?

Much appreciated!

Bill

- "I asked why the Frisbee was getting greater, and after that it hit me."

Leike @roberthamden

At programming witness is says :

We don't have a download interface yet, yet you can discover it utilizing Google. On the off chance that you know the download connect, you can submit it to impart it to different clients.

I found the product at last at :http://www.hearing-am.com/_brand/am-...g-software.jsp

However as yet searching for the Siemens database ...

roberthamden I did a google for Connexx 6.2http://software.informer.com/getfree...exx-6-introduce/

Leike I'm searching for the Siemens Manufactures Instrument Database for Connexx 6.2. Anybody ?

Leike Juergen,

The connection to the Siemens Connexx programming is broken. Do you have a working connection ?

xbulder Originally Posted by akfo7

Do you know what amount does the NOAHlink of Phonak costs ?

noahlink is not maf. from phonak

GN otometrics manf both Noahlink and Hi ace

akfo7 Originally Posted by paul10r

Phonak's site likewise has its fitting programming accessible for nothing downloading.

Do you know what amount does the NOAHlink of Phonak costs ?

pvc Originally Posted by Antipode

The Unitron Passport is one of their top end:http://www.unitron.com/professionals...t-features.htm

I realize that Unitron has incredible items, however I can't contrast them with AH on the grounds that I don't have involvement with AH.

The issue with Unitron is that they (sucessfully) conceal their fitting programming. You can download Unifit. You can't download U:fit. Fugeddaboud Unitron!

Initially Posted by Antipode

There is a USB and COM port form of the hipro. The USB is the quickest and least difficult to set up and utilize. In the event that you get the Com port variant and you don't have a com port on your PC you will require a usb to com port connector from some place like newegg.com.

Likewise, in the event that you utilize a com port connector on a double center PC, you should incidentally cripple one center to program.

Why trouble yourself with similarity issues? Look here at this post.

Initially Posted by Antipode

Another choice is to get a phonak or Unitron item. They both have a remote programming gadget for their remote good guides. The issue would be acquiring the remote software engineer, however in the event that you could discover a source it would presumably be somewhat less than a Hi-Pro, and quicker. You do require a bluetooth connector for it to interface with the PC, however these are shabby and agian, you can get them at a place like newegg or most other PC stores.

You're continuing on pointlessly. Grumblings from the crying audis have been heard by Fourneck and Fourneck listened well.

Initially Posted by Antipode

Also, to answer another inquiry I saw... You needn't bother with Noah to utilize any makers programming (aside from Starkey). You can introduce them as "independent"

correctamundo!

Antipode The Unitron Passport is one of their top end:http://www.unitron.com/professionals...t-features.htm

I realize that Unitron has extraordinary items, yet I can't contrast them with AH in light of the fact that I don't have involvement with AH.

There are Hi-Pro programming interfaces accessible on ebay at this moment. simply scan for hello professional portable amplifier. Barring listening device gives a group of games comes about blended in.

There is a USB and COM port rendition of the hipro. The USB is the quickest and easiest to set up and utilize. On the off chance that you get the Com port variant and you don't have a com port on your PC you will require a usb to com port connector from some place like newegg.com.

Likewise, in the event that you utilize a com port connector on a double center PC, you should incidentally debilitate one center to program.

Another choice is to get a phonak or Unitron item. They both have a remote programming gadget for their remote good guides. The issue would be acquiring the remote developer, however in the event that you could discover a source it would presumably be somewhat less than a Hi-Pro, and speedier. You do require a bluetooth connector for it to interface with the PC, yet these are shabby and agian, you can get them at a place like newegg or most other PC stores.

Fill me in regarding whether you require links, programming for a specific brand, or other related things, and perhaps I can offer assistance.

What's more, to answer another inquiry I saw... You needn't bother with Noah to utilize any producers programming (aside from Starkey). You can introduce them as "independent"

xbulder Originally Posted by aliakhtar

how would we perform discourse mapping?

btw who would i be able to sue for my anguish? my audiologist or starkey? is there any class activity at any point started because of these sufferings?

We are a minority 30%....

We require shoppers to request this no Speech mapping No deal...

pvc Originally Posted by aliakhtar

how would we perform discourse mapping?

Here's a connection to some information on Speech Mapping.

EnglishDispenser who would i be able to sue for my affliction? my audiologist or starkey? is there any class activity at any point started because of these sufferings?

Zero chance.

aliakhtar how do we perform discourse mapping?

btw who would i be able to sue for my anguish? my audiologist or starkey? is there any class activity at any point started because of these sufferings?

xbulder Originally Posted by EnglishDispenser

It's NOT pick up that you have to stress over ... it's MPO (Maximum Power Output).

One has units of dB and alternate has units of dB.SPL.

REM would just be useful to screen top/normal SPL yield.

genuine! (I admit to all error in the matter) MPO - yet in the event that run discourse mapping you could without much of a stretch check that MPO is really working. actually you do confirm that delicate, conf and uproarious sounds are inside

the dinamic go and that MPO don't surpass the UCL. This should be possible in 10 minutes with speechmapping.

EnglishDispenser It's NOT pick up that you have to stress over ... it's MPO (Maximum Power Output).

One has units of dB and alternate has units of dB.SPL.

REM would just be useful to screen crest/normal SPL yield.

xbulder Originally Posted by aliakhtar

there are fitting algorithms....they connected berger (which is for simple client) to me which has no pressure is connected either

so in simple setting portable amplifier intensifies everything....in advanced setting it enhances what is truly needed....

the calculation figures how much pick up you require in every recurrence and climate to apply any pressure. a client who had been utilizing simple guides like me have troublesome time acclimating to settings connected by advanced calculation (NAL something is one).

in any case, I understand that pointlessly applying pick up that I don't need may just expand the rate of deteriotion of my staying hearing. So I need to apply negligible pick up that I simply require.

Maybe other experienced clients can clarify this better. This is my comprehension of computerized versus simple.

the best way to know whether you are getting TO MUCH pick up is utilizing REM or Speech mapping..

there is no other approach to truly know....

this is the reason rem is child critical

aliakhtar there are fitting algorithms....they connected berger (which is for simple client) to me which has no pressure is connected either

so in simple setting portable amplifier opens up everything....in computerized setting it increases what is truly needed....

the calculation computes how much pick up you require in every recurrence and climate to apply any pressure. a client who had been utilizing simple guides like me have troublesome time changing in accordance with settings connected by computerized calculation (NAL something is one).

however, I understand that pointlessly applying pick up that I don't need may just build the rate of deteriotion of my staying hearing. So I need to apply negligible pick up that I simply require.

Maybe other experienced clients can clarify this better. This is my comprehension of advanced versus simple.

frogg Originally Posted by aliakhtar

I am considering composing letter to starkey….this truly sucks different sellers offer their product uninhibitedly on the web then why can’t I get yours, I paid for these guides what great are its elements in the event that I can’t utilize them? My audiologist is as yet putting me on simple calculation and I might want to attempt advanced to see aid’s genuine potential. My audiologist is truly difficult to get as she is serving three areas and when I get her it is for 30 minutes in office setting where I can’t potentially recognize what setting I am getting out with. I need to have the capacity to switch forward and backward with advanced and simple projects until the point that I completely adjust to computerized. In my office I will utilize simple so I can work appropriately there and in home I will utilize advanced to rehearse. I can’t get this much audiologist’s consideration so I should have the capacity to program myself. Either please give me a discount to my guide so I can purchase a guide that I would have the capacity to reinvent myself as I had gone through almost a year with them and still not happy with them or supply me programming.

Likewise at first my audiologist put me on truly uproarious settings which made injury me…my discourse understanding has declined to 48 % from 72% in a year…I trust my audiologist is not capable with stakey programming and therefore I might want to take this control and oversee small scale deal with my misfortune.

Do you think this letter would work with them?

I don't think you will get anything out of Starkey aside from perhaps to encourage you to discover another audi. Particularly in the event that you reveal to them you have been "damaged" by your guides. Producers need an additional cushion of the audi to shield them from obligation, one of the variables making them hesitant to permit the purchaser coordinate control. Coincidentally, how do your guides change from simple to advanced (and the other way around)?

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BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>30</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>30</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>18-May-96</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">80% @ 45</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>8-Apr-99</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>62.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>67.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">68% @ 55</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>16-Oct-01</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">72 .5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">60% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>9-Mar-04</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">76% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>26-Oct-04</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">64% @ 60</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>13-Jan-05</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>100</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">60% @ 50</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>4-Jan-07</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">60% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>11-Jun-07</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">36% @ 80 / 40% @ 90</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>18-Jan-08</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">52% @ 85</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>13-Aug-08</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">56% @ 85</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>10-Mar-09</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>72.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">40% @ 85</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>R</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>30-Jul-09</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">32% @ 80</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
aliakhtar <TABLE style="WIDTH: 533pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=711><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 53pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2596" width=71><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" span=9 width=64><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20 width=64>Side</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 53pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=71></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>250</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>500</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>1000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>2000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>3000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>4000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>6000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64 align=right>8000</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=64>Understanding</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>13-Dec-94</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>35</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>5-Jan-95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>52.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>20-Apr-95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>18-May-96</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>45</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>62.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">84% @ 45</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>8-Apr-99</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">72% @ 60</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>16-Oct-01</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>67.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">64% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>9-Mar-04</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>67.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>80</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">48% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>26-Oct-04</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>62.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>67.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">72% @60</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>13-Jan-05</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>75</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">80% @ 50</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>4-Jan-07</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>100</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">68% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>11-Jun-07</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>55</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>85</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">40% @ 80 / 64% @ 90</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>18-Jan-08</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; 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BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">40% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>13-Aug-08</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; 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BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>10-Mar-09</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>62.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>60</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>72.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>72.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>77.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>100</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>95</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">68% @ 80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>L</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 align=right>30-Jul-09</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" align=right>65</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; 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BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">48% @ 80</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
aliakhtar I am considering composing letter to starkey….this truly sucks different merchants offer their product uninhibitedly on the web then why can’t I get yours, I paid for these guides what great are its components in the event that I can’t utilize them? My audiologist is as yet putting me on simple calculation and I might want to attempt computerized to see aid’s genuine potential. My audiologist is truly difficult to get as she is serving three areas and when I get her it is for 30 minutes in office setting where I can’t perhaps recognize what setting I am getting out with. I need to have the capacity to switch forward and backward with advanced and simple projects until the point when I completely adjust to computerized. In my office I will utilize simple so I can work appropriately there and in home I will utilize computerized to hone. I can’t get this much audiologist’s consideration so I should have the capacity to program myself. Either please give me a discount to my guide so I can purchase a guide that I would have the capacity to reconstruct myself as I had gone through almost a year with them and still not happy with them or supply me programming.

Additionally at first my audiologist put me on truly noisy settings which made injury me…my discourse understanding has declined to 48 % from 72% in a year…I trust my audiologist is not skilled with stakey programming and thus I might want to take this control and oversee small scale deal with my misfortune.

Do you think this letter would work with them?

xbulder Originally Posted by ed121

Bit baffled by NoahLink of Phonak.

The NoahLink is a bit of equipment that together with a BlueTooth interface associates the guide to a PC. Phonak is a mfg of helps.

On the off chance that you are alluding to Phonak software....good luckiness. It is not effortlessly accessible. Attempt an inviting audiologist or allocator. Ed

there is no noahlink for phonak

Serch this refer to, phonak delicate is av. to download over the web...

It is a smart thought to get the Ezurio connector

ed121 Bit baffled by NoahLink of Phonak.

The NoahLink is a bit of equipment that together with a BlueTooth interface associates the guide to a PC. Phonak is a mfg of helps.

On the off chance that you are alluding to Phonak software....good good fortune. It is not effectively accessible. Attempt a neighborly audiologist or gadget. Ed

akfo7 I am hoping to purchase the NOAHlink of phonak. Does anybody know what amount does this cost and from where would i be able to purchase this ?

xbulder Originally Posted by aliakhtar

I would likewise profit with this....actually there is move OS 4.0 out as well....I find that starkey has disguised its product segment from open dissimilar to different merchants.

starkey data is elusive...

they ought to be more open

aliakhtar I would likewise profit with this....actually there is rouse OS 4.0 out as well....I find that starkey has covered its product area from open dissimilar to different merchants.

Cityhunter Anyone can give the product to starkey 3.0?

lansolut Hi Jurgen,

Would you be able to supply CS63 Cables?

fsolanes Thanks for the answer danielchin, It shows up the connection to the connexx is broken, would you be able to repast it please.

I discovered one place that had the Connexx 6.2 however was feeling the loss of the "Siemens Manufactures Instrument Database" so it didn't list any hearing instruments when propelled..

Normandy I have been wearing listening devices from HearSource for about a year now and they gave me the product, programming pack and even individual help when I required it. Don't know whether their gear will work with other brands.www.hearsource.com

danielchin Originally Posted by fsolanes

Hi everybody

I'm new to this shape and the new glad proprietor of Siemens Pure 300's with the TEK remote.

I'm wonderfully shocked at the measure of informations on this discussion, I do have a thing to ask.

Where if wherever would I be able to get a duplicate of the Connexx programming to program my TEK remote and HA's? Is that what I require or is there something else I ought to be searching for?

Much obliged to all of you ahead of time for your answers.

Adjacent to the product, you will require to get the correct link and Hi-Pro to program your portable hearing assistants. You may get the Hi-ace herehttp://cgi.ebay.com.sg/New-USB-Hi-Pr...d=p3286.c0.m14

The connexx programming at herehttp://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

The CS44 link at herehttp://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI....BUCI%26otn%3D4

Good fortunes to your self-programming.

fsolanes Hello everybody

I'm new to this shape and the new glad proprietor of Siemens Pure 300's with the TEK remote.

I'm agreeably astonished at the measure of informations on this gathering, I do have a thing to ask.

Where if wherever would I be able to get a duplicate of the Connexx programming to program my TEK remote and HA's? Is that what I require or is there something else I ought to be searching for?

Much obliged to all of you ahead of time for your answers.

shan It appears the most clear result of talking about access to programming and equipment (icube) on discussions, is the danger of having the get to taken away. Phonak likely had many protests from distributors.

For the decently tech savy HOH to have the capacity to survey programming and possibilities of a guides movability appears to be so sensible and to some degree falls in accordance with the endeavor by the business to have end clients feel some level of control. (trainable portable amplifier)

matteobrandt EnglishDispenser,

It relies on upon how this product is being bought.

In the event that everybody can download and use for example the product iPFG 2.4 from Phonak's legitimate site with no key or serial number and in the disclaimer which flies out amid the establishment technique is no note that expressly just enrolled audiologists are qualified for utilize the product, at that point it is not unlawful to utilize the product for HoH individuals to modify their own particular listening devices.

I feel that we ought not talk about unobtrusive, potential juridical issues that preferably unnerve individuals than illuminate them with no solid contention close by. I surmise that is the duty of the website admin of this gathering to instruct on what kind with respect to discourses they wish to have and which ones they need to boycott. On the off chance that you feel awkward then you may compose an email to the website admin and direct him toward this issue since I'm certain that he is exceptionally very much educated about the legitimate side of running a discussion of this gauge and that he would act accodringly for the case that something is wrong.

EnglishDispenser Hmm .. I don't know that it's a smart thought to utilize this gathering to examine potentially unlawful utilization of programming.

Because you can locate an arrangement of programming on the web does NOT imply that you have a legitimate permit to utilize it.

This site takes into account the entire of the HOH people group, not only the modest bunch of 'self software engineers'.

It would a disgrace for this site to have legitimate issues as a result of this product "issue" ...

danielchin Originally Posted by audiosmalls

I can send you whatever product you need, it won't be any great to you unless you have a hello there expert box and the proper links for your listening devices. Fill me in regarding whether despite everything you need programming

I have customer searching for programming for Starkey Destiny CIC, Starkey predetermination 1200, Starkey S11 and Oticon Digifocus behind ear when obtaining the USB Hi-ace from me. Will you have the capacity to give the product to both Starkey and Oitcon?

xbulder Originally Posted by Leia

Here's a little thing about Genie, I haven't seen the exceptionally most recent variant with Dual instruments however. To see everything what one can change about pick up with Vigo and Epoq, click little bolts around the increase number boxes. With Delta, extend the screen by tapping the third box down on the left when on a fitting screen.

Kind respects,

Leia

the new producst (rise stage items) are programed utilizing the Genie 2007, 200u8 or 2009 relying upon what you have. the more established items (inheritance) you utilize the genie 9 (i think) which is an alternate programming.

One thing the genie 2009 needs is the CR.... the old genie 9 you had the alternative to see the whole CR's. Starkey, had a pleasant graphical perspective of the CR

with little bars... I truly like this...

shan Originally Posted by Leia

Here's a little thing about Genie, I haven't seen the exceptionally most recent variant with Dual instruments however. To see everything what one can change about pick up with Vigo and Epoq, click little bolts around the increase number boxes. With Delta, extend the screen by tapping the third box down on the left when on a fitting screen.

Kind respects,

Leia

Most programming have those choices. They are called a wide range of names. You need to discover the symbol that places you into the more propelled screen, and still, after all that you need to discover the symbol that switches through or goes to the maximum choices. In most programming you can change defaults in instrument bar (inclinations) and get the more propelled alternatives, without seeking each page. A decent part of programming accompanies the defaults set to the least complex fitting choices.

Leia Here's a little thing about Genie, I haven't seen the extremely most recent adaptation with Dual instruments however. To see everything what one can change about pick up with Vigo and Epoq, click little bolts around the increase number boxes. With Delta, grow the screen by tapping the third box down on the left when on a fitting screen.

Kind respects,

Leia

Juergen I added the connection to my outline of programming for hearing aidshttp://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=3408

pax576 jmorgis in the event that you have the genie programming don't hold out on us! If it's not too much trouble share the connection. Juergen would then be able to add it to his gathered rundown.

You will require a Hipro box and CS44 links and Cs53 flex strips. Every one of these things take awesome perseverance to secure. Look at a portion of alternate strings on self programming on this site.

jmorgis I have discovered the connection to the most recent Genie 2009 programming and downloaded it...What else do i have to self program? I have the most recent Duals fro Oticon..

JM

Juergen Originally Posted by audiosmalls

I can send you whatever product you need, it won't be any great to you unless you have a hello there master box and the fitting links for your portable amplifiers. Fill me in as to whether despite everything you need programming

You are correct,

obviously every one needs the equipment likewise, in the event that he needs to do the programming.

The Idea is to make an entire rundown of free programming for everybody.

I will include each connection I get at the highest point of this threat.http://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=3408

A great many people are happy on the off chance that they can perceive what is conceivable with the product and than they can examine with there audiologist.

Some will do the programming by them self.

Sorry if my wording is not the best, I'm from Germany

audiosmalls I can send you whatever product you need, it won't be any great to you unless you have a hey professional box and the proper links for your portable amplifiers. Fill me in regarding whether despite everything you need programming

danielchin Resound programming at http://www.gnresound.com/software.html

pax576 Jürgen-

Would you be able to clarify a little about this connection you specified for acquiring links? I expect these are customizing links like the CS44, and so on which interface the HiPro to the HI? My German is totally appalling!

https://ssl.kundenserver.de/revear-s...ld&shop_param=[/url]

hippeaux Originally Posted by Juergen

Unitronhttp://www.unitronhearing.us/ccus/pr...wnloads_us.htm

Himsa Update NoahLinkhttp://german.himsa.com/Download/NOA...E/Default.aspx

Widex compasshttp://www.widexpro.com/wps/entryway/!...NUElVMjAwMTc!/

americahearshttp://www.americahears.com/programming/setup.exe

Phonak IPFG 2.4http://www.phonak.com/proficient/p...&PrivateLabel=

In the event that you require a link than you will get what you ask for:https://ssl.kundenserver.de/revear-s...ld&shop_param=

include a few welcome from "Jürgen"

Exceptionally pleasant, Juergen - much obliged.

Too terrible Oticon's Genie fitting programming isn't as promptly accessible as these others.

Juergen You will locate my genuine connection list here:http://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?t=3408

Neilk Thank you Juergen. Furthermore, yes, I could introduce the iPFG2.3 program and see the greater part of the alternatives accessible at any rate. So I inspired my audi when I gave her the correct strides to get into turn on the Last Number Redial and Voice Dialing components of the iCom ... also, they both work splendidly I may state. I have my own LG VX8300 and my organization Moto W385, our 24 hour technical support telephone, both 2 to 3 years of age, that both work impeccably with both elements now that they are empowered.

With respect to rolling out improvements, I'm substance to let my audi handle them as she most likely is aware increasingly what she's doing there. I'm upbeat to perceive what should be possible so I can examine it more astutely with her. Likewise, if I somehow managed to begin rolling out improvements, what she had on record would not coordinate what transforms I made and would likely gum up the entire works.

jchunter Originally Posted by Juergen

...I'm pondering where the genuine equipment monstrosities are to plan an independent developer

Here is the USB determination (the PC end) - a straightforward piece serial interface. DSP chips (typically) likewise have somewhat serial interface. The issue is that the correct interface specs are not promptly accessible (in any event I have not possessed the capacity to discover them on the web). I expect that Phonak, et al., don't need anybody to find that the "software engineer" is only a straightforward (shoddy) serial converter with the goal that they can charge over the top costs for it (e.g., $400) and constrain you to be subject to your audiologist.

Note that the more profound conventions for the interface must be taken care of by the programming that keeps running in your PC. This convention needs to precisely coordinate that of the DSP, keeping in mind the end goal to legitimately change the listening device. Off base information could truly foul it up.

Juergen Originally Posted by Neilk

Juergen, Thank you for that connection. I'm downloading it now. I need to ponder ... what's more, figure I'll discover when it's set a few hours or so from now ... does it run remain solitary, or does it require that NOAH (is it?) program with it? On the off chance that it needs NOAH just to look in at the settings accessible, where does one get that from???

You will have the capacity to reenact the Hipro so you can see every one of the settings that are accessible for your amplifier gadget.

Since I utilize the German Settings I don't know the Key words you will see.

Run iPFG

go to design (Settings?)/Communication and switch of the "on line enactment "

May be there is a moment determination

go to Hearing framework and deselect "on line initiation"

Presently you will have the capacity to mimic everything except for obviously on the off chance that you need to do the programming you will require the equipment.

I'm pondering where the genuine equipment monstrosities are to plan an independent software engineer

Juergen http://www.widexpro.com/wps/entrance/!...NUElVMjAwMTc!/

Leia I have discovered mpo (most extreme power yield) really decent to confine uproarious voices. I have Phonak microSavia 100 dSZ and mpo extremely down, and I can't hear contortion about it. These sound incredible.

Kind respects,

Leia

hippeaux The least expensive I've seen the iCube is $350. While I'd love to get one, I don't know whether I could legitimize the cost...

leky Originally Posted by Neilk

Gee ... I would state I found that it can be introduced and run remain solitary. So NOAH itself is not expected to perceive what alternatives are accessible to set ... also, I now have two or three new inquiries for my audi. It's a disgrace however that you can't perceive what your guides are set at without the Hi-Pro box or the iCube. The principal keeps running about $1,000USD, the other can be had just shy of $400USD from what I can discover. In any case, notwithstanding spending another $400 is not feasible right now. Furthermore, I think you would in any case require the USB links to interface the MyPilot and iCom to get their blending and whatever.

You can get the icube less expensive than that, and it comes with a USB link if necessary, in any case it is bluetooth empowered and furthermore (mine did at any rate) accompanies a bluetooth usb dongle in the occasion your PC doesn't have bluetooth. I haven't utilized the icube yet as I have loaner portable amplifiers as mine were sent back to Phonak to deal with the my pilot issues.

ed121 Re: ADRO as predominant innovation: No. It is not prevalent... it is basically another method for dealing with the issue of sounds being too boisterous for comfort. Most by far of the mfg's and gadgets incline toward the WDRC technique for giving uproarious sounds. Here is the reason.

For all intents and purposes 100% of the people enduring the greater part of the basic types of hearing misfortune additionally endure some level of enrollment. That is, boisterous sounds contort and cause distress. (lessened dynamic range)

The ADRO framework is intended to (gradually is an immediate quote from the Dynamic Hearing proficient direction manual.) change additions to deal with boisterous sounds (and too delicate sounds). Ordinarily picks up change at the rate of 3db/second up to 9db/second. This rate is unreasonably ease back to control the noisy transient sounds experienced in regular day to day existence. So ADRO depends on a standard MPO (Maximum Power Output) circuit to get the quick boisterous drifters. MPO circuits create mutilation specifically relative to the measure of decrease required.....in embodiment MPO's are din scissors. They don't make a decent showing with regards to when pushed too far.

This means ADRO is an incredible framework for those with gentle to direct misfortune with at least enlistment. It is not reasonable for some of those with direct misfortune and the majority of the extreme/significant misfortunes on account of the standard going with enlistment.

WDRC helps handle uproarious drifters by a few techniques. The quick and moderate pressure circuit (syllabic+dual) with movable knee point, regularly some type of sound smoothing in the pre amp stages and as final resort a most extreme yield limiter. WDRC helps can be exceptionally adaptable and can be changed in accordance with work palatably with a wide assortment of misfortune sorts. (syllabic=1 to 3 milliseconds....dual= .3 to 1 second)

For those with heaps of enrollment WDRC is the approach. Ed

Neilk Originally Posted by hippeaux

Neil, it looks just as we do require NOAH That's the awful news.

The uplifting news is we can get it here:http://www.himsa.com/Download/tabid/...S/default.aspx

The best news is that it would appear that the NOAHLink programming is incorporated and introduced with the iPFG programming.

Gee ... I would state I found that it can be introduced and run remain solitary. So NOAH itself is not expected to perceive what alternatives are accessible to set ... what's more, I now have a few new inquiries for my audi. It's a disgrace however that you can't perceive what your guides are set at without the Hi-Pro box or the iCube. The primary keeps running about $1,000USD, the other can be had just shy of $400USD from what I can discover. Be that as it may, notwithstanding spending another $400 is not feasible right now. What's more, I think you would at present need the USB links to interface the MyPilot and iCom to get their blending and whatever.

hippeaux Neil, it looks just as we do require NOAH That's the awful news.

The uplifting news is we can get it here:http://www.himsa.com/Download/tabid/...S/default.aspx

The best news is that it would appear that the NOAHLink programming is incorporated and introduced with the iPFG programming.

Neilk Originally Posted by Juergen

Here it is:http://www.phonak.com/proficient/p...&PrivateLabel=

Juergen, Thank you for that connection. I'm downloading it now. I need to ponder ... furthermore, figure I'll discover when it's set a few hours or so from now ... does it run remain solitary, or does it require that NOAH (is it?) program with it? On the off chance that it needs NOAH just to look in at the settings accessible, where does one get that from???

zafdor Originally Posted by xbulder

this examination paper is by all accounts inserts...

Oh no, you're correct, that is the wrong one. It could be this one:http://tia.sagepub.com/cgi/content/unique/9/2/77

Difficult to advise without having the capacity to peruse the entire paper; I read an examination where ADRO beat WDRC at any rate for the conditions put forward. On the off chance that one of the enormous young men (phonak, siemens...) turned out with a calculation that way beat everybody elses instruments, you can wager they would be circling ponders that show it. I think what we have is a tight steed race all around, with a few clients having better fortunes with a few instruments and others having fortunes with others. I'd rather have a crappy instument fit by a genuine fitting master, at that point a first class instrument fit by a hack, that is the point many miss I think.

'Best in class' is a useless term, a superior inquiry is improves? I really wanted to see you incorporated the Siemens immaculate as being one that you say beats the AH instruments. I happen to see there was a 58 post string appropriate here on this instrument being inadmissible! Try not to be tricked by chimes and wistles, let enhanced hearing be the metric instruments are judged by.

Dick Any innovation is on a par with who is utilizing it. The more I find out about listening devices, the more I am starting to think modifying them is one more instance of ''If you need it done well, do it your self.'' A more established innovation you have changed in accordance with where it works might be superior to mal balanced best in class.

I am getting to be mal balanced over the Siemens Cielos I have had adusted no less than twelve time, despite everything they open up each piercing commotion and overwhelm voice.

Gale Originally Posted by xbulder

I would concur in that AH would be a feasible choice for a few. Be that as it may, im not certain for instance Admin would tend to think they are front line...

In a field where most organizations are attempting to concoct inovating thoughts,

Asimetric directionality, Wireless arrangements, Integrated genuine ear estimation, Frequency transposition, recurrence compresion, just to give some examples tecnologies what have AH recommend that is front line

what have they done to propel the field?

On the off chance that you would prefer not to utilize front line when discussing that is OK however in light of research it is bolstered that the ADRO innovation is favored by listening device clients. On the off chance that you would google ADRO innovation you will locate a few bits of information on the initial 10 pages google finds. On the off chance that you will read about the times of R&D ADRO you may call it driving edge as well. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&p...y&start=0&sa=N

xbulder link to unitron softwarehttp://www.unitronhearing.us/ccus/pr...wnloads_us.htm

xbulder Originally Posted by zafdor

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569103

Presently you have!

By and by I don't perceive how you would get a correlation from experts on AH since none of they fit these instruments. It is my experience that a given fitter (office) will have the guide into him by one of the huge young men (Phonak, Siemens...) and fit their instuments principally. This bodes well in light of the fact that with the many-sided quality of a given instrument, it is hard to wind up plainly a "specialist" fitting many sorts and brands.

With respect to the greater part of the fancy odds and ends, I figure I would offer the conversation starter back to you. Would you be able to site target inquire about that these accommodate better hearing?

this exploration paper is by all accounts inserts.. Maybe they are refering to the

medel maestro.... once more, frosty hard reality none grasp adro in the business.

On the off chance that adro was the most elite, would it bode well most manf would have grasp it quite recently like DSL or NAL?

Once more, it will be intriguing to survey the profesionals on the off chance that they think

Ok have front line tecnology. Just to think about those guides, with say

Phonak exelia, Unitron Yuu, Oticon Epoq, GN sky blue, Widex mind 440, Starkey predetermination 1600.

I would concur in that AH would be a suitable choice for a few. Be that as it may, im not certain for instance Admin would tend to think they are front line...

In a field where most organizations are attempting to concoct inovating thoughts,

Asimetric directionality, Wireless arrangements, Integrated genuine ear estimation, Frequency transposition, recurrence compresion, just to give some examples tecnologies what have AH recommend that is front line

what have they done to propel the field?

Once more, it will be decent to get the feeling for others prof.

Juergen Originally Posted by floridajoe

Much obliged to Gayle for the connection to AmericaHears programming. I downloaded and played with the demo and I like it!! I couldn't discover a download interface for Phonak or Unitron instruments, only some data that is exists. I have sent in a demand to check whether they will pitch to me and if it's cost feasable. No reason for me burning through $1,000 for programming despite the fact that I'm persuaded that the fitting is presumably more imperative than the innovation in the guide. On the off chance that anybody has a connection for other programming packagesd than I can audit, I'd be thankful.

Here it is:http://www.phonak.com/proficient/p...&PrivateLabel=

Juergen Originally Posted by floridajoe

Much obliged to Gayle for the connection to AmericaHears programming. I downloaded and played with the demo and I like it!! I couldn't discover a download connect for Phonak or Unitron instruments, only some data that is exists. I have sent in a demand to check whether they will pitch to me and if it's cost feasable. No reason for me burning through $1,000 for programming despite the fact that I'm persuaded that the fitting is presumably more essential than the innovation in the guide. On the off chance that anybody has a connection for other programming packagesd than I can survey, I'd be thankful.

Here is the connection to download Phonak lates software:http://www.phonak.com/proficient/p...&PrivateLabel=

Gale Originally Posted by zafdor

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569103

Presently you have!

By and by I don't perceive how you would get a correlation from experts on AH since none of they fit these instruments. It is my experience that a given fitter (office) will have the guide into him by one of the huge young men (Phonak, Siemens...) and fit their instuments essentially. This bodes well in light of the fact that with the many-sided quality of a given instrument, it is hard to end up noticeably a "specialist" fitting many sorts and brands.

With respect to the greater part of the fancy odds and ends, I figure I would offer the conversation starter back to you. Would you be able to site target investigate that these accommodate better hearing?

Much obliged for the connection. I put around 100 hours of research into ADRO covering its start in the lab to fundamental road and was inspired. As a client of ADRO innovation I am glad.

Xbulder the more seasoned innovation that you bolster is still fine innovation and might be favored by you. What I don't comprehend is your passionate/budgetary need to put forth unsupported expressions to others that are looking to just hear better?

People the primary concern is to locate an arrangement of helps that address your issues versus mark names or advances utilized. For my situation it was the nearby fitters that turned me off more than their more seasoned advances. Prosperity 2.5x more costly did not help their case.

I think AH could be fruitful offering the more established innovation however in the event that you take a gander at the experts who have joined with America Hears you will be awed that they are one of the main edge firms today from innovation to showcasing. They are only one of numerous decisions on the planet.

In the event that you are new here please perused BUT question all that you read since it might be false. In some cases we discover supporting our past purchasing choices more critical than giving target data to different perusers.

Lancaster Originally Posted by jchunter

They do guarantee that the 360 can rectify those with hearing misfortune up to 120dB (Profound Loss), despite the fact that the most extreme feasible pick up is just 82dB...

As you would like to think, for 120 dB hearing misfortune, one will require 120 dB pick up? You beyond any doubt don't comprehend what really matters to you

With "just 82 dB" pick up, the yield control positively achieves 140-145 dB SPL.

zafdor Originally Posted by xbulder

auto ace - 2, datalogging, envirotough, and so forth and so forth

Adro was grasp by phonak @ one point in time, right now none of the huge players utilizes adro - I have not seen any papers saying adro is superior to WDRC or something else...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569103

Presently you have!

Actually I don't perceive how you would get a correlation from experts on AH since none of they fit these instruments. It is my experience that a given fitter (office) will have the guide into him by one of the huge young men (Phonak, Siemens...) and fit their instuments principally. This bodes well on the grounds that with the intricacy of a given instrument, it is hard to end up plainly a "specialist" fitting many sorts and brands.

Concerning the majority of the fancy odds and ends, I figure I would suggest the conversation starter back to you. Would you be able to site target look into that these accommodate better hearing?

Gale Originally Posted by floridajoe

Much obliged to Gayle for the connection to AmericaHears programming. I downloaded and played with the demo and I like it!! I couldn't discover a download connect for Phonak or Unitron instruments, only some data that is exists. I have sent in a demand to check whether they will pitch to me and if it's cost feasable. No reason for me burning through $1,000 for programming despite the fact that I'm persuaded that the fitting is likely more imperative than the innovation in the guide. In the event that anybody has a connection for other programming packagesd than I can audit, I'd be thankful.

Joe I concur the fitting is more essential than the innovation since everything is very best in class contrasted with a couple of years back.

I believe AH's product/equipment software engineer is a $149 alternative yet it is recorded at www.americahears.com. They have a deal continuing for President's Days during the current month. The product and 60 days 100% discount in addition to sparing $3400 over other nearby computerized helps empowered me to attempt AH.

I observed them to be managers yet would have returned them in a heart beat if that had not been the situation. That would have been a $540 expense locally so attempting AH first was NOT advanced science.

floridajoe Many Thanks to Gayle for the connection to AmericaHears programming. I downloaded and played with the demo and I like it!! I couldn't discover a download interface for Phonak or Unitron instruments, only some information that is exists. I have sent in a demand to check whether they will pitch to me and if it's cost feasable. No reason for me burning through $1,000 for programming despite the fact that I'm persuaded that the fitting is most likely more essential than the innovation in the guide. On the off chance that anybody has a connection for other programming packagesd than I can audit, I'd be appreciative.

xbulder Originally Posted by jchunter

I did a short mind unitronghearing.us and discovered inadequate specialized data. They do assert that the 360 can remedy those with hearing misfortune up to 120dB (Profound Loss), despite the fact that the most extreme feasible pick up is just 82dB... Other than control, this 8-channel, 8-band unit guarantees the standard thing (1) Automatic control of directional mics (WDRC), (2) Loudness pressure, (3)Feedback control, and so on.. Here is a connection to a datasheet http://www.unitronhearing.us/360plus-bteseries.pdf

Primary concern: The 360 is by all accounts intended for those with significant hearing misfortune. OTOH, AH units that utilization the Voyageur II DSP have a yield dynamic scope of 88dB and AH does not suggest them for clients with significant hearing misfortune.

I concur with you that their cost is absurd - however precisely what did you mean about "better innovation" ? In particular, do you imply that their transistors are littler or quicker? Do you imply that WDRC is better than ADRO? Kindly clarify.

auto professional - 2, datalogging, envirotough, and so forth and so on

Adro was grasp by phonak @ one point in time, at present none of the huge players utilizes adro - I have not seen any papers saying adro is superior to WDRC or something else...

In the event that you survey the vast majority of the prof. here, they would prob. concur in that most HI from best organizations would perform better against AH .

Let's assume you where to contrast AH and Phonak Exelia, Siemens Pure, Oticon Epoq, GN Azure or Gn be, Starkey predetermination 1600, Widex Mind 440 , and so on...

Maybe we have to survey the audis, His here

jay_man2 Bells and shrieks, fancy odds and ends.

jchunter Originally Posted by xbulder

Unitron 360 - AH wish they have an instrument this way

Unitron YUU ...

I did a concise beware of unitronghearing.us and discovered meager specialized data. They do assert that the 360 can redress those with hearing misfortune up to 120dB (Profound Loss), in spite of the fact that the most extreme feasible pick up is just 82dB... Other than control, this 8-channel, 8-band unit guarantees the standard thing (1) Automatic control of directional mics (WDRC), (2) Loudness pressure, (3)Feedback control, and so forth.. Here is a connection to a datasheet http://www.unitronhearing.us/360plus-bteseries.pdf

Primary concern: The 360 is by all accounts intended for those with significant hearing misfortune. OTOH, AH units that utilization the Voyageur II DSP have a yield dynamic scope of 88dB and AH does not suggest them for clients with significant hearing misfortune.

Initially Posted by xbulder

..while they are expensive, they have far predominant innovation...

I concur with you that their cost is over the top - yet precisely what did you mean about "better innovation" ? In particular, do you imply that their transistors are littler or quicker? Do you imply that WDRC is better than ADRO? It would be ideal if you clarify.

xbulder Originally Posted by frogg

Will the AmericaHears programming work with, for instance, Oticon Syncro 2 CIC helps? Or, on the other hand is Oticon's Genie programming accessible to the shopper? I would love to have the capacity to change my guides, and the AH programming demo makes it seem entirely simple to do it.

the issue is you require a hipro to program Oticon HI,

which is exorbitant. The Sincros are program with the old (genie 8)

their new fit delicate (which unf. try not to program sincros) is very great

xbulder Originally Posted by jchunter

Alright, please name some unrivaled Unitron models and please give connects to the DSP information sheets. I might truly want to contrast them and America Hears.

Unitron 360 - AH wish they have an instrument this way

Unitron YUU

Ask any prof. in the discussion, Siemens, Oticon, Phonak and others have far unrivaled items...

Ok wish they have something like the Siemens Pure, Oticon Epoq, Phonak Exelia, GN be, simply to drop a couple of names

while they are expensive, they have far prevalent innovation...

paul10r Originally Posted by Gale

Due to the artifical high portable amplifier costs today those in Washington will be addessing listening device dissemination straightforwardly sooner than some desire.

You are considerably more confident about this than I am. I put in 24 years in law requirement, in this way, by nature, I am a skeptic.

Gale Originally Posted by frogg

Will the AmericaHears programming work with, for instance, Oticon Syncro 2 CIC helps? Or, on the other hand is Oticon's Genie programming accessible to the customer? I would love to have the capacity to change my guides, and the AH programming demo makes it seem quite simple to do it.

The AmericaHears.com programming was outlined by the organization behind the ADRO innovation (some now work at AH). Best case scenario it would have be helps in view of the ADRO innovation.

Anybody inspired by modifying their own guides needs to look at those elements as a component of your purchasing choice whenever you purchase.

Due to the artifical high listening device costs today those in Washington will be addessing portable amplifier circulation specifically sooner than some desire.

frogg Will the AmericaHears programming work with, for instance, Oticon Syncro 2 CIC helps? Or, on the other hand is Oticon's Genie programming accessible to the customer? I would love to have the capacity to change my guides, and the AH programming demo makes it seem truly simple to do it.

zafdor Wow, I am awed to see that a portion of the makers are making their product accessible for download. Does despite everything one need to buy NOAH to make it work?

Likewise Juergan you will locate the serial interface is not standard, audies utilize a piece of equipment called a HiPro to change over to the instrument interface. These are not accessible through retail ordinarily, but rather they do appear on eBay once in a while. What's more, dont overlook the link.

Gale Originally Posted by jchunter

Alright, please name some unrivaled Unitron models and please give connects to the DSP information sheets. I might truly want to contrast them and America Hears.

xbulder I too would be intrigued to know whether you have truths or simply making clamor.

jchunter Originally Posted by xbulder

cant contrast Unitron and America Hears, Unitron has far prevalent items...

i be that as it may, question Sonic In, Unitron or Magnatone would pitch HI to you.

Subsequently, AH would be possibly the best decision

Alright, please name some unrivaled Unitron models and please give connects to the DSP information sheets. I might truly want to contrast them and America Hears.

paul10r Phonak's site likewise has its fitting programming accessible for nothing downloading.

xbulder Originally Posted by Gale

This is the product I utilize. When you arrange the equipment interface it accompanies the code to initiate the product yet you can click pass the message that your guides are not associated so you can see every one of the elements of the fitting programming when you download and introduce. I observed it to be anything but difficult to utilize and did not see any bugs.http://www.americahears.com/programming/setup.exe

cant contrast Unitron and America Hears, Unitron has far unrivaled items...

i in any case, question Sonic In, Unitron or Magnatone would pitch HI to you.

Along these lines, AH would be perhaps the best decision

Gale This is the product I utilize. When you arrange the equipment interface it accompanies the code to actuate the product yet you can click pass the message that your guides are not associated so you can see every one of the components of the fitting programming when you download and introduce. I observed it to be anything but difficult to utilize and did not see any bugs.http://www.americahears.com/programming/setup.exe

xbulder unitron has a connection to download its software....

Sonic Inn and magnatone has their fitting programming allowed to download

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