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Standard Hearing Aid Efficacy Test ? Why isn't there one ?

2016-06-08 09:21:00 in Digital Hearing Aids by  glucas
It's extraordinary that Oticon have turned out with the Oticon Opn. The cases of 30% of better discourse understanding in commotion is welcome news.

In any case, they have dumped utilizing limited pillar directionality.

Presently, I am a straightforward customer who does what he is told - for the most part, by the proposal of the audiologists. Yet, I can't help be beset by the tests that seem to exhibit the viability of new guides. My worries are as per the following:

i) There is no standard test that gives off an impression of being utilized by every one of the makers. So how would we know one model is mediocre/better than another ?

ii) Where there are "effective" tests/examines, it is regularly connected with a commentary saying that it is just appropriate to state, the mellow/direct gathering, and not the direct/serious gathering. There was a case of this with the Siemens Binax.

iii) There is dependably a correlation of whether an amplifier is better than the past model - however no arrangement of information that exhibits adequacy of hearing in a specific situation - for instance - boisterous clamor at an eatery. 30% preferable discourse understanding over the past model means what precisely ???? what's more, for who ???? Shouldn't something be said about saying - this gadget can convey 70% comprehension with this level of misfortune. 30% of 0 understanding in the first place implies 0 understanding !!!!!

Presently - I am not saying I am whining. Indeed, I am a tad bit. I think following 15 years of survey the shiny showcasing leaflets, I am particularly pi**ed off when one noteworthy producer pivots and says that one key component (limit band usefulness), that was asserted to work, was an exercise in futility. I comprehend that R&D should be led, and that these exceptionally astute individuals should be paid. I additionally comprehend that there have been incredible steps.

Sorry for the rage.

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cvkemp I have the Alta Pros and they work superior to anything I have had earlier however my listening ability misfortune is in the voice freqencies run so despite everything I have heaps of inconvenience in commotion and seeing any one when more than one individual is talking anyplace around me. I may never get pass the issue yet beyond any doubt trust that somebody can make sense of how to enable me to hear discourse better

AdamsHouseCat [QUOTE=JustEd;139305]Then again the past model that they tried it against could have been a pointless heap of junk and 30% better still stinks.- - Updated -

They assert the 30% change to be in contrast with their own Alta2 Pro.

pinnaColada Originally Posted by glucas

It's extraordinary that Oticon have turned out with the Oticon Opn. The cases of 30% of better discourse understanding in clamor is welcome news.

I took a gander at the Oticon Opn site and found that they have new bleeding edge innovation, for example,

Cerebrum hearing (tm),

Discourse Guard E,

Free Focus,

YouMatic,

IFTT arrange,

OpenSound Navigator (tm)

SpacialSound (tm)

TwinLink (tm)

Velox (tm)

It appears that there is a popular expression and trademark rivalry. I think about whether it is truly forefront innovation or simply bleeding edge promoting buildup. I downloaded some of their leaflets and there is little data outside of pap for the customer.- - Updated -

glucas Well, I think the FDA are for the most part worried about patient security - in the field of medication endorsement, that is. I don't know why they would be worried about portable amplifier adequacy, unless there was extortion included.

It's entirely discouraging truly, on the grounds that false expectations are incited. One surely understood pharmaceutical faultfinder in the UK (Ben Goldacre) brought up a great deal of concentrates that are distributed in the pharma world, are just done as such, on the off chance that they uncover great outcomes. The ones that are negative are regularly just not distributed, but rather stay vital regardless for logical research.

Obviously, we (buyers) are comfortable end of the great chain, so we don't get anything. By and by in the event that I was an audiologist/allocator, I would be ready to fight at a portion of the cases made by the business. I am certain there are some on here that are now similar to that.

JustEd Originally Posted by seb

Sounds like what it is a promoting ploy. Contact Oticon and request a duplicate of the examination that demonstrates that the guide offers 30% better discourse comprehension and check whether they will send it to you. My figure is they won't. Even better, contact the FDA and check whether they have done examinations on the new HA to check whether it matches Oticons assert.

On the other hand the past model that they tried it against could have been a pointless heap of junk and 30% better still stinks.- - Updated -

Initially Posted by seb

Sounds like what it is an advertising ploy. Contact Oticon and request a duplicate of the investigation that demonstrates that the guide offers 30% better discourse comprehension and check whether they will send it to you. My figure is they won't. Even better, contact the FDA and check whether they have done examinations on the new HA to check whether it matches Oticons assert.

Of course the past model that they tried it against could have been a pointless heap of junk and 30% better still stinks.

KenP Manufacturers' trying is done in little gatherings that are a controlled example. You may well consider the subsequent conclusions inevitable.

seb Originally Posted by glucas

It's incredible that Oticon have turned out with the Oticon Opn. The cases of 30% of better discourse understanding in clamor is welcome news.

Be that as it may, they have discarded utilizing thin bar directionality.

Presently, I am a straightforward customer who does what he is told - for the most part, by the suggestion of the audiologists. Yet, I can't help be grieved by the tests that seem to show the viability of new guides. My worries are as per the following:

i) There is no standard test that has all the earmarks of being utilized by every one of the producers. So how would we know one model is sub-par/better than another ?

ii) Where there are "effective" tests/contemplates, it is regularly connected with a reference saying that it is just appropriate to state, the gentle/direct gathering, and not the direct/serious gathering. There was a case of this with the Siemens Binax.

iii) There is dependably an examination of whether an amplifier is better than the past model - however no arrangement of information that shows adequacy of hearing in a specific situation - for instance - noisy commotion at an eatery. 30% preferable discourse understanding over the past model means what precisely ???? also, for who ???? Shouldn't something be said about saying - this gadget can convey 70% comprehension with this level of misfortune. 30% of 0 understanding in the first place implies 0 understanding !!!!!

Presently - I am not saying I am griping. Indeed, I am a smidgen. I think following 15 years of review the shiny promoting handouts, I am particularly pi**ed off when one noteworthy producer pivots and says that one essential component (limit band usefulness), that was guaranteed to work, was an exercise in futility. I comprehend that R&D should be directed, and that these extremely astute individuals should be paid. I additionally comprehend that there have been awesome steps.

Sorry for the rage.

Sounds like what it is a promoting ploy. Contact Oticon and request a duplicate of the examination that demonstrates that the guide offers 30% better discourse comprehension and check whether they will send it to you. My figure is they won't. Even better, contact the FDA and check whether they have done examinations on the new HA to check whether it matches Oticons guarantee.

cvkemp It would be incredible if the 30% discourse change is right. The majority of my listening ability issues are in the discourse recurrence extend. I have issues with discourse in a tranquil domain a great deal less in a loud one.

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